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(Kotaku)   Good idea: Asking people to tweet about the fun they're having at the convention. Bad Idea: Doing it for them. Stupid Idea: Without their permission or knowledge   (kotaku.com ) divider line
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3203 clicks; posted to Geek » on 11 Oct 2013 at 2:17 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-10-11 01:19:51 PM  
Twitter allows 3rd parties to twit for you, and this is built into the system?
 
2013-10-11 02:24:59 PM  

impaler: Twitter allows 3rd parties to twit for you, and this is built into the system?


So does Facebook, and Google+, and the others. 99.9% of the time, it's used as a way to "Share" something without having to cut-and-paste, or go through a multi-step process. (ie. If I have Instagram linked to my Twitter and FB accounts, I can simply click the "share with..." button on a photo, and the Instagram app will automatically post it on my FB feed or whatever.)

I'm assuming that everyone here thought the same thing: "Oh, cool, so I can wave my badge at a booth or panel scanner and have Twitter automatically update my location." NYCC, however, interpreted it as "We can post badly-written PR-speak for you as soon as you walk in the door, without asking you first."
 
2013-10-11 02:30:19 PM  
I'd like to say that I'm surprised by this, but I've had to deal with the folks behind NYCC for several years.

My only surprise is that they didn't try to do it sooner.

/good example of a nice con that's really poorly run
 
2013-10-11 02:34:40 PM  
Generally, this shiat asks you: "may we have access to your account for posting your locations and shiat?" And when you answer "yes", this program can pretty much go on a rampage posting under your name.

*shrug* that's the social networks for you: robots talking with robots.
 
2013-10-11 02:55:45 PM  
I wonder if the man-children involved will need extra Asperger's medicine to get through this inconceivable indignity.
 
2013-10-11 02:57:33 PM  
Wonder if anyone called in sick at work so they could go to the con. Be a shame if their boss saw them Twittering from a convention when they said they were too sick to work .
 
2013-10-11 03:02:40 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Wonder if anyone called in sick at work so they could go to the con. Be a shame if their boss saw them Twittering from a convention when they said they were too sick to work .


Well, to begin with, I'd not share my personal twitter with anyone at work.
 
2013-10-11 03:03:18 PM  

Grahor: Generally, this shiat asks you: "may we have access to your account for posting your locations and shiat?" And when you answer "yes", this program can pretty much go on a rampage posting under your name.

*shrug* that's the social networks for you: robots talking with robots.


This is the core of the issue.  The other part is that 99% of the time when a program asks for this access it is so it can cross-post when you initiate it, e.g. when some Android game app asks for the right to post things to Facebook it only uses that ability after the app asks you directly if you want to post something.  People assume this is how that has to operate.

The real problem is that there's no "must ask for approval per instance" option for permissions like that. It's either "can post whenever the app wants" or "app can never post at all ever".  For certain apps saying no to that permission prevents it from installing entirely, and in most cases there's no way to approve or deny abilities individually.

I think as crap like this happens more and more we'll see equally increasing demand for a way to require separate approval on the service-side, e.g. you can enable a setting on Facebook so that no matter what rights you grant apps, app-added posts sit in a queue waiting for manual approval from you which can only be done through Facebook itself.  I say "demand", but note that I don't say if we'll see it or not.  Maybe Facebook and Twitter like bags of money enough that unscrupulous developers could leave some out for them if they'd just hold back on that feature.
 
2013-10-11 03:32:06 PM  
self-obsessed people problems
 
2013-10-11 03:42:53 PM  
Stupidest idea: Thinking Twitter matters.
 
2013-10-11 03:58:53 PM  
What are you talking about, subby? It. is. awesome. Also, this weird trick for adding $1,000 to your social security checks really works; but not as well as these vinegar-based cures! #NYCC #NotABot #YOLO #Swag
 
2013-10-11 04:32:45 PM  

impaler: Twitter allows 3rd parties to twit for you, and this is built into the system?


If the service is free you are the product, not the customer.

So yes, it's not remotely surprising.

Also: unless it's mandatory, I simply say 'no, I don't give that out' when asked for phone, email, address, etc. and if it IS mandatory I decline to make my purchase and move on. There are a hundred stores near me I can buy that at, yours was just on my way.

So far no one gives me grief except amusingly enough, steam, who is happy to accept 111 222 1111 as a phone number.
 
2013-10-11 05:14:57 PM  
Funny watching people post on their timeline telling everyone to stop inviting them to play the game of the moment. But not realizing that the invitation was automatically generated and the "offender" blissfully unaware it had been sent in their name.
 
2013-10-11 05:58:12 PM  
The Internet needed a laughtrack.
 
2013-10-11 07:05:43 PM  

kroonermanblack: So far no one gives me grief except amusingly enough, steam, who is happy to accept 111 222 1111 as a phone number.


For mandatory phone number entries I usually look up the phone number for the nearest Wal-Mart.  Never failed me so far, provided I have a matching zip code.
 
2013-10-11 07:46:52 PM  
If you did this with their accounts, you would be in prison.
 
2013-10-11 07:50:06 PM  

kroonermanblack: So far no one gives me grief except amusingly enough, steam, who is happy to accept 111 222 1111 as a phone number.


Steam needs phone numbers?  This is a first heard for me, I don't remember giving it any, meanwhile I also don't remember purchasing Tentacle Might vs Loose Blouse I-IX either.
 
2013-10-11 07:53:20 PM  

BumpInTheNight: meanwhile I also don't remember purchasing Tentacle Might vs Loose Blouse I-IX either


..but you're glad you did!
 
2013-10-11 09:19:47 PM  
Can't.handle.the.awesome.
 
2013-10-11 09:54:57 PM  

Grahor: Generally, this shiat asks you: "may we have access to your account for posting your locations and shiat?" And when you answer "yes", this program can pretty much go on a rampage posting under your name.

*shrug* that's the social networks for you: robots talking with robots.


That's what one gets for giving out one's passwords.

/suck it, dumbasses
 
2013-10-11 10:50:40 PM  
They agreed to let the con do that by installing their app.
Not reading Terms of Service≠ Without their permission and knowledge.
Next year, they should see how many people they can get to agree to a human centipede.
 
2013-10-11 11:00:18 PM  

JonZoidberg: They agreed to let the con do that by installing their app.
Not reading Terms of Service≠ Without their permission and knowledge.
Next year, they should see how many people they can get to agree to a human centipede.


Yep. This was clearly stated and I declined.
 
2013-10-11 11:20:18 PM  

BumpInTheNight: kroonermanblack: So far no one gives me grief except amusingly enough, steam, who is happy to accept 111 222 1111 as a phone number.

Steam needs phone numbers?  This is a first heard for me, I don't remember giving it any, meanwhile I also don't remember purchasing Tentacle Might vs Loose Blouse I-IX either.


Ha! Steam doesn't sell hentai games.

And ya. It asks when you put in a CC number. I keep mine out of there because it helps slow down my random purchases.  Can't enter a CC without a phone number.

Honestly, I stopped giving out any of my metric data when I was getting a ton of 'YOU HAVE WON A FREE CRUISE!!!' calls, and 'YOU HAVE WON A FREE GIFTCARD!!!' texts.  One of the other places that has a raging hard on for that stuff is farking guitar center. Go in and buy a pack of picks? 'Can I have your phone number?'  Sorry, I don't give that out. "Ok then!". They're always pleasant, and I try to be polite, it's just annoying.
 
2013-10-11 11:46:32 PM  
So is NYCC still a comic con, or is it a cosplay/movie/video game/advertising media con with a few comic booths hiding in the back?

I miss comic cons. You know, events where you walk in and it's all comic books being bought, sold, signed, and traded. Events where comic artists and writers get a booth to tell you about their new project. Events where there are no throngs of scantily-clad girls posing for pictures, and the only people in costume are booth babes or official mascots (and honestly, I could do without the booth babes and mascots; They were distracting.)

I miss walking into a room full of people talking about comics, where nobody was promoting a movie or video game, or trying to get on "Ten Best Cosplay" lists, or fighting to meet the cast of a TV show that has never even been a comic book. I miss cons where indie artists wander around trying to hook up with indie writers to make something new. I miss cons where some guy who hasn't stepped outside of his comic shop in 250 days brings in several boxes full of weird old comics and sells them cheap just to make space.

I miss cons where there's no manga, no teenage girls giggling in large groups, no bros who've never picked up a comic in their life, no news crews trying to get shots of the nerds for the news. ..

I know. I'm old and shaking my fist at a cloud. Those cons are gone, now. They've been replaced with media spectacles. Geek chic has killed the intimate gatherings of comic-loving nerds, pulled the comics out of the comic convention, and invited people who don't care about the value of Amazing Fantasy #15, but DO care about whether some college girl who has never opened an issue of Amazing Spider-Man in her life got the color scheme on her Leeloo costume just right.

Why don't they get it over and just call them Mainstream Geek Pop Culture Conventions, now?

www.democracyfornewmexico.com
 
2013-10-12 12:14:04 AM  

yukichigai: The real problem is that there's no "must ask for approval per instance" option for permissions like that. It's either "can post whenever the app wants" or "app can never post at all ever". For certain apps saying no to that permission prevents it from installing entirely, and in most cases there's no way to approve or deny abilities individually.


I have a problem with this.  I'm pretty technologically literate (I can build a computer!) but I'm baffled as to the permissions I "have to" grant when installing apps on my phone.

Why does Escape the Room need "full internet access"?  Why does it need to "read phone state and identity"?   Why does it need access to SMS messages?  Why does it need to "discover known accounts"?

Why does a simple point and click game need all those permissions?  They don't tell you.

People are so used to just clicking "okay" now instead of reading the terms and conditions because they're inscrutable and baffling, that this shouldn't come as a surprise at all.

The NSA should just put out a killer app like Candy Crush or Angry Birds, all the plebs will give them permission to rape their phones without a second thought.  I'd be surprised if they're not trying.
 
2013-10-12 04:23:31 AM  
>>The NSA should just put out a killer app like Candy Crush or Angry Birds, all the plebs will give them permission to rape their phones without a second thought.  I'd be surprised if they're not trying. <<

They don't need to. The ability for them to rape your phone is built-in into iOS, Android and Windows, and to some extent into your hardware. They don't need your permission.
 
2013-10-12 06:41:17 AM  

kroonermanblack: And ya. It asks when you put in a CC number. I keep mine out of there because it helps slow down my random purchases. Can't enter a CC without a phone number.

Honestly, I stopped giving out any of my metric data when I was getting a ton of 'YOU HAVE WON A FREE CRUISE!!!' calls, and 'YOU HAVE WON A FREE GIFTCARD!!!' texts. One of the other places that has a raging hard on for that stuff is farking guitar center. Go in and buy a pack of picks? 'Can I have your phone number?' Sorry, I don't give that out. "Ok then!". They're always pleasant, and I try to be polite, it's just annoying.


No kidding eh I guess I just haven't changed my credit card info on there in a long time.  I hear you about being a little more guarded about handing out phone numbers and email, I'm all about the "I'd prefer not to" as a response and its never really been challenged but recently I was at a conference and I neglected to realize the sign-up info was going to be onboard the badges rfid style.  Getting cold sales calls and spam for the first time in years, no longer thinking the mountain of ill-fitting & ugly t-shirts was worth it. :P
 
2013-10-12 07:39:21 AM  
They agreed to the TOS when they clicked accept. Nothing to see here
 
2013-10-12 02:27:53 PM  
Idiots
 
2013-10-12 02:29:00 PM  
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