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(Al Jazeera)   America: students go home after school to play the PlayStation. China: students are forced to work at the PlayStation factory to graduate   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 58
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2013-10-11 10:17:35 AM
That's why PS4 is better than Xbone
derp
 
2013-10-11 10:23:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-11 10:29:19 AM
Well, yes, but hasn't the playstation been a major risk factor for not graduating for years?
 
2013-10-11 12:03:11 PM
Ironically, it is getting cheaper to just automate the job then having almost free labor.
 
2013-10-11 12:04:09 PM
I thought Sony was based in Japan
 
2013-10-11 12:07:28 PM
And in Soviet Union, station plays YOU!
 
2013-10-11 12:07:33 PM
Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..
 
2013-10-11 12:07:42 PM
I can guess which student is more likely to shoot up their school.
 
2013-10-11 12:08:24 PM

lacrossestar83: I thought Sony was based in Japan


So is Honda, but my Pilot was made in Alabama.
 
2013-10-11 12:08:39 PM

lacrossestar83: I thought Sony was based in Japan


Japan is de-industrializing for the same reasons as the US.
 
2013-10-11 12:08:49 PM
Eh, don't worry Chinese kids.  The scenario will flip-flop soon enough.
 
2013-10-11 12:11:26 PM
Assembly is sort of a game... like a big complex puzzle.
 
2013-10-11 12:14:52 PM
WhyNotBoth.jpg


Can't kids have fun sometimes and a work ethic another?
 
2013-10-11 12:15:43 PM

Feel_the_velvet: Eh, don't worry Chinese kids.  The scenario will flip-flop soon enough.


Looks that way.


Thanks Republicans.
 
2013-10-11 12:17:30 PM

lacrossestar83: I thought Sony was based in Japan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIh78GiTqrE&t=50

Seemed appropriate.
 
2013-10-11 12:17:48 PM
You're welcome, crab
 
2013-10-11 12:19:58 PM

opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..


Some people would love that here
 
2013-10-11 12:21:17 PM
I guess Chinese diplomas are 'Make. Believe.' too
 
2013-10-11 12:22:51 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here


Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.
 
2013-10-11 12:25:30 PM
So:

Xbox One: doesn't understand a damn thing about what people actually want in a console
PS4: uses Chinese don't-call-it-slave-labor
WiiU: content to be a thing that exists and is for sale by retailers

Boy, this is shaping up to be a shiat show of a generation, isn't it?
 
2013-10-11 12:26:14 PM
Meh. Back in the cold war, I was forced to assemble and test nuclear bombs or I wasn't going to be allowed to graduate or wear an onion on my belt. We were told they were for the Russkies in case they got itchy about the rest of Germany but I found out later they were fired in to the core of the Earth to keep the planet turning. Jerry Ford, so the story goes, tripped over the plug and shut down the spinner. Only electing Nuclear specialist Jimminy Carter saved the planet. So, I feel good about that and being allowed to wear a Vidalia onion for my accomplishments instead of a plain, non-vidalia onion makes it all worth while.
 
2013-10-11 12:34:10 PM

bigbadideasinaction: drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here

Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.


I'm sure you're not over exaggerating but maintenance is a big part of private school, it made you take pride in your work and care about things outside of yourself. Yeah it sucked at the time, but it builds character and makes you a better person. I guess this is really boot strappy and patriarchal, maybe I should go back to locking my wife in the basement and whipping my negro.
 
2013-10-11 12:36:56 PM
The interns are allowed to opt-out of their slave labor commitment, but then they don't get the college credit from the "course."  But don't worry, Foxconn is "taking steps" to correct the factory policy.
 
2013-10-11 12:38:48 PM

duffblue: bigbadideasinaction: drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here

Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.

I'm sure you're not over exaggerating but maintenance is a big part of private school, it made you take pride in your work and care about things outside of yourself. Yeah it sucked at the time, but it builds character and makes you a better person. I guess this is really boot strappy and patriarchal, maybe I should go back to locking my wife in the basement and whipping my negro.


It's also true for most of Asia.  At the end of the day, the kids clean up the classroom.  It only takes a few minutes and they take better care of their space when they know they're cleaning it up.
 
2013-10-11 12:41:42 PM
Sad because working in a Chinese factory is probably a better education than going to some high schools here?
 
2013-10-11 12:42:16 PM

Harry Freakstorm: Meh. Back in the cold war, I was forced to assemble and test nuclear bombs or I wasn't going to be allowed to graduate or wear an onion on my belt. We were told they were for the Russkies in case they got itchy about the rest of Germany but I found out later they were fired in to the core of the Earth to keep the planet turning. Jerry Ford, so the story goes, tripped over the plug and shut down the spinner. Only electing Nuclear specialist Jimminy Carter saved the planet. So, I feel good about that and being allowed to wear a Vidalia onion for my accomplishments instead of a plain, non-vidalia onion makes it all worth while.


Faith in America restored. God Bless America only!
 
2013-10-11 12:55:13 PM

Gosling: So:

Xbox One: doesn't understand a damn thing about what people actually want in a console
PS4: uses Chinese don't-call-it-slave-labor
WiiU: content to be a thing that exists and is for sale by retailers

Boy, this is shaping up to be a shiat show of a generation, isn't it?


Actually, MS uses foxcon as well, iirc.  there was a dispute last year were foxconn workers threatened suicide over Xbox pay issues.

Nintendo had a similar story last year to this one where it was discovered underaged workers were making nintendo parts at Foxconn.

This is just one of those ugly sides to modern, cheap electronics:  you get stuff like this.  Ina week, no one will remember or care about this dispute.

So long as companies depend on ultra cheap Chinese labor, this will continue to happen.
 
2013-10-11 01:00:54 PM

bigbadideasinaction: drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here

Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.


My elementary school had us kids clean up the playground, cafeteria, and outdoor lunch area. I never realized that I was worse off than a shanghaied Chinese factory worker putting in 16 hour days.
 
2013-10-11 01:01:49 PM

TomD9938: I can guess which student is more likely to shoot up their school.


And which one is more likely to plummet to his death from the roof of the building.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:24 PM

Antimatter: Gosling: So:

Xbox One: doesn't understand a damn thing about what people actually want in a console
PS4: uses Chinese don't-call-it-slave-labor
WiiU: content to be a thing that exists and is for sale by retailers

Boy, this is shaping up to be a shiat show of a generation, isn't it?

Actually, MS uses foxcon as well, iirc.  there was a dispute last year were foxconn workers threatened suicide over Xbox pay issues.

Nintendo had a similar story last year to this one where it was discovered underaged workers were making nintendo parts at Foxconn.

This is just one of those ugly sides to modern, cheap electronics:  you get stuff like this.  Ina week, no one will remember or care about this dispute.

So long as companies depend on ultra cheap Chinese labor, this will continue to happen.


Until robots replace them.  There's no future in being a factory worker.  Or any repetitive type work.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:33 PM

jjorsett: bigbadideasinaction: drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here

Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.

My elementary school had us kids clean up the playground, cafeteria, and outdoor lunch area. I never realized that I was worse off than a shanghaied Chinese factory worker putting in 16 hour days.


These kids were forced to work 16-hour days?
 
2013-10-11 01:10:20 PM

lacrossestar83: I thought Sony was based in Japan


That's why these companies are called "Multinationals", because wherever they were founded doesn't matter. They use their large wealth to try to skirt laws in their home country by shifting manufacturing and profits to outside countries that would accept their lowest common denominator moral principals. Unless the law changes to make business practices like this either illegal or "bad for business", then it will continue in perpetuity.
 
2013-10-11 01:13:42 PM
Yeah, those poor poor chinese young adults gaining valuable life skills to score a sweet (by Chinese standards) tech career straight out of school sure are being disserviced. Much better they work at Star Bucks while living in their parents basement paying down six figure debt for a useless degree, like we do here in the US.
 
2013-10-11 01:14:36 PM
I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.
 
2013-10-11 01:26:51 PM

TomD9938: I can guess which student is more likely to shoot up their school.


The one who lives in a country that is awash in guns?

Probably not quite the answer you were trolling for.
 
2013-10-11 01:39:51 PM
Their response is, essentially, "It's not our fault we abused them, they were sent to us without proper supervision!"

You are officially a coont if you buy products from Apple or Sony. Electronic equivalent to blood diamonds.
 
2013-10-11 01:40:56 PM

duffblue: bigbadideasinaction: drjekel_mrhyde: opak: Looks like a government that isnt protecting its children.  Shocker..

Some people would love that here

Given that a GOP candidate who won a primary advocated grade school kids doing janitorial work, China's plan is a step up.

I'm sure you're not over exaggerating but maintenance is a big part of private school, it made you take pride in your work and care about things outside of yourself. Yeah it sucked at the time, but it builds character and makes you a better person. I guess this is really boot strappy and patriarchal, maybe I should go back to locking my wife in the basement and whipping my negro.


His quote

"have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68729.html#ixzz2hRGhhCnw

So you're telling me all the unsafe work in a school can be handled by one employee? Boiler? Electrical? Biohazard (blood, vomit etc) cleanup?

Good luck with that.
 
2013-10-11 01:41:16 PM

pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.


That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."
 
2013-10-11 01:57:04 PM

LavenderWolf: pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.

That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."


I still fail to see how that is much different than a school requiring internship credit/charity work hours in order to graduate with a degree. In all cases, it sucks because they are taking your time instead of (or on top of) money for education requirements outside of the classroom.
 
2013-10-11 02:19:25 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: That's why PS4 is better than Xbone
derp


They are both being built at the same factory.
 
2013-10-11 02:20:42 PM

Gosling: So:

Xbox One: doesn't understand a damn thing about what people actually want in a console
PS4: uses Chinese don't-call-it-slave-labor
WiiU: content to be a thing that exists and is for sale by retailers

Boy, this is shaping up to be a shiat show of a generation, isn't it?


You do realize the Xbox One is also made at Foxcon right?
 
2013-10-11 02:24:05 PM

LavenderWolf: Their response is, essentially, "It's not our fault we abused them, they were sent to us without proper supervision!"

You are officially a coont if you buy products from Apple or Sony. Electronic equivalent to blood diamonds.


Electronics, appliances, clothes, even car parts are all made in factories like these. Every thing an American purchases is produced by people who are slaves. Don't act like you give a shiat otherwise you would be lobbying your government to ban all imports from every country.
 
2013-10-11 02:26:55 PM

pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.

That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."

I still fail to see how that is much different than a school requiring internship credit/charity work hours in order to graduate with a degree. In all cases, it sucks because they are taking your time instead of (or on top of) money for education requirements outside of the classroom.


Then you're being willfully stupid.

Forced labour is not the same as a co-op program. At all. You dumb fark.
 
2013-10-11 02:28:16 PM

Slaves2Darkness: LavenderWolf: Their response is, essentially, "It's not our fault we abused them, they were sent to us without proper supervision!"

You are officially a coont if you buy products from Apple or Sony. Electronic equivalent to blood diamonds.

Electronics, appliances, clothes, even car parts are all made in factories like these. Every thing an American purchases is produced by people who are slaves. Don't act like you give a shiat otherwise you would be lobbying your government to ban all imports from every country.


I do give a shiat. I do what I can to avoid purchasing goods made in places like this.

Acting like everyone else on the planet is as cynical and jaded as you doesn't make it so.
 
2013-10-11 02:30:22 PM

LavenderWolf: pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.

That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."

I still fail to see how that is much different than a school requiring internship credit/charity work hours in order to graduate with a degree. In all cases, it sucks because they are taking your time instead of (or on top of) money for education requirements outside of the classroom.

Then you're being willfully stupid.

Forced labour is not the same as a co-op program. At all. You dumb fark.


Insightful commentary as always. You should really join a debate team for Fark.
 
2013-10-11 02:46:13 PM

pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.

That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."

I still fail to see how that is much different than a school requiring internship credit/charity work hours in order to graduate with a degree. In all cases, it sucks because they are taking your time instead of (or on top of) money for education requirements outside of the classroom.

Then you're being willfully stupid.

Forced labour is not the same as a co-op program. At all. You dumb fark.

Insightful commentary as always. You should really join a debate team for Fark.


Hey, there's sarcasm, there's wit, and there's blatantly insisting on an obviously stupid point, as you have just demonstrated.

I'm just calling out your stupidass point. Forced labour is not anything like a co-op program as those of us in the civilized world know them.
 
2013-10-11 03:04:41 PM
Achievement unlocked: Capitalism
 
2013-10-11 03:08:46 PM
"The children of Holland take pleasure in making,
What the children of Boston take pleasure in breaking."

Little Men- pub 1871
Louisa May Alcott
 
2013-10-11 03:17:48 PM

LavenderWolf: pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: LavenderWolf: pkellmey: I don't see giving them real life job experience much different than some schools requiring that the kids require charity/community service work in their senior year to graduate. I was required to work for free along side charity workers, who earned admittedly crappy wages, in order to graduate. At the time and at my age, I would have liked to have earned that small amount of money instead of donating my time.

That's not the way shiat is supposed to work.

"You can co-op with private business if you want this course credit"

is not the same as

"You and your entire graduating class will be required to work X number of hours on an assembly line (which doesn't teach ANYTHING) or else you don't get the credits you've already worked for."

I still fail to see how that is much different than a school requiring internship credit/charity work hours in order to graduate with a degree. In all cases, it sucks because they are taking your time instead of (or on top of) money for education requirements outside of the classroom.

Then you're being willfully stupid.

Forced labour is not the same as a co-op program. At all. You dumb fark.

Insightful commentary as always. You should really join a debate team for Fark.

Hey, there's sarcasm, there's wit, and there's blatantly insisting on an obviously stupid point, as you have just demonstrated.

I'm just calling out your stupidass point. Forced labour is not anything like a co-op program as those of us in the civilized world know them.


I really question whether you are part of the "civilized world" considering you spell labor with a "u", but continuing on to the discussion at hand, the article mentions, "1,000 students faced with decision to manufacture Sony's popular video game console or not graduate" which as I pointed out many other school programs have as a similarly required commitments from their students through internship program requirements. They have the option of dropping out of the program per the article, so "forced labour" is apparently the key words that you are most concerned with. Don't worry, they don't exist in the article, only that they are forced with a decision concerning the requirements to graduate from that school. Sony may indeed suck to work at, so workplace improvements should be seriously suggested, but these are vocational students and it isn't like they are prisoners to a fate where there is no other option just like other internship programs around the world who don't get a diploma without outside internship requirements.
 
2013-10-11 03:26:20 PM

pkellmey: I really question whether you are part of the "civilized world" considering you spell labor with a "u", but continuing on to the discussion at hand, the article mentions, "1,000 students faced with decision to manufacture Sony's popular video game console or not graduate" which as I pointed out many other school programs have as a similarly required commitments from their students through internship program requirements. They have the option of dropping out of the program per the article, so "forced labour" is apparently the key words that you are most concerned with. Don't worry, they don't exist in the article, only that they are forced with a decision concerning the requirements to graduate from that school. Sony may indeed suck to work at, so workplace improvements should be seriously suggested, but these are vocational students and it isn't like they are prisoners to a fate where there is no other option just like other internship programs around the world who don't get a diploma without outside internship requirements.


The students aren't working for sony, they are working at Foxconn making a product for sony.  Beyond giving foxconn the contract to produce said parts, they don't have any say over hiring/staffing practices, other then being able to complain about them.
 
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