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2013-10-11 11:06:49 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


I wish the guy wasn't such a nasty piece of work. With a name like Krauthammer he ought to be farking awesome.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:56 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


This.

DROxINxTHExWIND:

 now it'll probably be a woman's turn.

My worry is that Democrats are putting all their money on Hillary to just beat the shiat out of the republicans.  Hillary who the republicans hate with a burning passion, they will all show up to vote against her no matter who the republicans run against her.  Presidential elections are not won by the left or right voters, they are won by the middle, when and if they decide to show up to vote.  Hillary may not motivate them to do so.  Also the republicans have been saving up ammo to use against the Clintons since the day Obama got elected.  The wise course of action is to make them waste it and force them to retarget a new opponent after the primary.  Hillary is far more useful as a distraction than a candidate.
 
2013-10-11 11:07:22 AM  

lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.


Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.
 
2013-10-11 11:09:27 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.
 
2013-10-11 11:11:01 AM  

EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990


Right.
And the democrats even did it to Jimmy Cater over Medicaid money going for abortions. So you see, conservatisim has little to do with party.
 
2013-10-11 11:11:36 AM  

EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990


What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?
 
2013-10-11 11:12:42 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Ever notice that the Kraut Hammer's upper lip NEVER moves when he's speaking?

Never!

Is he some sort of giant evil version of a Supermarionation puppet?

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-10-11 11:13:20 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-10-11 11:13:28 AM  

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.


Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.
 
2013-10-11 11:13:42 AM  

EWreckedSean: Again, the faux outrage when the other guy is pulling some political shenanigans is funny.


"Political shenanigans"?  Really?  Explain the "shenanigans".  One party said "we won't agree to fund the entire government unless you undo a bill that was passed by Congress, signed into law, and approved by the Supreme Court."

It's "shenanigans" to say no, that's ridiculous, we're not going to go down that road?
 
2013-10-11 11:15:49 AM  

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Note the shut-down government and threatened default.
Paying attention?

This is them just getting started.
We're ripe for iconoclastic demagogues and look at al the sheep jumping on that train.

The thing speaks for itself.
 
2013-10-11 11:16:14 AM  
What makes this whole GOP stance even more stupid is that they claim that Obama is damaging the economy, yet not raising the debt ceiling is more of a clear and present danger to the economy than anything Obama has done.  Even the Wall Street guys (and they're not liberals) are saying the debt ceiling must be raised.
 
2013-10-11 11:16:39 AM  

Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.


Also the "credit card company" is a machine that prints IOUs that your buddy jack sells to people by saying. "Look, the guy is immortal and has so many guns, you know he's good for it." And all the people in your apartment block have to give you some of their money every time they earn or spend anything.

I guess what I am saying is the analogy sucks. So lets try this instead. Imagine an analogy that doesn't suck, then use that.
 
2013-10-11 11:17:00 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Note the shut-down government and threatened default.
Paying attention?

This is them just getting started.
We're ripe for iconoclastic demagogues and look at al the sheep jumping on that train.

The thing speaks for itself.


Sure - whatever you say, precious. *pats head*
 
2013-10-11 11:19:06 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.


Bull sh*t. People get more responsible into their late twenties. After that people pretty much stay the same. At no point after thirty do people get more careful or consider more. They have already established the pattern that will define their lives.
 
2013-10-11 11:19:34 AM  

Trivia Jockey: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?


"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."
 
2013-10-11 11:19:49 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
 
2013-10-11 11:22:41 AM  

Rann Xerox: Charles Krauthammer.....

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sadlyno.com
 
2013-10-11 11:23:16 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?

"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."


I don't see any mention in there that the House asked Bush to overturn or defund an existing law.
 
2013-10-11 11:24:01 AM  

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.

Bull sh*t. People get more responsible into their late twenties. After that people pretty much stay the same. At no point after thirty do people get more careful or consider more. They have already established the pattern that will define their lives.


You sound young, without children.
And you still don't understand that conservatism is not a political party trait, just like "lib" is not a political party trait. An American "liberal" is probably a right winger in Australia.
Plus, the political spectrum is wide regarding social views.
I'm probably a paleoconservative, as are man of my friends, though I lean farther left then most of them, who are mainly republicans.
I've never voted GOP and never will, but I have GOP friends who are very socially liberal -- the paleoconservatives.

Take a lesson. Study it out. Educate yourself and don't let this divisive political atmosphere poison your mind.
 
2013-10-11 11:24:09 AM  

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.




He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.
 
2013-10-11 11:25:06 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


You're forgetting the most important factor - he isn't black.  Problem solved.
 
2013-10-11 11:25:25 AM  

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?

"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."

I don't see any mention in there that the House asked Bush to overturn or defund an existing law.


True enough.
I was adding background.
Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.
 
2013-10-11 11:26:07 AM  

EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.

I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.


You were a Romney supporter dude.  Embrace it.
 
2013-10-11 11:26:33 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.


It's a Winston Churchill attributed quote.. Like others of it's ilk (*koff* Eleanor Roosevelt) it's more about the cleverness than the veracity.

As Algernon quothes in  Importance of beingEarnest .."It is perfectly phrased! and quite as true as any observation in civilised life should be"
 
2013-10-11 11:26:45 AM  

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Hello there!
media.nj.com
Dont get it it?
2.bp.blogspot.com
Monthly Rasmussen Reports tracking of partisan trends found that in June 2012, 35.4% identified as Republicans, 34.0% as Democrats and 30.5% were unaffiliated. These numbers changed only slightly from the previous month.

I find these facts grim, not funny.  Then again my only religion is pessimism.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:11 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


Republicanism is a religion, never doubt it. If it weren't Republicans wouldn't have voted for a Mormon.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:19 AM  

mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.

I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.

You were a Romney supporter dude.  Embrace it.


No, I wasn't, but I will happily wait for you to find a post that says otherwise. Facts, how do they work?
 
2013-10-11 11:28:22 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.


It's not a gotcha trap.  It's a fact.  A very important fact that happens to be the reason why the GOP stance is so completely and absurdly wrong this time around.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:46 AM  

orclover: y worry is that Democrats are putting all their money on Hillary to just beat the shiat out of the republicans.  Hillary who the republicans hate with a burning passion, they will all show up to vote against her no matter who the republicans run against her.  Presidential elections are not won by the left or right voters, they are won by the middle, when and if they decide to show up to vote.  Hillary may not motivate them to do so.  Also the republicans have been saving up ammo to use against the Clintons since the day Obama got elected.  The wise course of action is to make them waste it and force them to retarget a new opponent after the primary.  Hillary is far more useful as a distraction than a candidate.


They hate/hated Obama more and that wasn't worth a squirt of piss at election time.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:19 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
favorited!.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:54 AM  

orclover: DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hello there!
[media.nj.com image 380x408]
Dont get it it?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 563x316]
Monthly Rasmussen Reports tracking of partisan trends found that in June 2012, 35.4% identified as Republicans, 34.0% as Democrats and 30.5% were unaffiliated. These numbers changed only slightly from the previous month.

I find these facts grim, not funny.  Then again my only religion is pessimism.


Funny thing about dog-whistles - if you use them too often, the dogs no longer respond. We can see it playing out right before our eyes.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:57 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Now that Woodward has gone over to the dark side?  Yes.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:06 AM  

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.

It's not a gotcha trap.  It's a fact.  A very important fact that happens to be the reason why the GOP stance is so completely and absurdly wrong this time around.


Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?
 
2013-10-11 11:32:20 AM  

badhatharry: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."


And by internet standards, you sound like a troll.
 
2013-10-11 11:32:39 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


He can be a martian and run as VP and it wouldn't matter.  Listening to his speech that he gave this morning made it pretty obvious, he has absolutely no intention of staying just a senator.
 
2013-10-11 11:33:12 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: You sound young, without children.
And you still don't understand that conservatism is not a political party trait, just like "lib" is not a political party trait. An American "liberal" is probably a right winger in Australia.
Plus, the political spectrum is wide regarding social views.
I'm probably a paleoconservative, as are man of my friends, though I lean farther left then most of them, who are mainly republicans.
I've never voted GOP and never will, but I have GOP friends who are very socially liberal -- the paleoconservatives.


LULZ. I don't know how old you are, but the way you handle paragraph structure I will assume you are poorly educated. Self awareness among the under informed is a rare treat. I will be sure to use you as an object lessen to my children on how using personal attacks doesn't make your argument stronger. As for the rest of your blabber, it's exactly what I said. People don't change, even if they change parties. Boomers are not fleeing liberals because they never were liberals. Hippies were a small portion of boomers.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:05 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.

That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
favorited!.




I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?
 
2013-10-11 11:34:16 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?


I interpreted your response as being in support of what EWreckedSean was advocating.  If I misinterpreted that, my apologies.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:28 AM  

lilbjorn: I_Am_Weasel: Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?

Now that Woodward has gone over to the dark side?  Yes.


Woodward is Washington courtier, a harlot to the powerful.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:44 AM  

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.

But theres no way in hell he can win right?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1124]
Right?  That would be impossible!


To be fair:  W. wasn't even in the league of crazy that Cruz is.  He actually sounded rational; Cruz sounds nothing remotely close to that.
 
2013-10-11 11:35:39 AM  

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?

I interpreted your response as being in support of what EWreckedSean was advocating.  If I misinterpreted that, my apologies.


No offense taken. I should have stood back.
 
2013-10-11 11:39:59 AM  

lockers: I will be sure to use you as an object lessen to my children on how using personal attacks doesn't make your argument stronger.


After you personally attack me. It's called an ad hominem and it's a refuge of the desperate.
Sorry you're so far out of your league here, little one.

lockers: As for the rest of your blabber, it's exactly what I said. People don't change, even if they change parties. Boomers are not fleeing liberals because they never were liberals. Hippies were a small portion of boomers.


You remind me of cameroncrazy.
I actually tried to open your eyes to other realities than you might perceive, but I see that's not going to work. Stay in your cave and teach your kids to live in caves too.
It's much safer that way.

favorited!.
 
2013-10-11 11:42:27 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


That has always been the Democrats' Achilles Heel. In 2008, they figured that there was no way California would vote in favor of Prop 8 and so they barely did any real campaigning, underestimating the fever of the anti gay marriage forces. (And all that Mormon money.) In 2009, they underestimated Scott Brown and lost Ted Kennedy's seat to a Republican. In 2010 they underestimated the Tea Party and decided to stay home on election day, letting the Tea Party rise to power, gerrymander districts, take over state governments, and take control of the House. In 2012, Obama underestimated Romney and lost the first debate. In 2013 they underestimated the influence of the NRA in the Colorado recall elections and, again, stayed home while two people in very blue districts got ousted by very right-leaning pro-gun politicians.

I could even point out that Hillary Clinton would be President now had she not underestimated Obama's ability during the 2008 primary. She had it all locked up but didn't go for the kill early in the race, figuring it was in the bag. That allowed Obama to pull ahead and be the nominee.

This is why anyone who sits out an election is an arrogant fool. This is why assuming that everyone will just fall in line with progressive thinking is foolish. The Tea Party might be driving this country to ruin, but they are motivated and they know how to get their message out. They are zealots motivated by a religious fervor, and those kinds of people are dangerous. The Tea Party succeeds when the rest of us get complacent.

That's why I will keep saying it: if you sit out the 2014 elections, you are endorsing the Tea Party, and I consider you just as bad for the country.
 
2013-10-11 11:43:24 AM  

lockers: LULZ. I don't know how old you are, but the way you handle paragraph structure I will assume you are poorly educated.


LULZ.
Impressive.
But by all means, you pay attention to your paragraph structure here on fark.
Maybe you can put that on your resume and link to it.
But I doubt it will redeem your backward reasoning and absurdly stubborn resistance to reality and big words.
 
2013-10-11 11:43:46 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: HotIgneous Intruder: Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.

That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
favorited!.

I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?




Take it back, he has a Cuban parent. His mom was America, dad born in Cuba who became a citizen.

Still Cruz had Canadian citizenship and birth certificate. And only one naturalized parent ;)
 
2013-10-11 11:45:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I actually tried to open your eyes to other realities than you might perceive, but I see that's not going to work. Stay in your cave and teach your kids to live in caves too.


Open my eyes to what exactly? I lived through the demographic wash of political power that were the boomers. I witnessed it myself. I also am now witnessing the waning of that power. The boomers were far more conservative then their parents and their kids. In what way am I wrong about that?
 
2013-10-11 11:45:17 AM  

bborchar: badhatharry: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

And by internet standards, you sound like a troll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9uDlOA_bNA
 
2013-10-11 11:45:19 AM  

soporific: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

That has always been the Democrats' Achilles Heel. In 2008, they figured that there was no way California would vote in favor of Prop 8 and so they barely did any real campaigning, underestimating the fever of the anti gay marriage forces. (And all that Mormon money.) In 2009, they underestimated Scott Brown and lost Ted Kennedy's seat to a Republican. In 2010 they underestimated the Tea Party and decided to stay home on election day, letting the Tea Party rise to power, gerrymander districts, take over state governments, and take control of the House. In 2012, Obama underestimated Romney and lost the first debate. In 2013 they underestimated the influence of the NRA in the Colorado recall elections and, again, stayed home while two people in very blue districts got ousted by very right-leaning pro-gun politicians.

I could even point out that Hillary Clinton would be President now had she not underestimated Obama's ability during the 2008 primary. She had it all locked up but didn't go for the kill early in the race, figuring it was in the bag. That allowed Obama to pull ahead and be the nominee.

This is why anyone who sits out an election is an arrogant fool. This is why assuming that everyone will just fall in line with progressive thinking is foolish. The Tea Party might be driving this country to ruin, but they are motivated and they know how to get their message out. They are zealots motivated by a religious fervor, and those kinds of people are dangerous. The Tea Party succeeds when the rest of us get complacent.

That's why I will keep saying it: if you sit out the 2014 elections, you are endorsing the Tea Party, and I consider you just as bad for the country.


Well done, sir/madam.
+1
 
2013-10-11 11:45:35 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Troll begone.
favorited!.

I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?


I dont think he's a troll, just naive.  Believe me I ran into a lot of true believers who were exactly like this in the trenches of politics (libbiest of charities, various campaigns).  People who were plenty smart but couldn't wrap their brains around elections where logic had no bearing on the outcome.  Elections are farked up.  Whats right and what are facts often have no impact on the outcome.  Its ugly.  People underestimating the other side is how we got Obama elected the first time, thank god.  I was at one of his first speeches before anybody thought Barack had any chance against Clinton and I knew he was going to win, it was obvious.  He was just that good with a crowd.  I caught one of Ted's speeches this morning and it made me grimace, cuz that man knows how to play the game too.  Cruz doesnt need your vote to win, he just needs to get all of his voters to show up and for the other side to not take it seriously.  And he had them all wide wide awake.  When he is on TV spouting insanity, he's not talking to you.
 
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