Valiente: The only tragic loss here is the absence of a copy editor. "Valdemort", really?
devilEther: oh, Lucius, sorry nevermind
meat0918: Draco was just a child, and his father used his child to save his own hide.
Gergesa: meat0918: Draco was just a child, and his father used his child to save his own hide.It has been a while but it is my recollection that Draco was actually saving his family. If my memory serves, the Mafloy family(Lucius, Narcissa and Draco) was basically on the brink of being executed by V for various failures. Draco was put in the position of having to save them. V didn't really expect him to successful engineer a means of getting through Hogwartz defenses. Lucius, I think, came to realize that V was much more dangerous than he initially believed and was trying to save his family from V but had to rely on his son to do so.
meat0918: Lucius was a prick that got what was coming to him.
lyndsayj: Yeah, Draco just wanted to prove himself, really. He never had it in him. Even when he became a Death Eater to try and show everyone how tough he was, he still couldn't even carry out the task of killing Dumbledore, which Dumbledore was well aware of anyway. He could still see the good in Draco. I think Draco just wanted everything back the way things were, with a stable and happy family, but deep down knew siding with Voldemort was never going to be the means to that end anyway. But he had no choice. Once Voldemort died he seemed to pretty much hide away and the family kept to themselves. It's telling that Draco and Harry ended up in much the same way - married with kids (or one kid, in Draco's case). That's all Draco really wanted - a quiet, stable home life.
thecpt: I really didn't like that the malfoys weren't in hogwarts in the last scene like in the book.
The Voice of Doom: (like rubbing Voledmort's not existing nose into the fact that Voldemort's killing of a ready-to-sacrfice-himself-for-the-others Harry meant that everybody was protected from Voldemort, master of the Elder Wand or not)
Dr Dreidel: A family-rich guy (old money) who initially believes that his own cunning and guile were the causes of his success is revealed to be a sap for a higher power, who eventually turns on him, and is left a broke and broken husk whose only options are to save his own ass?What else does that sound like?
LrdPhoenix: The Voice of Doom: (like rubbing Voledmort's not existing nose into the fact that Voldemort's killing of a ready-to-sacrfice-himself-for-the-others Harry meant that everybody was protected from Voldemort, master of the Elder Wand or not)Huh, having not read the books, I never thought of that. Makes sense given the whole origin story for Harry Potter. Harry sacrificing himself for everyone would put the same protective spell on them as it did on him when his parents sacrificed themselves for him.Kind of a big hole in Voldemort's power though if every time someone sacrifices themselves for other people that he can't touch the people they sacrificed themselves for.
LiQuid!: It's criminal that Jason Isaacs is "Actor who played Lucius Malfoy." That guy acts circles around most of the casts in those movies. Go watch the Showtime show Brotherhood to see probably the best work he's ever done. One of my favorite shows from start to finish.
dittybopper: meat0918: Lucius was a prick that got what was coming to him.[www.oocities.org image 638x342]I tend to agree.
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The Voice of Doom: Mike Chewbaccaa. And because he set Draco on Dumbledore, Draco became the Master of the Elder Wand rather than Snape as Dumbledore had intended.b. If Snape had been the Master, Voldemort would have succeeded in taking the Elder Wand. Oops.Actually, the way Harry explained it to Voldemort, the intention wasn't to make Snape the master of the wand.The intention was to break the wand's power by leaving it without a master to beat and win it from:Snape didn't want to kill Dumbledore, Dumbledore asked Snape to do it against Snape's will; so, while Snape killed Dumledore, he was only acting on Dumbledore's orders, i.e. he killed Dumbledore without defeating him and thus he wouldn't have become the new master of the wand.
Mike Chewbacca: For so-called "children's literature," the Harry Potter series has some really deep plots and twists, and the characters (aside from Voldemort) are all very well-rounded.
born_yesterday: Mike Chewbacca: For so-called "children's literature," the Harry Potter series has some really deep plots and twists, and the characters (aside from Voldemort) are all very well-rounded.This. Just like Twilight.
Zombie Eater: There were some changes to the ending that I thought worked better in the film (and as much as I like the films, I'm pretty damned critical about the differences), but that bit really irked me too. For all of their treachery and acting as though they were wizard royalty, in the end, they just wanted their son safe and to be done with all of it. It added some humanity to the characters. Honestly, I pitied them throughout that book.
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