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2013-10-11 01:07:39 PM  
While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.
 
2013-10-11 01:22:45 PM  
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2013-10-11 01:23:35 PM  
First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.
 
2013-10-11 01:25:48 PM  
I hear getting your spleen removed is a great way to lose weight.
 
2013-10-11 01:29:33 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I hear getting your spleen removed is a great way to lose weight.


I just stapled my mouth shut, and I lost all kinds of weight. The body mod looks kind of kewl, too.

Plus my phone is ringing all day long from all the guys who now want to go out with me. Well, I can't answer it, but it's the thought that counts.
 
wee
2013-10-11 01:35:05 PM  
But fat people can't help it.  It's genetics, hormones, low metabolism, and all sorts of things.  Eating better and moving around more often just aren't viable options for people who are overweight.  Being fat is in no way their fault, and surgery is the only option sometimes.
 
2013-10-11 01:44:13 PM  
Well, ya lost weight, didn't ya?

/sheesh... some people
 
2013-10-11 02:51:29 PM  
'Gastric fungus band' is the cool band name for today.
 
2013-10-11 02:52:13 PM  
Eating keeps the disease at bay.
 
2013-10-11 02:52:20 PM  

ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.


That happens to most people who lose weight in any fashion.  It is hard to keep from rebounding.  Hell, the 650 pound virgin guy went from 650-220-back to 500.

Personally I went 475-190-back to 250.

The trick is trying to limit your rebound and finding a somewhat healthy plateau point.

Also, you can lose a ton naturally, but it really hard, and even as someone who did it I can't explain who to properly get motivated for it.
 
2013-10-11 02:53:11 PM  

Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.


Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.
 
2013-10-11 02:54:19 PM  
Amputation is another great way to lose weight. Need to lose 5 lbs, before your class reunion? Lop off a leg...
 
2013-10-11 02:55:32 PM  

wee: But fat people can't help it.  It's genetics, hormones, low metabolism, and all sorts of things.  Eating better and moving around more often just aren't viable options for people who are overweight.  Being fat is in no way their fault, and surgery is the only option sometimes.


Eating better and moving around more is a total and complete cure-all for excess weight. Bone structure, genetics, packaged foods, HFCS, marketing, none of those things have anything to do with it. All you have to do is walk a little more and eat a little less and soon you'll be skinny and attractive. It's so easy, anyone can do it. In fact, this is why every single person in the first world is so healthy and right sized.
 
2013-10-11 02:55:59 PM  

GoldSpider: Eating keeps the disease at bay.


no no you have to starve a disease
 
2013-10-11 02:56:40 PM  

Egoy3k: They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.


I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more.  I had an amazing nutritionist who was super supportive and tried to help facilitate the weight loss, and I think that was the most helpful part.
 
2013-10-11 02:57:10 PM  

Sybarite: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x282]

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Came to do this.

But 7 comments already logged when I clicked the comments link.... and I kinda knew I was already too late.

I seem to be one of the only people who hold this opinion: The Meaning of Life was the best Monty Python movie, including side projects by members [eg. Time Bandits, Erik the Viking].

// fark off, I'm full
 
2013-10-11 02:57:40 PM  

ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.


Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.
 
2013-10-11 02:57:44 PM  
No one will miss Chris Christy or New Jersey.
 
2013-10-11 02:58:00 PM  
Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!
 
2013-10-11 02:58:02 PM  
Always fuller figured, after finishing university, she tipped the scales at an unhealthy 29st

29 stones times 14 pounds per stone equals 406 pounds. Yikes.
 
2013-10-11 02:58:50 PM  
GAHHHH.  That last picture made me lose five pounds AND my lunch.
 
2013-10-11 03:00:16 PM  

nytmare: Eating better and moving around more is a total and complete cure-all for excess weight. Bone structure, genetics, packaged foods, HFCS, marketing, none of those things have anything to do with it. All you have to do is walk a little more and eat a little less and soon you'll be skinny and attractive. It's so easy, anyone can do it. In fact, this is why every single person in the first world is so healthy and right sized.


It's way easier to blame one's poor health on external factors than it is to try to do something about the problem. The Lesson is, Never Try.
 
2013-10-11 03:00:23 PM  
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It's the fungus among us.
 
2013-10-11 03:01:48 PM  
I think we're all missing the most important point here...

...Gastric Fungus would make an Awesome band name!
 
2013-10-11 03:03:28 PM  

wee: But fat people can't help it.  It's genetics, hormones, low metabolism, and all sorts of things.  Eating better and moving around more often just aren't viable options for people who are overweight.  Being fat is in no way their fault, and surgery is the only option sometimes.


Exactly!  The laws of physics don't apply to fat people.  It's glandular.
 
2013-10-11 03:05:11 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: Egoy3k: They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more.  I had an amazing nutritionist who was super supportive and tried to help facilitate the weight loss, and I think that was the most helpful part.


That's great, and good for you too btw.   In many cases obesity is linked with poverty as well and the patient cannot afford to follow all of the instructions they are given either but one positive person pushing might be enough to get the job done for some people.  In my case I was skirting around in the grey area between chunky and farking disgusting, the main cause of this was my lifestyle. I rent so I don't really have to do a single active thing and I wasn't willing to spend a dime on leisure activity when it could go against my student debt.  Once I was more financially stable I had a really rough time adjusting to doing the active things I had always loved to do and could now afford to do again.

I wasn't really all that far along the road and I had a damn hard time doing it on my own.  It's really easy to claim "Oh you just lack willpower." but I've done some pretty addictive things in my lifetime and never once felt the same desire to continue them that I felt towards playing video games rather than going for a bike ride.
 
2013-10-11 03:06:36 PM  
I lost 150 pound of useless flesh in three months. I still have to pay her child support though.

/Down 30 pounds
//20 to go
 
2013-10-11 03:06:53 PM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Exactly! The laws of physics don't apply to fat people. It's glandular.


Yeah.  Saliva glands.
 
2013-10-11 03:07:21 PM  
Obesity is the cause of how many preventable illnesses?  Anyone who pays for health insurance has a right to be irritated by fat people.
 
2013-10-11 03:08:47 PM  

ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.


A friend of mine got it, lost so much weight he started to look unhealthy, but then stabilized to a normal weight.
 
2013-10-11 03:11:20 PM  
I'm fat, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-10-11 03:13:28 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

A friend of mine got it, lost so much weight he started to look unhealthy, but then stabilized to a normal weight.


The body knows where it should really be at. I lost a crap ton of weight right after mine and just stopped. No matter how much I tried I was done.
 
2013-10-11 03:15:17 PM  

Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.


I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.
 
2013-10-11 03:15:44 PM  

CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!


Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?
 
2013-10-11 03:22:21 PM  
I miss Gittebass and his declarative statements.

I even printed one out and posted on my mirror. Still fat, but enlightened. Like the Buddha.
 
wee
2013-10-11 03:22:54 PM  

nytmare: Eating better and moving around more is a total and complete cure-all for excess weight. Bone structure, genetics, packaged foods, HFCS, marketing, none of those things have anything to do with it. All you have to do is walk a little more and eat a little less and soon you'll be skinny and attractive. It's so easy, anyone can do it. In fact, this is why every single person in the first world is so healthy and right sized.


You sound fat.
 
2013-10-11 03:24:50 PM  

CaptainCliche: I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!


*shrug* Worked for me. I got tired of looking like I was pregnant, so I quit eating lunch, electing to go for a walk instead. I also started eating fewer burgers, and more Subway. I started a daily routine that never wavers...immediately upon waking up each day I do 75 sit ups, 75 push ups, then I walk my dog 3 miles. When I get home from work, I walk Buddy another 3 miles. Not only did I lose 50 lbs in 5 months, I've kept it off for almost two years, I've developed abs, and my legs are friggin' awesome. But just because it worked for me doesn't mean that it'll work for you. People are different. YMMV.
 
2013-10-11 03:30:43 PM  
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2013-10-11 03:31:20 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more. I had an amazing nutritionist who was super supportive and tried to help facilitate the weight loss, and I think that was the most helpful part.


I've recently joined OA myself and started to talk to my therapist more about my food issues. See, my grandmother was a raging alcoholic and most of my aunts and uncles were either drinkers or some other substance abusers. My dad just ate his feelings and raised me the same way (addictive personalities can be hereditary). So now he's diabetic and I've just found out last month that I'm pre-diabetic despite being at a decent weight. It's just the sugary crap that makes me feel oh so good that's messing everything up inside. So at this point I'm treating sugar as an addict would treat beer or pills.
 
2013-10-11 03:36:06 PM  

Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option


Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.
 
2013-10-11 03:37:38 PM  

nytmare: wee: But fat people can't help it.  It's genetics, hormones, low metabolism, and all sorts of things.  Eating better and moving around more often just aren't viable options for people who are overweight.  Being fat is in no way their fault, and surgery is the only option sometimes.

Eating better and moving around more is a total and complete cure-all for excess weight. Bone structure, genetics, packaged foods, HFCS, marketing, none of those things have anything to do with it. All you have to do is walk a little more and eat a little less and soon you'll be skinny and attractive. It's so easy, anyone can do it. In fact, this is why every single person in the first world is so healthy and right sized.


Listen, there are a lot of factors that contribute to the ease or difficulty of losing weight.  But the bottom line is, if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight.  It's not magic.  It's math.
 
2013-10-11 03:38:39 PM  
Oh jeeze and another thing... my last nutritionist told me that I wouldn't be allowed to eat any fruit (because zomg sugars!) I got about a month into it before I broke down and ate a huge slice of birthday cake slathered in the thickest helping of butter cream icing. So now I follow her food instructions but allow myself to enjoy a goddamned apple once in a while so I don't fail off the wagon and crack the asphalt.
 
2013-10-11 03:38:44 PM  

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Here's the morel of the story.
 
2013-10-11 03:45:12 PM  
I started losing weight once my son was born in 2004 and met my goal (100 pounds) in 2008. Gained some back but as long as I can run and cycle, I'm happy with it.

/hated being a fatty
 
2013-10-11 03:47:39 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.


And most of them work on the AM dial.

/6 and a half years since surgery
//Still need therapry for the things that made me eat my feelings
 
2013-10-11 03:49:52 PM  

safeinsane: I started losing weight once my son was born in 2004 and met my goal (100 pounds) in 2008. Gained some back but as long as I can run and cycle, I'm happy with it.

/hated being a fatty


Yeesh how short are you?
 
2013-10-11 03:50:27 PM  
I can't believe that woman in the story, Samantha, is only 27. Yikes!
 
2013-10-11 03:50:31 PM  
Did I wake up in 2002? Since when are Farkers in favor of personal responsibility?

Shouldn't we sue the makers of the lapband, win $100 million, and then collect disability and gorge ourselves on the steaks we purchase with foodstamps?
 
2013-10-11 03:50:44 PM  

KatjaMouse: Oh jeeze and another thing... my last nutritionist told me that I wouldn't be allowed to eat any fruit (because zomg sugars!) I got about a month into it before I broke down and ate a huge slice of birthday cake slathered in the thickest helping of butter cream icing. So now I follow her food instructions but allow myself to enjoy a goddamned apple once in a while so I don't fail off the wagon and crack the asphalt.


No fruits? I would actually starve.
 
2013-10-11 03:52:39 PM  
I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.
 
2013-10-11 03:57:44 PM  

Andric: Listen, there are a lot of factors that contribute to the ease or difficulty of losing weight. But the bottom line is, if you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. It's not magic. It's math.


Some scientific studies would say otherwise:

http://www.popsci.com/node/74033/edit

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/health/19brody.html?_r=0

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently.  There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.
 
2013-10-11 03:58:38 PM  

SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.


I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.


I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...
 
2013-10-11 03:58:48 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!

Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?



I watched my wife (after two kids) go to a nutritionist and join a health club with free access to an on staff trainer. During that time she portioned out everything, went to the gym every morning, walked every afternoon. She desperately wanted to lose weight. Lost nothing over a 6 week period, and no decrease in BF either.  She had lap band, saw the lap band nutritionist, kept going to the gym and incorporated Zumba.

Two years later she's lost 60lbs and is loving life so much better. She's evened out what shes eating, (watches but no longer measures) and just does Zumba 5 days a week. She's down to losing two - four  pounds every month, wants to lose 30 more lbs, but doesn't want it all at once.

Some people need help.
 
2013-10-11 04:00:30 PM  
I liked The Fungus on my Gastric band before they blew up
 
2013-10-11 04:05:23 PM  

Etchy333: 2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently. There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.


Brass on the titanic.  Move your ass more, and you'll burn more energy.  Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.
 
2013-10-11 04:05:32 PM  

dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.


My surgeon required that I meet with a therapist and get psych testing to make sure I was mentally ready before I was approved for gastric bypass. Now 3 years post-surgery with my weight stable for the last two years at optimum for my height. People who have met me post-surgery have no idea I've had the surgery unless I tell them.
 
2013-10-11 04:17:08 PM  

Etchy333: 2000 calories of bread and 2000 calories of meat will impact your body differently.  There is also a floor for weight that every person can get to before suffering from organ failure, which is different based on a ton of environmental factors.


Well that's interesting.  I'm not sure what it has to do with what I said, but it's interesting.
 
2013-10-11 04:25:09 PM  
CheetahOlivetti:
My surgeon required that I meet with a therapist and get psych testing to make sure I was mentally ready before I was approved for gastric bypass. Now 3 years post-surgery with my weight stable for the last two years at optimum for my height. People who have met me post-surgery have no idea I've had the surgery unless I tell them.

I worked in a psych clinic that did those evaluations and a lot of sad stories came through. I remember pulling multiple files that contained notes from surgeons explaining the death of a patient as a result of the surgery, though no stories like the one in the article.

A lot of people who were approved for surgery acknowledged on their forms that they understood they'd need to make lifestyle changes in addition to the surgery but felt they were unlikely to do it. Many of them had trouble with it as a result. I'm glad you were able to stick with it and that it's worked for you.
 
2013-10-11 04:25:12 PM  

Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.


I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?
 
2013-10-11 04:29:43 PM  
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2013-10-11 04:31:43 PM  

dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.


I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.
 
2013-10-11 04:36:01 PM  
  

fireclown: Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.



Fireclown, quit being an assclown. That's not at all what he's saying. The point Etchy was referencing was the international health disaster that is the modern diet's food pyramid pushed by Ancel Keys.  You eat 900 calories of protein and fat for dinner, you feel satisfied and full.  You eat 900 calories of carby bread and an hour later you're ravenously hungry.  And almost all of the "food" for sale at the grocery store is heavily sloped toward the carb side of the equation, so for a lot of people it becomes a real problem to fight cravings.  So it becomes USEFUL information for those trying to lose weight to be told to alter what they eat, not just how much of it.
 
2013-10-11 04:36:46 PM  
She looked fine before she had the surgery.

Fark all ya'll fatty bashers.
 
2013-10-11 04:41:23 PM  

Egoy3k: sign_of_Zeta: Egoy3k: They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more.  I had an amazing nutritionist who was super supportive and tried to help facilitate the weight loss, and I think that was the most helpful part.

That's great, and good for you too btw.   In many cases obesity is linked with poverty as well and the patient cannot afford to follow all of the instructions they are given either but one positive person pushing might be enough to get the job done for some people.  In my case I was skirting around in the grey area between chunky and farking disgusting, the main cause of this was my lifestyle. I rent so I don't really have to do a single active thing and I wasn't willing to spend a dime on leisure activity when it could go against my student debt.  Once I was more financially stable I had a really rough time adjusting to doing the active things I had always loved to do and could now afford to do again.

I wasn't really all that far along the road and I had a damn hard time doing it on my own.  It's really easy to claim "Oh you just lack willpower." but I've done some pretty addictive things in my lifetime and never once felt the same desire to continue them that I felt towards playing video games rather than going for a bike ride.


Lol. Only in America can being poor make you fat. Also jogging around your apartment is free. So are push ups. And not eating potato chips, also free
 
2013-10-11 04:43:14 PM  

barc0001: fireclown: Maybe bread calories and meat calories come off differently, but come off they will.

And as to the baseline that you can hit before organ failure, I'll tell ya what: get down to just below chubby and it won't be a problem.

Stop enabling people.  The obese read stuff like that and it makes them think that their voluntary accelerated death is OK just because the skinny guys were wrong about something.


Fireclown, quit being an assclown. That's not at all what he's saying. The point Etchy was referencing was the international health disaster that is the modern diet's food pyramid pushed by Ancel Keys.  You eat 900 calories of protein and fat for dinner, you feel satisfied and full.  You eat 900 calories of carby bread and an hour later you're ravenously hungry.  And almost all of the "food" for sale at the grocery store is heavily sloped toward the carb side of the equation, so for a lot of people it becomes a real problem to fight cravings.  So it becomes USEFUL information for those trying to lose weight to be told to alter what they eat, not just how much of it.


It is a valid point, I started doing a keto diet about a week and a half ago. My weight loss stalled and I figured I would try something different. It is pretty tough cutting out carbs but I am not NEARLY as hungry as I used to be. Fat and protein sticks with you.

My GF and I use fitbit to track steps and myfitnesspal to track food, cool thing is they sync up so the more active you are the more calories you get to eat a day. After a couple days without carbs the following has been pretty common: "I have 600 (note this includes a built in 500 deficit per day) calories left for the day" "That's great jst3p-sweetie! What are you going to eat?" "Meh, I don't know. I'm not really hungry."


I really miss bread, pasta and potato chips and I wont do this forever, but it is pretty cool eating as much bacon and cheese as I want and still being "on plan".
 
2013-10-11 04:45:23 PM  

Piizzadude: SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.

I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...


B12 is absorbed through the stomach.

If you have no stomach (or it doesn't work properly) you absorb no B12 from vitamin pills.

At nursing homes they give the old farts B12 injections to get around this problem.
 
2013-10-11 04:46:02 PM  

MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?


Unless you're Ned Flanders, I am 99% certain that you probably engage in some type of habit that is bad or risky for your health (whether it's smoking, drinking, eating bacon/red meat, etc). By that logic, why should I have to pay for your risks (see where we're going with this)?

The more practical question is whether you think it's better to pay for the fatties now (when there's still time for them to improve their health) vs. paying for them 10-20 years down the line when they get a heart attack/stroke/diabetic kidney failure and end up on life support.

Primary care is always less expensive than tertiary care. The sooner the American public can understand this concept, the sooner we can have cheaper and more efficient healthcare.
 
2013-10-11 04:47:25 PM  
Cancer cured my obesity problem. Thanks cancer!
 
2013-10-11 04:54:05 PM  
Become, Gluttony.
 
2013-10-11 04:56:06 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.


You sound F.A.T.
 
2013-10-11 04:56:24 PM  
Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 05:07:29 PM  

Prophet of Loss: Cancer cured my obesity problem. Thanks cancer!


^this^      I'd rather be fat
 
2013-10-11 05:26:09 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Unless you're Ned Flanders, I am 99% certain that you probably engage in some type of habit that is bad or risky for your health


Well, Ned Flanders is quite the diddler.
 
2013-10-11 05:31:36 PM  
Ran the Portland Marathon last week and calorie meter showed i burned 4200 calories. Why do people need a stomach staple again?

/ Yes I saw plenty of fatties running
// They won't stay fat very long
// Exercise + diet = weight loss, pure and simple
 
2013-10-11 05:32:54 PM  
Put the carbs down.
 
2013-10-11 05:34:41 PM  
Wasn't 'Fungus On My Gastric Band Made My Stomach Explode' that Finnish punk band that competed in the Eurovision Song Contest in 1997?  Or were they Latverian?
 
2013-10-11 05:34:42 PM  

Elzar: Ran the Portland Marathon last week and calorie meter showed i burned 4200 calories. Why do people need a stomach staple again?

/ Yes I saw plenty of fatties running
// They won't stay fat very long
// Exercise + diet = weight loss, pure and simple


Either you are fat, you took a wrong turn or you need to get that thing calibrated:

According to the Cleveland Clinic Center for Consumer Health, a runner who weighs 130 lb. will burn 2,224 calories during a marathon, a 165 lb. runner will burn 2,822 calories and a 210 lb. runner will burn 3,593 calories.
 
2013-10-11 05:50:00 PM  
Good protein, lots of leafy and other veggies, a little fruit, and cut way the hell back on carbs. You don't need multivitamins, you don't need fad diets. You need an omnivorous diet, and you can supplement with carbs periodically. Your body works that way... you feed it right, it'll work.
 
2013-10-11 05:55:26 PM  
This surgery is not for everyone. A coworker had it and she would constantly overeat (all it takes is an extra tablespoon or so in the beginning). It made her throw up. Instead of controlling herself, she would retch into a bucket next to her desk. Farking disgusting.
 
2013-10-11 05:55:51 PM  

PullItOut: [www.rottenecards.com image 420x294]


You'd think that if obesity ran so much it would be healthier.
 
2013-10-11 05:57:07 PM  

p51d007: Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 504x490]


This is not really true for non-lap band surgery patients. Lap-band only provides restriction, but RNY gastric bypass (and probably other surgeries, but I know less about them) can actually change how you taste food, and it certainly changes what "full" feels like. When I was obese, I always felt deprived unless I ate until my stomach was full. Now that my stomach has been detoured, that feeling doesn't factor into my eating habits. I sometimes forget to eat until my blood sugar is low enough to make my hands shake. Also, I no longer crave fast food and high carbs. But cherry tomatoes are now my version of Reese's peanut butter cups.
 
2013-10-11 05:58:03 PM  
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2013-10-11 05:58:21 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!

Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?


THIS

Do you know how many calories you have to ingest to sustain weight of 300+ lbs? A LOT! Say what you will about glands and HFCS, that's biology. (I know, the fat can die of malnutrition, but that's down to quality of food ingested, not quantity)
 
2013-10-11 06:02:43 PM  

sandi_fish: dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.

I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.



http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/weight-loss-surgery-increases- ri sk-alcohol-addiction/story?id=16582225
 
2013-10-11 06:12:34 PM  
Geez, I got my stomach sleeved almost two years ago and lost 85 pounds. I look good and feel great.
Guess I am teh aberration here.
 
2013-10-11 06:22:13 PM  
The band has a lot of problems. Slipping, causing bad heart burn after a few years, getting food stuck...

I opted for a gastric sleeve almost 2 months ago. The weight isn't falling off but my body is using up the fat i have stored over the years.
 
2013-10-11 06:24:03 PM  

Alicious: sandi_fish: dmaestaz: I think before people have the surgery, they need to see a therapist to see if the person having the surgery has an addictive personality. When I was married, my ex was a food addict, and tired of being fat decided that she wanted to have that surgery and get thin. Her doctor made her go to 2 group classes before they would schedule the surgery. I guess she went in and half assed and bs'd her way thru the class or group so the therapist would sign off on the surgery. She has it, loses the weight.

Then her addictive personality kicks in. Since she could no longer eat she went looking for something to fill the void that food use to fill. Unfortunately, she settled on alcohol. Long story short, she managed to drink herself to death in under 2 years. Deal with the issues with food first, then consider the surgery.

I know one person who got the lapband and then died suddenly about a year after, due to unknown issues.  But I did see drinking affected her more after the surgery, but I don't know if she drank more.  I know another person who had the lapband and seems to get wasted out of nowhere and was told if she didn't stop drinking she would die.

I feel that lapband and drinking are not a good mix.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/weight-loss-surgery-increases- ri sk-alcohol-addiction/story?id=16582225


Thanks!
 
Ant
2013-10-11 06:38:52 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more


This.

Being fat is a mental issue. All fat people know that expending more calories than you take in will make you lose weight. Telling them shiat like that is like telling a depressed person to just snap out of it and think happy thoughts.
 
Ant
2013-10-11 06:45:24 PM  

MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?


This is a stupid argument. Do you do anything that puts you at risk? Climbing? Biking? Do you ride a motorcycle?
 
2013-10-11 06:57:11 PM  
media.screened.com

"Hi, guys, I'm ready to fark! Want me on top?"
 
2013-10-11 07:08:41 PM  

Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.


With gastric bands, that is always a better solution, unless weight loss must happen FAST or else.

Having a gastric band won't make you want less food; if you aren't committed to losing weight, it may actually make the problem worse, as you eat more and more calorie dense food in small portions.
 
2013-10-11 07:12:47 PM  

girlygirlmpls: This surgery is not for everyone. A coworker had it and she would constantly overeat (all it takes is an extra tablespoon or so in the beginning). It made her throw up. Instead of controlling herself, she would retch into a bucket next to her desk. Farking disgusting.


I would have filed a complaint.

"Yes, hello Nancy from HR. I would like to file a complaint against a coworker. She is eating until she vomits at her desk, repeatedly. I feel that since she knows eating that much leads to vomiting, she should be required to eat in the break room only, or be required to vomit only in the bathroom. It is disruptive to my work."
 
2013-10-11 07:15:48 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Piizzadude: SteveFU: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I only know one person that has had this sugery. She has kept the weight off for 7-10 years so far but right after sugery she got malnourished and started losing hair and too much weight. Looked sickly for a while but looks much better now.
Her only "complaint" is that she has to drink shots instead of beer now because her stumic can't hold that much liquid at one time.

I have a friend like that, her problem was not taking daily vitamins. I take 2 flinstones, a b12 and a calcium pill every morning. It is too much B12 I think but better safe than sorry.

Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

I agree, it should be an option. A revision though (for someone who ate through the surgery) should really not be. They are not in the right frame of mind to do things right. More mental than physical...

B12 is absorbed through the stomach.

If you have no stomach (or it doesn't work properly) you absorb no B12 from vitamin pills.

At nursing homes they give the old farts B12 injections to get around this problem.


or they give you sub-lingual pills that dissolve under your tongue and go right into the blood stream like a shot.

There is more than one way to skin a cat
 
2013-10-11 07:16:38 PM  

Ant: MemeSlave: Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.

I would rather not pay for fatties at all.   I didn't eat all that food, why punish me?

This is a stupid argument. Do you do anything that puts you at risk? Climbing? Biking? Do you ride a motorcycle?


Kind of a false equivalency.

Everyone has to eat, and everyone has to eat right or deal with the same set of consequences.

Electing to do a dangerous activity isn't a result of poor self-control.
 
2013-10-11 07:16:56 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

You sound F.A.T.


You sound P R I C K. I would rather be fat again
 
2013-10-11 07:18:35 PM  

p51d007: Pushing yourself AWAY from the table is the only way to stop you from eating too much.
Lap bands, gastric bypass isn't the answer, because you still WANT to eat

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 504x490]


Not true at all. YOu sound like someone who, thankfully for you, doesnt know shiat about the topic at hand
 
2013-10-11 07:29:04 PM  

Piizzadude: Uranus Is Huge!: Noticeably F.A.T.: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option

Even when it is, why can't surgery also be an option? I'll never understand people who will give folks crap for being fat, then turn around and give them crap for not losing weight the right way (as if that's a thing that exists).

I'm almost beginning to think there are people out there who just aren't happy unless they are giving folks crap for something.

You sound F.A.T.

You sound P R I C K. I would rather be fat again


It was a reference to his (her?) handle, genius.

And you sound hungry.
 
2013-10-11 07:31:36 PM  
I had a relative die from obesity. Her ex and her son had their respective come to Jesus moments and stopped drinking beer and eating crap food. They both lost weight. A number of us have discussed it and several of us started watching our weight (meaning if it creeps up by 5-20 pounds, something gets done about it).  Her brother was obese for years and dropped beer/scotch and snacks after throwing out his back due to his big gut.

However, when obese people I know socially complain about their weight, I'm not allowed to talk, because with a BMI of 22, I apparently don't know anything about weight control.

I suspect I will be burying a good  number of my peers, even the ones younger than me.
 
2013-10-11 07:39:03 PM  

Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.


... the hell? How is willpower not an option?
 
2013-10-11 07:53:13 PM  
I wonder if there's a plan where they land you on a desert island with a palette of water, a tent, a few tools, and a shaker of salt.
 
2013-10-11 08:02:27 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: I had a relative die from obesity. Her ex and her son had their respective come to Jesus moments and stopped drinking beer and eating crap food. They both lost weight. A number of us have discussed it and several of us started watching our weight (meaning if it creeps up by 5-20 pounds, something gets done about it).  Her brother was obese for years and dropped beer/scotch and snacks after throwing out his back due to his big gut.

However, when obese people I know socially complain about their weight, I'm not allowed to talk, because with a BMI of 22, I apparently don't know anything about weight control.

I suspect I will be burying a good  number of my peers, even the ones younger than me.


Well. all that digging should keep you in shape, right?
 
2013-10-11 08:05:03 PM  
I'm struggling with trying to eat healthier. I managed to drop a lot of weight years back but it was done mostly on a *starvation diet and I've gained a bunch back since then. *I did manage to cut out all soda and fast food for those couple years but I fell off the wagon. Trying to do it the right way this time around by weaning myself off crap food and eating healthier.

Trying not to snack late at night and watch my portion sizes. Also, pushing the plate away when I'm full even if there's still food left. Another big thing has been sorting out my cravings or eating for comfort as opposed to actual hunger. I found I was nibbling on stuff all the time for one reason or another. Now I try to avoid snacks and just wait until mealtimes. I can't say I've been terribly successful but I drink a lot more water these days and I've started introducing healthier foods to my diet. It's a start I guess.

Gastric bypass won't ever be an option. Do not want. I don't want the diabeetus or a heart attack either so.....
 
2013-10-11 08:13:54 PM  

Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.


I had my surgery in July 2008; I have kept my weight off since going onto maintenance-the stage you enter once the weight loss phase is done. This is where you learn to maintain a healthy weight.

The surgery is a tool to use, not a cure. If the person continues to eat incorrectly and not exercise, then it will not work.  I, too, have seen people gain the weight back and more. However, that is a failure in the individual's ability to make the required life changes, not the surgery.
 
2013-10-11 08:50:31 PM  
Not getting the surgery done by a quack helps too.

/Grew up skinny in a big fat family
//I'd be my ideal weight if I were four inches taller.
///I was fine until humans in general made me drink more
 
2013-10-11 08:51:30 PM  
For everyone who has gotten the band or sleeve, is there a risk of losing too much weight? If you're 100 pounds overweight, what stops you from losing the 100 then 50 more until you're underweight? I would be afraid of getting too thin.
 
2013-10-11 09:02:38 PM  

HillshirefarmsGOMEAT: For everyone who has gotten the band or sleeve, is there a risk of losing too much weight? If you're 100 pounds overweight, what stops you from losing the 100 then 50 more until you're underweight? I would be afraid of getting too thin.


It's a common question, actually. Your body weight drifts down until it finds a new set-point and then it just....stops. I really wanted to lose 100 pounds, I'm still 30 pounds overweight, but I'll take the 65 I've lost and kept off. I'm in a facebook group of a bunch of folks who had surgery the same week I did, and I'm in the lowest quartile for weight loss....but I'm also the oldest person. Average weight loss appeared to be predicated a bit on age too. 20 to 30 somethings lost a ton, 40 somethings slightly less, 50 somethings like me maybe 20% less.
 
2013-10-11 09:33:59 PM  
So, wait, it's better to lose weight by eating less, than having surgery to force yourself from eating less? Go figure.

So, if you can lose weight with a gastric band, should you not also be able to lose weight without? Or is that just a crazy notion?

/I realize it's not always that simple
//I also realize much of the time it is
 
2013-10-11 09:37:18 PM  

MechaPyx: I'm struggling with trying to eat healthier. I managed to drop a lot of weight years back but it was done mostly on a *starvation diet and I've gained a bunch back since then. *I did manage to cut out all soda and fast food for those couple years but I fell off the wagon. Trying to do it the right way this time around by weaning myself off crap food and eating healthier.

Trying not to snack late at night and watch my portion sizes. Also, pushing the plate away when I'm full even if there's still food left. Another big thing has been sorting out my cravings or eating for comfort as opposed to actual hunger. I found I was nibbling on stuff all the time for one reason or another. Now I try to avoid snacks and just wait until mealtimes. I can't say I've been terribly successful but I drink a lot more water these days and I've started introducing healthier foods to my diet. It's a start I guess.

Gastric bypass won't ever be an option. Do not want. I don't want the diabeetus or a heart attack either so.....


Good for you! The biggest thing I've seen/found is carbs and processed sugars. Replace your snacks with celery, jicama, carrots, apple slices, lots of good things to nibble that aren't bad for you. Water's wonderful, or tea if you want something with some flavor. I personally don't try to follow a "diet", those hard and fast rules just set you up for failure. Just keep a good mix of vegetables and meats on hand (just don't count potatoes as a veggie), reduce the number of (especially processed) carbs you eat and replace that eating with solid filling veggies like salad, broccoli, etc. It'll feel weird for a few weeks, but it's the best way to lose and keep a manageable weight, and if you learn to like a wide variety of veggies you don't even have to worry much about vitamins or anything any more. It's all in your food, the way it's supposed to be ;)

A lot of it just retraining your tongue on what tastes good. Veggies and such taste amazing after you've weaned yourself mostly off the sugars and high-carb foods. Good luck!
 
2013-10-11 10:58:55 PM  
My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:57 PM  

Myria: My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.


Who fed you this line of shiat?
 
2013-10-11 11:23:09 PM  

Yogimus: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

... the hell? How is willpower not an option?


Easy. It never factors in. You can control yourself, exercise and do all the right things and never drop an ounce. Being fat sometimes has nothing to do with diet, exercise or will power.

I am not talking about the idiot little snowflake people that think the world is against them, but it does happen.
 
2013-10-11 11:24:45 PM  

Shakespeare's Sister: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I had my surgery in July 2008; I have kept my weight off since going onto maintenance-the stage you enter once the weight loss phase is done. This is where you learn to maintain a healthy weight.

The surgery is a tool to use, not a cure. If the person continues to eat incorrectly and not exercise, then it will not work.  I, too, have seen people gain the weight back and more. However, that is a failure in the individual's ability to make the required life changes, not the surgery.


Marry me? this is exactly right.
 
2013-10-11 11:25:44 PM  

headstone: Myria: My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.

Who fed you this line of shiat?


It seems self-evident.  Unhealthy foods are unhealthy because they are so densely filled with nutrition - calories, fat, protein, vitamins, etc. - that you easily end up eating too much of them.
 
2013-10-11 11:40:20 PM  

Myria: headstone: Myria: My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.

Who fed you this line of shiat?

It seems self-evident.  Unhealthy foods are unhealthy because they are so densely filled with nutrition - calories, fat, protein, vitamins, etc. - that you easily end up eating too much of them.


ummm...wat? Unhealthy food are just that because they are too healthy?
 
2013-10-12 02:12:07 AM  
All these people with today's diseases of character -- things like "depression" and "morbid obesity" -- in my day we knew that anything other than visible trauma was caused by a personal failing and we expected people to deal with their problems without assistance or complaint [and get back to work]. I don't care what "doctors" and "science" say -- I know that obesity only affects bad people with no respect and no self control. I blame their parents; they probably didn't get hit enough when they were children. In my day if you saw a fatty you beat them until they lost a few pounds [of blood] and their parents thanked you for it.

--

There are some things people can try for self-treatment, and some people can accomplish significant weight loss without assistance. But telling fat people to "just eat less" is like telling depressed people to "just snap out of it" or telling people with PTSD to "just relax" -- totally useless advice from someone who doesn't understand the problem.
 
2013-10-12 02:39:46 AM  

Myria: headstone: Myria: My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.

Who fed you this line of shiat?

It seems self-evident.  Unhealthy foods are unhealthy because they are so densely filled with nutrition - calories, fat, protein, vitamins, etc. - that you easily end up eating too much of them.


Calories are not equivalent to nutrition. You can eat plenty of calories and still starve... look up rabbit starvation:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation Most high-calorie foods are lacking in essential vitamins unless they're explicitly fortified, and that's still not a good balance of vitamins in general.

It's a complete line of shiat, and if you use that as a basis for your diet you will starve or be malnourished. Other foods get you BETTER nutrition with fewer calories, and give you plenty of energy to work with. Our bodies evolved eating mostly plants and proteins, no major sources of highly concentrated sugars or carbohydrates, with more calories coming from fruits and vegetables than protein and fat (but not pure vegetarian). Speaking of self-evident, the closer you eat to that, the healthier and not-starved you'll be.
 
2013-10-12 03:23:32 AM  
Actual recipient of a gastric bypass here. I ate "normally" through my entire childhood. I would, unfortunately, get McDonald's once a week, that's about it.  I loved salad (and still do!). I had friends in school who would eat pizza, candy, chips, and cake for practically every meal and they never gained a pound, while I brought a single sandwich, a piece of fruit, and a diet soda for lunch. Still gained weight. I did my absolute best in PE, in spite of the teacher who weighed more than I did insisting that I was being lazy. But y'know what? I still managed to get to 450 pounds by the age of 19. The gastric bypass saved my life, and now, at 24, I'm down nearly 200 pounds and feeling amazing. This surgery saved my life. And beforehand, I had months of counseling to make sure I wasn't overweight because of disordered eating. They put me on a liquid diet for three weeks before the surgery. They made absolutely sure that I could handle it. I could only have liquids and pureed food for more than a month after, and I still have trouble with steaks and other "tough" meats. I cannot eat sugary or fried foods because they make me horribly sick. I can only eat maybe a cup's worth of food at a time. These kinds of surgeries are not cure-alls. They are not the easy way out. It's still hard for me, even after four years. I had to change my entire lifestyle, but it's completely worth it because I'm not going to be dead by 40 now.
/csb etc
 
2013-10-12 03:29:22 AM  

owlholder: Actual recipient of a gastric bypass here. I ate "normally" through my entire childhood. I would, unfortunately, get McDonald's once a week, that's about it.  I loved salad (and still do!). I had friends in school who would eat pizza, candy, chips, and cake for practically every meal and they never gained a pound, while I brought a single sandwich, a piece of fruit, and a diet soda for lunch. Still gained weight. I did my absolute best in PE, in spite of the teacher who weighed more than I did insisting that I was being lazy. But y'know what? I still managed to get to 450 pounds by the age of 19. The gastric bypass saved my life, and now, at 24, I'm down nearly 200 pounds and feeling amazing. This surgery saved my life. And beforehand, I had months of counseling to make sure I wasn't overweight because of disordered eating. They put me on a liquid diet for three weeks before the surgery. They made absolutely sure that I could handle it. I could only have liquids and pureed food for more than a month after, and I still have trouble with steaks and other "tough" meats. I cannot eat sugary or fried foods because they make me horribly sick. I can only eat maybe a cup's worth of food at a time. These kinds of surgeries are not cure-alls. They are not the easy way out. It's still hard for me, even after four years. I had to change my entire lifestyle, but it's completely worth it because I'm not going to be dead by 40 now.
/csb etc


Our stories are close
 
2013-10-12 06:42:50 AM  

Egoy3k: Cagey B: While I'm not sure how seriously to take a Daily Fail article on the matter, it is generally true that not eating quite so much is a better option than someone cutting you open and tinkering with your guts.

Telling an obese person to stop eating is like telling someone who is depressed to cheer up.

They may be 100% to blame for their condition but now that they are in it they in almost all cases need help to get out of it. Would you rather your hospital bills or taxes help fund critical emergency care for them or would you rather that they get less expensive intervention by a medical professional?  This intervention very well might include a gastric band.


False equivalency is false. Plenty of obese people make a lifestyle change and get fit every year, myself included. Quit asking us to buy-off on the bullshiat you've used to rationalize your own choices.
 
2013-10-12 07:00:41 AM  

Myria: headstone: Myria: My problem is that I severely dislike pretty much all foods that have low enough nutritional value to be "healthy" foods.  Yes, that's what healthy foods are - foods that are filling but have low nutritional value.

Who fed you this line of shiat?

It seems self-evident.  Unhealthy foods are unhealthy because they are so densely filled with nutrition - calories, fat, protein, vitamins, etc. - that you easily end up eating too much of them.


Calorie density and vitamin richness are quite often completely unrelated. Your "self evident" truth is not based in reality.
 
2013-10-12 08:12:30 AM  

Pitabred: MechaPyx: I'm struggling with trying to eat healthier. I managed to drop a lot of weight years back but it was done mostly on a *starvation diet and I've gained a bunch back since then. *I did manage to cut out all soda and fast food for those couple years but I fell off the wagon. Trying to do it the right way this time around by weaning myself off crap food and eating healthier.

Trying not to snack late at night and watch my portion sizes. Also, pushing the plate away when I'm full even if there's still food left. Another big thing has been sorting out my cravings or eating for comfort as opposed to actual hunger. I found I was nibbling on stuff all the time for one reason or another. Now I try to avoid snacks and just wait until mealtimes. I can't say I've been terribly successful but I drink a lot more water these days and I've started introducing healthier foods to my diet. It's a start I guess.

Gastric bypass won't ever be an option. Do not want. I don't want the diabeetus or a heart attack either so.....

Good for you! The biggest thing I've seen/found is carbs and processed sugars. Replace your snacks with celery, jicama, carrots, apple slices, lots of good things to nibble that aren't bad for you. Water's wonderful, or tea if you want something with some flavor. I personally don't try to follow a "diet", those hard and fast rules just set you up for failure. Just keep a good mix of vegetables and meats on hand (just don't count potatoes as a veggie), reduce the number of (especially processed) carbs you eat and replace that eating with solid filling veggies like salad, broccoli, etc. It'll feel weird for a few weeks, but it's the best way to lose and keep a manageable weight, and if you learn to like a wide variety of veggies you don't even have to worry much about vitamins or anything any more. It's all in your food, the way it's supposed to be ;)

A lot of it just retraining your tongue on what tastes good. Veggies and such taste amazing after you've we ...


I like a wide range of foods so finding something to eat isn't a problem. If anything I like food a little too much although I'm getting picky as I get older. My tastes have changed. I can't scarf down fast food like I used to. I still like the stuff but I look for better quality joints these days. I seem to have lost my appetite for microwaved stuff too. I still like sweets but in much smaller doses. Love me some bread and pasta though. Thing is even in smaller, restricted doses all those empty calories add up. Sometimes I just don't feel like cooking though so I end up turning to fast food or processed stuff. It's convenient but I recognize it as a crutch I lean on.

I'm not much on rules so I don't follow a particular diet regimen either. Mostly it's just trying to identify my eating habits and make changes where necessary(craving control, portion sizes, etc) and strike a good balance. Currently my diet is too carb/sugar/processed food heavy so I'm slowly moving my focus towards more fruits and veggies and less of the other. I won't try to eliminate that stuff completely but I do need to eat less of it.
 
2013-10-12 08:13:46 AM  
Was 305lbs this time last year, down to 232lbs this morning, aiming for 185-ish at 6' 1".

Eating less and exercising works.  It was getting commited to the daily change in lifestyle that was hard.  Trying to take an extra 60-90 minutes out of a busy day to exercise five or six days a week is hard.
 
2013-10-12 10:08:08 AM  

nytmare: wee: But fat people can't help it.  It's genetics, hormones, low metabolism, and all sorts of things.  Eating better and moving around more often just aren't viable options for people who are overweight.  Being fat is in no way their fault, and surgery is the only option sometimes.

Eating better and moving around more is a total and complete cure-all for excess weight. Bone structure, genetics, packaged foods, HFCS, marketing, none of those things have anything to do with it. All you have to do is walk a

Seacop: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: CaptainCliche: Oh good, a fatty hate thread! I can't wait for everyone to tell me that I should just eat less and exercise more! I totally never tried that!

Did you consistently eat 3-500 calories below your BMR (measured by a medical professional) for several weeks and fail to lose fat?


I watched my wife (after two kids) go to a nutritionist and join a health club with free access to an on staff trainer. During that time she portioned out everything, went to the gym every morning, walked every afternoon. She desperately wanted to lose weight. Lost nothing over a 6 week period, and no decrease in BF either.  She had lap band, saw the lap band nutritionist, kept going to the gym and incorporated Zumba.

Two years later she's lost 60lbs and is loving life so much better. She's evened out what shes eating, (watches but no longer measures) and just does Zumba 5 days a week. She's down to losing two - four  pounds every month, wants to lose 30 more lbs, but doesn't want it all at once.

Some people need help.

more and eat a little less and soon you'll be skinny and attractive. It's so easy, anyone can do it. In fact, this is why every single person in the first world is so healthy and right sized.


Thing is, when she was exercising, but not losing weight, she was still eating far too much. I mean, really a lap band does nothing that simply eating less would do. All it does is make them "full" sooner. The behavior induced by the band is available to the individual by simply gaining the willpower to stop eating even though they are hungry.

Now for many that's not as easy to do as it is for another to say it, but those saying that treating the eating disorder (re: the percieved hunger) and any associated food addiction is the way to go before going the surgical route are correct imo.

/glad your wife is healthier
 
2013-10-12 10:32:15 AM  
True story: A friend of mine worked at one of these clinics that does gastric bands. One year one of the other nurses decided it would be a good morale booster to go look up some of the past patients & see how many were successful keeping the weight off.

So she started calling up past clients to gather success stories. She couldnt find one.

She eventually gave up... and also left the company to go do something that actually helps people.
 
2013-10-12 10:37:07 AM  

KatjaMouse: safeinsane: I started losing weight once my son was born in 2004 and met my goal (100 pounds) in 2008. Gained some back but as long as I can run and cycle, I'm happy with it.

/hated being a fatty

Yeesh how short are you?


Not sure I follow this...but I'm 5' 10"...
 
2013-10-12 10:58:18 AM  

Ant: sign_of_Zeta: I will say the fat shaming that occurs (even by many health professionals) usually just depresses fat people and makes them want to eat more

This.

Being fat is a mental issue. All fat people know that expending more calories than you take in will make you lose weight. Telling them shiat like that is like telling a depressed person to just snap out of it and think happy thoughts.


So true - the bands, bypasses and sleeves are for those who know what they need to do, but are admitting that they cannot because they don't have the willpower. I think the fark vitriol is because of those who rather admit they cannot, get surgery simply because they will not modify their behavior without some kind of physical compulsion.
 
2013-10-12 11:01:12 AM  

Piizzadude: Yogimus: Piizzadude: Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

... the hell? How is willpower not an option?

Easy. It never factors in. You can control yourself, exercise and do all the right things and never drop an ounce. Being fat sometimes has nothing to do with diet, exercise or will power.

I am not talking about the idiot little snowflake people that think the world is against them, but it does happen.


Please tell me what kind of amazing metabolism violates thermodynamics please so I can patent their biochemistry and start making power plants...
 
2013-10-12 11:52:04 AM  

safeinsane: KatjaMouse: safeinsane: I started losing weight once my son was born in 2004 and met my goal (100 pounds) in 2008. Gained some back but as long as I can run and cycle, I'm happy with it.

/hated being a fatty

Yeesh how short are you?

Not sure I follow this...but I'm 5' 10"...


Your goal is to be 100lbs at 5'10"? I'm 5'6" and my "ideal weight" according to medical professionals and nutritionists is 135. 5'10" and 100 lbs would look like Skeletor.

Unless of course your "goal" was to lose 100 lbs.
 
2013-10-12 12:23:18 PM  

Piizzadude: Shakespeare's Sister: Piizzadude: ShawnDoc: First, I admit I don't have a large sample size to draw from, and this is just anecdote.  But every person I know who has gotten some form of gastric bypass/belly band, got ridiculously skinny at first, but ended up overweight again after 5 years or so.

Thats on them. You can "eat through" the surgery. I am going on 10 years now and still have all the weight off.

Sometimes exercise and will power are not an option. It happens and get off your high horses.

I had my surgery in July 2008; I have kept my weight off since going onto maintenance-the stage you enter once the weight loss phase is done. This is where you learn to maintain a healthy weight.

The surgery is a tool to use, not a cure. If the person continues to eat incorrectly and not exercise, then it will not work.  I, too, have seen people gain the weight back and more. However, that is a failure in the individual's ability to make the required life changes, not the surgery.

Marry me? this is exactly right.


I would be pleased to, but my husband may not like the idea. Thank you for the kind request and the smile it brought to my face.
 
2013-10-12 12:59:34 PM  
Start with the simple things, it helps to do the bigger things later on. At my peak I was 275... I graduated high school at 145. I came out of basic training at 225. I'm now back to that weight. The thing that helped me the most was switching from soda to homebrewed iced tea. Yeah, I still put sugar in it, but it's not HFCS, and I've been reducing the amount of sugar I've been putting in it. I've been eating less portion-wise, but not changing my diet. I enjoy my food, but don't overindulge in it anymore. I still have my snacks every now and then, but again, I don't overindulge... If I can do that, anyone can.
 
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