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(Daily Mail)   The lost Doctor Who episodes were found in a storage room in Nigeria. Apparently the owner kept trying to email people about them, asking for a small fee to cover shipping costs, but no one would reply   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 34
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2013-10-11 04:30:18 PM
Nigeria? Please.
 
2013-10-11 05:34:22 PM
It was just the same deposed prince that always tries to get people to send money, is all
 
2013-10-11 06:15:54 PM
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2013-10-11 06:21:35 PM
TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?
 
2013-10-11 06:22:25 PM
This again?  Wasn't this already shown to be a hoax?  Or is this another set of tapes in another closet in another Nigeria?
 
2013-10-11 06:25:32 PM
I don't understand why no one would want our MASSIVE YAHCHTS.
 
2013-10-11 06:42:14 PM

Cpl.D: This again?  Wasn't this already shown to be a hoax?  Or is this another set of tapes in another closet in another Nigeria?


Well, they are available today on iTunes. So they found... something.
 
2013-10-11 06:42:55 PM
I submitted a headline for this story too, but as usual I never get greenlighted! :(

My headline was:  Nine lost Dr. Who episodes found in Nigeria, BBC expected to close deal with widow who's ex-husband hid the episodes just before dying.


Cpl.D: This again?  Wasn't this already shown to be a hoax?  Or is this another set of tapes in another closet in another Nigeria?


If it's a hoax then I guess the BBC is in on it, since they seem to have released some of the lost episodes via iTunes; http://www.fark.com/comments/7971175/BBC-releases-9-found-Doctor-Who- e pisodes-on-iTunes-Androids-Cybermen-disconsolate
 
2013-10-11 06:44:25 PM

eltejon: TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?


It doesn't, no, but it does say these are being released to commemorate the 50th anniversary and that they'll be available on iTunes.  The previous article mentioned that they were expected to announce iTunes releases for the missing episodes they recovered, so this might be the extent of it.

Then again, the article indicates that the BBC has had these episodes for a while and remastered them for release.  It's not impossible that there's going to be another announcement later detailing some newer discoveries from Ethiopia that still need to be cleaned up before they can be released.
 
2013-10-11 06:47:12 PM

Cpl.D: This again?  Wasn't this already shown to be a hoax?  Or is this another set of tapes in another closet in another Nigeria?


This is another set of tapes in another closet, but the same Nigeria. They are available on iTunes at this very moment.
 
2013-10-11 06:51:51 PM
It turns out they were actually lost episodes of Inspector Spacetime.
 
2013-10-11 06:56:36 PM
I'm so glad they are Troughton stories. Nearly all of his episodes were erased and he's so great in the role.
 
2013-10-11 07:14:04 PM

Hand Banana: I'm so glad they are Troughton stories. Nearly all of his episodes were erased and he's so great in the role.


He's grown on me. Smith has given him props as being his biggest influence as the doctor. I believe Davison credited him with the one saving the show after Hartnell retired.
 
2013-10-11 07:15:37 PM

Eidola: My headline was:  Nine lost Dr. Who episodes found in Nigeria, BBC expected to close deal with widow who's ex-husband hid the episodes just before dying.


They should have greened yours so we could all deride your who's/whose problem.  Now we'll never know what could have been.
 
2013-10-11 07:36:08 PM
sorry doctor, but your tapes are in another storage room!
 
2013-10-11 07:42:45 PM

Radak: Eidola: My headline was:  Nine lost Dr. Who episodes found in Nigeria, BBC expected to close deal with widow who's ex-husband hid the episodes just before dying.

They should have greened yours so we could all deride your who's/whose problem.  Now we'll never know what could have been.


Damnit... I knew something didn't look right... phew good thing it wasn't greenlit then!

Getting old sucks, sometimes your brain just fails you ;)
 
2013-10-11 07:43:36 PM
INVADE NIGERIA NOW!  THEY FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING WE WANT!!!
 
2013-10-11 07:51:19 PM
So this is legit?  Wow!  It's good to be wrong, especially when it means more Doctor Who.
 
2013-10-11 07:56:11 PM
If the rest of the missing episodes are hidden in the TARDIS, it's going to take forever to find them.

/Too bad no one has access to a time machiner8
 
2013-10-11 08:15:39 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: sorry doctor, but your tapes are in another storage room!


I'm hoping for one, just one, reference to this find in an upcoming episode.  Doesn't have to be much, maybe just the Doctor hiding in a cupboard, then commenting that it's the longest he's spent in one since that unpleasant incident in Nigeria, but just one reference.
 
2013-10-11 08:48:51 PM
Someone in NIgeria didn't like Troughton.

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"We put them in the cupboard."

You know who else got put into cupboards.
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2013-10-11 08:51:22 PM
Right after posting the Night Terrors / Let's Kill Hitler references, it occurred to me that one of the discovered serials was Enemy of the World.

So maybe the Doctor told Rory to put Salamander in the cupboard too.
 
2013-10-11 09:22:01 PM

Darth_Lukecash: I believe Davison credited him with the one saving the show after Hartnell retired.


He didn't exactly  save it, but the fate of the series was in his hands. Regeneration was an obvious story hack. It was a desperate invention and an attempt to lampshade a change in actor. If Troughton hadn't been able to own the role the way he did, then the show would have died quickly.
 
2013-10-11 09:32:07 PM
The Web of fear meanwhile sees the Doctor locked in battle with the Great Intelligence in the tunnels of the London Underground.

I've watched DW for decades and I have to admit that I always thought that The Great Intelligence was a recent villain.

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2013-10-11 09:52:56 PM

yukichigai: eltejon: TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?

It doesn't, no, but it does say these are being released to commemorate the 50th anniversary and that they'll be available on iTunes.  The previous article mentioned that they were expected to announce iTunes releases for the missing episodes they recovered, so this might be the extent of it.


"Ethiopia" was, in all likelihood, a rumor error (unless someone has a BBC-confirmed link saying otherwise).
 
2013-10-11 09:53:23 PM

t3knomanser: Darth_Lukecash: I believe Davison credited him with the one saving the show after Hartnell retired.

He didn't exactly  save it, but the fate of the series was in his hands. Regeneration was an obvious story hack. It was a desperate invention and an attempt to lampshade a change in actor. If Troughton hadn't been able to own the role the way he did, then the show would have died quickly.


A stroke of genius to replace the lead actor not with a younger lookalike but to totally change the character and personality as well as the appearance. Had the just got a Hartnell clone I doubt the show would have survived.
 
2013-10-11 09:54:57 PM

TV's Vinnie: The Web of fear meanwhile sees the Doctor locked in battle with the Great Intelligence in the tunnels of the London Underground.

I've watched DW for decades and I have to admit that I always thought that The Great Intelligence was a recent villain.

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That's why there's talk that these episodes were discovered at least a year ago and that's why Moffat bought him back. It's a pretty weird coincidence otherwise.
 
2013-10-11 10:04:11 PM

ArcadianRefugee: yukichigai: eltejon: TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?

It doesn't, no, but it does say these are being released to commemorate the 50th anniversary and that they'll be available on iTunes.  The previous article mentioned that they were expected to announce iTunes releases for the missing episodes they recovered, so this might be the extent of it.

"Ethiopia" was, in all likelihood, a rumor error (unless someone has a BBC-confirmed link saying otherwise).


Well, a BBC article earlier in the week used "Ethiopia", but as someone pointed out not all hands of the BBC intercommunicate on everything.  Could just be rumor error.

I am already staggeringly happy to get 9 new episodes restoring one-and-some-change missing serials.  Anything else would be an unexpected bonus.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:41 PM

yukichigai: ArcadianRefugee: yukichigai: eltejon: TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?

It doesn't, no, but it does say these are being released to commemorate the 50th anniversary and that they'll be available on iTunes.  The previous article mentioned that they were expected to announce iTunes releases for the missing episodes they recovered, so this might be the extent of it.

"Ethiopia" was, in all likelihood, a rumor error (unless someone has a BBC-confirmed link saying otherwise).

Well, a BBC article earlier in the week used "Ethiopia", but as someone pointed out not all hands of the BBC intercommunicate on everything.  Could just be rumor error.

I am already staggeringly happy to get 9 new episodes restoring one-and-some-change missing serials.  Anything else would be an unexpected bonus.


I know the feeling. If I could time travel (the usual, "What would you do if...") I would gather them all; fark killing Hitler.
 
2013-10-12 12:34:44 AM
I've read a few places that there might be more (someone said something at the BBC press conference that could be taken as "these are the ones we're releasing -today-...", and Ian Levine has said something about it...) and it strikes me as a little too neat that these were found (That is, two serials that go together that, at least one of them was a fan favorite to be returned, just feels very... hand picked? Especially when you compare it to the last find of two orphaned episodes... ) but that could just me being hopeful that they'll release more as we get closer to the 50th... (and -really- hoping that the 10th Planet DVD has a very special feature... but I doubt it.)
 
2013-10-12 04:45:18 AM

ArcadianRefugee: yukichigai: ArcadianRefugee: yukichigai: eltejon: TFA doesn't say (in first skim) if this is separate from the expected announcement which are from Ethiopia. Is that correct?

It doesn't, no, but it does say these are being released to commemorate the 50th anniversary and that they'll be available on iTunes.  The previous article mentioned that they were expected to announce iTunes releases for the missing episodes they recovered, so this might be the extent of it.

"Ethiopia" was, in all likelihood, a rumor error (unless someone has a BBC-confirmed link saying otherwise).

Well, a BBC article earlier in the week used "Ethiopia", but as someone pointed out not all hands of the BBC intercommunicate on everything.  Could just be rumor error.

I am already staggeringly happy to get 9 new episodes restoring one-and-some-change missing serials.  Anything else would be an unexpected bonus.

I know the feeling. If I could time travel (the usual, "What would you do if...") I would gather them all; fark killing Hitler.


When we get FTL travel (same as time travel as far as relativity is concerned, most of the time), we need to get out far enough with a good antenna and record The Feast of Steven. It was never passed around on film, and was broadcast once. Charlie Chaplin, Bing Crosby, all in the first Doctor's first real Christmas special. Saving that episode alone would make a person very rich in this current time line.
 
2013-10-12 07:54:08 AM

sirbissel: I've read a few places that there might be more (someone said something at the BBC press conference that could be taken as "these are the ones we're releasing -today-...", and Ian Levine has said something about it...) and it strikes me as a little too neat that these were found (That is, two serials that go together that, at least one of them was a fan favorite to be returned, just feels very... hand picked? Especially when you compare it to the last find of two orphaned episodes... ) but that could just me being hopeful that they'll release more as we get closer to the 50th... (and -really- hoping that the 10th Planet DVD has a very special feature... but I doubt it.)


The serials aired consecutively, so it's likely they were shipped to that station at just the right time to be thrown in a closet instead of sent back or throw away.  My understanding is they've got a decent bit of stuff to look through, and then evaluate to see what can be restored.  These two series were stored well in a good environment and happened to be in exceptional condition to start with.  If they find a reel of, say, The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve, and it's deteriorated, it may sit on the backburner while techs look at what can be salvaged.  And I'm wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to wait until they knew exactly what could be restored before telling the public.
 
2013-10-12 09:15:25 AM
FTFA: Many programmes from the era, along with many classic shows, disappeared as a result of efforts to save space.

It never fails to astound me that the Daily Fail manages to make at least one serious factual error in every article they publish.  The Beeb didn't wipe tapes to "save space"; they wiped tapes because videotape was expensive and they wanted to save money.

/a really expensive way to save money in the long run
//all they had to do was keep a kinoscopre copy of everything they sent out to the Colonies and they wouldn't be in this situation.
 
2013-10-12 08:03:20 PM

Dwight_Yeast: FTFA: Many programmes from the era, along with many classic shows, disappeared as a result of efforts to save space.

It never fails to astound me that the Daily Fail manages to make at least one serious factual error in every article they publish.  The Beeb didn't wipe tapes to "save space"; they wiped tapes because videotape was expensive and they wanted to save money.


That's not entirely correct and the Daily Mail isn't entirely wrong. Dr Who tapes were wiped and reused, and some of the serials that are lost were lost that way, especially the colour ones (people forget that amongst the "lost" episodes are some Pertwee serials that only exist in B+W). The Troughton and Hartnell stories that are gone were transferred to film and many film copies were stored at the BBC when returned from being sent around the world. That's how we know that some episodes will never be found, they were never transferred to film.

Those film copies were binned in the 1970s when they simply took up too much space to be stored safely. Many were kept in offices and were disposed of after fire safety inspections. (Celluloid and an office culture that permitted smoking indoors do not go well together.)

/a really expensive way to save money in the long run
//all they had to do was keep a kinoscopre copy of everything they sent out to the Colonies and they wouldn't be in this situation.


Kinoscope or telerecordings are what was sent to the rest of the world (former colonies or otherwise).

The  most frustrating thing is that the BBC managed to hang on to most of the Dr Who films for a very long time, eventually destroying them years after they were first broadcast and only a few years before the home video industry made classic TV series very valuable indeed.
 
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