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(Daily Mail)   'Fungus on my gastric band made my stomach explode' - Another compelling reason to consider using self control instead of surgery to lose weight   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 130
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2013-10-11 03:57:44 PM  

Andric: Listen, there are a lot of factors that contribute to the ease or difficulty of losing weight. But the bottom line is, if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. It's not magic. It's math.


Some scientific studies would say otherwise:

http://www.popsci.com/node/74033/edit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently.  There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.
 
2013-10-11 03:58:38 PM  

SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.


I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.


I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...
 
2013-10-11 03:58:48 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!

Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?



I watched my wife (after two kids) go to a nutritionist and join a health club with free access to an on staff trainer. During that time she portioned out everything, went to the gym every morning, walked every afternoon. She desperately wanted to lose weight. Lost nothing over a 6 week period, and no decrease in BF either.  She had lap band, saw the lap band nutritionist, kept going to the gym and incorporated Zumba.

Two years later she's lost 60lbs and is loving life so much better. She's evened out what shes eating, (watches but no longer measures) and just does Zumba 5 days a week. She's down to losing two - four  pounds every month, wants to lose 30 more lbs, but doesn't want it all at once.

Some people need help.
 
2013-10-11 04:00:30 PM  
I liked The Fungus on my Gastric band before they blew up
 
2013-10-11 04:05:23 PM  

Etchy333: 2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently. There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.


Brass on the titanic.  Move your ass more, and you'll burn more energy.  Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.
 
2013-10-11 04:05:32 PM  

dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.


My surgeon required that I meet with a therapist and get psych testing to make sure I was mentally ready before I was approved for gastric bypass. Now 3 years post-surgery with my weight stable for the last two years at optimum for my height. People who have met me post-surgery have no idea I've had the surgery unless I tell them.
 
2013-10-11 04:17:08 PM  

Etchy333: 2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently.  There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.


Well that's interesting.  I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said, but it's interesting.
 
2013-10-11 04:25:09 PM  
CheetahOlivetti:
My surgeon required that I meet with a therapist and get psych testing to make sure I was mentally ready before I was approved for gastric bypass. Now 3 years post-surgery with my weight stable for the last two years at optimum for my height. People who have met me post-surgery have no idea I've had the surgery unless I tell them.

I worked in a psych clinic that did those evaluations and a lot of sad stories came through. I remember pulling multiple files that contained notes from surgeons explaining the death of a patient as a result of the surgery, though no stories like the one in the article.

A lot of people who were approved for surgery acknowledged on their forms that they understood they'd need to make lifestyle changes in addition to the surgery but felt they were unlikely to do it. Many of them had trouble with it as a result. I'm glad you were able to stick with it and that it's worked for you.
 
2013-10-11 04:25:12 PM  

Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.


I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?
 
2013-10-11 04:29:43 PM  
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2013-10-11 04:31:43 PM  

dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.


I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.
 
2013-10-11 04:36:01 PM  
  

fireclown: Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.



Fireclown, quit being an assclown. That's not at all what he's saying. The point Etchy was referencing was the international health disaster that is the modern diet's food pyramid pushed by Ancel Keys.  You eat 900 calories of protein and fat for dinner, you feel satisfied and full.  You eat 900 calories of carby bread and an hour later you're ravenously hungry.  And almost all of the "food" for sale at the grocery store is heavily sloped toward the carb side of the equation, so for a lot of people it becomes a real problem to fight cravings.  So it becomes USEFUL information for those trying to lose weight to be told to alter what they eat, not just how much of it.
 
2013-10-11 04:36:46 PM  
She looked fine before she had the surgery.

Fark all ya'll fatty bashers.
 
2013-10-11 04:41:23 PM  

Egoy3k: sign_of_Zeta: Egoy3k: They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more.  I had an amazing nutritionist who was super supportive and tried to help facilitate the weight loss, and I think that was the most helpful part.

That's great, and good for you too btw.   In many cases obesity is linked with poverty as well and the patient cannot afford to follow all of the instructions they are given either but one positive person pushing might be enough to get the job done for some people.  In my case I was skirting around in the grey area between chunky and farking disgusting, the main cause of this was my lifestyle. I rent so I don't really have to do a single active thing and I wasn't willing to spend a dime on leisure activity when it could go against my student debt.  Once I was more financially stable I had a really rough time adjusting to doing the active things I had always loved to do and could now afford to do again.

I wasn't really all that far along the road and I had a damn hard time doing it on my own.  It's really easy to claim "Oh you just lack willpower." but I've done some pretty addictive things in my lifetime and never once felt the same desire to continue them that I felt towards playing video games rather than going for a bike ride.


Lol. Only in America can being poor make you fat. Also jogging around your apartment is free. So are push ups. And not eating potato chips, also free
 
2013-10-11 04:43:14 PM  

barc0001: fireclown: Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.


Fireclown, quit being an assclown. That's not at all what he's saying. The point Etchy was referencing was the international health disaster that is the modern diet's food pyramid pushed by Ancel Keys.  You eat 900 calories of protein and fat for dinner, you feel satisfied and full.  You eat 900 calories of carby bread and an hour later you're ravenously hungry.  And almost all of the "food" for sale at the grocery store is heavily sloped toward the carb side of the equation, so for a lot of people it becomes a real problem to fight cravings.  So it becomes USEFUL information for those trying to lose weight to be told to alter what they eat, not just how much of it.


It is a valid point, I started doing a keto diet about a week and a half ago. My weight loss stalled and I figured I would try something different. It is pretty tough cutting out carbs but I am not NEARLY as hungry as I used to be. Fat and protein sticks with you.

My GF and I use fitbit to track steps and myfitnesspal to track food, cool thing is they sync up so the more active you are the more calories you get to eat a day. After a couple days without carbs the following has been pretty common: "I have 600 (note this includes a built in 500 deficit per day) calories left for the day" "That's great jst3p-sweetie! What are you going to eat?" "Meh, I don't know. I'm not really hungry."


I really miss bread, pasta and potato chips and I wont do this forever, but it is pretty cool eating as much bacon and cheese as I want and still being "on plan".
 
2013-10-11 04:45:23 PM  

Piizzadude: SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.

I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...


B12 is absorbed through the stomach.

If you have no stomach (or it doesn't work properly) you absorb no B12 from vitamin pills.

At nursing homes they give the old farts B12 injections to get around this problem.
 
2013-10-11 04:46:02 PM  

MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?


Unless you're Ned Flanders, I am 99% certain that you probably engage in some type of habit that is bad or risky for your health (whether it's smoking, drinking, eating bacon/red meat, etc). By that logic, why should I have to pay for your risks (see where we're going with this)?

The more practical question is whether you think it's better to pay for the fatties now (when there's still time for them to improve their health) vs. paying for them 10-20 years down the line when they get a heart attack/stroke/diabetic kidney failure and end up on life support.

Primary care is always less expensive than tertiary care. The sooner the American public can understand this concept, the sooner we can have cheaper and more efficient healthcare.
 
2013-10-11 04:47:25 PM  
Cancer cured my obesity problem. Thanks cancer!
 
2013-10-11 04:54:05 PM  
Become, Gluttony.
 
2013-10-11 04:56:06 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.


You sound F.A.T.
 
2013-10-11 04:56:24 PM  
Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

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2013-10-11 05:07:29 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Cancer cured my obesity problem. Thanks cancer!


^this^      I'd rather be fat
 
2013-10-11 05:26:09 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Unless you're Ned Flanders, I am 99% certain that you probably engage in some type of habit that is bad or risky for your health


Well, Ned Flanders is quite the diddler.
 
2013-10-11 05:31:36 PM  
Ran the Portland Marathon last week and calorie meter showed i burned 4200 calories. Why do people need a stomach staple again?

/ Yes I saw plenty of fatties running
// They won't stay fat very long
// Exercise + diet = weight loss, pure and simple
 
2013-10-11 05:32:54 PM  
Put the carbs down.
 
2013-10-11 05:34:41 PM  
Wasn't 'Fungus On My Gastric Band Made My Stomach Explode' that Finnish punk band that competed in the Eurovision Song Contest in 1997?  Or were they Latverian?
 
2013-10-11 05:34:42 PM  

Elzar: Ran the Portland Marathon last week and calorie meter showed i burned 4200 calories. Why do people need a stomach staple again?

/ Yes I saw plenty of fatties running
// They won't stay fat very long
// Exercise + diet = weight loss, pure and simple


Either you are fat, you took a wrong turn or you need to get that thing calibrated:

According to the Cleveland Clinic Center for Consumer Health, a runner who weighs 130 lb. will burn 2,224 calories during a marathon, a 165 lb. runner will burn 2,822 calories and a 210 lb. runner will burn 3,593 calories.
 
2013-10-11 05:50:00 PM  
Good protein, lots of leafy and other veggies, a little fruit, and cut way the hell back on carbs. You don't need multivitamins, you don't need fad diets. You need an omnivorous diet, and you can supplement with carbs periodically. Your body works that way... you feed it right, it'll work.
 
2013-10-11 05:55:26 PM  
This surgery is not for everyone. A coworker had it and she would constantly overeat (all it takes is an extra tablespoon or so in the beginning). It made her throw up. Instead of controlling herself, she would retch into a bucket next to her desk. Farking disgusting.
 
2013-10-11 05:55:51 PM  

PullItOut: [www.rottenecards.com image 420x294]


You'd think that if obesity ran so much it would be healthier.
 
2013-10-11 05:57:07 PM  

p51d007: Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

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This is not really true for non-lap band surgery patients. Lap-band only provides restriction, but RNY gastric bypass (and probably other surgeries, but I know less about them) can actually change how you taste food, and it certainly changes what "full" feels like. When I was obese, I always felt deprived unless I ate until my stomach was full. Now that my stomach has been detoured, that feeling doesn't factor into my eating habits. I sometimes forget to eat until my blood sugar is low enough to make my hands shake. Also, I no longer crave fast food and high carbs. But cherry tomatoes are now my version of Reese's peanut butter cups.
 
2013-10-11 05:58:03 PM  
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2013-10-11 05:58:21 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!

Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?


THIS

Do you know how many calories you have to ingest to sustain weight of 300+ lbs? A LOT! Say what you will about glands and HFCS, that's biology. (I know, the fat can die of malnutrition, but that's down to quality of food ingested, not quantity)
 
2013-10-11 06:02:43 PM  

sandi_fish: dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.

I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.



http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/weight-loss-surgery-increases- ri sk-alcohol-addiction/story?id=16582225
 
2013-10-11 06:12:34 PM  
Geez, I got my stomach sleeved almost two years ago and lost 85 pounds. I look good and feel great.
Guess I am teh aberration here.
 
2013-10-11 06:22:13 PM  
The band has a lot of problems. Slipping, causing bad heart burn after a few years, getting food stuck...

I opted for a gastric sleeve almost 2 months ago. The weight isn't falling off but my body is using up the fat i have stored over the years.
 
2013-10-11 06:24:03 PM  

Alicious: sandi_fish: dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.

I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/weight-loss-surgery-increases- ri sk-alcohol-addiction/story?id=16582225


Thanks!
 
Ant
2013-10-11 06:38:52 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more


This.

Being fat is a mental issue. All fat people know that expending more calories than you take in will make you lose weight. Telling them shiat like that is like telling a depressed person to just snap out of it and think happy thoughts.
 
Ant
2013-10-11 06:45:24 PM  

MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?


This is a stupid argument. Do you do anything that puts you at risk? Climbing? Biking? Do you ride a motorcycle?
 
2013-10-11 06:57:11 PM  
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"Hi, guys, I'm ready to fark! Want me on top?"
 
2013-10-11 07:08:41 PM  

Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.


With gastric bands, that is always a better solution, unless weight loss must happen FAST or else.

Having a gastric band won't make you want less food; if you aren't committed to losing weight, it may actually make the problem worse, as you eat more and more calorie dense food in small portions.
 
2013-10-11 07:12:47 PM  

girlygirlmpls: This surgery is not for everyone. A coworker had it and she would constantly overeat (all it takes is an extra tablespoon or so in the beginning). It made her throw up. Instead of controlling herself, she would retch into a bucket next to her desk. Farking disgusting.


I would have filed a complaint.

"Yes, hello Nancy from HR. I would like to file a complaint against a coworker. She is eating until she vomits at her desk, repeatedly. I feel that since she knows eating that much leads to vomiting, she should be required to eat in the break room only, or be required to vomit only in the bathroom. It is disruptive to my work."
 
2013-10-11 07:15:48 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Piizzadude: SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.

I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...

B12 is absorbed through the stomach.

If you have no stomach (or it doesn't work properly) you absorb no B12 from vitamin pills.

At nursing homes they give the old farts B12 injections to get around this problem.


or they give you sub-lingual pills that dissolve under your tongue and go right into the blood stream like a shot.

There is more than one way to skin a cat
 
2013-10-11 07:16:38 PM  

Ant: MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?

This is a stupid argument. Do you do anything that puts you at risk? Climbing? Biking? Do you ride a motorcycle?


Kind of a false equivalency.

Everyone has to eat, and everyone has to eat right or deal with the same set of consequences.

Electing to do a dangerous activity isn't a result of poor self-control.
 
2013-10-11 07:16:56 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

You sound F.A.T.


You sound P R I C K. I would rather be fat again
 
2013-10-11 07:18:35 PM  

p51d007: Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

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Not true at all. YOu sound like someone who, thankfully for you, doesnt know shiat about the topic at hand
 
2013-10-11 07:29:04 PM  

Piizzadude: Uranus Is Huge!: Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

You sound F.A.T.

You sound P R I C K. I would rather be fat again


It was a reference to his (her?) handle, genius.

And you sound hungry.
 
2013-10-11 07:31:36 PM  
I had a relative die from obesity. Her ex and her son had their respective come to Jesus moments and stopped drinking beer and eating crap food. They both lost weight. A number of us have discussed it and several of us started watching our weight (meaning if it creeps up by 5-20 pounds, something gets done about it).  Her brother was obese for years and dropped beer/scotch and snacks after throwing out his back due to his big gut.

However, when obese people I know socially complain about their weight, I'm not allowed to talk, because with a BMI of 22, I apparently don't know anything about weight control.

I suspect I will be burying a good  number of my peers, even the ones younger than me.
 
2013-10-11 07:39:03 PM  

Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.


... the hell? How is willpower not an option?
 
2013-10-11 07:53:13 PM  
I wonder if there's a plan where they land you on a desert island with a palette of water, a tent, a few tools, and a shaker of salt.
 
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