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2013-10-11 09:11:35 AM  
If by "win" you mean "pay out the nose for something the taxpayers have already paid for, if only Congress could get their heads out of their own asses" yeah, it's a "win."

Site specific, and redundant. It's getting Utah taxpayers to pay for this twice. Brilliant solution folks. Absolutely brilliant to call dipping into taxpayer's pockets twice this a "win."

Keep f*cking that chicken, Smitty...
 
2013-10-11 09:17:18 AM  

hubiestubert: Keep f*cking that chicken, Smitty...


your sarcasm meter seems to be off
 
2013-10-11 09:30:20 AM  

hubiestubert: If by "win" you mean "pay out the nose for something the taxpayers have already paid for, if only Congress could get their heads out of their own asses" yeah, it's a "win."

Site specific, and redundant. It's getting Utah taxpayers to pay for this twice. Brilliant solution folks. Absolutely brilliant to call dipping into taxpayer's pockets twice this a "win."

Keep f*cking that chicken, Smitty...


Imagine a whole bunch of services/workers being funded directly by States.  Then after the shutdown all the Federal employees getting back-pay for when they weren't working.  Can't they see that is all a secret Fartbongo tax and spend strategy/jobs program.
 
2013-10-11 09:35:09 AM  

somedude210: hubiestubert: Keep f*cking that chicken, Smitty...

your sarcasm meter seems to be off


No, I'm attempting to beat the folks who will roll in and claim exactly this. Because freedom, or whatever recockulous talking point that they got this morning.

Utah DOES have a point in that there is economic fallout, but the National Parks thing is still just distraction, to avoid the real problems with the shutdown. Even after things start back up, there's a backlog of work piling up. A backlog that will cause more than just inconvenience to tourists, but is letting a LOT of services fall between the cracks, and the lack of oversight in some industries is going to cost the taxpayers a fair chunk more, and at this point, the GOP had best hope that a mine doesn't collapse, an outbreak from some meat packing plant, and in the meantime, there are a lot of folks scrambling to hide malfeasance while investigations pause. This shutdown isn't just causing some Federal employees to take a week off, but setting back work that has taken years to build, and is going to cause problems for months down the road. Not just in the National Parks, but across the country, and this bullsh*t with the parks, is just distraction. It is a nice way to get folks attention, while desperately trying to shove those problems, and their attendant costs under the rug. It is just waving a hand with a flourish, and I've known a few too many carnies in my day to keep attention ONLY at what is being displayed with said desperation.

Well, except for maybe the carny's big titted girlfriend. Yeah, she's distraction, but sometimes you go to the booths for JUST that sort of thing. You don't really want to go home with it, but at least the scenery is nice, and sometimes you can at least appreciate the craft in that sort of grift. This mess is just an invitation for grift on a nationwide scale, and folks are cheering for it. Which, I suppose, IS politics in general...
 
2013-10-11 09:36:21 AM  
As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.
 
2013-10-11 09:37:28 AM  
hubiestubert: It's getting Utah taxpayers to pay for this twice. Brilliant solution folks. Absolutely brilliant to call dipping into taxpayer's pockets twice this a "win."

And next November, Utah taxpayers will likely vote again for "small government" candidates, never stopping to consider that the federal government is the state's largest employer and apparently vital to the local economy.

The rest of us will facepalm ourselves into oblivion.
 
2013-10-11 09:59:18 AM  

MarshHawk: hubiestubert: It's getting Utah taxpayers to pay for this twice. Brilliant solution folks. Absolutely brilliant to call dipping into taxpayer's pockets twice this a "win."

And next November, Utah taxpayers will likely vote again for "small government" candidates, never stopping to consider that the federal government is the state's largest employer and apparently vital to the local economy.

The rest of us will facepalm ourselves into oblivion.


As a Washington State left coast resident, facepalming at Utah is already a well known experience.
 
2013-10-11 10:16:43 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.


Not a Utahn (that just looks weird...) but right there with you- I'd be saying the same thing were they to try something like that here in Kentucky where my shiatstain of a congressman (still want to know how that fartknocking teabagger ended up as the rep for one of the bluest islands in the state...) was part of the charge to make all of this happen.

If there's one thing that the Dem need to do, it's keep track of all of the ways that the shutdown impacts each local area and run ads in the districts where the Tea Party reps are from linking the rep to that impact and pointing out "Elections Have Consequences."
 
2013-10-11 10:19:42 AM  
Hubies, just took what I was going to say and said it with more insight and acid than I would have been able to apply.

Here's to you, Hubiestu.
 
2013-10-11 10:36:03 AM  
Went to Zion and Bryce Canyon last year. Both are amazing.
 
2013-10-11 10:40:42 AM  

hubiestubert: No, I'm attempting to beat the folks who will roll in and claim exactly this.


That's like trying to beat a tsunami by bringing a shovel out surfing with you.
 
2013-10-11 10:41:22 AM  
Meanwhile Gettysburg remains closed.
 
2013-10-11 10:43:38 AM  
NO FARKING WAY.  Everyone needs to be on their phone NOW to their congresscritters to DEMAND this deal be Scrapped IMMEDIATELY.  I'm going to Whitehouse.gov right now to start a petition to that effect.  The shutdown is going to cost Utah $100 million is the parks don't re-open. GOOD.  THEY sent the architect of the shutdown , Sen Mike Lee to Washington, so they SHOULD suffer its consequences.   Other places around the country, most notably the metro-DC area have been just as devastated by this shutdown, and nobody is riding to their rescue.  The is NO FARKING WAY this should be allowed to happen.  FARK UTAH, don't like the shutdown?, vote better next time.
 
2013-10-11 10:44:58 AM  
Lovely.  Guess what function of White House.gov is shutdown by the shutdown?....fark....
 
2013-10-11 10:45:24 AM  
Good.  Let's cut off their federal park dollars permanently.  Looks like they don't need them.  That is the conservative fiscal approach, right?
 
2013-10-11 10:46:14 AM  

Magorn: NO FARKING WAY.  Everyone needs to be on their phone NOW to their congresscritters to DEMAND this deal be Scrapped IMMEDIATELY.  I'm going to Whitehouse.gov right now to start a petition to that effect.  The shutdown is going to cost Utah $100 million is the parks don't re-open. GOOD.  THEY sent the architect of the shutdown , Sen Mike Lee to Washington, so they SHOULD suffer its consequences.   Other places around the country, most notably the metro-DC area have been just as devastated by this shutdown, and nobody is riding to their rescue.  The is NO FARKING WAY this should be allowed to happen.  FARK UTAH, don't like the shutdown?, vote better next time.


In 1884, meridian time personnel met in Washington to change Earth time. First words said was that only 1 day could be used on Earth to not change the 1 day bible. So they applied the 1 day and ignored the other 3 days. The bible time was wrong then and it proved wrong today. This a major lie has so much evil feed from it's wrong. No man on Earth has no belly-button, it proves every believer on Earth a liar.
 
2013-10-11 10:47:26 AM  
This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.
 
2013-10-11 10:49:01 AM  

lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.


Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.
 
2013-10-11 10:49:17 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Good.  Let's cut off their federal park dollars permanently.  Looks like they don't need them.  That is the conservative fiscal approach, right?


Yes.  F*CK EM.  This is what they wanted.

//Government, meet bathtub full of water.
 
2013-10-11 10:50:14 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.


It is so hard for the Tea-Party to comprehend that what they are asking for is not in their own self-interest.
 
2013-10-11 10:50:21 AM  
Silly libs, government doesn't have anything to do with jobs.
 
2013-10-11 10:51:33 AM  

Magorn: NO FARKING WAY.  Everyone needs to be on their phone NOW to their congresscritters to DEMAND this deal be Scrapped IMMEDIATELY.  I'm going to Whitehouse.gov right now to start a petition to that effect.  The shutdown is going to cost Utah $100 million is the parks don't re-open. GOOD.  THEY sent the architect of the shutdown , Sen Mike Lee to Washington, so they SHOULD suffer its consequences.   Other places around the country, most notably the metro-DC area have been just as devastated by this shutdown, and nobody is riding to their rescue.  The is NO FARKING WAY this should be allowed to happen.  FARK UTAH, don't like the shutdown?, vote better next time.


Farking THIS, and I'm coming from NC, the latest addition to the Nation of Derpistan. Frankly, we should shut down every damn federal park, forest, military base or facility, FAA, Social Security, etc until this is resolved, period. No flights, no tourist monies coming in, no money spent in backwater military towns, no checks to grandma, NOTHING.

The farkers that voted these idiots in need to suffer, and suffer greatly. The ones that didn't vote at all need to get it in their thick heads that yes, elections have consequences.  The ones that voted against the teabaggers need a reminder to get off their asses and hit the pavement  hard and get out the next election cycle.
 
2013-10-11 10:52:03 AM  

hubiestubert: somedude210: hubiestubert: Keep f*cking that chicken, Smitty...

your sarcasm meter seems to be off

No, I'm attempting to beat the folks who will roll in and claim exactly this. Because freedom, or whatever recockulous talking point that they got this morning.

Utah DOES have a point in that there is economic fallout, but the National Parks thing is still just distraction, to avoid the real problems with the shutdown. Even after things start back up, there's a backlog of work piling up. A backlog that will cause more than just inconvenience to tourists, but is letting a LOT of services fall between the cracks, and the lack of oversight in some industries is going to cost the taxpayers a fair chunk more, and at this point, the GOP had best hope that a mine doesn't collapse, an outbreak from some meat packing plant, and in the meantime, there are a lot of folks scrambling to hide malfeasance while investigations pause. This shutdown isn't just causing some Federal employees to take a week off, but setting back work that has taken years to build, and is going to cause problems for months down the road. Not just in the National Parks, but across the country, and this bullsh*t with the parks, is just distraction. It is a nice way to get folks attention, while desperately trying to shove those problems, and their attendant costs under the rug. It is just waving a hand with a flourish, and I've known a few too many carnies in my day to keep attention ONLY at what is being displayed with said desperation.

Well, except for maybe the carny's big titted girlfriend. Yeah, she's distraction, but sometimes you go to the booths for JUST that sort of thing. You don't really want to go home with it, but at least the scenery is nice, and sometimes you can at least appreciate the craft in that sort of grift. This mess is just an invitation for grift on a nationwide scale, and folks are cheering for it. Which, I suppose, IS politics in general...


Hey.  All I knows is that the day after the shutdown the sun came up and I went to work as usual.  So don't tell me that I need no government!!!!!!
 
2013-10-11 10:53:01 AM  
My trips to those parks are unforgettable.
I'm glad tourists will be able to see these places.

/My park remains closed.
 
2013-10-11 10:53:34 AM  

lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.


But state gov't good.  Federal bad.
 
2013-10-11 10:56:01 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: My trips to those parks are unforgettable.
I'm glad tourists will be able to see these places.

/My park remains closed.


No, f*ck those tourists.  I want them to be sodomized by the stupidity of the GOP so that they never vote for these knuckle dragging bags of equine sh*t again.
 
2013-10-11 10:58:24 AM  

Ashyukun: Three Crooked Squirrels: As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.

Not a Utahn (that just looks weird...) but right there with you- I'd be saying the same thing were they to try something like that here in Kentucky where my shiatstain of a congressman (still want to know how that fartknocking teabagger ended up as the rep for one of the bluest islands in the state...) was part of the charge to make all of this happen.

If there's one thing that the Dem need to do, it's keep track of all of the ways that the shutdown impacts each local area and run ads in the districts where the Tea Party reps are from linking the rep to that impact and pointing out "Elections Have Consequences."


That's a big problem.  A lot of government spending is invisible to most people so they have a lot of trouble understanding why they are paying taxes.  The only thing they see is someone in front of them in the checkout line using foodstamps.  It's hard to see jobs that are not lost, outbreaks that are contained, collapsed mines that don't kill people, etc.
 
2013-10-11 11:01:46 AM  

monoski: It is so hard for the Tea-Party to comprehend


The answer to this question is always "yes", regardless of how it ends.
 
2013-10-11 11:04:24 AM  

joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.


So, perhaps these folks should be looking at their Representatives to get this thing back on track, as opposed to looking for a bailout from the State of Utah, for something that they've already paid taxes to fund. This is sort of like paying for a TV with your debit card, and then shelling out cash to get it out the door of the store, because you've GOT to see the big game.

If your taxes are already TOO HIGH, then why in the Hells are you looking to spend MOAR tax dollars, for a temporary measure?
 
2013-10-11 11:05:41 AM  
Woo-hoo!

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/oh
 
2013-10-11 11:09:14 AM  
Delicate Arch is amazing!
 
2013-10-11 11:10:53 AM  

joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.


If they brought in more money then they cost they wouldn't be closed, that is called revenue.
 
2013-10-11 11:11:48 AM  

joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.


Sure they do. But since a lot of people visit there from out of state knowing that the parks were shut down means they've probably changed their plans. I'm not sure a ten day window is going to provide enough momentum to get enough of that traffic back to recoup the state's expenses.
 
2013-10-11 11:12:02 AM  

hubiestubert: If your taxes are already TOO HIGH, then why in the Hells are you looking to spend MOAR tax dollars, for a temporary measure?


Because a black democrat is president.  It would be nice if the reasoning went deeper than that, but it just ... doesn't.
 
2013-10-11 11:14:09 AM  

coeyagi: HotIgneous Intruder: My trips to those parks are unforgettable.
I'm glad tourists will be able to see these places.

/My park remains closed.

No, f*ck those tourists.  I want them to be sodomized by the stupidity of the GOP so that they never vote for these knuckle dragging bags of equine sh*t again.


Good luck with that. The talking points for low information voters are that Obama did this for punative measures.
 
2013-10-11 11:15:05 AM  

Fart_Machine: coeyagi: HotIgneous Intruder: My trips to those parks are unforgettable.
I'm glad tourists will be able to see these places.

/My park remains closed.

No, f*ck those tourists.  I want them to be sodomized by the stupidity of the GOP so that they never vote for these knuckle dragging bags of equine sh*t again.

Good luck with that. The talking points for low information voters are that Obama did this for punative measures.


Yeah, I know.  Obama caused Katrina too.  Seriously, nothing surprises me anymore.
 
2013-10-11 11:27:00 AM  

lockers: joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.

If they brought in more money then they cost they wouldn't be closed, that is called revenue.


Actually as I understand it the shutdown (and to some extend, sequester) doesn't really discriminate in that way. It doesn't matter if something is bringing in revenue- just whether it's considered 'essential'. And parks/monuments are certainly less 'essential' than many other services (many of which are ALSO shut down...).
 
2013-10-11 11:28:40 AM  
The federal government is still closed? I haven't noticed......
 
2013-10-11 11:29:54 AM  

lockers: joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.

If they brought in more money then they cost they wouldn't be closed, that is called revenue.


I can all but guarantee the economic impact (not just direct revenue of entry fees, etc.) of the National Parks in Utah is far greater than it costs to maintain them.  A little hint - the National Parks aren't the only ones collecting revenue.  People need places to stay, places to eat, and travel arrangements.  All those private entities are affected by the shutdown.  No revenue from them, no tax revenue to the state.  Reopening the parks means tourists will hopefully continue to come out.  The economic return is far greater than 0 if they do.
 
2013-10-11 11:31:00 AM  
FWIW anybody who feels the sae way I do and wants this deal cancelled heres a petition to sign/publicize to hopefully generate a little noise on the subject:
Subject: Demand the Deal with Utah to Re-open National Parks be Cancelled
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/demand-the-deal-with?source=c.em.cp &r _by=9181303
 
2013-10-11 11:31:14 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.


This is a difficult concept to grasp for those who are associated with the Party of Personal Responsibility.
 
2013-10-11 11:31:55 AM  

Magorn: FWIW anybody who feels the sae way I do and wants this deal cancelled heres a petition to sign/publicize to hopefully generate a little noise on the subject:
Subject: Demand the Deal with Utah to Re-open National Parks be Cancelled
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/demand-the-deal-with?source=c.em.cp &r _by=9181303


Way to put yourself on the same level as the GOP.
 
2013-10-11 11:31:57 AM  
When a national park or monument is open you just go in, when it is closed they hire guards to keep people out? Sounds like it costs more money to 'close' a park or monument then it does to just to keep it open.......

Democratic logic, we just do this to piss you off because we can't get our own way, waaa,waaa,waaa
 
2013-10-11 11:34:19 AM  

dantheman195: When a national park or monument is open you just go in, when it is closed they hire guards to keep people out? Sounds like it costs more money to 'close' a park or monument then it does to just to keep it open.......

Democratic logic, we just do this to piss you off because we can't get our own way, waaa,waaa,waaa


Not necessarily.  When I visited Arches in August, the only paved road in by car was manned by National Park Rangers where they collected the entry fee.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:36 AM  
hubiestubert:
If your taxes are already TOO HIGH, then why in the Hells are you looking to spend MOAR tax dollars, for a temporary measure?


Because they don't have any real political motivations for anything they do beyond "Do whatever we think liberals don't want" - kind of the problem with the entire GOP/right wing in this country.
 
2013-10-11 11:35:10 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: As a Utahn, this drives me crazy.  I am happy for the people who benefit from this, but our politicians, voted in by our citizens, are the ones whose ideology led to this.  The parks should stay closed.  Reap what you sow.


As a person affected by this, (I get to keep working at my private sector job), I still whole-heartedly agree with this. I'm in better shape for the closing than most around here, but Mike Lee was an instigator in all this and the nitwits around here who voted Lee and fellow teatard Chris Stewart into office need a face slappin'.
 
2013-10-11 11:36:43 AM  

dantheman195: When a national park or monument is open you just go in, when it is closed they hire guards to keep people out? Sounds like it costs more money to 'close' a park or monument then it does to just to keep it open.......

Democratic logic, we just do this to piss you off because we can't get our own way, waaa,waaa,waaa


You know how I know that you've never worked in a National Park?

/Mesa Verde
//Metate Room
///Try the masa chicken with prickly pear jam
 
2013-10-11 11:38:02 AM  

dantheman195: When a national park or monument is open you just go in, when it is closed they hire guards to keep people out? Sounds like it costs more money to 'close' a park or monument then it does to just to keep it open.......

Democratic logic, we just do this to piss you off because we can't get our own way, waaa,waaa,waaa


Really?  Do you think it costs more to protect Bloomingdale's at night or to run it during the day?

You know how I know that you were oxygen deprived at birth?
 
2013-10-11 11:38:31 AM  

joness0154: lockers: joness0154: lockers: This is the most reactionary waste of money the Utah tax payers have ever spent. The economic return is zero for the state. This is a gift from the metropolis to the rural hicks. I'm sure the polygamists thank you.

Really? I suppose the Utah's National Parks brings in no tourist money whatsoever...after all, no one visiting needs to stay in hotels, eat, etc.

If they brought in more money then they cost they wouldn't be closed, that is called revenue.

I can all but guarantee the economic impact (not just direct revenue of entry fees, etc.) of the National Parks in Utah is far greater than it costs to maintain them.  A little hint - the National Parks aren't the only ones collecting revenue.  People need places to stay, places to eat, and travel arrangements.  All those private entities are affected by the shutdown.  No revenue from them, no tax revenue to the state.  Reopening the parks means tourists will hopefully continue to come out.  The economic return is far greater than 0 if they do.


But that isn't money Utah is going to get back. Those parks will not bring in more tax revenue to the state then the state will spend. That is called welfare. It's a gift to those rural communities who voted for the shutdown in the first place and who are otherwise cheering it on.
 
2013-10-11 11:42:06 AM  

hubiestubert: dantheman195: When a national park or monument is open you just go in, when it is closed they hire guards to keep people out? Sounds like it costs more money to 'close' a park or monument then it does to just to keep it open.......

Democratic logic, we just do this to piss you off because we can't get our own way, waaa,waaa,waaa

You know how I know that you've never worked in a National Park?

/Mesa Verde
//Metate Room
///Try the masa chicken with prickly pear jam


Here's a fun fact for the happy Utahrds; GCNRA crosses state lines. Does UT plan to pay to keep the Arizona end of the lake, Including Lee's Ferry open?
 
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