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(Hot Air)   CIA 2009: Hey this Snowden guy at the NSA seems like a security risk, and we think he may be trying to get access to classified files and may leak them. Everyone Else: Yawn. Ignore   (hotair.com) divider line 128
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2013-10-11 05:11:56 PM
No subby. The story says the CIA FAILED to forward the information. The CIA is at fault here.

Jesus. Not surprised someone who reads Hot Air can't get facts correct, but a headline that is the exact opposite of the story is quality fark-upery...
 
2013-10-11 05:17:59 PM
you mean Edward Snowden, the real American Hero!?
 
2013-10-11 06:01:59 PM

ManateeGag: you mean Edward Snowden, the real American Hero!?


G.I. Snow?
 
2013-10-11 06:02:03 PM
FTA:  Mr. Snowden left the C.I.A.

Sure he did.
 
2013-10-11 06:04:47 PM
Oh, I had no idea spook tears were so damned salty.
 
2013-10-11 06:09:04 PM

special20: Oh, I had no idea spook tears were so damned salty.


Those aren't tears.
 
2013-10-11 06:10:01 PM
Is that the tranny who ran that wikileaks page?
 
2013-10-11 06:10:10 PM
 
2013-10-11 06:10:55 PM
Thank god for incompetence.
 
2013-10-11 06:17:27 PM

duffblue: Is that the tranny who ran that wikileaks page?


close enough
 
2013-10-11 06:20:39 PM
I've seen people lose security clearances over a few past due bills and a maxed out credit card.  I never see how guys like this keep theirs for years.
 
2013-10-11 06:20:48 PM
FTFA: The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.

Uh, maybe you should have logging capabilities for the files you're protecting, so you don't have to suspect and you'll actually know whether or not attempts were being made?  Just a thought.

Also: "Mr. Snowden got an information technology job at the C.I.A. in mid-2006. Despite his lack of formal credentials, he gained a top-secret clearance and a choice job under State Department cover in Geneva."

Interesting.  He must talk a good game.
 
2013-10-11 06:21:27 PM

ManateeGag: you mean Edward Snowden, the real American Hero!?


Believe it or not...
 
2013-10-11 06:30:32 PM

Hagbardr: ManateeGag: you mean Edward Snowden, the real American Hero!?

G.I. Snow?


And knowing is half the battle.

The other half is planning your escape to a neutral country so you don't end up stuck in Russia. But hey, he can see Sarah Palin's house from there!
 
2013-10-11 06:33:30 PM
Obviously CIA sent agent to spy on NSA and KGB
 
2013-10-11 06:33:53 PM

valkore: FTFA: The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.

Uh, maybe you should have logging capabilities for the files you're protecting, so you don't have to suspect and you'll actually know whether or not attempts were being made?  Just a thought.

Also: "Mr. Snowden got an information technology job at the C.I.A. in mid-2006. Despite his lack of formal credentials, he gained a top-secret clearance and a choice job under State Department cover in Geneva."

Interesting.  He must talk a good game.


So the Porter Goss/Condi Rice team let him in
 
2013-10-11 06:44:37 PM
Few things made me happier than for Snowden to be beaten out for the Humanitarian award by Malala Yousafzai. I couldn't honestly believe people were so gung-ho to nominate the dickweed.
 
2013-10-11 06:49:04 PM

LasersHurt: Malala Yousafzai

LasersHurt: Few things made me happier than for Snowden to be beaten out for the Humanitarian award by Malala Yousafzai. I couldn't honestly believe people were so gung-ho to nominate the dickweed.


THIS
 
2013-10-11 06:51:44 PM
Holy shiatballs. Well, that actually is better than their totally missing it. It means there's a process improvement that can help prevent this in the future rather than wholesale inability.

LasersHurt: Few things made me happier than for Snowden to be beaten out for the Humanitarian award by Malala Yousafzai. I couldn't honestly believe people were so gung-ho to nominate the dickweed.


No shiat. The guy is a complete scumbag. It's like I got transported to an alternate reality where people voluntarily eat spiders.

valkore: Interesting.  He must talk a good game.


That, or his parents are just well-connected. Doesn't his mom work in the intel community? Because, frankly, it's stunning to me he made six figures without a college degree, ESPECIALLY at Booze. When I didn't have a college degree, most places wouldn't even talk to me. I could only get around that when I knew someone on the inside familiar with my expertise to move my resume past the HR goons. And even THEN, there were some doors that were simply closed to me.

Maybe he just gives really good blowjobs.
 
2013-10-11 06:52:11 PM

devildog123: I've seen people lose security clearances over a few past due bills and a maxed out credit card.  I never see how guys like this keep theirs for years.


They same way the rest of them do. Security clearances are a circle jerk.
 
2013-10-11 06:57:46 PM
Love the name calling in this thread, can flag half the knobs on this site with a single thread.
 
2013-10-11 07:02:35 PM

milsorgen: Love the name calling in this thread, can flag half the knobs on this site with a single thread.


Yeah because Snowden really needs the praise of random internet strangers.
 
2013-10-11 07:05:08 PM

special20: Oh, I had no idea spook tears were so damned salty.


you get a vacation for talking about spooks and their semen around ehre
 
2013-10-11 07:08:04 PM

Hobodeluxe: valkore: FTFA: The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.

Uh, maybe you should have logging capabilities for the files you're protecting, so you don't have to suspect and you'll actually know whether or not attempts were being made?  Just a thought.

Also: "Mr. Snowden got an information technology job at the C.I.A. in mid-2006. Despite his lack of formal credentials, he gained a top-secret clearance and a choice job under State Department cover in Geneva."

Interesting.  He must talk a good game.

So the Porter Goss/Condi Rice team let him in


Obama time machine FTW!!!
 
2013-10-11 07:08:10 PM
So, just a hacker. Enjoy those Siberian winters, Mr. Snowden.
 
2013-10-11 07:08:35 PM

valkore: FTFA: The C.I.A. suspected that Mr. Snowden was trying to break into classified computer files to which he was not authorized to have access, and decided to send him home, according to two senior American officials.

Uh, maybe you should have logging capabilities for the files you're protecting, so you don't have to suspect and you'll actually know whether or not attempts were being made?  Just a thought.

Also: "Mr. Snowden got an information technology job at the C.I.A. in mid-2006. Despite his lack of formal credentials, he gained a top-secret clearance and a choice job under State Department cover in Geneva."

Interesting.  He must talk a good game.


So...a guy was able to talk he way into a job at the CIA and later the NSA without any formal credentials and then a few years later he takes off with a lot of info and hits up both China and Russia?  And people want to call him an American Hero  TM for "exposing" a program that anyone with half a brain knew was likely happening at the NSA?
 
2013-10-11 07:10:11 PM
Hey, look at all the supposed "liberals" who can't wait to attack a whistle blower.

Remember when protecting whistle blowers was such an obvious liberal value that even Obama pretended to support it?
 
2013-10-11 07:12:58 PM
Wow, Snowden is looking all pink-peoplish now.
Dungeon life must not agree with him.
 
2013-10-11 07:13:43 PM
If he got flagged for positive urinalysis he would have been denied every job above SECRET.

/Priorities, America has them.
 
2013-10-11 07:16:22 PM

GrymReeper: So, just a hacker. Enjoy those Siberian winters, Mr. Snowden.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-11 07:26:35 PM
If he was really in trouble previously, wouldn't the powers that be publicized that as fact long before now?

/smells like a smear campaign
 
2013-10-11 07:26:36 PM
The supervisor's cautionary note and the C.I.A.'s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors

You know that the NSA guys are doing a very lousy job when they can't access CIA docs if they aren't "forwarded" to them directly.
 
2013-10-11 07:26:48 PM

LasersHurt: Few things made me happier than for Snowden to be beaten out for the Humanitarian award by Malala Yousafzai. I couldn't honestly believe people were so gung-ho to nominate the dickweed.


The younger Mr Snowden was given a whistleblowing award by the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, a transparency group named after a CIA analyst who challenged the US's official account of the Vietnam War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10370817/Leak e rs-and-whistleblowers-in-Moscow-to-give-fugitive-Edward-Snowden-award. html

Probably matters more to him.
 
2013-10-11 07:28:40 PM
things slip through the cracks. small things, like Pearl Harbor, treatment of civilians during the Third Reich, things leading to 9-11, blah blah blah. your tax dollars at work.
 
2013-10-11 07:29:16 PM

sendtodave: LasersHurt: Few things made me happier than for Snowden to be beaten out for the Humanitarian award by Malala Yousafzai. I couldn't honestly believe people were so gung-ho to nominate the dickweed.

The younger Mr Snowden was given a whistleblowing award by the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence, a transparency group named after a CIA analyst who challenged the US's official account of the Vietnam War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10370817/Leak e rs-and-whistleblowers-in-Moscow-to-give-fugitive-Edward-Snowden-award. html

Probably matters more to him.


Yea, but he made Obama look bad, so herp, derp LasersHurt smash.
 
2013-10-11 07:30:08 PM

traylor: The supervisor's cautionary note and the C.I.A.'s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors

You know that the NSA guys are doing a very lousy job when they can't access CIA docs if they aren't "forwarded" to them directly.


Well, they'd need to be forwarded to someone before the NSA could get them.

Anyone, really.
 
2013-10-11 07:31:02 PM

LasersHurt: milsorgen: Love the name calling in this thread, can flag half the knobs on this site with a single thread.

Yeah because Snowden really needs the praise of random internet strangers.


No, he just needs the support of his fellow citizens. Not the steady stream of hyperbolic derp you and your consorts have taken to spewing in this thread. Really is interesting to see the tone shift so dramatically on the site when he comes up. Either your drinking the Flavor-Aid or your just a shill.
 
2013-10-11 07:32:58 PM

milsorgen: LasersHurt: milsorgen: Love the name calling in this thread, can flag half the knobs on this site with a single thread.

Yeah because Snowden really needs the praise of random internet strangers.

No, he just needs the support of his fellow citizens. Not the steady stream of hyperbolic derp you and your consorts have taken to spewing in this thread. Really is interesting to see the tone shift so dramatically on the site when he comes up. Either your drinking the Flavor-Aid or your just a shill.


It is kinda interesting.

Usually such froth and bile is reserved for the other team.
 
2013-10-11 07:33:35 PM

BullBearMS: Yea, but he made Obama look bad, so herp, derp LasersHurt smash.


Brutal. So just another red vs. blue team player. I'm starting to hate everybody involved.
 
2013-10-11 07:35:53 PM

Phil Moskowitz: BullBearMS: Yea, but he made Obama look bad, so herp, derp LasersHurt smash.

Brutal. So just another red vs. blue team player. I'm starting to hate everybody involved.


I pretty much resigned myself to hate everyone a few months ago.

'Cept BullBearMS. He's cool.
 
2013-10-11 07:37:27 PM

sendtodave: Usually such froth and bile is reserved for the other team.


Will you elaborate? Nah, never mind, really.
*spits out kool-aid*

/knows that wasn't really kool-aid
 
2013-10-11 07:40:30 PM

special20: sendtodave: Usually such froth and bile is reserved for the other team.

Will you elaborate? Nah, never mind, really.
*spits out kool-aid*

/knows that wasn't really kool-aid


Guess I shoulda said reserved by the other team.

Since that's what I meant.
 
2013-10-11 07:42:02 PM
Snoden is a coward and a douche, but the real criminal is Booz Allen Hamilton, a company which has gone to extraordinary lengths to keep its name out of articles about Snowden.  They are the ones that gave him access and failed to supervise him properly, and should bear the harshest penalties.
 
2013-10-11 07:46:41 PM
If everyone followed up on every odd behaviour or "warning" or whatever misconstrued "fact", then 99% of you guys would be in jail right now. You think this is a good thing?
 
2013-10-11 07:49:48 PM

vodka: If everyone followed up on every odd behaviour or "warning" or whatever misconstrued "fact", then 99% of you guys would be in jail right now. You think this is a good thing?


If you own a prison and they are being sent to your prison it is.
 
2013-10-11 07:50:16 PM
So...

Prior to 9/11 the information was there, but nobody shared it with the appropriate agencies or connected the dots.

As one result, we get this massively expanded data collection and analysis effort.

Again, the information that we already had wasn't shared or acted upon.

If nothing else, the Snowden affair has demonstrated that we got ripped off.
 
2013-10-11 07:50:54 PM

sobe: Snoden is a coward and a douche, but the real criminal is Booz Allen Hamilton, a company which has gone to extraordinary lengths to keep its name out of articles about Snowden.  They are the ones that gave him access and failed to supervise him properly, and should bear the harshest penalties.


He's only a coward if you feel people should be punished for doing the right thing.

I can't see how people can rationalize what he did as a selfish act.

The NSA was not being held accountable to the people, and there are no proper channels to change it from within. Ever whistleblower has said this.

He did what he had to do.
 
2013-10-11 08:00:13 PM

sendtodave: Phil Moskowitz: BullBearMS: Yea, but he made Obama look bad, so herp, derp LasersHurt smash.

Brutal. So just another red vs. blue team player. I'm starting to hate everybody involved.

I pretty much resigned myself to hate everyone a few months ago.

'Cept BullBearMS. He's cool.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-10-11 08:08:09 PM

BullBearMS: Hey, look at all the supposed "liberals" who can't wait to attack a whistle blower.

Remember when protecting whistle blowers was such an obvious liberal value that even Obama pretended to support it?


No, but thank God you're hear to remind everyone what they believe.
 
2013-10-11 08:10:25 PM

traylor: The supervisor's cautionary note and the C.I.A.'s suspicions apparently were not forwarded to the N.S.A. or its contractors

You know that the NSA guys are doing a very lousy job when they can't access CIA docs if they aren't "forwarded" to them directly.


The alphabet agencies really really don't like to talk to each other. If a document isn't specifically handed right to the proper person at one agency by the proper person at the forwarding agency, it will never get there at all, and instead will languish in someone else's In basket awaiting "clearance" for anywhere from a couple years to the rest of eternity.

It was that kind of nonsense that directly led to 9/11, among other debacles, and was the reason the DHS was supposedly created--leading to yet another slew of alphabets and another layer or 17 of agencies that won't talk to each other.
 
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