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2013-10-11 08:11:00 PM  
"Sure, turn around and bend over."
 
2013-10-11 08:15:39 PM  

Gyrfalcon: "Sure, turn around and bend over."


I think that's what the headline means by

Asylum seekers claiming to be gay told they have to back it up
 
2013-10-11 08:21:33 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: EmmaLou: Not in US.  If your story sounds pretty much legit, most of the time you're approved.  Even if the asylum officer thinks there's something hinky with your story (like they JUST heard the exact same story down to the details earlier that day) many immigration judges will just approve the asylum anyway.

Hooray America?

I have no problem with that.  I'd say we should open our borders more anyway.  Immigration was one of the driving forces that made our country great in the first place, let's keep it going.


That was also at a time when the land was pretty empty and the hunting were a plenty. We're running out of room what with all the private land ownership and government owned bits.


/NO VACANCY
 
2013-10-11 08:26:46 PM  
So... Photos, or GTFO.
 
2013-10-11 08:27:19 PM  

0z79: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Intersex is when someone is born with any combination of both male and female sexual characteristics, such as hermaphrodites (both a penis and a vaginal opening) with varying degrees of maleness/femaleness.

/is intersex
//born that way
///if it freaks you out, block away
////I have no time for you


I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.
 
2013-10-11 08:44:49 PM  
If movies you watch determines whether you get in or not, could we deport Michael Bay?
 
2013-10-11 08:50:22 PM  
Sure! Bend over.
 
2013-10-11 09:02:45 PM  
Are they going to give a plethysmograph test to men claiming to be gay?
 
2013-10-11 09:10:02 PM  

wallywam1: 0z79: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Intersex is when someone is born with any combination of both male and female sexual characteristics, such as hermaphrodites (both a penis and a vaginal opening) with varying degrees of maleness/femaleness.

/is intersex
//born that way
///if it freaks you out, block away
////I have no time for you

I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.


Or after they win Olympic gold in the women's 800M.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:17 PM  
Can't you just suck my dick and see if it tastes like man poop?  No?  Oh, well maybe that's because I use condoms like a rational person.
 
2013-10-11 09:22:24 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Immigration was one of the driving forces that made our country great in the first place, let's keep it going.


I think the Indians might have a few "reservations" with that assessment...
 
2013-10-11 09:24:39 PM  

0z79: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Intersex is when someone is born with any combination of both male and female sexual characteristics, such as hermaphrodites (both a penis and a vaginal opening) with varying degrees of maleness/femaleness.

/is intersex
//born that way
///if it freaks you out, block away
////I have no time for you



So is your 23 chromosome pair XX or XY?  Or is it one of the rare alternate combinations (that isn't fatal)?
 
2013-10-11 09:27:15 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Okay, but I have to warn you, once you see the videos you'll never be the same.



cdn1.sbnation.com
 
2013-10-11 09:29:56 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: hasty ambush: TuteTibiImperes: EmmaLou: Not in US.  If your story sounds pretty much legit, most of the time you're approved.  Even if the asylum officer thinks there's something hinky with your story (like they JUST heard the exact same story down to the details earlier that day) many immigration judges will just approve the asylum anyway.

Hooray America?

I have no problem with that.  I'd say we should open our borders more anyway.  Immigration was one of the driving forces that made our country great in the first place, let's keep it going.
Fine as long as we go back to the same level of Federal social welfare programs that we had "back then".  Immigrants can get expensive.  That is why  most Europeans nations are even tougher on immigration than we are. Those social welfare programs they have for citizens are expensive enough without the added expensive of non-citizens. Many EU countries require you to have private medical insurance, as an immigrant, for a period of time before you are allowed to use the government one.

End of free NHS care for migrants under new bill
Major restrictions on migrants' free access to the NHS are to be introduced.

I think the better solution would be to offer amnesty for everyone here, require that they complete the path to citizenship within a set period of time, ease restrictions making it easier for new people to come here legally, but require that they also complete the path to citizenship within a set number of years after coming over, or else they have to leave.

Make it such that everyone is welcome, but if you're going to make this your home, you need to become a citizen and accept the rights and responsibilities that come with that.


I think the best solution is, let's let people compete for their citizenship. You say you're an accountant, let's line all you farkers up, and see who's the best at bean counting. The best get to stay and work, the rest of you, get the fark out.
Actually, that is sort of what we do already. We graduate a bunch of yokels every year, and every year, most of them get jobs in their fields, and the rest, well, aren't good enough. So any graduate who can't get a job in his field, maybe give him two years, then instead of listening to him biatching about the job market from his computer in ma and pa's basement, throw him the fark out. Let someone who deserves to be an American in.
 
2013-10-11 09:32:34 PM  
Or we close the Border, and then they can fight such things out where they came from.
 
2013-10-11 09:33:49 PM  

you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now?


+1

/my thought
//soon they'll have the whole alphabet
 
2013-10-11 09:34:45 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Um, back it up? Is that a gay euphemism? What exactly might that entail? Ooops, entail....I did it again.

I'm done.


That's what he said.
 
2013-10-11 09:36:49 PM  
And then they'll take all the dipthongs!!!!
 
2013-10-11 09:36:56 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I think the best solution is, let's let people compete for their citizenship.


static.comicvine.com
 
2013-10-11 09:42:11 PM  

jspenguin: "If they're gay, let's see them do the Hat Dance."

"You're thinking of the Mexicans. The gays have the Buttsex."

"Okay, let's see you do that, then."

"I should've just done the Hat Dance."


I miss Drawn Together so much.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-11 09:43:16 PM  

kvinesknows: "'People should accept the statement of sexuality by those who seek asylum. This practice is regrettable and ought to be stopped immediately.' "

why?  no one automatically accepts proof of marriage or birth.  They demand documentation of some kind.

how else are they supposed to prove they are homosexual?


They could always show their Catholic Clergy card

/drops 'nade and runs outta room
 
2013-10-11 09:47:42 PM  

wallywam1: 0z79: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Intersex is when someone is born with any combination of both male and female sexual characteristics, such as hermaphrodites (both a penis and a vaginal opening) with varying degrees of maleness/femaleness.

/is intersex
//born that way
///if it freaks you out, block away
////I have no time for you

I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.


Actually IIRC it's not really that rare, something like 1 in 10,000 births or less. It's just DR's hid the condition through surgery, a lot of the time never informing the parents. The push as I understand it from the majority of the intersex community is to leave things alone till the kid can decide how to proceed.

Here's a nice informative link on how the sexual genital development happens in the first trimester and the gender identity of the brain is formed in the last trimester.
Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity

From the link: This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.
If you're curious it's an interesting read.
 
2013-10-11 09:55:14 PM  

FutureWars: jspenguin: "If they're gay, let's see them do the Hat Dance."

"You're thinking of the Mexicans. The gays have the Buttsex."

"Okay, let's see you do that, then."

"I should've just done the Hat Dance."

I miss Drawn Together so much.


Came here for a Drawn Together reference, leaving happy.
 
2013-10-11 10:03:43 PM  
I'd enjoy watching a Brit-com starring Matt Lucas entitled "Daffyd Thomas, Border Agent. Welcome to Little Britain''.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:33 PM  
So, uh, if they actually implement this policy, they're gonna need testers, right?

/asking for a friend
 
2013-10-11 10:15:42 PM  

ariseatex: What would be the harm in doing away with the "gay test"?


People who weren't gay would claim to be gay in order to increase their chances.  And since there's presumably a limited number of "slots" available and it's a zero-sum game, that means some other applicant loses out because some guy lied.

Or is it wrong to assume it's zero-sum?  Is there no sort of limit or quota on asylum?   I presume it varies from country to country.
 
2013-10-11 10:16:31 PM  
As Monty Python fans will know, the old Australian immigration rules included Rule Number 1: No Poofters.

Turns out it's now no vague or insubstantial gay asylum seekers:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/court-rejects-deportation-appea l- by-lebanese-man-who-claims-he-is-gay/story-e6frg6n6-1226737029597
 
2013-10-11 10:22:42 PM  

uncleacid: Show them that you downloaded Cher's new album?



www.spinnyverse.com

For lesbians it would be Tegan and Sarah and Sleater-Kinney, or Meslissa Etheridge, k.d. lang,  and indigo girls for older women.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:00 PM  

you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?


Born with both male and female genitalia (or otherwise not clearly one or the other).  But you don't really need it as a separate category, as transgender includes both transsexual and intersex, among others.  If you have the "T", then the "I" is already covered.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:13 PM  
Approves...
i438.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-11 10:30:35 PM  

ciberido: So, uh, if they actually implement this policy, they're gonna need testers, right?

/asking for a friend


I like the way you think.

ciberido: For lesbians it would be Tegan and Sarah and Sleater-Kinney, or Meslissa Etheridge, k.d. lang,  and indigo girls for older women.


Thanks for introducing me to a new comic.
 
2013-10-11 10:41:05 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now?

+1

/my thought
//soon they'll have the whole alphabet


That's step 37 of the Master Plan.  But it's supposed to be secret.
 
2013-10-11 10:49:56 PM  

hasty ambush: Well anybody could just say they are gay


Someone is looking for a blowjob.
 
2013-10-11 10:51:06 PM  

ciberido: For lesbians it would be Tegan and Sarah and Sleater-Kinney, or Meslissa Etheridge, k.d. lang, and indigo girls for older women.


Liking Sleater-Kinney indicates one thing only: good taste in rock and roll.
 
2013-10-11 10:51:18 PM  
you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)

Still insufficiently inclusive, but making progress. We'll get to LGBTIS (straight) presently and everyone can just refer to themselves as "people", which is a bit less awkward.
 
2013-10-11 10:55:21 PM  
wallywam1:

I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.

It's not just "Western society" which does this. Most do and so far as I know have done. Not all. Sometimes there was cultural space for those who didn't fit the binary. Often it was as magical freaks to put it bluntly.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-11 10:55:35 PM  

you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?


You all better chose a different letter. You KNOW how Apple feels about anything prefaced with an "i".

"iSex, from Apple. Go f$#K yourself."
 
2013-10-11 10:57:22 PM  

ciberido: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Born with both male and female genitalia (or otherwise not clearly one or the other).  But you don't really need it as a separate category, as transgender includes both transsexual and intersex, among others.  If you have the "T", then the "I" is already covered.


While I understand what you're saying, from everything I've heard and read intersex people go through a different set of problems and while I would like solidarity I begrudge them not at all for wanting their own sort of recognition and well I believe inclusion is important.. While Transsexuals( people who want some form of SRS (some links may be NSFW) But may end up doing just HRT, ) have the same problems in the beginning, intersex people to my understanding can have very different problems
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-11 11:00:44 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: f you have the "T", then the "I" is already covered.


www.i2symbol.com
/possible symbol?
 
2013-10-11 11:04:00 PM  

Fafai: ciberido: For lesbians it would be Tegan and Sarah and Sleater-Kinney, or Meslissa Etheridge, k.d. lang, and indigo girls for older women.

Liking Sleater-Kinney indicates one thing only: good taste in rock and roll.


I was about to say.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:49 PM  

anuran: wallywam1:

I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.

It's not just "Western society" which does this. Most do and so far as I know have done. Not all. Sometimes there was cultural space for those who didn't fit the binary. Often it was as magical freaks to put it bluntly.


The reason I phrased it that way is because I'm ignorant about how this issue is approached outside my own culture. I could imagine the mystical or spiritual side of things coming into play.
 
2013-10-11 11:07:25 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Born with both male and female genitalia (or otherwise not clearly one or the other).  But you don't really need it as a separate category, as transgender includes both transsexual and intersex, among others.  If you have the "T", then the "I" is already covered.

While I understand what you're saying, from everything I've heard and read intersex people go through a different set of problems and while I would like solidarity I begrudge them not at all for wanting their own sort of recognition and well I believe inclusion is important.. While Transsexuals( people who want some form of SRS (some links may be NSFW) But may end up doing just HRT, ) have the same problems in the beginning, intersex people to my understanding can have very different problems


I'm saying TransGENDER includes a number of groups, including transSEXUAL and intersex.  It's like Transgender is Asia, Transsexual is Japan, and Intersex is Mongolia.
 
2013-10-11 11:08:40 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: wallywam1: 0z79: you_idiot: LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex)


Wait, there's an "I" now? What's intersex? Is it fun?

Intersex is when someone is born with any combination of both male and female sexual characteristics, such as hermaphrodites (both a penis and a vaginal opening) with varying degrees of maleness/femaleness.

/is intersex
//born that way
///if it freaks you out, block away
////I have no time for you

I think it's fascinating. Western society on a foundational level defines sex assignment in binary terms. Intersex is relatively rare, so many people are never introduced to the concept until well into adulthood. I can only imagine how marginalized that would make someone feel. Mr. and Mrs., men's and women's restrooms, M or F on forms and on and on. The constant message that they are fundamentally flawed. That's a horrible way to be treated.

Actually IIRC it's not really that rare, something like 1 in 10,000 births or less. It's just DR's hid the condition through surgery, a lot of the time never informing the parents. The push as I understand it from the majority of the intersex community is to leave things alone till the kid can decide how to proceed.

Here's a nice informative link on how the sexual genital development happens in the first trimester and the gender identity of the brain is formed in the last trimester.
Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity

From the link: This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain.
If you're curious it's an interesting read.


I just read the summary and skimmed through it a bit. Looks extremely interesting. Thanks!
 
2013-10-11 11:10:57 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: hasty ambush: Well anybody could just say they are gay

Someone is looking for a blowjob.



Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?


/you knew somebody was going to link it eventually
 
2013-10-11 11:25:06 PM  

ciberido: I'm saying TransGENDER includes a number of groups, including transSEXUAL and intersex. It's like Transgender is Asia, Transsexual is Japan, and Intersex is Mongolia.


The problem with this little debate here is gender doesn't have a universally accepted definition.  You're conflating gender and sex like some do, but others like to separate the two terms.  A little insight on this issue from Wikipedia.  I personally feel there are ample enough differences between those whose brains and bodies don't match (my definition of transgender) from those who have genitals with both male and female characteristics (my definition of intersex) to give them separate terms.

Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. Today, the distinction is strictly followed in some contexts, especially the social sciences[5][6] and documents written by the World Health Organization (WHO).[4] In many other contexts, however, even in some areas of social sciences, the meaning of gender has undergone a usage shift to include sex or even to replace the latter word.[1][2] Although this gradual change in the meaning of gender can be traced to the 1980s, a small acceleration of the process in the scientific literature was observed when, in 1993, the Food and Drug Administration started to use gender instead of sex.[7] Gender is now commonly used even to refer to the physiology of non-human animals, without any implication of social gender roles.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:49 PM  
You should just take people's word on stuff.  People are trustworthy and have no unethical motivating factors.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:25 PM  

Trocadero: Fafai: ciberido: For lesbians it would be Tegan and Sarah and Sleater-Kinney, or Meslissa Etheridge, k.d. lang, and indigo girls for older women.

Liking Sleater-Kinney indicates one thing only: good taste in rock and roll.

I was about to say.


Good call. I feel the same way about NOFX.

NSFW language http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bybh0rpClq4
 
2013-10-11 11:45:39 PM  

ciberido: I'm saying TransGENDER includes a number of groups, including transSEXUAL and intersex.  It's like Transgender is Asia, Transsexual is Japan, and Intersex is Mongolia.


I understand what you are saying, and sure they may fall under the transgender umbrella but if you read my earlier link then you know intersex peoples problems start much earlier in fetal development than transgender and transsexual.

/I know I posted that earlier post with things missing.
//Posting on Fark while drinking well almost done drinking isn't easy.
 
2013-10-11 11:46:47 PM  

gja: tinfoil-hat maggie: f you have the "T", then the "I" is already covered.

[www.i2symbol.com image 256x256]
/possible symbol?


There already is one thanks.
si0.twimg.com
 
2013-10-11 11:47:30 PM  

ariseatex: kvinesknows: "'People should accept the statement of sexuality by those who seek asylum. This practice is regrettable and ought to be stopped immediately.' "

why?  no one automatically accepts proof of marriage or birth.  They demand documentation of some kind.

how else are they supposed to prove they are homosexual?

Quote Steel Magnolias?

Seriously though, many of these asylum seekers are fleeing countries where they will "test" you to see if you're gay, then punish you if this "test" confirms it.  So they try to get asylum in a more "civilised" country, only to be told they have to be "tested" there as well?  It's making them re-live their trauma.

What would be the harm in doing away with the "gay test"?


The fact that you'd find yourself granting asylum to the entire world once people learned that saying, "I'm gay and fear persecution" is an automatic visa?
 
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