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2013-10-11 09:58:17 AM
10/08/2013 - President Obama Holds Off-The-Record Meeting With Conservative Journalists

The group, according to a source familiar with the meeting, included Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, Washington Examiner columnist Byron York, syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker and Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.


To be a fly on the wall at that meeting.
 
2013-10-11 09:58:50 AM
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"It's a trick.  Get an axe."
 
2013-10-11 09:59:18 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN


Getting heckled too.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:12 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.


Fark is not your personal interracial canine erotica rape site...but it could be someday.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:21 AM
Cruz is getting heckled his ass off.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: Literal Liberal Media


If the media really were as liberal as the right claims, we wouldn't see 90% of the headlines refer to both sides' inability to compromise.  They would be absolutely slamming the GOP for this.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:43 AM

Infernalist: And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.


Just a friendly reminder that there is not now, nor ever been, a "Tea Party." These are ALL republicans, period. Every damn one of those twats were supported, received financial backing, and elected as republicans. I'm not letting the GOP off the hook for doing so.
 
2013-10-11 10:01:08 AM

scumshine: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

Getting heckled too.



Is he really?  OMG precious.
 
2013-10-11 10:03:12 AM

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.

Boomers vote to conservative in a vain attempt to preserve their imagined childhood. In their ideal 60's there were no regulations, foreigners or other religions. They are voting the dream. This is how you can tell they are soundly asleep.


True enough.
There is s certain demographic that has done a pretty good job looting and wrecking the country and now they want to pull up the ladder behind them.
It's not gonna happen.
 
2013-10-11 10:05:00 AM

Bontesla: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.


So you're saying that Harry should kill any CR that isn't a "clean" CR or are you saying he should kill a debt ceiling raise if it's just temporary?

Who's responsible, the party that kept sending "reasonable" bills or the party that killed them all?

You can argue the hostage analogy all you want but lets be clear. A no vote is very concrete and an analogy is something much more abstract.
 
2013-10-11 10:06:06 AM

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


No, insist that they not weaken if not out right destroy the office of the President of the United States. That is what is at stake here with the debt ceiling. The President made a huge mistake last time and realizes that this time there is no room for compromise, no room for retreat, no room for surrender.  Either the Republicans acknowledge and accept a Black Democrat as the legitimate President of the United States or the economy will burn.

They have spent almost 6 years trying to rewrite the fact that the President is a Black Democrat and now they are standing in a pile of gasoline with a lit flare. Either they throw that flare into a bucket of water and admit defeat, or they burn everyone.
 
2013-10-11 10:06:26 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Democrats trying?

*snerk*
 
2013-10-11 10:06:44 AM

scumshine: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

Getting heckled too.


Holy shiat he's got that crowd in his hands.  He's a swarmy lying farkhead evil bastard.  But an amazing politician. He's not going anywhere but up for a while, dont think for a second that Texas isnt holding on to every single word he says.  Cruz is going to do a lot of farking damage in the coming decade.  People who live outside of Texas will find it impossible to believe that he will keep getting reelected (and promoted), but Cruz is not going anywhere but up.  Were farked.
 
2013-10-11 10:07:36 AM
Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The Affordable Care Act: Passed by the congress, signed by the president, litigated before the Supreme Court, the law of the land.

Suck it you cruel greedy conservatards.

Americans are buying health insurance right now on the Obamacare web site.
Right. Now.


More then that public opinion of the ACA is trending positive. Think about that this law has been stuck around 35-40 percent approve 40-45 percent disapprove and 10-20 percent don't care or don't know. It has been said before, but the ACA went live it is game over, by the end of the year it will be entrenched as much as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:37 AM

youmightberight: Bontesla: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.

So you're saying that Harry should kill any CR that isn't a "clean" CR or are you saying he should kill a debt ceiling raise if it's just temporary?

Who's responsible, the party that kept sending "reasonable" bills or the party that killed them all?

You can argue the hostage analogy all you want but lets be clear. A no vote is very concrete and an analogy is something much more abstract.


I'm saying that the Senate should reject anything other than a clean CR (with exception of the funding bill that just passed).

Holding a country hostage is not how you obtain compromise. It's how you extort something out of someone else.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:45 AM
The republican position seems to be a) stop calling us mean names and b) we broke the country on purpose and you should thank us.

That shiat ain't selling though.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:52 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Turn that around, and it starts to make a lot more sense: They need to lay that groundwork, and subvert the authority of the so-called "unitary executive," because they realize that national demographics are turning against them. They might like to win the presidency some time in the near future, but they've seen the writing on the wall, and know that ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

I think it's more likely that some strategist somewhere in the Republican camp-an  actual strategist, not the pants-on-head retarded gaffe machines that make the rounds of the nightly news-have run the numbers, admitted to themselves that the tide has turned against them, and has resorted to procedural skulduggery like gerrymandering and attempting to establish rules like this in order to maintain the minimum foothold needed to enact their agenda.

Hell, that would also explain  why the nightly news is infected with Republican poster-children for engaging brain before operating mouth, rather than being reined in by their handlers: Because they don't  need to. A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat. All they have to do is keep their base riled up, and certainly the shiat-stirrers do that.

Just claim enough congressional seats to introduce the kind of chaos the Teafaulters are doing, count on the president (who, remember, is going to be a Democrat and by axiom generally compassionate) to do the "better" thing and keep the government going in exchange for massive concessions that continue to weaken his power, and they can make the man in the highest office a figurehead, if not their biatch.

The problem is, I don't think Obama wants to be anyone's biatch, nor does he want to see future administrations hamstrung by similar shenanigans. Does this mean the GOP is on the ropes? Absolutely not. They have their comparatively safe seats at the cost of disenfranchised voters, and most of their procedural groundwork is already in place. The Sequester of 2011 was the rehearsal, and this shutdown is the opening curtain.

I may get troll-bites from this one, but Obama needs to hold the line. We need a dictator to break their machinery.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:21 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

No, insist that they not weaken if not out right destroy the office of the President of the United States. That is what is at stake here with the debt ceiling. The President made a huge mistake last time and realizes that this time there is no room for compromise, no room for retreat, no room for surrender.  Either the Republicans acknowledge and accept a Black Democrat as the legitimate President of the United States or the economy will burn.

They have spent almost 6 years trying to rewrite the fact that the President is a Black Democrat and now they are standing in a pile of gasoline with a lit flare. Either they throw that flare into a bucket of water and admit defeat, or they burn everyone.


When just one administration earlier, they were all for unchecked Executive powers and a unitary President.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:39 AM

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2013-10-11 10:09:58 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


No. The Post has fallen victim to the same thing most media has: a desire to represent the entire political spectrum in order to maximize revenue. They've always had Krauthammer write an occasional column in order to make their opinion page more balanced, but the Post has always been liberal - just look at their political endorsement record. I don't think they have ever endorsed a Republican for president. They endorsed Obama, though.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:12 AM
I love how the GOP is whining like little babies that, "Obama won't negotiate!!!"...

Yet, the entire CR is based on the GOP's numbers and Cantor was declaring this a victory for Republicans as recently as September.

fark this disingenuous assholes in the GOP.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:12 AM

Muta: Carn: Muta: Carn: Your face is a metaphor

You're so ugly your face is a metaphive

Well Krauthammer is a penis face so he's a metasex.

Sorry, that wasn't nice.  I apologize to all Penis-Faced-Americans who aren't Charles Krauthammer.

And I want to appologize to you, Carn, for the face comment.  I've never see you but I am sure your face is above average.  Insults and ad hominem will destroy the culture of fark.


Don't worry, I know I'm devilishly handsome.  Wait, is that the same as kinda hairy?  I forget.

I have to disagree with your last statement.  Everyone who disagrees with me is a poopyhead.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.


Of Canada?
 
2013-10-11 10:11:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.


But theres no way in hell he can win right?
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Right?  That would be impossible!
 
2013-10-11 10:12:14 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Think about that this law has been stuck around 35-40 percent approve 40-45 percent disapprove and 10-20 percent don't care or don't know.


People seem to forget that a 10-15% chunk of the "disapprove" crowd disapproves because the law is too weak.  They want a stronger health care law, with a public option.  So if you remove these folks, the ACA is polling a lot better than most people realize.  Don't let the "55% of Americans hate the ACA" crowd fool you.
 
2013-10-11 10:12:57 AM

Dahnkster: You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

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Never know the man was paraplegic. It does beg the question however, how can a man who would be dead or much more severely disabled now without proper medical care support policies that limit who can and cannot receive treatment? Had he not been born to a family wealthy enough to cover his medical bills he would not be the man he is today. I don't know, I guess I always thought tragedy gave people a spirit of compassion for others, but I guess it just makes some people bitter.
 
2013-10-11 10:13:44 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: 10/08/2013 - President Obama Holds Off-The-Record Meeting With Conservative Journalists

The group, according to a source familiar with the meeting, included Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, Washington Examiner columnist Byron York, syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker and Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.


To be a fly on the wall at that meeting.


Not real surprising.  Those are all writers for major corporate conglomerates who got their marching orders from their plutocrat owners to help work with Obama in manipulating the teaparty rubes into willfully putting the gun down and releasing the hostage.   They're just going to play the "good cop" to Obama's "bad cop".
 
2013-10-11 10:14:03 AM

Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.


Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.
 
2013-10-11 10:14:51 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.

Boomers vote to conservative in a vain attempt to preserve their imagined childhood. In their ideal 60's there were no regulations, foreigners or other religions. They are voting the dream. This is how you can tell they are soundly asleep.

True enough.
There is s certain demographic that has done a pretty good job looting and wrecking the country and now they want to pull up the ladder behind them.
It's not gonna happen.


Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.
 
2013-10-11 10:15:05 AM

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2013-10-11 10:16:05 AM

ELKAY: Never know the man was paraplegic. It does beg the question however, how can a man who would be dead or much more severely disabled now without proper medical care support policies that limit who can and cannot receive treatment? Had he not been born to a family wealthy enough to cover his medical bills he would not be the man he is today. I don't know, I guess I always thought tragedy gave people a spirit of compassion for others, but I guess it just makes some people bitter.


Sounds like he has a hard time putting himself in other people's shoes.  Er, chairs.
 
2013-10-11 10:16:47 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican


Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?
 
2013-10-11 10:17:19 AM

Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time


That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...
 
2013-10-11 10:20:09 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time

That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...


I blame Jon Lovitz.
 
2013-10-11 10:20:46 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Imagine the government were a family on a budget. Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog. Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits? What about ACORN? Also, Reagan is the real President.


Have you considered running for Congress?
If you can amp up the crazy just a little more, you might have a shot.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:33 AM
President Barack Obama is like a novice flier thrust into the cockpit of a 747. He's pushing buttons, flipping switches and radioing air traffic control, but nothing's happening. The plane is just slowly descending on its own, and while it may or may not crash, it at least doesn't appear to be headed to any particularly useful destination. Obama's ineffectiveness, always a hallmark of his presidency, has reached a new cruising altitude this year.

This is what freepers actually believe.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:54 AM

skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....


It's like when Wimpie borrows money from Popeye to buy a hamburger today and he promises to pay him back on Tuesday but instead he eats Olive Oyl.
 
2013-10-11 10:23:13 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.


Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.
 
2013-10-11 10:23:52 AM

MontanaDave: skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....

It's like when Wimpie borrows money from Popeye to buy a hamburger today and he promises to pay him back on Tuesday but instead he eats Olive Oyl.


IF only there were a farker who could explain the crisis in terms of coconuts...
 
2013-10-11 10:25:08 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.


If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.
 
2013-10-11 10:25:13 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.


He was born in Canada there is no way the Tea Party would let someone who wasn't even born in the US be president right?!
 
2013-10-11 10:25:33 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time

That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...


Then you didn't understand the boomer demographic. The only reason clinton won the first time was a popular libertarian ran as well. It took gingrich's total failure to get him elected for his second. The GOP have positioned themselves to be labeled the party of failure to lead. The next republican candidate will have to run an anti-tea-party campaign. How likely do you think that is in the primary?
 
2013-10-11 10:26:17 AM

lockers: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican

Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?


"You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative..."  That's what I said, right? I tend to lump Republicans and TP's together, its all one and the same to me.
 
2013-10-11 10:26:25 AM
Scratch that, I'm not done with my air conditioning metaphor. We'll take in an ideological angle.

The landlord put in a centrally controlled system and took away the individual units. He charges some people double and some people nothing. The landlord and his buddies still get there own individual units though. The landlord also secretly spies on and intimidates all of the tenants so they don't get too uppity.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:08 AM

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2013-10-11 10:27:39 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.


The majority of you farking baby boomers are republican. You farks are the reason the teabaggers have any traction whatsoever. You once, would it kill you farkers to own up to your shortsighted, narcissistic, decisions?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/baby-boomers-climb-on-gop-wagon/
 
2013-10-11 10:28:33 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.


I seriously doubt he's America's guy, though. Never mind the whole citizenship thing (which even if it isn't a real concern for him would still be sauce for the goose), he and Boner are (rightly) the Republicans' public faces of the shutdown, as Obama and Reid are (wrongly) the Democrats' public faces. If the public can be reminded often enough what kind of brinkmanship he's willing to carry out, what part he has in the Republican plan to upend checks and balances and to ramrod a plutocratic agenda through the legislative process, yes, he could be another bright star on the Republican presidential scene, burning brilliantly then using up all its hydrogen and collapsing into yet another typical dense mass.

Of course, these days the public has the memory of a hydrocephalic goldfish, so I can't guarantee it won't happen.
 
2013-10-11 10:30:34 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.


Ok, Ok.
I hear you. I'm north of my 40s and have never voted GOP.
Conservative is one of the most popular default ideologies in America. (Forty percent, actually, regardless of party self-identification.) I think that's a function of nostalgia for a time that never really existed except as imagined in their naive, simpler, younger minds. Boomer presidents have been a leadership disaster, Clinton the NAFTA Gobalist, Bush the Globalist and Permawar President, Obama the Globalist and Friend of Wall Street and sustainer of Bush policies.

I don't really know what to say, except that maybe people are tired of seeing one generation get all the gravy American could offer and seeing nothing left for them, so they want to burn it down.
Can't blame them for being angry.
This is the result of greedy, cruel, stupid policy coming home to roost.

I stupidly attended college and took out student loans to do so and the economy has left me stranded with nothing but debt. Personal choices, whatever. We live in a contracting economy now and people will just have to accept that we're all farked and unless we cooperate to help each other, it's over.
It's ironic that the catalyst for this nightmare is actually a government program that allows people like me to buy health insurance.

But the primary demographic of the Suicide Caucus is older, white, less educated, religious people.
Here's a good piece that describes them.
 
2013-10-11 10:31:21 AM
calling people mean names is against the terms of service of the us government and furthermore comma
 
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