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(Fox News)   New report shows that the Obama administration has created a "chilling effect" on the free press unseen since...well, you already know who else had a chilling effect on the free press, so I'll just stop there   (foxnews.com) divider line 220
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2013-10-11 12:25:43 PM

LasersHurt: Though the racist accusations are dumb and probably just trolling, of course.


I couldn't agree more with this....

So sad that some people who post crap like that are actually serious and not just trolling.
 
2013-10-11 12:26:07 PM

busy chillin': I read a bunch of the comments from the link. WTF is my problem?

Obama is Hitler? Hyperbole is the most awesome thing ever in the entire universe.


I used to think that, until I realized that hyperbole is worse than Hitler.
 
2013-10-11 12:26:29 PM

Cletus C.: Don't let the Fox link fool you. This really is a thing.

"In the Obama administration's Washington, government officials are increasingly afraid to talk to the press,. The administration's war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I've seen since the Nixon administration, when I was one of the editors involved in The Washington Post's investigation of Watergate." - Leonard Downie Jr., a former executive editor of The Washington Post


Oh wow a guy said it who used to be a newspaperman! It must be true, screw evidence, this is all we need!
 
2013-10-11 12:28:25 PM

jakomo002: LasersHurt: Common sense would dictate that you ask if there have been more leaks, hence more prosecution. Or different TYPES of leaks, as not all are created equal. Or perhaps evaluate whether the word "aggressive" meant anything in the context you used it.

Okay:    "The administration's war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I've seen since the Nixon administration, when I was one of the editors involved in The Washington Post's investigation of Watergate," writes Downie. "The 30 experienced Washington journalists at a variety of news organizations whom I interviewed for this report could not remember any precedent."...

In at least two of these cases, journalists' communications were seized by the department of justice. Broader awareness of government surveillance, in part thanks to the revelations of NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, has created a climate of fear for journalists. "I worry now about calling somebody because the contact can be found out through a check of phone records or e-mails," said veteran national security journalist R. Jeffrey Smith of the Center for Public Integrity.


You didn't answer any of my questions, you just posted some dude's opinion and noted that two things happened. Two. Two things.
 
2013-10-11 12:29:06 PM
He's an ineffective leader!
He's a tyrant!

He's an empty suit!
He's imposing a socialist regime!

He's too weak to do anything!
His policies are crushing freedom!

Stop contradicting yourselves, I won't know what to think if you keep mixing up your talking points!
 
2013-10-11 12:29:48 PM
From the comments on that article:


"Well, lets compare the White House to many of Americas once great cities.  A large population of minorities moves in.  Minorities soon take control of the leadership positions. They begin to cater to those who take without giving, inviting some of the worse  elements in society.  Criminals are given free rein, and the once long arm of justice is told to stand down.  Lies become the norm, and elaborate schemes are concocted to hide the truth.  Starting to sound familiar?"


No, no it's not. But go on, person whose vote counts as much as mine.
 
2013-10-11 12:32:36 PM
Fox News' mere continued existence is proof positive that Obama isn't cracking down on "news" organizations.
 
2013-10-11 12:33:13 PM

LasersHurt: Common sense would dictate that you ask if there have been more leaks, hence more prosecution. Or different TYPES of leaks, as not all are created equal. Or perhaps evaluate whether the word "aggressive" meant anything in the context you used it.


So read the article and google for more info, more sources, and see the truth of the article for yourself.  Do you need me to hold your hand?  Cripes.

I'll start you off with a total lefty site.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/10-7
 
2013-10-11 12:34:01 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: From the comments on that article:


"Well, lets compare the White House to many of Americas once great cities.  A large population of minorities moves in.  Minorities soon take control of the leadership positions. They begin to cater to those who take without giving, inviting some of the worse  elements in society.  Criminals are given free rein, and the once long arm of justice is told to stand down.  Lies become the norm, and elaborate schemes are concocted to hide the truth.  Starting to sound familiar?"


No, no it's not. But go on, person whose vote counts as much as mine.


Wow, so subtle with his racism.  The bigoted white people are really scared of losing their America.
 
2013-10-11 12:34:44 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: From the comments on that article:


"Well, lets compare the White House to many of Americas once great cities.  A large population of minorities moves in.  Minorities soon take control of the leadership positions. They begin to cater to those who take without giving, inviting some of the worse  elements in society.  Criminals are given free rein, and the once long arm of justice is told to stand down.  Lies become the norm, and elaborate schemes are concocted to hide the truth.  Starting to sound familiar?"


No, no it's not. But go on, person whose vote counts as much as mine.


Wow, that's not implied racism at all... NO!
 
2013-10-11 12:35:01 PM
This is the full report.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:17 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Mr_Fabulous: [img.fark.net image 612x612]

Are you farking kidding me?!


SordidEuphemism: ...bwuh. ##NO CARRIER##


Cuthbert Allgood: Chapelle is a precog!


I'm an Egyptian!: Please tell me that bottom half of the image is shooped. Even if it's not, just tell me it is.


Yes, it's shooped.
thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com
The "O"riginal

thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com
Yet another lame 'shoop attempt to use that same frame of video to smear Fox.

This sort of thing upsets me. We don't need to stoop to Fox's level. The real stuff they really do is bad enough.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:31 PM

I'm an Egyptian!: Mr_Fabulous: [img.fark.net image 612x612]

Please tell me that bottom half of the image is shooped. Even if it's not, just tell me it is.


It apparently is. So's the right side.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:41 PM

LasersHurt: You didn't answer any of my questions, you just posted some dude's opinion and noted that two things happened. Two. Two things.


I was responding to this, sorry.
 
2013-10-11 12:36:15 PM

Amish Tech Support: Fox news: "You can't trust any other news source besides us, because they are all horribly bias. But not us! You can totally trust us! Our founder Rupert Murdoch is a 82 year old guy married to a 44 old women. But we are the channel of American moral values! Now watch this commercial"


Not any more.  Wendy dumped his saggy white ass and filed for divorce.
 
2013-10-11 12:39:39 PM

LazarusLong42: busy chillin': I read a bunch of the comments from the link. WTF is my problem?

Obama is Hitler? Hyperbole is the most awesome thing ever in the entire universe.

I used to think that, until I realized that hyperbole is worse than Hitler.


whynotboth.jpg

/oblig
 
2013-10-11 12:40:35 PM

Weaver95: Fox news complaining about freedom of the press? I don't know if I should laugh or cry....


I think Fox just admitted what they do is not journalism.
 
2013-10-11 12:40:54 PM
Looking at prosecutions on their own doesn't tell us anything. It could be that leaks were more tolerated, but nevertheless illegal. It could be that there are more leaks. It's hard to say there's a chilling effect when everyone is printing top secret documents on their web site knowing full well that the government isn't going to kick down their doors for doing so. The media's very actions belie their assertions of victimhood.
 
2013-10-11 12:41:28 PM

jakomo002: LasersHurt: Common sense would dictate that you ask if there have been more leaks, hence more prosecution. Or different TYPES of leaks, as not all are created equal. Or perhaps evaluate whether the word "aggressive" meant anything in the context you used it.

So read the article and google for more info, more sources, and see the truth of the article for yourself.  Do you need me to hold your hand?  Cripes.

I'll start you off with a total lefty site.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/10-7


It's not about saying the same thing over and over, it's about proving that your rhetoric of "aggression" and "unprecedented" events MEANS anything. It doesn't. I do not think you can argue that the press is sincerely less free, and I don't care if you try to dress it up from a Left or Right position.
 
2013-10-11 12:44:31 PM
Wow, why am I not surprised that this story is being blown off because it's Obama.

Same ol' deflections; racism, has to be bullshiat because I don't like the source, and the obligatory BBBUT BUshia

this place has become too predictable.
 
2013-10-11 12:44:40 PM

Corvus: Bareefer Obonghit: From the comments on that article:


"Well, lets compare the White House to many of Americas once great cities.  A large population of minorities moves in.  Minorities soon take control of the leadership positions. They begin to cater to those who take without giving, inviting some of the worse  elements in society.  Criminals are given free rein, and the once long arm of justice is told to stand down.  Lies become the norm, and elaborate schemes are concocted to hide the truth.  Starting to sound familiar?"


No, no it's not. But go on, person whose vote counts as much as mine.

Wow, that's not implied racism at all... NO!


That commenter goes on to say they should spray paint their names on the White House because it's their culture.
 
2013-10-11 12:49:05 PM
The report quotes a whole bunch of respected reporters from the top news organizations saying they've never seen such an obsession with controlling information coming from the White House. Sources are fearful of saying anything.

It also cites several times the president's speeches where he pledges transparency in his administration.

That's where we are.
 
2013-10-11 12:51:44 PM

LasersHurt: jakomo002: LasersHurt: Common sense would dictate that you ask if there have been more leaks, hence more prosecution. Or different TYPES of leaks, as not all are created equal. Or perhaps evaluate whether the word "aggressive" meant anything in the context you used it.

So read the article and google for more info, more sources, and see the truth of the article for yourself.  Do you need me to hold your hand?  Cripes.

I'll start you off with a total lefty site.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/10-7

It's not about saying the same thing over and over, it's about proving that your rhetoric of "aggression" and "unprecedented" events MEANS anything. It doesn't. I do not think you can argue that the press is sincerely less free, and I don't care if you try to dress it up from a Left or Right position.



What is a metric that you would accept as evidence of the claim?
 
2013-10-11 12:52:09 PM

crab66: We get it. He's black and you don't like him.


GanjSmokr: jakomo002: To be fair, Obama has aggressively prosecuted more leakers than all other administrations combined....

Could you be any more racist??  Wow.  We get it, he's blah.


LasersHurt: The press is totally less free, because reasons. Definitely. Ask them. They're all "Oh man, my freedom."

Politics tab never disappoints.
 
2013-10-11 12:53:05 PM

LasersHurt: It's not about saying the same thing over and over, it's about proving that your rhetoric of "aggression" and "unprecedented" events MEANS anything. It doesn't. I do not think you can argue that the press is sincerely less free, and I don't care if you try to dress it up from a Left or Right position.


READ the actual report and judge for yourself, I really don't care.  I didn't report it and I have no reason to defend the veracity of it.

Read it and think for yourself what it proves and doesn't.

/buhbye
 
2013-10-11 12:53:14 PM
What the hell would Fox News know about journalism?  Except to make sure they keep one "token" journalist around.
 
2013-10-11 12:55:54 PM

Cubicle Jockey: What is a metric that you would accept as evidence of the claim?


I'd like us to stop defining "free press" solely as the ability to report governmental information, as it's more than that.

I'd also like them to stop defining "transparency" as "me getting literally anything I want, when I want it."

In short, if you want to prove the press isn't free, you need to... prove that. Not just say "we wish we could get more from the White House, also sometimes leaks of classified info get prosecuted."

I mean in the Civil Rights era there was a recognition that Civil Disobedience involved breaking a law AND facing the consequences of it. Having 2 cases of someone being investigated surrounding classified leaks does not prove the press is not free, that's hyperbole.
 
2013-10-11 12:55:55 PM

wooden_badger: What the hell would Fox News know about journalism?  Except to make sure they keep one "token" journalist around.


They know how to post stories from The Associated Press. So there's that.
 
2013-10-11 12:56:14 PM
Uh, isn't this obvious? Look, I voted for Obama twice, and I don't regret it. But to say that he HASN'T aggressively pursued leaks and whistleblowers, well, that's just an outright lie. I consider it one of Obama's two major failings as POTUS, the other being his failure to break apart the Too Big To Fail banks.
 
2013-10-11 12:56:51 PM

jakomo002: LasersHurt: It's not about saying the same thing over and over, it's about proving that your rhetoric of "aggression" and "unprecedented" events MEANS anything. It doesn't. I do not think you can argue that the press is sincerely less free, and I don't care if you try to dress it up from a Left or Right position.

READ the actual report and judge for yourself, I really don't care.  I didn't report it and I have no reason to defend the veracity of it.

Read it and think for yourself what it proves and doesn't.

/buhbye


I did, and I disagree with you. That's sort of the crux of our interaction, we have different opinions. Sorry?
 
2013-10-11 12:57:30 PM
I am surprised at the surprise of this. It is what wanna-be dictators do after all.
 
2013-10-11 12:59:23 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Uh, isn't this obvious? Look, I voted for Obama twice, and I don't regret it. But to say that he HASN'T aggressively pursued leaks and whistleblowers, well, that's just an outright lie. I consider it one of Obama's two major failings as POTUS, the other being his failure to break apart the Too Big To Fail banks.


Maybe this is a "me" problem - what is the difference between "aggressively" pursuing something, and pursuing it at all? What is the reason everyone keeps saying "aggressive"? It seems like "any pursuit" is "aggressive" and I don't understand that, but maybe I'm missing something.

I will also never agree with anyone who lumps together Whistleblowing and Leaking. They are different. Hence the two words.
 
2013-10-11 12:59:50 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Weaver95: Fox news complaining about freedom of the press? I don't know if I should laugh or cry....

It's an AP story.


Assimilated Press.
 
2013-10-11 01:00:13 PM

floor: Weaver95: Fox news complaining about freedom of the press? I don't know if I should laugh or cry....

I think Fox just admitted what they do is not journalism.


I think you both just admitted what you do is not reading.
 
2013-10-11 01:00:52 PM

Vectron: crab66: We get it. He's black and you don't like him.

GanjSmokr: jakomo002: To be fair, Obama has aggressively prosecuted more leakers than all other administrations combined....

Could you be any more racist??  Wow.  We get it, he's blah.

LasersHurt: The press is totally less free, because reasons. Definitely. Ask them. They're all "Oh man, my freedom."

Politics tab never disappoints.



At least one of those was posted to make fun of those that would seriously post idiocy like that.
 
2013-10-11 01:01:56 PM
Interesting- glad the non-Fox News link was posted so I could read over it.

It is interesting noting how many prosecutions they've had, and that it is so much more than in the past. More useful I'd think would be knowing whether there were leaks/incidents of a similar nature/severity in the past and what was done about it. Is it possible there have just been more people leaking info, and thus a greater need to crack down on them? Perhaps more people out to get the administration or who take issue with their policies and thus trying to damage them by leaking secrets? Could the administration just be more open about tackling the leaks and thus more open to being criticized for it vs. perhaps handling it under the table/off the books? I'd think any of these are possible- as is that possibility that they're just being more aggressive about information management and less transparent, although truly quantifying 'transparency' when nobody really knows everything that is going on is difficult.
 
2013-10-11 01:02:27 PM

LasersHurt: jakomo002: LasersHurt: It's not about saying the same thing over and over, it's about proving that your rhetoric of "aggression" and "unprecedented" events MEANS anything. It doesn't. I do not think you can argue that the press is sincerely less free, and I don't care if you try to dress it up from a Left or Right position.

READ the actual report and judge for yourself, I really don't care.  I didn't report it and I have no reason to defend the veracity of it.

Read it and think for yourself what it proves and doesn't.

/buhbye

I did, and I disagree with you. That's sort of the crux of our interaction, we have different opinions. Sorry?


So you think the report is a lie?  That everyone quoted and interviewed on record was lying?
 
2013-10-11 01:03:47 PM

jakomo002: So you think the report is a lie?  That everyone quoted and interviewed on record was lying?


So you think it's okay to just make shiat up? I didn't say anything was a lie, I'm talking about the CONCLUSIONS you're drawing. Surely you must understand that.

If you can reply without hyperbole and accusation, feel free.
 
2013-10-11 01:05:48 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Mr_Fabulous: [img.fark.net image 612x612]

Are you farking kidding me?!


SordidEuphemism: ...bwuh. ##NO CARRIER##


Cuthbert Allgood: Chapelle is a precog!


I'm an Egyptian!: Please tell me that bottom half of the image is shooped. Even if it's not, just tell me it is.


Yes, it's shooped.
thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com
The "O"riginal

thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com
Yet another lame 'shoop attempt to use that same frame of video to smear Fox.

This sort of thing upsets me. We don't need to stoop to Fox's level. The real stuff they really do is bad enough.

Re-posted with original image scaled to be precisely the original per-pixel size when viewed on a 2× "retina"-type display (full 1× original size is too big for FARK).

Note that Fox News uses all UPPERCASE AVANT GARDE GOTHIC DEMIBOLD CONDENSED font for its headlines in that section on the maroon patterned background.
 
2013-10-11 01:06:35 PM
To bypass journalists, the White House developed its own network of websites, social media and even created an online newscast to dispense favorable information and images. In some cases, the White House produces videos of the president's meetings with major figures that were never listed on his public schedule. Instead, they were kept secret -- a departure from past administrations, the report noted.

Forward!

images.sodahead.com
 
2013-10-11 01:07:46 PM

LasersHurt: I will also never agree with anyone who lumps together Whistleblowing and Leaking. They are different. Hence the two words.


same with torture and enhanced interrogation.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:01 PM

LasersHurt: Mike Chewbacca: Uh, isn't this obvious? Look, I voted for Obama twice, and I don't regret it. But to say that he HASN'T aggressively pursued leaks and whistleblowers, well, that's just an outright lie. I consider it one of Obama's two major failings as POTUS, the other being his failure to break apart the Too Big To Fail banks.

Maybe this is a "me" problem - what is the difference between "aggressively" pursuing something, and pursuing it at all? What is the reason everyone keeps saying "aggressive"? It seems like "any pursuit" is "aggressive" and I don't understand that, but maybe I'm missing something.

I will also never agree with anyone who lumps together Whistleblowing and Leaking. They are different. Hence the two words.


In my mind, "aggressively" means "actually wants to succeed." For reference, the Bush version of a leak investigation resulted in Scooter Libby being the fall guy for outing Valerie Plame, and then getting his sentence commuted and his fine paid for by the Bushes (I think it was them; either way his fine was paid). Meanwhile, Armitage and Rove walked away unblemished and free.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:26 PM

LasersHurt: Cubicle Jockey: What is a metric that you would accept as evidence of the claim?

I'd like us to stop defining "free press" solely as the ability to report governmental information, as it's more than that.

I'd also like them to stop defining "transparency" as "me getting literally anything I want, when I want it."

In short, if you want to prove the press isn't free, you need to... prove that. Not just say "we wish we could get more from the White House, also sometimes leaks of classified info get prosecuted."

I mean in the Civil Rights era there was a recognition that Civil Disobedience involved breaking a law AND facing the consequences of it. Having 2 cases of someone being investigated surrounding classified leaks does not prove the press is not free, that's hyperbole.



I think you've taken this a fine direction.  Part of what you seem to be saying is it's fully possible to have a "free press" but that doesn't mean 100% unfettered access and so on.  But no one is claiming the press is not free (read: 0%), they are claiming the press is less free than before.

LasersHurt: I will also never agree with anyone who lumps together Whistleblowing and Leaking. They are different. Hence the two words.



I'll never agree with anyone who thinks the difference between whistleblowing and leaking is clear cut.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:33 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/us/phone-records-of-journalists-of-t he-associated-press-seized-by-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Federal investigators secretly seized two months of phone records for reporters and editors of The Associated Press in what the news organization said Monday was a "serious interference with A.P.'s constitutional rights to gather and report the news."

The A.P. said that the Justice Department informed it on Friday that law enforcement officials had obtained the records for more than 20 telephone lines of its offices and journalists, including their home phones and cellphones. It said the records were seized without notice sometime this year.



The organization was not told the reason for the seizure. But the timing and the specific journalistic targets strongly suggested they are related to a continuing government investigation into the leaking of information a year ago about the Central Intelligence Agency's disruption of a Yemen-based terrorist plot to bomb an airliner.

See that's aggressive.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:45 PM
Fox News has the most viewers but somehow they're not mainstream media too bad libs
 
2013-10-11 01:10:05 PM

lennavan: I think you've taken this a fine direction. Part of what you seem to be saying is it's fully possible to have a "free press" but that doesn't mean 100% unfettered access and so on. But no one is claiming the press is not free (read: 0%), they are claiming the press is less free than before.


I think the fact that our news media just doesn't give a shiat anymore and doesn't attempt to give us actual information is significantly more harmful to our nation than Obama's attempts to curb whisteblowing.
 
2013-10-11 01:10:49 PM

Mike Chewbacca: lennavan: I think you've taken this a fine direction. Part of what you seem to be saying is it's fully possible to have a "free press" but that doesn't mean 100% unfettered access and so on. But no one is claiming the press is not free (read: 0%), they are claiming the press is less free than before.

I think the fact that our news media just doesn't give a shiat anymore and doesn't attempt to give us actual information is significantly more harmful to our nation than Obama's attempts to curb whisteblowing.


And it's actually more than that. Our "news" media is actually attempting to obfuscate the truth, because it suits their corporate masters.
 
2013-10-11 01:11:29 PM

Headso: LasersHurt: I will also never agree with anyone who lumps together Whistleblowing and Leaking. They are different. Hence the two words.

same with torture and enhanced interrogation.


Never make analogies again.
 
2013-10-11 01:11:56 PM
Can Obama just step down and let the white VP lead the country for a while? Obviously this sounds racist, but a black buy being President is like the US making our Ambassador to Saudi Arabia a woman, and then we expect them to get along. We would never make our Saudi Ambassador a woman due to cultural issues, so it's probably time that we remove our first black President from office due to our own backwards cultural issues. We can try again in another 50 years or so.
 
2013-10-11 01:13:24 PM

LasersHurt: The press is totally less free, because reasons. Definitely. Ask them. They're all "Oh man, my freedom."


Totes harshing on mah freedoms.
 
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