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(KRQE News)   What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt and ominous Mom of prayer, meant in croaking "Neverwhere"   (krqe.com) divider line 37
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2013-10-11 12:20:41 PM
8 votes:
I don't actually think there's anything explicit in Neverwhere.

I'm amazed that one complaint constantly outweighs dozens of supporters.
2013-10-11 12:22:56 PM
5 votes:
I've never understood the philosophy where ONE (ignorant) parent can make an entire school system adjust their teaching curriculum.
2013-10-11 12:22:27 PM
5 votes:
"I knew there were done somethin' wrong with that ol' book when it said right on the front it were wrote by a Gay-man."

*reads article*

"A parent can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said. "You rely on your school to do that for you."

Seriously, woman? If you have issues with reading such a ginormous book, then perhaps you have no business poking about with literature at all.
2013-10-11 12:32:58 PM
4 votes:

Talos: I've never understood the philosophy where ONE (ignorant) parent can make an entire school system adjust their teaching curriculum.


The comment section has a poster who claims she helped walk the mother through this.  The interesting thing was that, according to this person, it started as an effort to just not require her daughter to read it, to which the school officials refused.  The subsequent elevating the issue to the school board is what led to it being taken off the circullum.   This isn't the same as being "banned"...it's just not being taught anymore.

That said, the whole thing is stupid and the mom's thoughts on parental responsibility and childrearing are disgraceful.
2013-10-11 12:29:18 PM
4 votes:
I think it's a great book, but it does seem a somewhat odd choice for required reading.

Maybe they should split the list into options; one for kids who want to someday move out of Alamogordo, New Mexico, and one for those who don't.
2013-10-11 12:31:21 PM
3 votes:

FunkOut: "A parent I can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said. "You rely on your school to do that for you."

2013-10-11 12:22:17 PM
3 votes:

Dafatone: I'm amazed that one complaint constantly outweighs dozens of supporters.


Gaze on the glory of appeasement. Never will you see a weaker will then one who would rather not fight at all.
2013-10-11 12:21:10 PM
3 votes:
Clutch your pearls harder, you fretting victorian trash. The only thing that makes this douche-baggery worse is she attention-whored it to the news.
2013-10-11 12:53:02 PM
2 votes:
Kids get to read Neil Gaiman in school now??  I mean, I got stuck with "Of Mice and Men" and "The Old Man and the Sea."  I had to find all the good literature, that didn't feel like they were ripping years out of my soul, on my own.
2013-10-11 12:40:06 PM
2 votes:

The Slush: "A parent can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said. "You rely on your school to do that for you."

Wow.


In her defense, as a parent, you can't be expected to read every book your child might pick up from cover to cover. Not only is there not enough time in the day but then when do you do reading for yourself?

However, I find it difficult to believe there are many books worth studying that are inappropriate for high school age kids.
2013-10-11 12:37:18 PM
2 votes:
"A parent can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said. "You rely on your school to do that for you."

I honestly have no word to describe how this makes me feel. It's sort of violent hatred mixed with soul crushing depression.

Hatepressed?  Demurderous?

I bet there is a German word for it.
2013-10-11 12:34:38 PM
2 votes:
I love how one woman with a stick up her ass can get a book banned because she says it offends her. That school has hundreds of mother's who are fine with the book, but because one mother is offended it MUST be banned! Schools cave so easy and are just generally run by complete idiots with their zero tolerance policies, etc.

You're offended? SO F*CKING WHAT????
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2013-10-11 12:33:07 PM
2 votes:
I know a book that has volumes of violence,torture,rape and sex in it that she would probably love to be required reading.

the Bible
2013-10-11 12:22:59 PM
2 votes:

dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?


I am just amazed that they require reading in Arizona.
2013-10-11 12:21:45 PM
2 votes:
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2013-10-11 03:41:33 PM
1 votes:

Walker: You're offended? SO F*CKING WHAT????


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"Being offended is the natural consequence of leaving one's home."
2013-10-11 03:04:50 PM
1 votes:

noitsnot: lockers: dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?

I am just amazed that they require reading in Arizona.

New Mexico, tard.


That was a joke.
Well played, lockers.
2013-10-11 02:42:13 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: I'm sorry but this is just a tragedy...I'm talking about the fact that not a single farker has said what needs to be said.  That headline, right there.

AWESOME.

HOTY candidate.


I'm incredibly flattered, thank you. It's only my second submission and my first greenlight! ^_^

As far as the article itself goes, what really got me was her assertion that it wasn't her job to monitor her kid's reading, it was the schools.

Sorry, but no. Both my parents worked full-time, often 60+ hours a week, and my Mom still found the time to read most of the books I was assigned. Admittedly, in high school, that became a bit more difficult. (Especially with anything by Ayn Rand. ;p Ugh.) She trusted that she'd raised a daughter with good sense at the point. Fortunately she had.

I don't have the ability to read the school assignments of my step-kids, as they live with their mom and she doesn't divulge such info to my husband and I, but you can bet if I -did- have those girls under my roof, I'd be doing the same as my Mom.

Bottom line, I absolutely HATE it when someone says "It's not my job to parent my kid, it's the school's job." Fark that. A school's job is to educate. Period. Not be a mother or father to your precious snowflake. ;p
2013-10-11 02:34:36 PM
1 votes:

phaseolus: tetsoushima: dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?

I thought "American Gods" was pretty good, though I don't know If i would require it.  Looks like I have to add "Neverwhere" to my list my short-list.


It's fun. It's Gaiman's most Harry Potter-ish book with its UK setting and hidden-secret-magic-world-behind-the-one-we're-used-to plot. It's a good story with an entertaining twist or two, hints at untold back stories, likeable characters, and villains with hints of fascinating unexplored depths to them.


You must never have read The Books of Magick then. Many argued that Harry Potter was a pretty blatant ripoff of the books given how many themes Potter took from it. A young Tim Hunter living a dull and boring life with an adopted father finds out he is to be a powerful magician, his parents were Faeries, and he is given a pet owl, and eventually shipped off to a school to learn magic. He even has an annoying adopted brother who is later turned into a man-pig.
2013-10-11 01:59:16 PM
1 votes:

buny101: It is just like "Ender's Game," right now. My son is 8, and he would probably think it is cool that an eight year old is going to save the earth, but due to the ongoing theme of homosexuality that runs rampant through all of Cards works, he can wait and read it as a teenager.


Did you mean anti-homosexuality?  That's what Card has become infamous for, lately - being one of the looniest anti-gay activists who hasn't actually murdered any (yet).  I wouldn't let kids read any of his books because of that.
2013-10-11 01:50:32 PM
1 votes:

ElStreak: gwowen: With the possible exception of Hunter's attire, what the hell is explicit about Neverwhere? The book and TV show where clearly designed for the Young Adult market.

Incidentally, the recent BBC Radio adaptation was pretty good. Croup and Vandemar especially so (Anthony Head, take a bow)

As much as I appreciate Anthony Head, he wasn't in Neverwhere.


Au contraire, my friend
2013-10-11 01:45:40 PM
1 votes:
I'm sorry but this is just a tragedy...I'm talking about the fact that not a single farker has said what needs to be said.  That headline, right there.

AWESOME.

HOTY candidate.
2013-10-11 01:22:15 PM
1 votes:
TV's Vinnie:
I'm torn between my fierce love of the First Amendment and my belief that people should be spared being forced to read Neil F*CKING Giaman's overrated tripe.

Neil Gaiman may not be Norman Mailer but just remind yourself that (per Sturgeon's Law) the vast, vast majority of fiction in any bookstore is bad.  Not just bad, painfully bad.  Gaiman writes good characters and has impressive ideas.  His writing is not perfect but he's still a better read than, say Jim Butcher to name another "dark urban fantasy" author who is quite popular.
2013-10-11 12:56:37 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: buny101: why is that you all worry about parental rights?

Yeah but she had the book banned for everyone she didn't just get an exemption.


From my understanding of the article, it sounded like all she wanted was an exemption for her daughter. It was the district that took the knee jerk reaction of "banning the book" based on her complaint.
2013-10-11 12:47:47 PM
1 votes:

buny101: why is that you all worry about parental rights?


Yeah but she had the book banned for everyone she didn't just get an exemption.
2013-10-11 12:43:44 PM
1 votes:
I'm torn between my fierce love of the First Amendment and my belief that people should be spared being forced to read Neil F*CKING Giaman's overrated tripe.
2013-10-11 12:43:38 PM
1 votes:
I read Neverwhere on my own initiative at age 16 and I remember it being spooky & awesome, but I don't remember anything explicit.
2013-10-11 12:43:26 PM
1 votes:
I watched the TV series of Neverwhere. I liked it although the ending was a bit abrupt, probably as it was meant to be continued. Hey, Beeb! Get continuing!

It is set a dark and violent underworld beneath the streets of London, sort of like that shopping mall in the Harry Potter novels. I won't spoil it for you with details that I can't remember, but it's sort of Trollsville down there, but interesting in a fantasy graphic novel sort of way.

I think it is a shame to ban something like that. Hasn't this stupid biyotch seen The Game of Thrones?

I just read his children's book about milk, whatchamacallit it, Fortunately the Milk, which is sort of a tall tale told by a Father to explain why he didn't get the milk he went out to the convenience store to buy.

It has dinosaurs and pirates and space aliens and human sacrifice and time travel and is fairly well-written and entertaining, with illustrations. I recommend it. Quick read. Nice illustrations. You don't have to be a kid or a geek or even a parent to enjoy it.

Stupid parents are always stunting the moral and intellectual growth of their children by not getting the fact that the real world their children live in is a bit rougher than they care to know or understand, and that children who aren't as idiotic as their parents can read a lot worse stuff than any Neil Gaiman graphic novel for "near-adults".

I am not a super Neil Gaiman fan but I have sampled his work in many genres and there's nothing there that will warp your children into monsters, not even the fecking monsters.
2013-10-11 12:35:43 PM
1 votes:
"Alamogordo school officials say this is the first complaint they've had about the book since they started using it in their curriculum in 2004."

Thanks, Queen of the Snowflakes, for ruining it for everyone else.

I hope her daughter goes off to college and becomes one of those wild party sluts as a result of all this sheltering.

Seriously, I read books with "dirty words" in high school.  That's real life, lady.  Trying to hide "adult content" from kids just makes things worse.
2013-10-11 12:33:58 PM
1 votes:

dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?


When Generation Y became teachers.

You see, the kids nowadays don't read the same hip crap their parents read. You can't push a copy of Salinger's Catcher in the Rye into their hands and expect them to empathize or identify with that jerk Holden Cauliflower. They have to have something they'd actually read. And Neil Gaiman is It, dude.
2013-10-11 12:33:27 PM
1 votes:
facisto:
"A parent can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said.

Actually, yes. Yes they can. And what was wrong/explicit in Neverwhere?


Well it does imply that it's wrong to ignore the suffering of street/homeless people.  So it's pretty anti-American Jesus (TM).
2013-10-11 12:30:27 PM
1 votes:
I kind of think the only proper response to mothers trying to get books banned is to shoot them in the face with a 12 gauge shotgun. I am also open to stomping them to death.
2013-10-11 12:29:51 PM
1 votes:
Looks like the kids in Las Cruses will be much more mature and able to read 400 page books than their Alamogordo rivals.
2013-10-11 12:28:32 PM
1 votes:

tetsoushima: dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?

I thought "American Gods" was pretty good, though I don't know If i would require it.  Looks like I have to add "Neverwhere" to my list my short-list.


Neverwhere is less epic in scope, but more pleasantly written.
2013-10-11 12:28:23 PM
1 votes:

The Slush: "A parent can't read a 400-page-book to find out if it's appropriate," Wilmott said. "You rely on your school to do that for you."

Wow.


What? Is I haven't read it but I object to it not a sound argument?
2013-10-11 12:24:07 PM
1 votes:

dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?


I thought "American Gods" was pretty good, though I don't know If i would require it.  Looks like I have to add "Neverwhere" to my list my short-list.
2013-10-11 12:23:07 PM
1 votes:

dustygrimp: When did Neil Gaiman become required reading?


the article says 2004


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