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2013-10-11 10:14:30 AM
I think we can all agree that women with three boobs are a requirement.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:20 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I think we can all agree that women with three boobs are a requirement.


And that i09 links can fark off.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:24 AM
Did they just make those "Myths" up?  Granted, Vinge *is* a Scientist...
 
2013-10-11 11:30:56 AM

Iknhaton: Did they just make those "Myths" up?  Granted, Vinge *is* a Scientist...


yeah.. never heard of a single one of them before.

farktards
 
2013-10-11 11:31:31 AM
Considering the content of the article, 'myth' is appropriate.
 
2013-10-11 11:41:17 AM
While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.
 
2013-10-11 11:45:09 AM
He has a masters degree....in SCIENCE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elpbs6kb8Ys
 
2013-10-11 11:45:47 AM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.
 
2013-10-11 11:46:12 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I think we can all agree that women with three boobs are a requirement.


Three tits
i20.photobucket.com
that's awesome!
 
2013-10-11 11:48:46 AM

WippitGuud: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.


Is it actually a good read though? I'm intrigued by KSR's ideas but I've heard him described as a bore.
 
2013-10-11 11:59:00 AM

WippitGuud: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.


Thanks for the recommendation. It does sound like an interesting read, I'll add it to my list of things to check out.
 
2013-10-11 12:00:22 PM

Arkanaut: WippitGuud: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.

Is it actually a good read though? I'm intrigued by KSR's ideas but I've heard him described as a bore.


Like I said, it can be drawn out at times... but I've re-read the series more than once. At this point I have been known to skip over a chapter or two that drags on too long.
 
2013-10-11 12:01:06 PM
I was just telling the guy in the other stall how vapid io9 links were and he didn't believe me.

Thank you subby, thank you Annalee Newitz.
 
2013-10-11 12:03:08 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 12:03:37 PM
I was 7 when I started reading SF

silouanthompson.net
 
2013-10-11 12:06:33 PM

Arkanaut: WippitGuud: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.

Is it actually a good read though? I'm intrigued by KSR's ideas but I've heard him described as a bore.


It's a long read for sure. Good? I wouldn't call it well-written but it's good. There's a lot of interesting ideas in there.
 
2013-10-11 12:22:49 PM
I think we're all missing the biggest take away from this article. Someone apparently wrote a time travel self-orgy story.
 
2013-10-11 12:32:48 PM

madgordy: I was 7 when I started reading SF


That is awesome and trippy.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:08 PM
If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:17 PM

Iknhaton: Did they just make those "Myths" up?  Granted, Vinge *is* a Scientist...


I've heard of some of them before, but #6 kinda came out of left field.  I mean, Dune is essentially about environmental science, right? And I've never heard anybody argue that it isn't sci fi.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:48 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


Give Old Man's War by John Scalzi a try.
 
2013-10-11 12:36:17 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


I'd recently been introduced to Iain Banks and then he died. But his "The Culture" books are pretty darn good.
 
2013-10-11 12:37:02 PM

metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.


Beat me to it.
 
2013-10-11 12:37:49 PM

INeedAName: I think we're all missing the biggest take away from this article. Someone apparently wrote a time travel self-orgy story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself
 
2013-10-11 12:41:19 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


Scalzi - Old Man's War series
Jack McDevitt - anything he writes
 
2013-10-11 12:47:33 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


Also, Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. Read it before the movie comes out so you can trash the movie for getting it wrong.
 
2013-10-11 12:52:24 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/OCEANIC/Complete/Oceanic.html

Oceanic by Egan. He lays the atheistic propaganda on a bit thick at times, but he spins a good yarn.

/on my phone, no linky goodness.
//also, this is a short story, not a book. He wrote some books too that are good.
 
2013-10-11 12:56:49 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.
 
2013-10-11 01:06:01 PM
11) Sci-fi illustrators and designers are required, by contract, to make most space craft look vaguely dick-shaped.

Actually, they are not required to at all.  They just choose to.
 
2013-10-11 01:07:29 PM

wjllope: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.


I loved "The Terror." Speculative fiction by Simmons about what happened to Franklin's lost expedition to find the Northwest Passage. While not sci-fi, there's a bit of the supernatural in it.
 
2013-10-11 01:12:37 PM

jonathan_L: I loved "The Terror." Speculative fiction by Simmons about what happened to Franklin's lost expedition to find the Northwest Passage. While not sci-fi, there's a bit of the supernatural in it.


Yep - I loved that book too, and it motivated me to read up on the actual expedition. The book is quite heavily based on fact.

/At times I needed to put the book down and go outside and stand in the hot texas sun.
 
2013-10-11 01:18:28 PM

metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.


Thanks for the info! Yeah I have the Old man's war series. Great read. I'll check out Travis Taylor too. Is John Ringo the guy who wrote the Paladin of Shadows series?

wjllope: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.


I actually hadn't heard of Dan Simmons, I'll add to my list, thanks!
 
2013-10-11 01:26:55 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


I read this recently and it had some very good short stories.
 
2013-10-11 01:43:47 PM

SuperChuck: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

I read this recently and it had some very good short stories.


That looks pretty damn good. Thanks!
 
2013-10-11 01:50:19 PM

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Came here to post this. Thanks for getting that out of the way.
 
2013-10-11 01:50:32 PM
I've read Forever War, but not Old Man's War. Are they similar?

Also, I picked up Ender's Game for the kindle today. Is it a standalone story, or do you have to read the whole 5-book series?
 
2013-10-11 01:58:52 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Also, I picked up Ender's Game for the kindle today. Is it a standalone story, or do you have to read the whole 5-book series?


You don't have to. In fact, the series takes a weird turn after the first book and becomes philosophical. Almost annoyingly so.

The first book is a nice little tale.
 
2013-10-11 02:00:34 PM

INeedAName: I think we're all missing the biggest take away from this article. Someone apparently wrote a time travel self-orgy story.


Yes, all you zombies
 
2013-10-11 02:02:30 PM

Big Beef Burrito: I've read Forever War, but not Old Man's War. Are they similar?

Also, I picked up Ender's Game for the kindle today. Is it a standalone story, or do you have to read the whole 5-book series?


Stand alone.
 
2013-10-11 02:15:06 PM

69gnarkill69: metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.

Beat me to it.


And me.

Ringo is pretty much my go to guy at this point.  If I'm stuff for something to read, I'll just start rereading one of his series.  His early stuff is heavier on the military bent, later stuff has more emphasis on the science.  Through the Looking Glass was co-written with Travis Taylor, who has a couple Ph. Ds in hard science stuff.
 
2013-10-11 02:57:56 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.



William Gilbson is an awesome writer.  Start with the Sprawl trilogy -- Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive.  If you like them, head to Amazon and buy the rest of his books.

/The Matrix shamelessly ripped off Neuromancer, if that means anything to ya.
 
2013-10-11 03:16:53 PM

commisioner: metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.

Thanks for the info! Yeah I have the Old man's war series. Great read. I'll check out Travis Taylor too. Is John Ringo the guy who wrote the Paladin of Shadows series?

wjllope: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.

I actually hadn't heard of Dan Simmons, I'll add to my list, thanks!


I like Simmons earlier stuff, but just watch out with a bit with Simmons. He went a bit insane following Obama's election. He even wrote a future history book where Obama's election lead to the downfall of the USA.

Just some highlights from Flashback (2011):

Japan owns and rules the USA
U.S. Goes Bankrupt
Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack
Mexican Army Invades California
Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada
Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero
 Everyone is addicted to a drug that lets them relive the better days before 2009
 
2013-10-11 03:29:09 PM

dsmith42: commisioner: metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.

Thanks for the info! Yeah I have the Old man's war series. Great read. I'll check out Travis Taylor too. Is John Ringo the guy who wrote the Paladin of Shadows series?

wjllope: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.

I actually hadn't heard of Dan Simmons, I'll add to my list, thanks!

I like Simmons earlier stuff, but just watch out with a bit with Simmons. He went a bit insane following Obama's election. He even wrote a future history book where Obama's election lead to the downfall of the USA.


He's been a batty reactionary bigot ever since 9/11, when he posted the most hateful micro story about a
time traveller from a future where Islam overwhelmed the world.

It sounds like he took that TURNER DIARIES-like fragment and ran with it.
 
2013-10-11 03:31:07 PM
Those looked more like 10 idiotic assertions re: SF than ten SF myths.
 
2013-10-11 03:39:02 PM
He's been a batty reactionary bigot ever since 9/11, when he posted the most hateful micro story about a
time traveller from a future where Islam overwhelmed the world.

It sounds like he took that TURNER DIARIES-like fragment and ran with it.



You're right of course, and I did read the "Time Traveler's Story" or whatever it was called about Iran nuking Israel. But he really cranked it up a notch after Obama got elected. I think he was going to move to Galt's Gulch for a while there. O.S. Card level insanity, just without the homophobic edge that Card has.

I used to participate a bit in his message board, but the place basically turned into Free Republic type stupidity.
 
2013-10-11 03:53:15 PM

WippitGuud: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

The Red Mars series (Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) by Kim Stanley Robinson. it can be drawn-out at times, but it s a book about the colonization and terraforming of Mars. And it's not limited to science, as it also includes a lot of economics and politics. It's even been mentioned by a lot of people that it is a "must-read" for anyone who wants to discuss going to Mars.

Which might it too realistic. So, maybe not actual science fiction.


2312
 
2013-10-11 04:10:37 PM

Big Beef Burrito: I've read Forever War, but not Old Man's War. Are they similar?


Yes and No.  There are themes in Old Man's War that I found strangely like a homage to Forever War; but  just about everything else in the story was like reading a book based on some of the same characters, but with a completely different approach to how the science works in the story.   I enjoyed both.
 
2013-10-11 04:10:59 PM

commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


I'll echo the recommendation for Scalzi, and in a similar vein you might try Robert Buettner's Orphan series.

My favorite sci-fi author is Alastair Reynolds.  He doesn't do any of the military stuff, but his universe would make an awesome MMPORPG.
 
2013-10-11 04:37:27 PM

Brokenseas: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.


William Gilbson is an awesome writer.  Start with the Sprawl trilogy -- Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive.  If you like them, head to Amazon and buy the rest of his books.

/The Matrix shamelessly ripped off Neuromancer, if that means anything to ya.



Way ahead of you buddy! Quite enjoyed that trilogy. Will be expanding out into his other works too.

JNowe: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

I'll echo the recommendation for Scalzi, and in a similar vein you might try Robert Buettner's Orphan series.

My favorite sci-fi author is Alastair Reynolds.  He doesn't do any of the military stuff, but his universe would make an awesome MMPORPG.


Ah thanks for both those recommendations!
 
2013-10-11 04:54:58 PM

dsmith42: commisioner: metallion: If you liked the Heinlein, Steele, Bear, etc..  You will like some of John Scalzi's work.  Old Man's War and Redshirts come to mind.  Warp Speed and Quantum Continum by Travis Taylor, and Through the Looking Glass, by John Ringo.

Thanks for the info! Yeah I have the Old man's war series. Great read. I'll check out Travis Taylor too. Is John Ringo the guy who wrote the Paladin of Shadows series?

wjllope: commisioner: While I'm here, could anyone recommend some good science fiction books?
I always get good recommendations from these threads. Been reading some Heinlein, Greg Bear, Allen Steele and Frank Herbert lately so I welcome any new additions.

Have you tried Dan Simmons?
I loved the Hyperion Cantos (4 books) and really loved Ilium & Olympos. Those last two are a fun cross between mythology and SciFi.

/Darwin's Blade was awful, and not SciFi.

I actually hadn't heard of Dan Simmons, I'll add to my list, thanks!

I like Simmons earlier stuff, but just watch out with a bit with Simmons. He went a bit insane following Obama's election. He even wrote a future history book where Obama's election lead to the downfall of the USA.

Just some highlights from Flashback (2011):

Japan owns and rules the USA
U.S. Goes Bankrupt
Israel Destroyed by Nuclear Attack
Mexican Army Invades California
Sharia Law Rules Europe, Canada
Giant Mosque Built at Ground Zero
 Everyone is addicted to a drug that lets them relive the better days before 2009


Was about to warn about that one. When I got to the part where he explained that the US was an apocalyptic hellscape because of illegal immigration and budget deficits I closed the book immediately. Makes me sad because his earlier stuff is so good.


commisioner: My favorite sci-fi author is Alastair Reynolds.  He doesn't do any of the military stuff, but his universe would make an awesome MMPORPG.

Ah thanks for both those recommendations!


Seconding the Reynolds recommendation. As well as Scalzi and Banks. Neal Asher is also quite good. Though his most recent "The Owner" series is REALLY dark. Also Michael Marshal Smith's "Only Forward" is good, as well as being laugh out loud funny in parts.

Oh and anything by Charles Stross.
 
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