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(Slate)   Netflix is causing a generation of viewers to miss out on classic television   (slate.com) divider line 105
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2013-10-11 07:58:41 PM
Cos the kids of today are missing on gems like Manimal.

/then again, maybe it's why most of today's broadcast TV is crap
 
2013-10-11 08:03:07 PM
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2013-10-11 08:08:58 PM
Things that they haven't watched? The Wire. Deadwood. Veronica Mars, Rome, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos. Even Sex in the City.

Wonder what The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, Six Feet Under, and Sex and the City have in common?  Hmmm.
 
2013-10-11 08:12:47 PM
um, they have every Star Trek series. What is this idiot talking about?
 
2013-10-11 08:14:59 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Things that they haven't watched? The Wire. Deadwood. Veronica Mars, Rome, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos. Even Sex in the City.

Wonder what The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, Six Feet Under, and Sex and the City have in common?  Hmmm.


HBO is one of the few producers of content that could survive with just their own portal.  I don't see why they don't work with Netflix too.  They can have most of their catalog on Go but lease given shows to Netflix for a limited time.  Also, Veronica Mars had been on Netflix very recently too.  Didn't watch it but remember scrolling past it.
 
2013-10-11 08:16:18 PM
Things that they haven't watched? The Wire. Deadwood. Veronica Mars, Rome, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos. Even Sex in the City.

None of those are old enough to qualify as "classic".
 
2013-10-11 08:25:29 PM

enry: Cos the kids of today are missing on gems like Manimal.

/then again, maybe it's why most of today's broadcast TV is crap


I'm downloading the timeless classic Sharknado, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-10-11 08:37:11 PM
I wouldn't say 'missing it' Bob.
 
2013-10-11 09:03:13 PM
you mean missing out on the bloated "reality" Television bandwagon?/

/reality TV is garbage
//Posted while watching netflix 8-)
 
2013-10-11 09:05:55 PM
Eh.  College students ten and twenty years ago didn't watch those shows either, and it wasn't Netflix's fault.  Eventually they get older, get jobs, and see what they can afford to.
 
2013-10-11 09:11:49 PM
Or maybe it's because not everyone has the money to spend on HBO.

Their business model was ridiculous before, but it's becoming unworkable fast.
 
2013-10-11 09:12:04 PM
It's not their fault that HBO does not want to stream shows like the Wire or Deadwood. Besides, for $25 a month those students can get a three DVD plan with their streaming and see all of the Sopranos if they wanted.

Though looking back I really don't thing the Sopranos is all that great of a show overall. Should have either ended after the fourth season or at least lost a lot of filler. Too much lag between seasons and just not so good writing for some story lines (Tony's coma dreams and his trip to see Christopha's girlfriend in Cali) weakened the series. I think the Wire and The Shield are better than the Sopranos.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:22 PM
Maybe I'm part of the problem, but I have to say that a lot of the good classic shows, when watched for the first time, many years divorced from when they first aired, fail to impress.  Part of their magic is entrenched in having "been there" when they were hot, relevant and new.  When that's gone, they fail to deliver the entertainment for most folks.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:32 PM
Netflix is getting people used to not sitting through commercials. I hate watching live TV now. I'll DVR a show and watch it later, just so that I can FF through the ads.
 
2013-10-11 09:17:32 PM
Yes, because before Netflix people in their late teens and early 20's watched and enjoyed the same television programs as people in their mid-to-late 30's.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:13 PM
Middle aged yuppie teacher can't share early 2000's pop culture with her broke 18-19 year old students; decides to blame media companies. Quelle surprise.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:35 PM
I'm an old fart, I watch what is available on netflix because it is easy.  I am tech savvy but I choose to be lazy.  Let the networks know we want what is easily available.  I don't want to have to have 3 (or more) subscriptions and pay a nickel here and a dime there, we just want something easy to deal with and right now that is netflix and it is going to take a lot to overthrow it.  Try and make us all figure out 20 different services and pay for them like netflix and watch us old farts (even the non tech savvy ones) learn to torrent your episodes instead.

There is some sort of disease in these persons minds that says lots of people watch us on this easy to use service so we can make our own and charge the same despite the fact we are missing all these other features.  People then ignore your content or just pirate it because you made it harder to get, get a few dollars or just chase these illusionary big dollars.  Kill netflix and replace it with a multitude of pay services and find everyone pirate the source rather than pay x*netflix for the same content.  I mean really, have you ever noticed that no one ever prices themselves below netflix even though they do not have anywhere near the content?
 
2013-10-11 09:19:46 PM

serial_crusher: um, they have every Star Trek series. What is this idiot talking about?


No Three's Company.
 
2013-10-11 09:24:55 PM

Darth Macho: Middle aged yuppie teacher can't share early 2000's pop culture with her broke 18-19 year old students; decides to blame media companies. Quelle surprise.


What? Don't you remember being an 18 year old freshmen, and getting all the sly references and jokes from your college professor to TV shows that only aired on pay channels, with the last episode having aired when you were 14?
 
2013-10-11 09:28:52 PM
Classic Television:
Cheers
Hill Street Blues
Homicide
The Wire
Golden Girls
The Twilight Zone
Get Smart
Boston Legal
Seinfeld
Law & Order
The Jeffersons
All in the Family
The Flintstones
LA Law
Trapper John, M.D.
M*A*S*H
Picket Fences
Arrested Development
Modern Family
 
2013-10-11 09:29:45 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-11 09:30:17 PM
Welcome to being old. Kids don't care about the shiat you watched. Good kids, though, WILL find the good stuff you watched on their own. Just have a little faith.
 
2013-10-11 09:31:33 PM
I watched the entire run of Veronica Mars on Netflix 2 or 3 years ago.
 
2013-10-11 09:31:57 PM

ShawnDoc: Darth Macho: Middle aged yuppie teacher can't share early 2000's pop culture with her broke 18-19 year old students; decides to blame media companies. Quelle surprise.

What? Don't you remember being an 18 year old freshmen, and getting all the sly references and jokes from your college professor to TV shows that only aired on pay channels, with the last episode having aired when you were 14?


I'm old.
 
2013-10-11 09:35:00 PM
The problem with netflix is their notion of navigation and browsing is vastly different from my own, and so, I can rarely find anything on netflix worth watching.

Who the hell knows what's available, they always show me the same 20 shows and fark it netflix I've never picked them so far, what makes you think I'm going to choose them tonight.

I mostly don't torrent, I mostly am satisfied with sketchy online free streaming services of dubious quality.

And I've very rarely had anything I want to watch available on Hulu+.

If Netflix had any brains (and wanted to keep their disc service going) when I searched for something unavailable they could be all Amazon like and say, "if you order in the next 5 hours we can get that delivered to you locally tomorrow for 99 cents."
 
2013-10-11 09:36:40 PM
Let's see, classic TV... My Mother the Car - ok, Hulu, not even Hulu+. What's there to miss?
 
2013-10-11 09:36:59 PM
Yes, it's Netflix fault and not HBO's utterly anachronistic ass-backwards business model that prevents me from legally watching their shows.
 
2013-10-11 09:39:09 PM
Start Liking What I Like: The Slate Article.
 
2013-10-11 09:40:43 PM
When I was knee-high to a grasshopper, during the Reagan administration, my parents watched "classic" TV all the time: Ozzie and Harriet, My Three Sons, the Donna Reed Show, Mr. Ed, Branded, Rawhide, and a whole host of Westerns I don't remember the names of. I hated them, without exception, and I just got used to not watching a lot of TV. I think I'm a better person for it.

If that's not the kind of classic TV the article means, my bad. I stopped clicking on Slate articles after the Farhad Manjuice troll wherein he suggested men should start wearing makeup.
 
2013-10-11 09:40:48 PM
I still find out about shiat via the internet, and if it's not on any of the Netflix selections I have access too, I'll torrent that shiat. Unblock Us allows me to flip to any country that has Netflix. I haven't switched it to anything but US (I'm Canadian), but every time I go visit my parents, my mother has it on a different country. I don't know if this is a good or bad thing. She torrents more shiat than I do too. I'm more of a reader, or if I really like something, I'll buy the DVD/BD rather than become dependent upon it being on Netflix, as some of it does have a time limit, or torrents, as the torrents don't always have the bonus features. I'm one of those nerds who likes to watch the audio commentaries, deleted scenes, and making of documentaries of shows and films.

/28
//may be a rare case as her parents made her watch the stuff they grew up with, whereas her peers never watched classic films and TV shows
///While many of her peers find her weird for liking shiat older than she is, her coworkers are astounded that she knows about this shiat, and can talk to them about it. Sometimes she even remembers more about these shows and films than they do. She's not sure if this is cool or worse than nerdy.
 
2013-10-11 09:41:45 PM

bingethinker: Netflix is getting people used to not sitting through commercials. I hate watching live TV now. I'll DVR a show and watch it later, just so that I can FF through the ads.


Same. I haven't watched live TV in years.
 
2013-10-11 09:41:47 PM
I am still angry with Netflix taking away my King of the Hill
 
2013-10-11 09:48:32 PM

enry: ShawnDoc: Darth Macho: Middle aged yuppie teacher can't share early 2000's pop culture with her broke 18-19 year old students; decides to blame media companies. Quelle surprise.

What? Don't you remember being an 18 year old freshmen, and getting all the sly references and jokes from your college professor to TV shows that only aired on pay channels, with the last episode having aired when you were 14?

I'm old.


We're all old. The article and half of the internet itself is testament to the issue of thirtysomethings trapped in the worship of their own 90's nostalgia and the fervent belief that everyone today should waste their today studying the bullshiat entertainment we wasted our youth consuming yesterday.

I can't give a shiat about Miley Cyrus; what right do I have trying to make Millennials give a shiat about Megadeth? Yet that's hers and half of the internet's problem.
 
2013-10-11 09:57:44 PM
I used to watch Netflix, for the documentaries but then all the ones I liked disappeared. And it would be lovely if they could update Phineas and Ferb- we're WELL into the 4th season already. So now the hubby watches it. I'll bet I've really screwed up their algorithm, since they think I love wrestling and whatever else he watches.
 
2013-10-11 09:58:44 PM
you philistines don't even know what real classic television was
www.platypuscomix.net
 
2013-10-11 10:00:09 PM
Many of those classics ARE available on Netflix.

www.tvshowsondvd.com
 
2013-10-11 10:00:19 PM
I'm still waiting for Netflix to have a random episode function.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:56 PM
I really do not want to live in a  world where "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo Child" is regarded as Classic television, Subby.
 
2013-10-11 10:04:45 PM

bingethinker: Netflix is getting people used to not sitting through commercials. I hate watching live TV now. I'll DVR a show and watch it later, just so that I can FF through the ads.


Correct, although the only thing I plan to watch on TV is Walking Dead season 4 but I DVR it so I miss out on being in the fark thread about it. Are we doing that again? Well I do read it later and sometimes comment. I used to watch Spartacus but that's over. Truthfully, I've watch more network shows than I ever have since before I could drive due to Netflix.
 
2013-10-11 10:06:51 PM
Netflix has aired some of the older HBO shows, like  The Larry Sanders Show (which is well worth watching, btw -- especially for those who like Jeffrey Tambor, Jon Stewart, Janeane Garofalo or, of course, Gary Shandling). A lot of it has to do with who owns the distribution rights today. Anything that's aired in the last 10-15 years is likely not going to be on Netflix soon.

But so what? As the article points out, there are hundreds of hours of great TV available on there, and every time a good one disappears, another good one replaces it. Pretty much the only thing I find annoying about Netflix's library is that the Cartoon Network shows are all just first seasons; I'd love to binge watch The Venture Brothers, Robot Chicken, Children's Hospital or The Boondocks all the way through without having to have local files, DVDs or commercials.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:51 PM

Cincinnati Kid: I watched the entire run of Veronica Mars on Netflix 2 or 3 years ago.


Same, never would have seen it if it wasn't for Netflix

(along with Avatar the Last Air Bender, Supernatural, or Spaced, Archer, Red Dwarf, and a dozen other shows I either missed when they were on air or didn't have cable (or the channels) when they aired.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:08 PM

reklamfox: I am still angry with Netflix taking away my King of the Hill


It's on Amazon Prime.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:10 PM
My kids are 17 and 10 and they don't watch any TV for the most part. They'll watch Doctor Who when it's in season, but for the most part they are playing video games.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:50 PM
So this guy is basically whining that HBO doesn' have a stand alone streaming service.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:27 PM

NewWorldDan: I'm still waiting for Netflix to have a random episode function.


I'd like a "next episode from one of these shows" function. So, like I put Buffy the vampire slayer, Farscape, and quantum leap all onto this playlist and it randomly picks one of those shows and plays the first unwatched episode in that series.

That way I can get a little variety when I'm going about other things, but still have story arcs make sense.

But yeah, for strictly episodic shows a random episode would be great.
 
2013-10-11 10:22:24 PM

Bslim: So this guy is basically whining that HBO doesn' have a stand alone streaming service.


Well, that I can understand, I sorta wanted to watch Rome I like that time period even if it is badly depicted. Sex and the City got syndicated along time ago and well I wish it hadn't of been but for some reason I watch some of it.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:26 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Things that they haven't watched? The Wire. Deadwood. Veronica Mars, Rome, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos. Even Sex in the City.

Wonder what The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, Six Feet Under, and Sex and the City have in common?  Hmmm.


This. I love me some Deadwood, Carnivale and Six Feet Under, but sorry cable company, I'm not paying $50 for basic shiat programming, with another $50 on top just for HBO.

I'll buy the DVDs, or I just won't see the show. As soon as the networks figure out that people want their shiat on demand via streaming, they'll get my business.
 
2013-10-11 10:40:37 PM
Since most of the points that crossed my mind have been made I submit what may be considered a threadjack either for consideration or disregarding. The writer tries to qualify his thesis of by stating that "I realize we're talking about students at a liberal arts college, but I encountered the same levels of access at state universities."

Why is this worth noting? Why would anyone expect a significant difference in access to Netflix at liberal arts colleges vs. state universities? Maybe it's because of where I'm from (midwest) and went to school (state universities), but I just don't see why the writer was compelled to make this statement or how it strengthens his argument;
 
2013-10-11 10:48:11 PM
So... it's Netflix's fault that HBO are greedy farks who would rather have their own also-ran streaming service taking up room on our hard drives than license their shows at a reasonable price?
Those bastards.
 
2013-10-11 10:48:12 PM

RoyBatty: The problem with netflix is their notion of navigation and browsing is vastly different from my own, and so, I can rarely find anything on netflix worth watching.

Who the hell knows what's available, they always show me the same 20 shows and fark it netflix I've never picked them so far, what makes you think I'm going to choose them tonight.

I mostly don't torrent, I mostly am satisfied with sketchy online free streaming services of dubious quality.

And I've very rarely had anything I want to watch available on Hulu+.

If Netflix had any brains (and wanted to keep their disc service going) when I searched for something unavailable they could be all Amazon like and say, "if you order in the next 5 hours we can get that delivered to you locally tomorrow for 99 cents."



Try looking at Instantwatcher.com . Just set the slide bar to your desired dates. Yeah it sucks going to another site to what's actually new, but what are you gonna do, pay 30 bucks for the blu-ray?
 
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