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(NBC New York)   Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children in a bathtub and then was found not guilty by reason of insanity and locked away in a secure mental facility? Well, it wasn't secure enough to keep her from getting pregnant again   (nbcnewyork.com ) divider line
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2013-10-11 01:54:47 PM  
the baby is already born before it makes the news?  i am sure everyone involved has been fired and thus no one saw the need to inform the public.
 
2013-10-11 01:56:14 PM  

stevarooni: Look, I know that journalism is in a slump lately, but...

FTFA: Another option the court could consider is to award some or all of the money to Brewer baby, as her heir.

(emphasis mine) Brewer baby?!?  C'mon!


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2013-10-11 01:58:15 PM  

cryinoutloud: ou don't miss it when your damn wife is schizophrenic.


Didn't he ask his whackadoodle church to help them pray the crazy away?
 
2013-10-11 02:00:03 PM  

dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. Fire him, fine him, make him pay someone to take care of the baby. She may have consented, but like with a teacher farking a student, when there's a power dynamic, it's completely unacceptable.

Yes, require everyone to give a sample of their private, personal effects without a warrant, court order, or any particularized suspicion.  If you aren't guilty, what do you have to hide, right?

And woe betide anyone who refuses, because the only possible reason anyone wouldn't agree to something so intrusive is because they are the rapist, right?


Did I say anything about no court order or warrant? If a female inmate of a prison was impregnated, don't you think the authorities would do an investigation into who impregnated her?
 
2013-10-11 02:03:32 PM  

enderthexenocide: Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children ...

oh, they must be talking about andrea yates, i remember her.

Leatrice Brewer, 33, was found not guilty because of mental disease

holy crap there's more than one woman who drowned her own kids in a bathtub?


There's actually quite a few of them. Unfortunately.
 
2013-10-11 02:03:50 PM  
even idiocracy couldn't see this coming
 
2013-10-11 02:04:13 PM  
Maury could do a whole season with the staff at this facility.
 
2013-10-11 02:09:35 PM  

FatherChaos: Can you imagine that poor kid's life?  At some point, they have to tell him/her about what mommy did.  Man, I can't imagine that.

What's worse, mental illness can be hereditary.


So maybe the baby grows up and kills mommy........circle completed.
 
2013-10-11 02:09:58 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. Fire him, fine him, make him pay someone to take care of the baby. She may have consented, but like with a teacher farking a student, when there's a power dynamic, it's completely unacceptable.

Yes, require everyone to give a sample of their private, personal effects without a warrant, court order, or any particularized suspicion.  If you aren't guilty, what do you have to hide, right?

And woe betide anyone who refuses, because the only possible reason anyone wouldn't agree to something so intrusive is because they are the rapist, right?

Did I say anything about no court order or warrant? If a female inmate of a prison was impregnated, don't you think the authorities would do an investigation into who impregnated her?


General warrants are unconstitutional, and that's what you're talking about.  See the part that I bolded up top?  No way to accomplish that without something like a general warrant, and historically, courts have frowned upon that sort of thing in the US.

Now, they could ask all male employees to voluntarily give a sample, but they can't require it of everyone, not without some kind of a warrant, and as I pointed out, a blanket search warrant or other court order covering each and every employee would be invalid on its face.

/IANAL
//When the wife lets me.
 
2013-10-11 02:12:38 PM  

dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. Fire him, fine him, make him pay someone to take care of the baby. She may have consented, but like with a teacher farking a student, when there's a power dynamic, it's completely unacceptable.

Yes, require everyone to give a sample of their private, personal effects without a warrant, court order, or any particularized suspicion.  If you aren't guilty, what do you have to hide, right?

And woe betide anyone who refuses, because the only possible reason anyone wouldn't agree to something so intrusive is because they are the rapist, right?

Did I say anything about no court order or warrant? If a female inmate of a prison was impregnated, don't you think the authorities would do an investigation into who impregnated her?

General warrants are unconstitutional, and that's what you're talking about.  See the part that I bolded up top?  No way to accomplish that without something like a general warrant, and historically, courts have frowned upon that sort of thing in the US.

Now, they could ask all male employees to voluntarily give a sample, but they can't require it of everyone, not without some kind of a warrant, and as I pointed out, a blanket search warrant or other court order covering each and every employee would be invalid on its face.

/IANAL
//When the wife lets me.


If only there was an investigation to narrow down the pool of dads.
 
2013-10-11 02:13:38 PM  

hailin: And why the fark wasn't this woman sterilized?! Fark people and their "cruel and unusual punishment". You know who gets a life of cruel and unusual punishment? That child whose mom is famous for murdering his siblings in a horrific fashion. Gawd damn it so much I hate the bleeding hearts sometimes.


Forcible sterilization is basically illegal, because the Eugenics movement in the US used it as a tool of social engineering/class warfare instead of harm-reduction.

On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult, committing someone for more than a few days is a long drawn out legal process that drains hospital resources, which is why we have so many homeless.
 
2013-10-11 02:15:15 PM  

FatherChaos: Can you imagine that poor kid's life? At some point, they have to tell him/her about what mommy did. Man, I can't imagine that.


Are you kidding me? He'd be the first to make it out alive!

It's like The Running Man, but for children.
 
2013-10-11 02:17:19 PM  

shortymac: hailin: And why the fark wasn't this woman sterilized?! Fark people and their "cruel and unusual punishment". You know who gets a life of cruel and unusual punishment? That child whose mom is famous for murdering his siblings in a horrific fashion. Gawd damn it so much I hate the bleeding hearts sometimes.

Forcible sterilization is basically illegal, because the Eugenics movement in the US used it as a tool of social engineering/class warfare instead of harm-reduction.

On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult, committing someone for more than a few days is a long drawn out legal process that drains hospital resources, which is why we have so many homeless.


No, it's more like Republicans have reduced funding to next to nothing.
 
2013-10-11 02:19:05 PM  
You know, if we outlawed bathtubs, this wouldn't happen...
 
2013-10-11 02:21:57 PM  

namegoeshere: enderthexenocide: Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children ...

oh, they must be talking about andrea yates, i remember her.

Leatrice Brewer, 33, was found not guilty because of mental disease

holy crap there's more than one woman who drowned her own kids in a bathtub?

There's actually quite a few of them. Unfortunately.


It's actually more common for a mother to kill their children than it is for fathers.

According to the US Dept. of Health and Human services, 14.8% of child deaths due to maltreatment were because of the father acting alone, but 27.3% of the deaths were the mother acting alone.  Maltreatment by both mother and father accounted for a further 22.5%.
 
2013-10-11 02:22:09 PM  

headstone: You know, if we outlawed bathtubs, this wouldn't happen...


Stopgap measure. Dihydrogen monoxide is the real culprit.
 
2013-10-11 02:22:11 PM  

shortymac: On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult,


It's not really fair to blame this on "bleeding hearts." In addition to the funding cuts mentioned above, the commitment process was toughened up because it really was too easy to abuse. There really were people being committed for no legitimate reason, because someone in their family wanted them out of their hair. You don't have to be a bleeding heart to want to rectify that. It's a horrible situation for families when they desperately need to get help for a loved one but they can't make it happen. On the other hand, nobody thinks institutionalizing someone against their will should be quick and easy.
 
2013-10-11 02:24:12 PM  

headstone: You know, if we outlawed bathtubs, this wouldn't happen...


On the other hand, those calling for mandatory sterilization are basically using a pro-gun control argument.
 
2013-10-11 02:25:14 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: If only there was an investigation to narrow down the pool of dads.


But you said this, and I quote: "Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. "

Now, I've got zero problem with a conventional investigation that leads to a one or a at most a few suspects, and the police getting a warrant or warrants that meet the accepted legal standards based on probable cause, but that isn't what you were initially talking about.
 
2013-10-11 02:27:28 PM  

shortymac: hailin: And why the fark wasn't this woman sterilized?! Fark people and their "cruel and unusual punishment". You know who gets a life of cruel and unusual punishment? That child whose mom is famous for murdering his siblings in a horrific fashion. Gawd damn it so much I hate the bleeding hearts sometimes.

Forcible sterilization is basically illegal, because the Eugenics movement in the US used it as a tool of social engineering/class warfare instead of harm-reduction.

On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult, committing someone for more than a few days is a long drawn out legal process that drains hospital resources, which is why we have so many homeless.


Like that bleeding-heart, Ronald Regan, huh? What a pansy-ass LIB!!!
 
2013-10-11 02:28:42 PM  

Olthoi: Bonus: You don't need to worry about birth control with her.


I laughed way too hard at that. Shall I order the handbasket for two?
 
2013-10-11 02:31:42 PM  
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2013-10-11 02:32:22 PM  

dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: If only there was an investigation to narrow down the pool of dads.

But you said this, and I quote: "Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. "

Now, I've got zero problem with a conventional investigation that leads to a one or a at most a few suspects, and the police getting a warrant or warrants that meet the accepted legal standards based on probable cause, but that isn't what you were initially talking about.


You're right, I should have looked up the rules around when we can require DNA testing and then made my comment about this situation.

Or, you can just understand that I believe we should investigate the situation because it seems like some male in that hospital likely took advantage of this woman in a very immoral way.
 
2013-10-11 02:34:20 PM  
Just like Jesus.
 
2013-10-11 02:36:16 PM  

dittybopper: Mike Chewbacca: If only there was an investigation to narrow down the pool of dads.

But you said this, and I quote: "Paternity test on the baby compared with the DNA of every male employee at that hospital in the last year. "

Now, I've got zero problem with a conventional investigation that leads to a one or a at most a few suspects, and the police getting a warrant or warrants that meet the accepted legal standards based on probable cause, but that isn't what you were initially talking about.


It seems like you are inventing a privacy issue where none exists. Most likely the police would have the suspect pool narrowed down to the male employees (or any outside males) who had access to the patient within a certain time frame. Then they could get warrants for that group. That may include every male employee that has worked there in the past year, but they'd still be considered legitimate persons of interest. I'd think a warrant would be legal, wouldn't you?
 
2013-10-11 02:39:52 PM  
Maybe it was an immaculate conception.
 
2013-10-11 02:41:12 PM  

dittybopper: General warrants are unconstitutional, and that's what you're talking about. See the part that I bolded up top? No way to accomplish that without something like a general warrant, and historically, courts have frowned upon that sort of thing in the US.


We could just have the NSA take care of it then.

And for the idiots who always blame republicans for everything, I remember when they opened all the mental hospitals and turned them all loose in NYC, and it was the farking 1970's, long before you could blame Ronald Reagan and the rest of the conservatives. It was Abe Beame who was mayor then, and Jimmy the anti-semite Carter who was in the White House.
 
2013-10-11 02:41:33 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: shortymac: hailin: And why the fark wasn't this woman sterilized?! Fark people and their "cruel and unusual punishment". You know who gets a life of cruel and unusual punishment? That child whose mom is famous for murdering his siblings in a horrific fashion. Gawd damn it so much I hate the bleeding hearts sometimes.

Forcible sterilization is basically illegal, because the Eugenics movement in the US used it as a tool of social engineering/class warfare instead of harm-reduction.

On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult, committing someone for more than a few days is a long drawn out legal process that drains hospital resources, which is why we have so many homeless.

No, it's more like Republicans have reduced funding to next to nothing.


Difficulty level: naming a single program that the republicans or anyone else has ever cut funding for.

You can't, because it has never happened. Ever.

Some programs have had the amount of proposed funding increase cut. Liberals call that a cut in funding.
 
2013-10-11 02:44:08 PM  

craznshoo: Maybe it was an immaculate conception.


Just not virgin birth.
 
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2013-10-11 02:44:48 PM  

grokca: Olthoi: Bonus: You don't need to worry about birth control with her.

I laughed way too hard at that. Shall I order the handbasket for two?


Pfffft, call for a party bus dude. There's a load of us at the stop and we all want window seats.
 
2013-10-11 02:51:38 PM  

cryinoutloud: Philimus: Yes, but fortunately the courts are more interested in understanding why these women did it, and taking their mental health into account, than in just administering punishment as would surely be the case if a father murdered all of his children. Yay for double standards, and I'm not even trying to make this a men's rights issue. Sometimes there really is a good reason to remember Emerson's adage about how "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
\Criminal injustice system is still broken.

Cry me a goddamn river. She's locked up in a nuthouse for the rest of her life, and even if by some fluke she gets released--which is unlikely, since she's not only black, she's probably poor--she's too loony to ever have any quality of life or enjoy any freedom she may ever have. I'm sorry that you resent her shiatty life as some representation of how easy women have it. If she ever does gets better, the only "better" thought in her head is going to be how she killed all her kids.

Maybe if Andrea Yeager's farking husband had been paying enough attention to his wife as something other than a baby-maker, he'd have noticed that she was dangerously depressed (even told not to have any more kids because of her severe mental health issues), and that she wasn't capable of taking care of the kids. But no, he knocked her up with the fifth kid instead, she finally snapped from post-partum depression and her other issues, and killed them all. And everyone felt so bad for the man who lost all his kids. I'd love to see how he rationalizes all of that in his head, today. And the guy worked for NASA, I don't think he was some of idiot who just couldn't see what was going on. You don't miss it when your damn wife is schizophrenic.


She was also homeschooling all the children, because liberal school system will "infect" their children! They also lived in a modified school bus with 5 kids.

Russell really should have been brought up on negligence charges, because he refused to follow multiple doctors orders, let his wife spend 2 hours a day unsupervised (against doctors orders), and had her stop her anti-psychotics to continue to have more children.

He put his kids lives in danger and he should be in jail.

I heard her hubby has started the cycle again with a new wife.
 
2013-10-11 03:03:03 PM  
A mother who drowned her own children has given birth to another child -- while in a secure, state-run psychiatric facility. Pei-Sze Cheng has the exclusive

I quick read that as "Pea Size" and couldn't even start reading the article I was laughing so hard.
 
2013-10-11 03:12:41 PM  

Combustion: shortymac: hailin: And why the fark wasn't this woman sterilized?! Fark people and their "cruel and unusual punishment". You know who gets a life of cruel and unusual punishment? That child whose mom is famous for murdering his siblings in a horrific fashion. Gawd damn it so much I hate the bleeding hearts sometimes.

Forcible sterilization is basically illegal, because the Eugenics movement in the US used it as a tool of social engineering/class warfare instead of harm-reduction.

On the flip side, bleeding-hearts have made treatments for the severely mentally ill difficult, committing someone for more than a few days is a long drawn out legal process that drains hospital resources, which is why we have so many homeless.

Like that bleeding-heart, Ronald Regan, huh? What a pansy-ass LIB!!!


It was a mix of both, the bleeding-hearts made commitment, forcing treatment, etc much more difficult to do and governments jumped on the idea of just giving the mentally ill a prescription and sending them home to cut funding to mental hospitals.

My brother Ron is a great book on the subject.
 
2013-10-11 03:13:16 PM  
you said Texas twice

Bathia_Mapes: enderthexenocide: Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children ...

oh, they must be talking about andrea yates, i remember her.

Leatrice Brewer, 33, was found not guilty because of mental disease

holy crap there's more than one woman who drowned her own kids in a bathtub?

I knew it wasn't Andrea Yates for a few reasons. 1) She's from Texas, not Long Island, 2) Yates drown her five children & 3) She's currently in a mental institution in Texas

 
2013-10-11 03:13:41 PM  

cryinoutloud: Philimus: Yes, but fortunately the courts are more interested in understanding why these women did it, and taking their mental health into account, than in just administering punishment as would surely be the case if a father murdered all of his children. Yay for double standards, and I'm not even trying to make this a men's rights issue. Sometimes there really is a good reason to remember Emerson's adage about how "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
\Criminal injustice system is still broken.

Cry me a goddamn river. She's locked up in a nuthouse for the rest of her life, and even if by some fluke she gets released--which is unlikely, since she's not only black, she's probably poor--she's too loony to ever have any quality of life or enjoy any freedom she may ever have. I'm sorry that you resent her shiatty life as some representation of how easy women have it. If she ever does gets better, the only "better" thought in her head is going to be how she killed all her kids.

Maybe if Andrea Yeager's farking husband had been paying enough attention to his wife as something other than a baby-maker, he'd have noticed that she was dangerously depressed (even told not to have any more kids because of her severe mental health issues), and that she wasn't capable of taking care of the kids. But no, he knocked her up with the fifth kid instead, she finally snapped from post-partum depression and her other issues, and killed them all. And everyone felt so bad for the man who lost all his kids. I'd love to see how he rationalizes all of that in his head, today. And the guy worked for NASA, I don't think he was some of idiot who just couldn't see what was going on. You don't miss it when your damn wife is schizophrenic.


2/10

Reading comprehension is your friend. Try it sometime. If you'd bothered to actually understand what I wrote, you'd know that I was expressing compassion for both Andrea Yates and the woman in TFA. For what it's worth, I think the crimes of both women should be considered in the context of the situations they were in when they committed them. And I do not believe they should be condemned to live in shiatty mental  institutions for the rest of their days if they can make enough progress to where they are no longer a danger to themselves or others.

However, I'm just a little puzzled that you seem to believe equal consideration should not apply to the crimes men commit. Then again, with your obvious anger management and rage issues, there's not much point in engaging your further.

Enjoy your white hot hate. I am sure it will keep you warm at night.
 
2013-10-11 03:18:14 PM  

enderthexenocide: Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children ...

oh, they must be talking about andrea yates, i remember her.

Leatrice Brewer, 33, was found not guilty because of mental disease

holy crap there's more than one woman who drowned her own kids in a bathtub?


It's the most common way for mothers to kill their children, actually.
 
2013-10-11 03:19:56 PM  

garandman1a: We could just have the NSA take care of it then.


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2013-10-11 03:21:29 PM  
"You came in that? You're braver than I thought!" -Princess Leia Organa

gizmokid18: A mother who drowned her own children has given birth to another child -- while in a secure, state-run psychiatric facility. Pei-Sze Cheng has the exclusive

I quick read that as "Pea Size" and couldn't even start reading the article I was laughing so hard.


The unfortunate thing is he changed it from Pei-Sze Dong so people would stop laughing at him.
 
2013-10-11 03:26:05 PM  

FatherChaos: Can you imagine that poor kid's life?  At some point, they have to tell him/her about what mommy did.  Man, I can't imagine that.

What's worse, mental illness can be hereditary.


They don't have to tell the kid anything. He'll probably be put up for adoption with his birth certificate altered - I doubt he'll ever know.
 
2013-10-11 03:29:44 PM  
The town of Truro, MA dna tested all its males to solve the 2002 rape and murder of Christa Worthington. There was no warrant; there was the insinuation that if you refused, you did it and the whole town would know that you did it. In a small, insular town where families tend to live for generations, that was enough. There were no refusals. The testing ended up clearing the main suspect, the shellfish warden who had a child with the victim and was engaged in a custody dispute, and convicted a garbage man who had never even been on the radar. Why he took the test, I don't know.

This same pressure to test probably wouldn't fly here for many reasons, not the least of which being that it would be up for discussion whether a crime was committed or not. This would probably involve a hearing as to if she was competent to consent to sex, if it was claimed that the sex was consensual.

The Truro case is interesting, though.
 
2013-10-11 03:37:30 PM  

illannoyin: "You came in that? You're braver than I thought!" -Princess Leia Organa

gizmokid18: A mother who drowned her own children has given birth to another child -- while in a secure, state-run psychiatric facility. Pei-Sze Cheng has the exclusive

I quick read that as "Pea Size" and couldn't even start reading the article I was laughing so hard.

The unfortunate thing is he changed it from Pei-Sze Dong so people would stop laughing at him.


LOL......thank you for continuing my loss of productivity at work
 
2013-10-11 03:48:37 PM  

namegoeshere: The town of Truro, MA dna tested all its males to solve the 2002 rape and murder of Christa Worthington. There was no warrant; there was the insinuation that if you refused, you did it and the whole town would know that you did it. In a small, insular town where families tend to live for generations, that was enough. There were no refusals.



In looking that case up, there *WERE* a number of refusals.  And it was strictly voluntary, so it's not really a good analogy.
 
2013-10-11 03:52:52 PM  

namegoeshere: The town of Truro, MA dna tested all its males to solve the 2002 rape and murder of Christa Worthington. There was no warrant; there was the insinuation that if you refused, you did it and the whole town would know that you did it. In a small, insular town where families tend to live for generations, that was enough. There were no refusals. The testing ended up clearing the main suspect, the shellfish warden who had a child with the victim and was engaged in a custody dispute, and convicted a garbage man who had never even been on the radar. Why he took the test, I don't know.

This same pressure to test probably wouldn't fly here for many reasons, not the least of which being that it would be up for discussion whether a crime was committed or not. This would probably involve a hearing as to if she was competent to consent to sex, if it was claimed that the sex was consensual.

The Truro case is interesting, though.


DNA testing isn't infallible. Granted, the accuracy rate is pretty darn close to perfect, but cross-contamination of samples can happen. I'd think long and hard before I voluntarily gave a DNA sample for such an investigation, regardless of whether I was innocent. But then the police would probably follow me around and wait until I disposed of a straw or plastic spoon or something and take my DNA from that. I saw an episode of Forensic Files where they nabbed a guy using DNA from a plastic spoon he threw away after eating a Blizzard at Dairy Queen.

/more of a Sonic Blast fan myself
//not a fan of criminal activity
 
2013-10-11 03:57:30 PM  

dittybopper: namegoeshere: The town of Truro, MA dna tested all its males to solve the 2002 rape and murder of Christa Worthington. There was no warrant; there was the insinuation that if you refused, you did it and the whole town would know that you did it. In a small, insular town where families tend to live for generations, that was enough. There were no refusals.


In looking that case up, there *WERE* a number of refusals.


I was going from memory. I must've been wrong about that. IIR, though, there were not many refusals. Again, I don't know why the garbage guy agreed.

And it was strictly voluntary, so it's not really a good analogy.

Which is why I said the bit about it probably wouldn't fly in this case. Still interesting.
 
2013-10-11 04:00:05 PM  

jlt: dittybopper: Sperm are very, very tiny and can fit through the cracks in doors and windows.

I laughed harder at that than I probably should have.


Me, too.
 
2013-10-11 04:02:31 PM  

dittybopper: namegoeshere: enderthexenocide: Remember that Long Island mother who drowned her three children ...

oh, they must be talking about andrea yates, i remember her.

Leatrice Brewer, 33, was found not guilty because of mental disease

holy crap there's more than one woman who drowned her own kids in a bathtub?

There's actually quite a few of them. Unfortunately.

It's actually more common for a mother to kill their children than it is for fathers.

According to the US Dept. of Health and Human services, 14.8% of child deaths due to maltreatment were because of the father acting alone, but 27.3% of the deaths were the mother acting alone.  Maltreatment by both mother and father accounted for a further 22.5%.


I'm guessing some of that is because it's more common for the mother to still be with her children than the father.  If a father isn't cut out to be a dad, he's a lot more likely to just run off and leave the mom with the baby.  A mom is more likely to stay stuck with the kids.  There are more kids living with just their moms in general than just their dad's,too.  So the percentage of moms being present at all being higher makes it easy for there to be a higher percentage of moms that end up murdering the kids.
 
2013-10-11 04:02:43 PM  

Olthoi: Bonus: You don't need to worry about birth control with her.


Well played Sir!!

/aisle sit
 
2013-10-11 04:06:16 PM  

natas6.0: even idiocracy couldn't see this coming


This is kind of the reverse of Idiocracy, don't you think?
 
2013-10-11 04:07:03 PM  
Womb's have ruined more lifes than anything else. Shouldn't there be a 10 day waiting period before someone is allowed to use one?
 
2013-10-11 04:11:06 PM  
I thought the rule was never to stick your dick in crazy... but as they say, a stiff dick has no conscious.
 
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