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(Sports Illustrated)   Two of baseball's most storied franchises compete in the NLCS - the Los Angeles Dodgers at the St. Louis Cardinals, Mattingly's men in blue vs. Matheny's men in red, Greinke vs. Kelly on the mound. Game 1 discussion thread (8:37pm EDT, TBS)   (mlb.si.com ) divider line
    More: Cool, Zack Greinke, NL Championship Series, Dodgers, Cardinals, Mike Matheny, Don Mattingly, Andre Ethier, Clayton Kershaw  
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2013-10-12 02:31:49 AM  

PowerSlacker: red5ish: FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.

MLB.com has a replay. He was out.

It's abundantly clear from what mlb.com posted of this play that the tag was never made.

Molina turned away like a little biatch instead of making the tag.


Abundantly clear... Pictures on ESPN show otherwise.
 
2013-10-12 02:47:19 AM  

Tarheel_Madness: Abundantly clear... Pictures on ESPN show otherwise.


A video is worth a thousand pictures, especially when you can look at multiple angles to reconstruct the moment-by-moment action.  From what I've seen, Ellis's elbow might--might--have brushed Molina's glove, but it's hardly cut and dry in favor of the Cardinals.  Not that I have a problem with calling it an out; if the only way to avoid the tag is by ramming the guy with the ball, you don't deserve the base.
 
2013-10-12 08:00:32 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: The great thing about a seven-game series is that it doesn't have to hinge on a lucky win. The Dodgers will have plenty of chances to avenge this loss--in LA, even!


Disagrees:

cdn.bleacherreport.net

/Can't believe Beltran isn't retired yet
//Happy Caturday
///Go Red Sox
 
2013-10-12 09:43:29 AM  

PowerSlacker: red5ish: FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.

MLB.com has a replay. He was out.

It's abundantly clear from what mlb.com posted of this play that the tag was never made.

Molina turned away like a little biatch instead of making the tag.


As a catcher u r supposed to roll away to avoid injury. Quit crying...he was out. Didn't see an argument by the Dodgers. Wacha..Wacha...Wacha.
 
2013-10-12 10:19:36 AM  

red5ish: The Bestest: red5ish: Opening Day payrolls 2013
(Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
 St Louis:          $116,790,787
Los Angeles:    $216,753,286

Source: Cot's Baseball Contracts

so?

There is a huge disparity in payroll. There is a certain elegance and efficiency associated with lower costs achieving similar results. Arguably the Cardinals are a more efficient baseball organization.


The way baseball structures its contracts, with younger players who are amazingly productive getting the shaft, is what allows some teams to do very well with a low payroll.  You shaft enough young guys, you can be very successful with a small payroll.

Matt Carpenter, Matt Adams, Shelby Miller, Lance Lynn, and John Jay making a COMBINED $2.5 million this year?
 
2013-10-12 01:43:57 PM  
meanmutton:

You shaft enough young guys, you can be very successful with a small payroll.

I would hardly say getting paid $500k a year to play baseball when you're in your early twenties is "getting the shaft."  Let alone that whole championship ring thing.

/way late
//waiting for new bb thread
 
2013-10-12 04:16:07 PM  

FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.


Scoreboard.
 
2013-10-12 04:51:12 PM  

Solid Muldoon: FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.

Scoreboard.


Your point? If that call was made the right way, the scoreboard would have looked differently.

Tell me, if that play is happening at second base on an attempted stolen base and the short stop or second basemen doesn't touch the runner with the glove, that runner would be safe, right? How is the play at home any different? I don't care if that type of play is called out 9 times out of 10 based on the ball beating the runner. The tag has to be applied or the catcher can just lay his leg across homeplate and catch the ball from anywhere. Body contact is not tagging the runner. Simple as that.
 
2013-10-12 10:42:40 PM  

FedExPope: Solid Muldoon: FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.

Scoreboard.

Your point? If that call was made the right way, the scoreboard would have looked differently.

Tell me, if that play is happening at second base on an attempted stolen base and the short stop or second basemen doesn't touch the runner with the glove, that runner would be safe, right? How is the play at home any different? I don't care if that type of play is called out 9 times out of 10 based on the ball beating the runner. The tag has to be applied or the catcher can just lay his leg across homeplate and catch the ball from anywhere. Body contact is not tagging the runner. Simple as that.


You mean like in a double play, when the ump calls the guy out if the 2B or SS is anywhere close to the bag?
 
2013-10-12 11:07:13 PM  

salukiboy: FedExPope: Solid Muldoon: FedExPope: This Dodgers should have won this an hour and a half ago. The Cardinals are farking lucky to have won this. That throw from Beltran is being touted as the best play of the game and it farking wasn't. Eat shiat, St. Louis.

Scoreboard.

Your point? If that call was made the right way, the scoreboard would have looked differently.

Tell me, if that play is happening at second base on an attempted stolen base and the short stop or second basemen doesn't touch the runner with the glove, that runner would be safe, right? How is the play at home any different? I don't care if that type of play is called out 9 times out of 10 based on the ball beating the runner. The tag has to be applied or the catcher can just lay his leg across homeplate and catch the ball from anywhere. Body contact is not tagging the runner. Simple as that.

You mean like in a double play, when the ump calls the guy out if the 2B or SS is anywhere close to the bag?


I see your point, but I'm talking about a non-force play where a tag is required, actually touching the runner with the glove while in control of the ball. That phantom tag shiat shouldn't even be in a playofff game.
 
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