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2013-10-12 02:23:51 AM
jojostan: NFA: He would deserve a Nobel Peace prize IF...
 
1) When the country defaults, he declares a state of emergency
2) He arrests half the Republican party and publicly tries them for treason.


That would be more deserving of the Nobel Prize for Economics


( actually called the The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel , the title use an economy of words )
 
2013-10-12 03:09:37 AM

Farxist Marxist: Marcus Aurelius: fusillade762: Should have given it to Putin.

/ducks

I was thinking that same thought earlier today.

Can you imagine Putin with a Nobel Peace Prize?  Jesus.

I thought it was changed to Lesus yesterday. It's challenging to keep up with all the change in the church these days.

Putin would probably refuse the NPP becuz Obama has one. Irrespective of that hypothesis, the craftily-timed intersession of Putin into the Syrian "crisis" created an escape-hatch for Obama, who misjudged American antipathy for yet another incursion into the Arab world. Putin was perceived as the peacemaker, and Obama suffered another foreign policy black eye.


Not sure if serious...Obama, from almost any perspective outside the US, has had outstanding foreign policy success. Particularly when compared to the bully-boy, dick waving, self aggrandization of the previous administration.
 
2013-10-12 03:11:08 AM

Daniels: Koalaesq: NewWorldDan: TalenLee: Barack Obama turns up promising to stop those wars and step down the militarism, and gets elected. That is, Barack Obama, just by getting elected, expressed the ability of a nation that had been in a state of non-stop war for a near-decade to stop, to stabilise, and maybe stop being such a gigantic asshole to the rest of the world

That is a view that can only be described as willfully ignorant of Barack Obama and what he stands for. And what he stands for is... nothing. And this was entirely apparent during the campaign. He offered up populist platitudes about what a lot of people wanted to hear. But the US political machinery being the broken system that it is, his primary and general election opponents were 2 people that no one really wanted, so he speaks to the youth about hope and change and they fall for it. But I'm terribly disappointed in the Nobel committee for being so gullible.

Given the history of the peace prize, I shouldn't be so surprised. I would be surprised if the committee were dumb enough to give another award to the guy who uses murder drones to execute "bad guys" without any sort of trial or oversight, after failing to close Gitmo, for sustaining the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for illegally waging war in Libya, and for trying to start another war in Syria. Anyone who thinks this guy should be considered for a second peace prize needs to get their head examined. This clown belongs in jail with Bush and Cheney. Hell, the last US president who wasn't a crook was Carter, and he was just a joke.

...Do you and I occupy the same planet?

If it's the one in which the president extra-judicially murdered two citizens without arrest or trial and everyone's sorta cool with it because arresting them would have been too hard..... yup.

Anyone who thinks that wouldn't have been (rightly) considered an impeachable offense by house Democrats under a Republican president is either being willfully ignorant or is plain clueles ...


W-wait, do you think the US presidents have never done that before, up until now?

Um, wow. That's... hee. Well, okay! Yeah, the first time you hear about stuff like this it's super disturbing.
 
2013-10-12 03:14:32 AM
Well isn't that just so precious?

I wonder when we will submit our stockpile for international monitoring.
We could at least stop developing new stains of bio-beasties.

We won't even sign the landmine treaty.
We still use depleted uranium rounds and that shat be nasty.

But hey, it's all good because our tanks and heavy equipment are now green and eco friendly.
 
2013-10-12 03:24:27 AM

NewWorldDan: TalenLee: Barack Obama turns up promising to stop those wars and step down the militarism, and gets elected. That is, Barack Obama, just by getting elected, expressed the ability of a nation that had been in a state of non-stop war for a near-decade to stop, to stabilise, and maybe stop being such a gigantic asshole to the rest of the world

That is a view that can only be described as willfully ignorant of Barack Obama and what he stands for. And what he stands for is... nothing. And this was entirely apparent during the campaign. He offered up populist platitudes about what a lot of people wanted to hear. But the US political machinery being the broken system that it is, his primary and general election opponents were 2 people that no one really wanted, so he speaks to the youth about hope and change and they fall for it. But I'm terribly disappointed in the Nobel committee for being so gullible.

Given the history of the peace prize, I shouldn't be so surprised. I would be surprised if the committee were dumb enough to give another award to the guy who uses murder drones to execute "bad guys" without any sort of trial or oversight, after failing to close Gitmo, for sustaining the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for illegally waging war in Libya, and for trying to start another war in Syria. Anyone who thinks this guy should be considered for a second peace prize needs to get their head examined. This clown belongs in jail with Bush and Cheney. Hell, the last US president who wasn't a crook was Carter, and he was just a joke.


Unlike science, peace can be promoted by ideals and attitudes.
 
2013-10-12 03:27:43 AM

Ennuipoet: revrendjim: No. He didn't deserve the first one.

/life-long liberal and Democrat

This

/and also that
//take farking Kissinger's back too!


Norwegian here. I agree with both of the above. (I'd also yoink the Rabin / Peres / Arafat one)

IMO, instead of Obama, the award should have been given to "the people of the United States, for turning away from the destructive path of the past eight years," or some such thing. Yeah, it was a great big FU to bush (it's the only way I can make any sense of it), but it was a poorly executed one.

/I really, honestly, thought it was April 1st when I heard of Obama's Nobel
 
2013-10-12 03:35:15 AM

Farxist Marxist: DVOM: Farxist Marxist: Putin was perceived as the peacemaker, and Obama suffered another foreign policy black eye.

BS, Obama got just what he claimed he wanted and the responsibility/cost got shifted to Putin. You're just butthurt that you didn't get to spend a couple of trillion killing a few thousand Muslims.

Boy Howdie, do Real 'Merkins love killing those Muslims.

If you say so, I wouldn't know.


Then, you're willfully ignorant. The rest of the world knows.
 
2013-10-12 03:48:33 AM

revrendjim: No. He didn't deserve the first one.

/life-long liberal and Democrat


it was easier to write his name than all the Americans who voted for him - I mean, they'd have to get the lists from ACORN to remove all the duplicate names or else it'd look bad...
 
2013-10-12 06:04:30 AM

TalenLee: b0rscht: Obama didn't deserve the 1st one for sure.

Alright, look, this may be hard to recognise from inside the United States, but I think you might have missed the significance of Barack Obama being elected. The rest of the world that pays attention to the USA - that is all of us - watched as the global superpower with all the nukes and a pretty big army went and started a fight in Afghanistan (excessive but understandable) then started a fight with Iraq (huh?) and started more of a fight in Pakistan (!!!?) and was eyeing Syria and Iran, while its economy was crumbling, in a way that would impact everyone. Wars that were older than the students now learning about the countries in question in school were going on when the USA changed hands.

Barack Obama turns up promising to stop those wars and step down the militarism, and gets elected. That is, Barack Obama, just by getting elected, expressed the ability of a nation that had been in a state of non-stop war for a near-decade to stop, to stabilise, and maybe stop being such a gigantic asshole to the rest of the world.

Sure, the Peace Prize doesn't mean that much since suckholes like Kissinger have it. And yes, Obama did not turn out to be as anti-war, as pro-peace as he should have been to deserve the medal in hindsight, because of things he did after he farking won it. But if you want to know why he got it, he did seemingly turn up to muzzle the biggest, nastiest dog in human history.


fark. Yes.

/newsletter?
 
2013-10-12 07:50:12 AM
Surely you're joking Mother Jones.
 
2013-10-12 08:01:51 AM
I could see it happening.  The Nobel Prize isn't much of a distinction anymore - it has become a joke.
 
2013-10-12 08:02:11 AM

oryx: Surely you're joking Mother Jones.


I am serious, and don't call me "Mother".
 
2013-10-12 08:04:09 AM

kukukupo: I could see it happening.  The Nobel Prize isn't much of a distinction anymore - it has become a joke.


Well, it's always been a concretely meaningless, arbitrarily awarded prize, and as such, it's as much or as little of a "joke" as it's ever been - I couldn't really argue with you.
 
2013-10-12 08:09:47 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: b0rscht: Didn't this whole chemical weapons destruction thing start with some reporter asking John Kerry what Syria could do to avoid an attack, and he said, off the cuff, give up all the weapons for destruction? The story in my head is of an arrogant, overstretched nation accidentally falling into the solution they should have pursued in the first place. Obama didn't deserve the 1st one for sure. And unless someone convinces me otherwise, that reporter deserves it more than Obama.

/supports the president, but does not support this.

What the fark are you talking about? They awarded the peace prize to some multinational, U.N.-backed chemical watchdog group.


I am talking about this:  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/09/09/syria_chemical_weap o ns_did_john_kerry_just_accidentally_find_a_workable.html

Was this just a sideshow? I dunno.
 
2013-10-12 08:27:51 AM

Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused that people somehow think the statements Kerry made were just dumb luck


Exactly. Guess what people, the fact that he said that after meeting with the Russians, after Obama spoke to Putin personally, and Russia took them up on it? Wow, what an amazing series of coincidences...
It's called diplomacy people.
 
2013-10-12 09:39:36 AM
The only reason I would ever support this is to see frothy conservative anger.


And even then. NO. He didn't deserve the first one.
 
2013-10-12 09:51:19 AM

Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused that people somehow think the statements Kerry made were just dumb luck


dont tell that to the right wing derposphere. That HAD to be luck, all diplomacy happens in the open, nothing happens behind closed doors...
 
2013-10-12 09:51:59 AM
You know what other life-long liberal didn't think Obama deserved the Peace Prize?  Obama.  I doubt he would think he's deserving of a second Peace Prize, either.  And his speech when receiving the Peace Prize perfectly encapsulated the American ideal that sometimes Peace can only be achieved thru war, something the Peace prize committee probably does not agree with.  Why people can get outraged over this is beyond me.
 
2013-10-12 10:05:22 AM
lets not give it to the girl who got shot in the face by the Taliban for encouraging girls to go to school.
 
2013-10-12 10:09:06 AM
Two totally undeserved peace Nobels should also get him a Guiness mention.
 
2013-10-12 10:47:21 AM

RyogaM: You know what other life-long liberal didn't think Obama deserved the Peace Prize?  Obama.  I doubt he would think he's deserving of a second Peace Prize, either.  And his speech when receiving the Peace Prize perfectly encapsulated the American ideal that sometimes Peace can only be achieved thru war, something the Peace prize committee probably does not agree with.  Why people can get outraged over this is beyond me.


And that's why he'll never win a second one.  He ruffled a lot of feathers in Oslo with that speech.
 
2013-10-12 11:30:33 AM

Ennuipoet: revrendjim: No. He didn't deserve the first one.

/life-long liberal and Democrat

This

/and also that
//take farking Kissinger's back too!


and Arafat's!

/I'm surprised Hilter or Stalin never won the thing.
 
2013-10-12 11:49:42 AM
I can't think of a more deserving recipient for such a worthless empty prize.
 
2013-10-12 12:03:02 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I can't think of a more deserving recipient for such a worthless empty prize.


If it was so worthless, nobody would even be talking about it. As it stands, every year it forces discussion about whatever issue the winner of it is addressing. Like clockwork. (Aside from the people who scream at the top of their lungs about how much they don't care.)

/was really hoping it would go to Malala
 
2013-10-12 12:22:43 PM

Coco LaFemme: revrendjim: No. He didn't deserve the first one.

/life-long liberal and Democrat

Thread over, everyone go home.  What Obama should have done is thank the committee for the honor, but decline to accept it.  That would have made him look both magnanimous and gracious.


I'm sure he and his staff did ponder these possible scenarios. What would the GOP think and say if he had snubbed it? What would his party think and say? What would the international community think and say? Each action, or non-action as the case may be, would have its own SWOT diagram drawn out and analyzed. I think, of all the possible actions he could have taken, just showing up, receiving the prize, say that he doesn't deserve it was the least ungracious and safest route to take.
 
2013-10-12 12:43:23 PM

NFA: He would deserve a Nobel Peace prize IF...

1) When the country defaults, he declares a state of emergency
2) He arrests half the Republican party and publicly tries them for treason.


Nothing like consolidating power into a single party, eh, comrade?
 
2013-10-12 01:05:25 PM

studs up: NFA: He would deserve a Nobel Peace prize IF...

1) When the country defaults, he declares a state of emergency
2) He arrests half the Republican party and publicly tries them for treason.

Nothing like consolidating power into a single party, eh, comrade?


Isn't that something that the right suggests from time to time, heil Reagan?
 
2013-10-12 02:37:52 PM
If the American people (minus the Total Fark left) had not stood up and prevented Obama from going to war, he would be a shoe in for a second prize.

As it is, Putin should win one for stopping a petty tyrant from setting the rest of the Middle East aflame.
 
2013-10-12 02:44:50 PM
Barry should have won a second prize after utilizing the police to violently disperse the Occupy movements throughout the nation.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-10-12 03:16:22 PM

Pharque-it: studs up: NFA: He would deserve a Nobel Peace prize IF...

1) When the country defaults, he declares a state of emergency
2) He arrests half the Republican party and publicly tries them for treason.

Nothing like consolidating power into a single party, eh, comrade?

Isn't that something that the right suggests from time to time, heil Reagan?


Indeed it is....

: )
 
2013-10-12 04:28:48 PM

Nemo's Brother: As it is, Putin Obama should win another one for making Putin stop a petty tyrant from setting the rest of the Middle East aflame.


Fixed!

With all due respect to NB (and his no doubt massive cache of shirtless Putin pics) Putin is a power mad egomaniac with delusions of grandeur who was pressured into reining in one of his few remaining client states pretty much solely through the implied threat of American military intervention.

Actually. I've reconsidered. Obama shouldn't win a second NPP.

It's enough that Obama maneuvered him into doing what he did, a second NPP would just be rubbing Pootie's face in it.

Carry on.
 
2013-10-12 08:39:11 PM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: feckingmorons: If they call him to Stockholm it will be to take the first one back.

Still butthurt about it huh?


the true peace prize should be given to his teleprompter

but if the OPCW is to keep nations from having chemical weapons, should not the USA give up their VX nerve gas and other deadly chemical agents?

you know, the ones that 0 is in charge of?
 
2013-10-12 10:16:06 PM
Let's see:
A) Create Chemical Weapons Committee
B) Watch as country uses chemical weapons multiple times on civilians
C) Faux outrage and faux strikes
D) ??
E) Capitulate to the weapons supplier, declare victory, and nominate yourself for peace prize while standing on the bodies of gassed children as the perpetrator still lives unharmed dictating terms.

/Hey did anyone get the NPP for capitulating the Sudetenland and averting WWII?  Nothing to see here folks.  Another award on how an organization makes you feel rather than what they've done.
 
2013-10-12 11:20:50 PM

Brainsick: /newsletter?


I don't have one of those, but I do have a blog (that sucks).
 
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