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2013-10-11 04:09:01 PM

crab66: All jokes aside. This will probably be really bad.

One of the most densely populated coastlines in the world that is very vulnerable to storm surge and has relatively poor infrastructure.


Understatement fo the year. Even normal storms can cause devastating floods in Bangladesh because of how low lying it is....At Cat 5 storm going stright up the Bay of Bengal? six digit death tolls would not be out of the question...God almighty, this could get really bad...
 
2013-10-11 04:09:35 PM

Dr Dreidel: factoryconnection: EnderX: When the winds dip below cyclone strength then they will call it Super Storm Phailin, that way the Prime Minister can pretend that he had to deal with a catastrophe instead of just a plain rain storm and get some political gain out of it.

EnderX: When the winds dip below cyclone strength then they will call it Super Storm Phailin, that way the Prime Minister can pretend that he had to deal with a catastrophe instead of just a plain rain storm and get some political gain out of it.

This wasn't funny the first time, but damn it if it isn't the rib-ticklingest, knee-slappingest, belly-laughingest political joke I've heard in ages the second time around!

Keep up the incredible work.

What EnderX is explaining is where the gain due to rain will fall, mainly.


'splain?
 
2013-10-11 04:11:21 PM

0z79: I remember a documentary on storm systems that I watched, years ago, which mentioned a substance which loved water; a fairly small bag would turn a 55-gallon drum of water into a sort of chemical gelatin within seconds. The goal was to drop it from aircraft and disrupt incoming severe weather.

It had footage of several tons of the stuff being spread over a tropical storm which was threatening to become a hurricane; this powder <i>ate</i> an entire cloudbank, and even after most of it was absorbed by the upper layers, you could see the entire system thinning all the way down.

The near-hurricane had dispersed into an average-for-the-area typhoon by the time it made landfall, though there was a great deal of a strange, gelatinous substance coming down with all that rain. While it dissolved and became inert fairly quickly, it was said that pets which came into contact with it had minor neurological problems, such as tremors and unsteady gait for a few hours.

This was before the Internet was nearly as useful as it is now, so I couldn't find information on it at the time and now, I don't know where to start looking; I keep coming up short. :/

It does beg a very interesting question, though; IF this stuff works as advertised and IF it can break a hurricane down to a regular storm, which do you choose; the damage from a category 5 hurricane, or a mostly untried substance of unknown toxicity raining down, forcing people to remain indoors while they wait for it to evaporate?



Never heard of that before.  It kinda reminds me of the old idea of tugging a huge ice berg into the path of the storm.

Here's the thing...  What you're proposing there sounds quite impossible.  There are many factors over an incredibly broad area from the surface to way up in the atmosphere that affect how a storm forms and acts.  Water is only one component.  Try to absorb that water with some sort of chemical sponge would actually ADD to the swirling mass.  Considering that the storm is constantly gathering more water from the ocean as it goes, I can't see how it would make much difference.  And, wow, what a mess that would make.
 
2013-10-11 04:12:58 PM
/haha.jpg
 
2013-10-11 04:13:21 PM

YoOjo: Holy Cow!!!


You are a son of a biatch, and I love you.

+1
 
2013-10-11 04:26:57 PM
The cyclone to nowhere?

Nice one subby.
 
2013-10-11 04:27:28 PM
Everybody hide!
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-11 04:27:32 PM
0z79 "The goal was to drop it from aircraft and disrupt incoming severe weather."

Dyn-o-gel? The short version is, even if it worked exactly as advertised, even if it was as safe as advertised, you couldn't put enough of it in front of a large storm to make a difference.
And trying to play wack-a-mole with smaller systems fails for the same reason: assuming you had enough goop to take down enough smaller systems to reduce the atmospheric energy of an area such that it couldn't develop a monster storm, requires a similar amount as it would take to stop the monster storm when/if it actually appeared. (The energy in the atmosphere doesn't just go away because you stopped a given storm from building)

It's the same basic problem with "nuke the storm" suggestions. People just don't appreciate the quantities of energy involved in these storms. You might as well say that you're going to throw pebbles at a semi trailer to bring it to a stop. It could work, in theory. Given enough energy to accumulate and then accelerate enough pebbles. But if you had enough political support to marshal sufficient resources, you'd have been better served by building better infrastructure in the first place, so that speeding semis didn't present such a problem.
 
2013-10-11 04:28:21 PM

durbnpoisn: 0z79: I remember a documentary on storm systems that I watched, years ago, which mentioned a substance which loved water; a fairly small bag would turn a 55-gallon drum of water into a sort of chemical gelatin within seconds. The goal was to drop it from aircraft and disrupt incoming severe weather.

It had footage of several tons of the stuff being spread over a tropical storm which was threatening to become a hurricane; this powder <i>ate</i> an entire cloudbank, and even after most of it was absorbed by the upper layers, you could see the entire system thinning all the way down.

The near-hurricane had dispersed into an average-for-the-area typhoon by the time it made landfall, though there was a great deal of a strange, gelatinous substance coming down with all that rain. While it dissolved and became inert fairly quickly, it was said that pets which came into contact with it had minor neurological problems, such as tremors and unsteady gait for a few hours.

This was before the Internet was nearly as useful as it is now, so I couldn't find information on it at the time and now, I don't know where to start looking; I keep coming up short. :/

It does beg a very interesting question, though; IF this stuff works as advertised and IF it can break a hurricane down to a regular storm, which do you choose; the damage from a category 5 hurricane, or a mostly untried substance of unknown toxicity raining down, forcing people to remain indoors while they wait for it to evaporate?


Never heard of that before.  It kinda reminds me of the old idea of tugging a huge ice berg into the path of the storm.

Here's the thing...  What you're proposing there sounds quite impossible.  There are many factors over an incredibly broad area from the surface to way up in the atmosphere that affect how a storm forms and acts.  Water is only one component.  Try to absorb that water with some sort of chemical sponge would actually ADD to the swirling mass.  Considering that the ...


That makes sense; shoot.

It's still a pretty interesting hypothetical question, though: If it were possible to disperse a severe storm yet still left tons and tons of sludge to clean up, would it be worth it?

Oh, and thanks to the people who responded with "Dyno-Gel" and "Dyno-Storm" links!

/navel gazing
 
2013-10-11 04:28:48 PM

special20: Everybody hide!
[i.imgur.com image 372x257]


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
 
2013-10-11 04:29:27 PM

crab66: All jokes aside. This will probably be really bad.

One of the most densely populated coastlines in the world that is very vulnerable to storm surge and has relatively poor infrastructure.


But when the area gets wiped out you can relocate all the people and build some shiny resort hotels!
 
2013-10-11 04:30:58 PM

0z79: I remember a documentary on storm systems that I watched, years ago, which mentioned a substance which loved water; a fairly small bag would turn a 55-gallon drum of water into a sort of chemical gelatin within seconds. The goal was to drop it from aircraft and disrupt incoming severe weather.

It had footage of several tons of the stuff being spread over a tropical storm which was threatening to become a hurricane; this powder <i>ate</i> an entire cloudbank, and even after most of it was absorbed by the upper layers, you could see the entire system thinning all the way down.

The near-hurricane had dispersed into an average-for-the-area typhoon by the time it made landfall, though there was a great deal of a strange, gelatinous substance coming down with all that rain. While it dissolved and became inert fairly quickly, it was said that pets which came into contact with it had minor neurological problems, such as tremors and unsteady gait for a few hours.

This was before the Internet was nearly as useful as it is now, so I couldn't find information on it at the time and now, I don't know where to start looking; I keep coming up short. :/

It does beg a very interesting question, though; IF this stuff works as advertised and IF it can break a hurricane down to a regular storm, which do you choose; the damage from a category 5 hurricane, or a mostly untried substance of unknown toxicity raining down, forcing people to remain indoors while they wait for it to evaporate?


Yeah that's just what we need, ducking around with ice 9.
 
2013-10-11 04:34:24 PM
WHIRL, BABY, WHIRL
 
2013-10-11 04:34:42 PM

abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.


I'm going to guess you probably couldn't locate India on a world map, right?
 
2013-10-11 04:35:52 PM

Tom-Servo: FTA: "based on satellite images..."

So, how accurate is that compared to the C130's that actually fly into the storms here (US) to take measurements?

I wonder if its as accurate as an IT resume that comes from that region.


There are a couple of US groups that make wind estimates based upon satellite images of storms.  They are pretty good, but aircraft measurements are obviously more reliable.

Make no mistake though, this thing is a monster.
 
2013-10-11 04:35:54 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-11 04:38:20 PM
Hopefully they don't drop that durka durk.
 
2013-10-11 04:41:36 PM

fusillade762: crab66: All jokes aside. This will probably be really bad.

One of the most densely populated coastlines in the world that is very vulnerable to storm surge and has relatively poor infrastructure.

But when the area gets wiped out you can relocate all the people and build some shiny resort hotels!


3.bp.blogspot.com
Just a little readjustment.
 
2013-10-11 05:01:44 PM
That thing looks huge. Good news is that it isn't heading for Bangladesh or Calcutta. Bad news is, where it hits, there will still be lots of people. There is no way that it would possible to get people evacuated.

There is going to be a monster death toll.

/Glad my friends in Chennai are going to be safe.
 
2013-10-11 05:05:15 PM
Most of y'all are phailin'
 
2013-10-11 05:10:35 PM

whatshisname: abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.

I'm going to guess you probably couldn't locate India on a world map, right?


Sure he can, it's right between Civilization and Take-Out Food!

/ Maybe a little south of Nesting Dolls?

// Seriously, this is awful... praying, and I'm an Atheist.
 
2013-10-11 05:14:48 PM

desertfool: That thing looks huge. Good news is that it isn't heading for Bangladesh or Calcutta. Bad news is, where it hits, there will still be lots of people. There is no way that it would possible to get people evacuated.

There is going to be a monster death toll.

/Glad my friends in Chennai are going to be safe.


Here's hoping re: your friends, dude.  Much love and safety.

/ If it does get too close to Kolkata, this is gonna be a REALLY shiatty day... month... year, probably... for my ex's entire extended family :(
 
2013-10-11 05:32:35 PM
What's the main difference in Sara Palin's mouth and her vagina?

Only 1 retarded thing has ever came out of her vagina
 
2013-10-11 05:38:59 PM

whatshisname: abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.

I'm going to guess you probably couldn't locate India on a world map, right?


It's simply trying to live up to its handle.

/it's trying far too hard
//instead of 'abhorrent1' more like 'pimply_attentionwhore'
///needz moar subtlety
 
2013-10-11 05:39:56 PM
195 mph gusts...yikes!
 
2013-10-11 05:44:01 PM

Make More Hinjews: desertfool: That thing looks huge. Good news is that it isn't heading for Bangladesh or Calcutta. Bad news is, where it hits, there will still be lots of people. There is no way that it would possible to get people evacuated.

There is going to be a monster death toll.

/Glad my friends in Chennai are going to be safe.

Here's hoping re: your friends, dude.  Much love and safety.

/ If it does get too close to Kolkata, this is gonna be a REALLY shiatty day... month... year, probably... for my ex's entire extended family :(


The images I've seen showed the eye going south of West Bengal but I imagine that the wind and swells will cause damage all the way thru WB to Bangladesh even.
 
2013-10-11 05:46:24 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: mbillips: I hope the infrastructure in that area has changed along with India's economy since 1999. Hard to evacuate when you're on foot or riding an oxcart.

I think they take the train now.

All of them.

At the same time.


So when the tornado hits them, it suddenly looks like that movie, Skyline.

/holy balls, that movie was terrible
 
2013-10-11 05:47:02 PM
Yep.

Kolkata: The city is on tenterhooks as Cyclone Phailin, forming over the Bay of Bengal, threatens to dampen the rest of the five-day Durga Puja festival.
According to the meteorological department, the cyclone is expected to make landfall on the West Bengal-Odish coast around Saturday evening bringing in torrential rainfall with winds expected to reach speeds of 205km per hour.

GulfNews
 
2013-10-11 05:47:03 PM
TFA: "Twenty-six of the thirty-five deadliest tropical cyclones in world history have been Bay of Bengal storms," Masters writes. "During the past two centuries, 42% of Earth's tropical cyclone-associated deaths have occurred in Bangladesh, and 27% have occurred in India (Nicholls et al., 1995.)"

Not to worry -- They should be used to storms like that by now.

// Or perhaps not..

"In 1999, the Odisha cyclone - taking a similar course to Phailin  - made landfall as a category 4 cyclone with 155 mph sustained winds. The storm killed approximately 15,000 people.  Many perished from the storm surge - the wall of water pushed ashore by Odisha's winds - of up to 26 feet."
 
2013-10-11 05:53:55 PM

YoOjo: Kolkata: The city is on tenterhooks as Cyclone Phailin, forming over the Bay of Bengal, threatens to dampen the rest of the five-day Durga Puja festival.


The Durga Puja festival!?! Not the Durga Puja festival! Who will save us from the evil buffalo?
 
2013-10-11 06:00:28 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: YoOjo: Holy Cow!!!

[img1.etsystatic.com image 170x135]


eatwatchrun.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-11 06:07:59 PM
I wish there was an ark to save the women.
 
2013-10-11 06:12:02 PM

abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.


cache2.allpostersimages.com
 
2013-10-11 06:31:40 PM

whatshisname: abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.

I'm going to guess you probably couldn't locate India on a world map, right?


You'd be guessing wrong but thanks for playing. Now bring me my late.
 
2013-10-11 06:42:22 PM

abhorrent1: whatshisname: abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.

I'm going to guess you probably couldn't locate India on a world map, right?

You'd be guessing wrong but thanks for playing. Now bring me my late.


How do you bring someone a concept?
 
2013-10-11 09:00:36 PM
I hope it isn't as bad as it looks... That is one of the worst spots on the planet for a big storm to hit. Bad infrastructure, low land, and tons of people.
 
2013-10-11 09:17:24 PM
""Due to unusually high call volume, our wait time is greater than expected..."

At least they'll still have the same message playing at all of the call centers.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:39 PM
So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

www.goes.noaa.gov
 
2013-10-11 10:30:27 PM
My Dad is supposed to fly out from New Delhi on Tuesday. I don't think my family is in danger since they're way up in Punjab, but the ensuing chaos could affect them. Funny(?) how that's almost a "first world problem" in comparison to what the east coast is about to endure.

 
2013-10-11 10:36:25 PM

AndyChrist_AUS: abhorrent1: Fark that place. Hope it washes it clean.

[cache2.allpostersimages.com image 400x300]


Very good Sir!
 
2013-10-11 10:51:23 PM

Reverend J: So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

[www.goes.noaa.gov image 720x720]


Thats current? Oh dear, the 12th?  Ok this might not be funny in a day or two.  Winds dying down? No?

May be about to break some records with this one.
 
2013-10-11 11:23:01 PM
Relax. It's just a cyclone. It's not like it's dangerous like a hurricane.
 
2013-10-11 11:32:08 PM
Class Three Killstorm.
 
2013-10-11 11:40:30 PM

Reverend J: So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

[www.goes.noaa.gov image 720x720]


I don't see the USA on that map so I can't get a read of the magnitude
 
2013-10-12 12:40:11 AM

trappedspirit: Reverend J: So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

[www.goes.noaa.gov image 720x720]

I don't see the USA on that map so I can't get a read of the magnitude


It's derp plus 11
 
2013-10-12 01:36:23 AM

trappedspirit: Reverend J: So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

[www.goes.noaa.gov image 720x720]

I don't see the USA on that map so I can't get a read of the magnitude


I've heard this storm is equivalent to Katrina in size, but much, much, much faster.

www.globalwarmingart.com
 
2013-10-12 01:37:03 AM

orclover: Reverend J: So you can get a sense of the scale of the storm:

[www.goes.noaa.gov image 720x720]

Thats current? Oh dear, the 12th?  Ok this might not be funny in a day or two.  Winds dying down? No?

May be about to break some records with this one.


Yeah that's a pretty recent picture, it was still at cat 5 with 160 mph winds at 8pm EST, it's going to be a cat 3 this time tomorrow after being over landfall for over 24 hours just gives you an idea of how strong this storm is.
 
2013-10-12 02:30:53 AM

Apos: Legitimate HOTY contender. Well done, subby!


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