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2013-10-11 08:50:11 AM
He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!
 
2013-10-11 08:52:55 AM
Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?
 
2013-10-11 08:58:58 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Since the greened WaPo above this one is from Eugene Robinson, not quite as bad.
 
2013-10-11 09:01:05 AM

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


Unconditionally? No, the condition has already been met. He's just trying to force them to hold up their end of the bargain they already made.

And this is much bigger than Obama vs. GOP. Regardless of party, there is one thing ALL Presidents agree on: maintain Executive power. This is about THE Presidency, not HIS Presidency.
 
2013-10-11 09:01:49 AM
it'd be better if his top half was paralyzed instead of his bottom half, amirite?
 
2013-10-11 09:02:20 AM
He better not. The future of America depends on it.
 
2013-10-11 09:03:38 AM

Headso: it'd be better if his top half was paralyzed instead of his bottom half, amirite?


....are you sure it hasn't? same thing coming out of his mouth for years. It's like his mind can't move
 
2013-10-11 09:03:40 AM
The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.
 
2013-10-11 09:03:43 AM
Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.
 
2013-10-11 09:04:42 AM
Newsflash: Smart guy that doesn't have a farking clue.
 
2013-10-11 09:05:37 AM
Oh.  Well, now we know Obama will not blink.
 
2013-10-11 09:05:49 AM
See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.
 
2013-10-11 09:06:53 AM
That guy is dumber that a bag of Kraut hammers.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 09:07:15 AM
Oh Cabbage Hammer, you crack me up. A snip from another article:

"At the end of the day, you're fighting legislation that's already passed," said former South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson, describing the fight to defund the health care law as a lost cause.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:18 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Well, there's the whole 'you must be willing to destroy the nation' part.  Which won't stop them from using it.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:37 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


They know they're not getting the next two or three, and the Rapture's bound to happen somewhere in there so they might as well try to consolidate power where they can.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:55 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


They know that if the Democrats can't do the same because it would piss off their voters and lose them elections, only the Republicans can damage the country for partisan advantage and have their voters cheer them on as they get poorer and poorer.
 
2013-10-11 09:08:50 AM
He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:01 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Maybe they know that they aren't ever going to win again.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:40 AM
Charles Nazipounder, failed SCUBA diver.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:46 AM

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.
 
2013-10-11 09:10:23 AM

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people. People are accepting it. It's a sign that the end game is near.
 
2013-10-11 09:10:42 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.


I'd love to see a Daily Show-style compilation of his "predictions."
 
2013-10-11 09:11:20 AM
I guess we really won't know until the Congress actually sends a budget to the President. Until then we're only guessing.

These political soap operas sure underscore how little people know about how the government works. Why else would you blame Obama when Congress isn't doing it's job?
 
2013-10-11 09:12:12 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time
 
2013-10-11 09:12:31 AM

incendi: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

They know they're not getting the next two or three, and the Rapture's bound to happen somewhere in there so they might as well try to consolidate power where they can.


Yeah, if you can cause the end of the world before the next election cycle, it does reduce your need to worry about holding on to power.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:40 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


This is the most bizarre thing to me as well, and proof that no one in the GOP really care about anything beyond making it through their next election.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:45 AM

Alphax: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

Well, there's the whole 'you must be willing to destroy the nation' part.  Which won't stop them from using it.


Y'know, I think that's how they're protecting these sorts of overt power plays; in order to use this very dangerous bit of legislative trickery, you must sacrifice your morals. It'd be akin to "If you want to repeal a law that is popular and constitutional, you must kill an entire bag of puppies."
 
2013-10-11 09:13:46 AM
FTA: It's win-win.
Really, now?

A serious attack on the deficit - good.
The deficit's already decreasing, and would be decreasing even more rapidly if the Republicans wouldn't insist on throwing the whole goddamn craftsman tool set in the gears every chance they get.

Refiguring sequestration to restore some defense spending and some logic to discretionary spending - also good.
Restore some defense spending, but restore logic to discretionary spending - yeah, just go ahead and say you're for restoring defense and cutting entitlements more.

Forcing the president off Mount Olympus - priceless.
And here's the real goal. So really, it's a win-win-win, with all wins going to the TP, in a game where the stakes are the welfare of the world economy.

Yeah, go fark yourself, Krauthammer.
 
2013-10-11 09:14:26 AM
When I want a well-reasoned moderate opinion, Charles Krauthammer

Nope, can't do it.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:23 AM
Well look at that...the Eugene Robinson one got flipped.  Freeper Friday it is.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:44 AM
We need a "Right-wing Loon on the Washington Post Op-Ed Page" Fark tag.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:49 AM

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


The GDP still had net growth in 2001 and 2002.
We are looking at a minimum yearly adjustment  of -4% from a default, even if we prioritize bond payments. Krugman thinks it could even cause a mini-death spiral that could result in a -10% hit as tax revenues fall even further, requiring even more cuts.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/automatic-destabilizers/ ?_ r=0

"Standard estimates of the effects of cuts in government spending take into account the role of the federal government as an automatic stabilizer: the deficit rises as the economy shrinks, mainly because tax receipts go down but also because safety-net spending goes up. Typical estimates are that the federal deficit rises around 40 cents for every dollar decline in GDP:

But if the federal government is up against the debt ceiling, it will have to offset these revenue declines and automatic spending increases with further cuts. So the initial 6 percent decline in GDP would force a further 2.4 percent of GDP in cuts, leading to another round of GDP decline, and so on.

Take these effects into account, and the multiplier effect of an initial decline in government spending should be around 2.5, not 1.5. So we could be looking at a 10 percent decline in GDP, and a 5 point rise in unemployment, even if interest is paid in full."
 
2013-10-11 09:16:07 AM
Is anyone else following Niall Ferguson's breakdown on HuffPo? We're in Day 3 now. I think Krugman broke his brain.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:07 AM
He almost makes sense towards the end talking about how much of the budget is tied up in SS, Medicare and interest etc, etc...  he could have gone all the way and said that it doesn't makes sense to have historically low tax rates on wealthy Americans, who've seen their wealth explode in size since the US decided that supply side economics actually had a relationship to reality.

Instead he just drools over how lovely it would be to take the president down a notch.  Very strange.  It's almost like he wants to write something meaningful but he knows it won't pay the bills so he has to pen obviously disingenuous and factually incorrect drivel.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:22 AM
D'oh!  It just got moved.

/please don't ban me
 
2013-10-11 09:16:52 AM
Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:54 AM

Cubicle Jockey: So we could be looking at a 10 percent decline in GDP, and a 5 point rise in unemployment, even if interest is paid in full."


LASER LIKE FOCUS ON JOBS
 
2013-10-11 09:17:51 AM
Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:04 AM
Obama will blink just like that pool bottom did, eh, Chuckles?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:06 AM

Wellon Dowd: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.


You guys crack me up. Like this is some unprecedented move that BOTH parties haven't done 17 times in the last 30 years or so.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:16 AM
He has refused to negotiate...

That'll happen when your only bargaining chip is doing your own job.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:26 AM

badhatharry: Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people.


We got pretty used to it when we suggested that it would be a bad idea to invade Iraq.  Funny how what goes around comes around, n'est ce pas, princess?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:27 AM

CPennypacker: Is anyone else following Niall Ferguson's breakdown on HuffPo? We're in Day 3 now. I think Krugman broke his brain.


More Posts by Niall Ferguson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/krugtron-the-invincible- p _b_4073956.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-housing-cri s is_b_4067580.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 2
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-euro_b_4060 7 33.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/why-my-comparing-obama-t o _b_257573.html">Why My Comparing Obama to Felix the Cat Is Not Racist

lolwut?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:36 AM

Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.


Better yet, Yoho thinks doing so will actually help your credit rating.
 
2013-10-11 09:19:28 AM

EWreckedSean: Wellon Dowd: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.


gatherer.wizards.com
 
2013-10-11 09:19:34 AM

Skleenar: That guy is dumber that a bag of Kraut hammers.

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Those look more like Polish Hammers...
 
2013-10-11 09:19:40 AM

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


Ah, the old rubber and glue routine.  A classic!
 
2013-10-11 09:20:07 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 09:20:12 AM

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.
 
2013-10-11 09:20:25 AM

jayhawk88: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

This is the most bizarre thing to me as well, and proof that no one in the GOP really care about anything beyond making it through their next election.


If I was a betting man, and I'm not, this is the legislative equivalent of a Checkov's Gun; if you pass law that farks over another party in power, it can and will be used against you when you're in power.
 
2013-10-11 09:20:46 AM

edmo: I guess we really won't know until the Congress actually sends a budget to the President. Until then we're only guessing.

These political soap operas sure underscore how little people know about how the government works. Why else would you blame Obama when Congress isn't doing it's job?


Exactly. Obama can't be blamed for anything unless he vetoes something. So far, he hasn't been given that opportunity.
 
2013-10-11 09:21:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5M50xBz1cU



Stupid Teahadists....didn't these morons grow up watching Schoolhouse rock like the rest of us?
 
2013-10-11 09:21:39 AM

Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.


Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.
 
2013-10-11 09:21:52 AM

EWreckedSean: Wellon Dowd: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.

You guys crack me up. Like this is some unprecedented move that BOTH parties haven't done 17 times in the last 30 years or so.


If "do it or we'll default" is a legit strategy, then "no" is an equally legit response.

Don't bluff is you are afraid to be called.
 
2013-10-11 09:21:57 AM

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


It's like that Seinfeld episode about when George does the opposite of everything he would normally do.  If people just read what you say and think the opposite, they would get a better picture of what is actually happening.
 
2013-10-11 09:22:28 AM

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


There's no blink. Obamacare WAS THE COMPROMISE. You get nothing. Go home.
 
2013-10-11 09:22:34 AM

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


On the verge of?
 
2013-10-11 09:22:35 AM
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:
Maybe they know that they aren't ever going to win again.

The implications of this admission don't look good for the prospect of not plunging the U.S. into a messy and prolonged depression to thoroughly punish America  Dem Liebruls for rejecting their political agenda.
 
2013-10-11 09:23:00 AM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.


I admire your tenacity, but you know this isn't going to stick. And I'm not sure what you think you're going to get out of this transparent attempt at partisan support for those clearly in the wrong.
 
2013-10-11 09:24:45 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


It's like a projector projecting into a projector!

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 09:24:48 AM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.


That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.
 
2013-10-11 09:25:32 AM

badhatharry: Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.


How does that apply to this situation?  To make it analogous, assuming the landlord is Obama and the tenant is the GOP, the GOP is in charge of both setting the rent and also arranging the money to pay for it, not the landlord, his job is merely to ensure the rent is collected and spent on the building in exactly the manner the tenant decides.  The air conditioner that doesn't work, was actually ordered and paid for by the tenant a while ago so it seems silly to make an rent issue of it now.  If anything the tenant should argue about the air conditioner separately from demanding adjustments to a rent agreement they made unilaterially.
 
2013-10-11 09:25:48 AM
meh. as usual, krauthammer doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
2013-10-11 09:26:17 AM

Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.


They just decided it didn't work before it was installed. And then kept feeling that way while it was installed. And now that its being turned on, they are still saying it doesn't work, even as cool air wafts through the apartment.
 
2013-10-11 09:26:21 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.


Seriously...has Krauthammer EVER been right predicting anything? If he said the Sun was coming up tomorrow I'd get a second opinion.
 
2013-10-11 09:27:32 AM
Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....
 
2013-10-11 09:27:34 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


The Republicans have shown extraordinary competence in making themselves look bad. They need no help from Obama.
 
2013-10-11 09:27:46 AM
The Affordable Care Act: Passed by the congress, signed by the president, litigated before the Supreme Court, the law of the land.

Suck it you cruel greedy conservatards.

Americans are buying health insurance right now on the Obamacare web site.
Right. Now.
 
2013-10-11 09:28:43 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.
 
2013-10-11 09:28:46 AM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises asks for the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work because you refuse to allow it to be plugged in. Crazy.


Still a terrible analogy, but at least slightly more reflective of reality.
 
2013-10-11 09:29:09 AM
You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

flaggman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-11 09:30:13 AM
HEH HEH HEH, We've got them right where they want us!

Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!
 
2013-10-11 09:31:19 AM

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


I remember reading that one of OBL's goals was to tank America's economy following the attack on the WTC. Apparently the buildings falling was ice on the cake to him.
 
MFK
2013-10-11 09:31:30 AM
I love how this waterhead comes to the conclusion that because the GOP's approval rating is in the shiatter because they are holding the economy hostage, it must have been Obama's true intent all along to destroy the GOP.


The whole first part of the "article" is basically one long "ThanksObama.gif"
 
2013-10-11 09:32:39 AM

skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....


Imagine the government were a family on a budget.  Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.  Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits?  What about ACORN?  Also, Reagan is the real President.
 
2013-10-11 09:33:20 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.
 
2013-10-11 09:33:20 AM

Dahnkster: You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

[flaggman.files.wordpress.com image 130x218]


That's slightly over the top, don't you think?

Unless you're a troll trying to get folks to pile on.
If that's the case, you suck even worse.

plonk.
 
2013-10-11 09:33:46 AM

LasersHurt: They just decided it didn't work before it was installed. And then kept feeling that way while it was installed. And now that its being turned on, they are still saying it doesn't work, even as cool air wafts through the apartment.


There it is.
 
2013-10-11 09:34:34 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Imagine the government were a family on a budget.  Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.  Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits?  What about ACORN?  Also, Reagan is the real President.


OK that's kind of funny.
 
2013-10-11 09:34:56 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Seriously! Look at all the Republicans the editorial board endorsed for president since they started picking sides in the 70s.
 
2013-10-11 09:35:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The Affordable Care Act: Passed by the congress, signed by the president, litigated before the Supreme Court, the law of the land.


It's better than that.

Passed by Congress (as elected by the people)
Signed by the President (who was elected by the people)
Litigated unsuccessfully before the Supreme Court (legitimized by the law of the land)
Survived more than forty repeal votes (as cast by representatives elected by the people)
Enforced by the President (who was re-elected by the people)

The GOP's argument?

"We're just trying to protect the people like they want us to!"

They literally caused this entire mess solely because they're angry that when they play by the rules they can't get their way because nobody likes their way and democracy has spoken strongly and repeatedly against them.

And to top it off, the only reason we don't already have a clean CR on funding is because ONE PERSON won't let the elected body vote on it.

A tiny group of people who represent MAYBE 20% of the country are gaming the system because they're angry that in free and fair elections their opinions lose. It's completely insane.
 
2013-10-11 09:35:16 AM

Trivia Jockey: LasersHurt: They just decided it didn't work before it was installed. And then kept feeling that way while it was installed. And now that its being turned on, they are still saying it doesn't work, even as cool air wafts through the apartment.

There it is.


So the GOP turned the oven on full-blast and broke the door off.
 
2013-10-11 09:35:24 AM

Heraclitus: HEH HEH HEH, We've got them right where they want us!

Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!


Yeah, right?
It's hard for me to allow myself to think the dems won't fold up like lawn chairs here, as they have every time before.
 
2013-10-11 09:36:12 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....

Imagine the government were a family on a budget.  Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.  Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits?  What about ACORN?  Also, Reagan is the real President.

FINALLY

somebody gets it!
 
2013-10-11 09:36:28 AM

mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.


The GOP is fleeing in open retreat, screaming like little girls with skinned knees.  Their approval rating is around 27% nationwide, which is as low as it's ever been.  Ever.  In recorded history.

This shutdown wasn't just a disaster, it was THE disaster.  Their political equivalent of Cali's Big One.  All they want to do now is try and end this with 'some' semblance of pride, some small shred of dignity.  And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.
 
2013-10-11 09:37:20 AM
members.shaw.ca

"It's a bluff. Obama will blink."

www.sixprizes.com
 
2013-10-11 09:38:31 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


When doing what is best for the country and it's citizens politically damages the GOP, perhaps the GOP should re-evaluate their platform.
 
2013-10-11 09:38:48 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....

Imagine the government were a family on a budget.  Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.  Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits?  What about ACORN?  Also, Reagan is the real President.


No no no no no.  It's like the 49ers are 4th and 10 on their own 5 yard line against the Ravens, and they fake the punt but run it out of their own end zone for a safety, and when they're arguing about the call Jesus storms the field on his T-rex and declares them the champions forever and anyone who disagrees with Jesus half of them he lets the T-rex eat and the other half he judo chops them in the throat til their nuts falls off because Jesus don't take no shiat from nobody.
 
2013-10-11 09:38:49 AM

Teresaol31: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5M50xBz1cU

Stupid Teahadists....didn't these morons grow up watching Schoolhouse rock like the rest of us?


According to the TeaBagger set, all that "education stuff" is communism.

cdn.hsmemes.com
 
2013-10-11 09:38:57 AM

skozlaw: A tiny group of people who represent MAYBE 20% of the country are gaming the system because they're angry that in free and fair elections their opinions lose. It's completely insane.


It's about 80 representatives from 30 states.
Check my profile for the list of states, districts, and names.
 
2013-10-11 09:39:09 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Heraclitus: HEH HEH HEH, We've got them right where they want us!

Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!

Yeah, right?
It's hard for me to allow myself to think the dems won't fold up like lawn chairs here, as they have every time before.


Except for 2012, 2010, 2008, the passing of Obamacare into law, its confirmation by the SC, and all the other times the GOP got its ass beat in the last 5 years while the GOP ran in circles and blamed each other for each defeat.
 
2013-10-11 09:39:27 AM

badhatharry: AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.

Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people. People are accepting it. It's a sign that the end game is near.


I think it's a lot more fitting descriptor of the guys conspiring to destroy the American economy than the guys who thought the war in Iraq was a bad idea, don't you?

/in other words:  I was called every one of those names and worse for 6 years by your team.  fark YOU.
 
2013-10-11 09:39:30 AM

max_pooper: When doing what is best for the country and it's citizens politically damages the GOP, perhaps the GOP should re-evaluate their platform.


They did, then threw those results out and decided that they needed to get more conservative.
 
2013-10-11 09:39:41 AM

Infernalist: Their approval rating is around 27% nationwide, which is as low as it's ever been. Ever. In recorded history.


To be fair, "recorded history" in this case starts in the 1990s.  But it's hard to imagine any time in the past when the conservatives have been hated this much, and there appears to be no signs of them letting up on antagonizing voters in time to salvage the midterm elections.  Losing the House would be historic.
 
2013-10-11 09:40:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Heraclitus: HEH HEH HEH, We've got them right where they want us!

Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!

Yeah, right?
It's hard for me to allow myself to think the dems won't fold up like lawn chairs here, as they have every time before.


I suspect they'll cave and cut some "entitlements" and throw in a Keystone XL sweetener.

Democrats are like self-folding origami paper sometimes.
 
2013-10-11 09:40:57 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: skozlaw: A tiny group of people who represent MAYBE 20% of the country are gaming the system because they're angry that in free and fair elections their opinions lose. It's completely insane.

It's about 80 representatives from 30 states.
Check my profile for the list of states, districts, and names.


80/435 ~= 18.4%
So sounds like he hit the nail on the head.
 
2013-10-11 09:41:35 AM

jakomo002: HotIgneous Intruder: Heraclitus: HEH HEH HEH, We've got them right where they want us!

Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of VICTORY!

Yeah, right?
It's hard for me to allow myself to think the dems won't fold up like lawn chairs here, as they have every time before.

I suspect they'll cave and cut some "entitlements" and throw in a Keystone XL sweetener.

Democrats are like self-folding origami paper sometimes.


What's that Democrat assessment based on exactly?  Wishful thinking?
 
2013-10-11 09:41:41 AM
Considering Obama had an off the record meeting with Krauthammer this week, this article feels staged.    They have to make the Teahadists feel like they're getting some sort of victory or concession out of sekret Kenyan usurper, even if it's completely symbolic and hollow, so the rest of the grownups can get back to work.
 
2013-10-11 09:41:50 AM

Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.


50% of the people didn't want this air conditioner. Now people that were for the new ac are now complaining that they have to pay double for crappy ac.

The landlord needs to at least make an attempt to make the complainers happy. Done with this stupid analogy.
 
2013-10-11 09:43:01 AM
Has the 'Unlikely' tag been put on furlough?

Carn: When I want a well-reasoned moderate opinion, Charles Krauthammer

Nope, can't do it.


I took it as a sign to not read it when my iPad's browser crashed. The Derp was too much
 
2013-10-11 09:43:06 AM

incendi: Cubicle Jockey: So we could be looking at a 10 percent decline in GDP, and a 5 point rise in unemployment, even if interest is paid in full."

LASER LIKE FOCUS ON JOBS


Exactly. The more people the GOP can put out of work, the worse President Obama tends to look.

/oh you thought they meant creating jobs, why would they do that when a Democrat was President?
 
2013-10-11 09:43:27 AM

Infernalist: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

The GOP is fleeing in open retreat, screaming like little girls with skinned knees.  Their approval rating is around 27% nationwide, which is as low as it's ever been.  Ever.  In recorded history.

This shutdown wasn't just a disaster, it was THE disaster.  Their political equivalent of Cali's Big One.  All they want to do now is try and end this with 'some' semblance of pride, some small shred of dignity.  And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.


Shortly, you are going to see a race of GOP of politicians distancing themselves from Boehner and the Tea Party that is when it will truly be Christmas, Halloween and Easter all rolled up together.
 
2013-10-11 09:43:31 AM
Charles Krauthammer.....

i78.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-11 09:44:03 AM

Carn: No no no no no.  It's like the 49ers are 4th and 10 on their own 5 yard line against the Ravens, and they fake the punt but run it out of their own end zone for a safety, and when they're arguing about the call Jesus storms the field on his T-rex and declares them the champions forever and anyone who disagrees with Jesus half of them he lets the T-rex eat and the other half he judo chops them in the throat til their nuts falls off because Jesus don't take no shiat from nobody.


You forgot the part where He opens His bag and gives guns and bacon-double-cheeseburgers to the survivors.
 
2013-10-11 09:44:17 AM

Infernalist: This shutdown wasn't just a disaster, it was THE disaster.  Their political equivalent of Cali's Big One.  All they want to do now is try and end this with 'some' semblance of pride, some small shred of dignity.  And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.


The Tea Jihadis are threatening to primary the ones who don't play along.
It's nard to see how they can get a face-saving exit at this point.
 
2013-10-11 09:44:44 AM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.

50% of the people didn't want this air conditioner. Now people that were for the new ac are now complaining that they have to pay double for crappy ac.

The landlord needs to at least make an attempt to make the complainers happy. Done with this stupid analogy.


You know, analogies should have at least some basis in reality.  Like, say, 50% said they weren't for the air conditioner, but most of them then turned around and said they were for having cooler air in their homes.  And now people who were against the new AC are now going around and saying that the cooler air coming into their homes makes the air conditioner completely unnecessary.  And now some of the people who were against the air conditioner are threatening to burn down the building unless the air conditioner is taken out.
 
2013-10-11 09:44:47 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.


seriously, for such a 'smart man', it doesn't seem he could predict 6:00 at 5:45
 
2013-10-11 09:44:53 AM
/Nard = hard.

gah.
 
2013-10-11 09:45:06 AM

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


"Well my daddy come on the Ohio works 
When he come home from World War Two 
Now the yard's just scrap and rubble 
He said "Them big boys did what Hitler couldn't do."
 
2013-10-11 09:45:19 AM

InmanRoshi: Considering Obama had an off the record meeting with Krauthammer this week, this article feels staged.    They have to make the Teahadists feel like they're getting some sort of victory or concession out of sekret Kenyan usurper, even if it's completely symbolic and hollow, so the rest of the grownups can get back to work.


I don't know about that.  From everything I've seen this week, the establishment GOP has reached its limit with the TP and is now openly hostile and working actively and openly against them.

The biggest thing was the US Chamber of Commerce coming out and declaring that they would finance any and all GOPers who voted for a clean CR/Debt Ceiling raise against a Tea Party primary challenge.
 
2013-10-11 09:45:50 AM

InmanRoshi: Considering Obama had an off the record meeting with Krauthammer this week, this article feels staged.    They have to make the Teahadists feel like they're getting some sort of victory or concession out of sekret Kenyan usurper, even if it's completely symbolic and hollow, so the rest of the grownups can get back to work.


Sheeeeeit.  Obama's a brave muthafarker.  Don't he know that all Kraut's shootings be drive bys?
 
2013-10-11 09:46:27 AM

badhatharry: Done with this stupid analogy.


Your whole life is one giant, stupid analogy.
 
2013-10-11 09:47:15 AM
Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN
 
2013-10-11 09:47:29 AM

Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.


So it is like refusing to pay your rent because other people in the building now have the air conditioning that you've been enjoying for years.
 
2013-10-11 09:47:45 AM
Isn't it a little hard to play a game of chicken when all that's left are sticky, bloody feathers?
 
2013-10-11 09:48:29 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

There's no blink. Obamacare WAS THE COMPROMISE. You get nothing. Go home.


GOP: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
 
2013-10-11 09:48:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Infernalist: This shutdown wasn't just a disaster, it was THE disaster.  Their political equivalent of Cali's Big One.  All they want to do now is try and end this with 'some' semblance of pride, some small shred of dignity.  And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.

The Tea Jihadis are threatening to primary the ones who don't play along.
It's nard to see how they can get a face-saving exit at this point.


The establishment GOP doesn't care about that threat anymore.  The US Chamber of Commerce declared this week that they're financially backing any GOP congress critter that gets a primary challenge because they voted for a clean CR or debt ceiling raise.

The establishment is officially and openly declaring hostilities with the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-11 09:49:03 AM
this entire situation with the shutdown and all is EXACTLY like an incredibly inapt metaphor
 
2013-10-11 09:49:39 AM

Infernalist: What's that Democrat assessment based on exactly?  Wishful thinking?


They did it last time.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/the-fine-print-on - the-debt-deal/?_r=0

And they'll do it again, since Obama has had no problem pushing "austerity" by cutting social spending in the past.  He's closer to the Right than to the Center.
 
2013-10-11 09:49:59 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: badhatharry: Done with this stupid analogy.

Your whole life is one giant, stupid analogy.


Well, I'd say it's more like an analogy that starts out like any other, but slowly, over the course of you reading it becomes more and more apparent that it is going to disappoint, and then when it loses its college girlfriend to the owner of the comic-book store it frequents, things really start to get bitter and spiteful.
 
2013-10-11 09:50:04 AM
Aaand this is why we're doomed. These farktards are so stupid they don't even realize they've threatened the continued existence of the Republic. Obama can't "blink" or the rule of law & legislative procedure and democracy becomes meaningless. Then if they default, we have a probable constitutional crisis as well as an economic apocalypse, which they also don't seem to realize.
 
2013-10-11 09:50:38 AM
psst.  you're not supposed to tell the other side you're bluffing.
 
2013-10-11 09:50:48 AM
This guy still thinks closing federally funded tourist attractions during a time when only necessary government functions can be open is "punitive." So I'm certain he has an accurate read on the whole situation. Pff.
 
2013-10-11 09:50:51 AM

Dahnkster: You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

[flaggman.files.wordpress.com image 130x218]


Check out this false-flagging jerk's profile.
What an ugly, f**ked up cocksucker.
 
2013-10-11 09:51:27 AM

LasersHurt: Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.

They just decided it didn't work before it was installed. And then kept feeling that way while it was installed. And now that its being turned on, they are still saying it doesn't work, even as cool air wafts through the apartment.


Pretty soon they'll start complaining how it's too cold all the time now.
 
2013-10-11 09:51:33 AM

jakomo002: Infernalist: What's that Democrat assessment based on exactly?  Wishful thinking?

They did it last time.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/01/the-fine-print-on - the-debt-deal/?_r=0

And they'll do it again, since Obama has had no problem pushing "austerity" by cutting social spending in the past.  He's closer to the Right than to the Center.


Nope.  He won't give anything at this point.  He has no reason whatsoever to let the GOP get out of this mess.  Plus, if he does so, he permanently damages the power of the Executive Office.  He's not going to do that.

They're going to have to pass a clean CR and a clean debt ceiling raise and 'then' he can sit down and talk details.
 
2013-10-11 09:51:43 AM

skozlaw: LouDobbsAwaaaay: skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....

Imagine the government were a family on a budget.  Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.  Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits?  What about ACORN?  Also, Reagan is the real President.

FINALLY somebody gets it!


LOU DOBBS!  AWAAAAY!

Not as catchy as RON PAUL, but we can make it work!
 
2013-10-11 09:52:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN


IS CNN trolling?  Cruz will fire up the Teaparty.  CNN is stoking the flames of the GOP civil war.
 
2013-10-11 09:52:13 AM

Muta: Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.

So it is like refusing to pay your rent because other people in the building now have the air conditioning that you've been enjoying for years.


I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.

The are on this shiat like flies on themselves, even more rabidly than they are all over abortion.
They've made this health insurance thing their singular focus and the reason for all of this kabuki.
 
2013-10-11 09:52:33 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Washington post is right of the New York Times, but left of CNN. Adjust your hat accordingly.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:09 AM

Muta: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

IS CNN trolling?  Cruz will fire up the Teaparty.  CNN is stoking the flames of the GOP civil war.


They're not doing it for political reasons, they're just madly in love with the idea of a 'in real time' meltdown of the GOP in front of their cameras.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:10 AM
For all his protestations about protecting the full faith and credit of the United States - jittery markets are showing that his brinkmanship could have precisely the opposite effect - the president's real intent is to score a humiliating victory over the GOP.

So the markets were nervous not over the branch of govt in charge of the checkbook holding the debt ceiling hostage but over the branch of government *not* in charge of the checkbook saying that holding the debt ceiling hostage was bad for the global economy?

Its very hard to keep reading when such a disingenuous statement is attempted.

Look, I understand spin and making your "team" look as good as possible, its just the nature of the game.  But when you're pressed into a corner and your choices are saying either that 2+2=5 or keeping your mouth shut, and you choose the former, then its went past understandable spin into the realm of repulsiveness.  I admire skillful players of the game but loathe the cheaters.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:25 AM
Bluff?
mailingitinpodcast.com

God I hope they just keep digging deeper.  And for once in history I would like to see the democrats NOT bail the GOP out of the hole.  But thats what is going to happen, an olive branch of some concession will be offered to the GoP so they can save face.  If the situation was reversed and the Democrats were backed into a corner, the GoP would piss on their dog and rape their daughter while setting the Dems house on fire.  Showing mercy and reaching across the aisle doesnt make us morally superior.  It makes us food to their fanatics.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:40 AM
For all the hyped indignation over GOP "anarchism," there has been remarkable media reticence about the president's intransigence. He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.


Every time the President agrees to a tea party item they back off, double down and then claim the president won't talk. They get almost every thing they wanted from the Grand Bargain, Simpson-Bowels, this years budget, or this summers CR talks but as soon as they get it they back away and add new demands. It is almost like they really don't want an agreement but can't be seen not talking. It is kind of like buy a new car and offering $20,000 on a $25,000 car and when the dealer says yes you demand $15,000 and cry that he wouldn't deal.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:55 AM
It will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
 
2013-10-11 09:53:56 AM

badhatharry: 50% of the people didn't want this air conditioner. Now people that were for the new ac are now complaining that they have to pay double for crappy ac.

The landlord needs to at least make an attempt to make the complainers happy. Done with this stupid analogy.


50% of the people don't want this air conditioner because the GOP and Fox News convinced them the air conditioner will make them hotter.
 
2013-10-11 09:54:32 AM
Mrbogey:   Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for himall part of the plan.

fixed
 
2013-10-11 09:54:46 AM

Muta: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

IS CNN trolling?  Cruz will fire up the Teaparty.  CNN is stoking the flames of the GOP civil war.


It's what drives viewership.
 
2013-10-11 09:54:50 AM
Charles Krauthammer: Greatest Troll, or Grand High Wizard of Trolls?
 
2013-10-11 09:55:18 AM

FarkfaceVonClownstick: LasersHurt: Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.

They just decided it didn't work before it was installed. And then kept feeling that way while it was installed. And now that its being turned on, they are still saying it doesn't work, even as cool air wafts through the apartment.

Pretty soon they'll start complaining how it's too cold all the time now.


"See?  I told you this air conditioner was terrible....you actually have to get up off the couch and walk over to the wall to turn it on!  What a piece of crap!"
 
2013-10-11 09:55:42 AM
After seeing Republicans rush to national monuments to do a huge song and dance number about Obama being a meanie for shutting down what the Republicans shutdown, I think they're looking to create a situation where the President has to decide which bills gets paid and which don't. At that point they'll hammer him non-stop for picking A over B, regardless of what A or B are. Remember, we no longer have a Congress made up of people who have a plan to manage the nation, we have a Congress made up of people who have a plan for their next campaign commercial. For too large of a  percentage of Congress, their one and only talent is campaigning so that's all they do when they're in office.
 
2013-10-11 09:56:01 AM

Jackson Herring: this entire situation with the shutdown and all is EXACTLY like an incredibly inapt metaphor


ok so imagine a nuclear reactor (that is the economy)

the control rods are the debt

the shielding is the debt ceiling

and the coolant is the american people

we don't want the coolant outside the shieldng because that would violate osha requirements
 
2013-10-11 09:56:10 AM
I buy this from Krauthammer the way I bought that he thought Romney was going to win.

/sarcasm
 
2013-10-11 09:56:21 AM

Aar1012: I took it as a sign to not read it when my iPad's browser crashed. The Derp was too much


Literal Liberal Media
 
2013-10-11 09:56:31 AM

Infernalist: The biggest thing was the US Chamber of Commerce coming out and declaring that they would finance any and all GOPers who voted for a clean CR/Debt Ceiling raise against a Tea Party primary challenge.


I missed that.  Yeah, that's pretty much an invitation to open warfare*.

*  Open warfare being defined as "voting for the good of the nation rather than protecting your own ass for your cushy job".
 
2013-10-11 09:57:31 AM
The GOP has spent 5 years telling everyone that Obama is an egotistical maniacal empty suit dictator that is only worried about his own ego and making himself more powerful.

And now, their one hope, to avoid economic ruin that they will be blamed for through the next two generations, is for Obama to cede power to the minority party in congress and a small fraction of the House and completely destroy the power of the office of the presidency forever.

Right.
 
2013-10-11 09:57:45 AM
It's like there's this dog who has to eat and they won't pay for its food because they think the dog is liberal.
 
2013-10-11 09:57:49 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.


Boomers vote to conservative in a vain attempt to preserve their imagined childhood. In their ideal 60's there were no regulations, foreigners or other religions. They are voting the dream. This is how you can tell they are soundly asleep.
 
2013-10-11 09:58:03 AM

Infernalist: Nope.  He won't give anything at this point.  He has no reason whatsoever to let the GOP get out of this mess.  Plus, if he does so, he permanently damages the power of the Executive Office.  He's not going to do that.

They're going to have to pass a clean CR and a clean debt ceiling raise and 'then' he can sit down and talk details.


I disagree, he'll give some concessions in order to help the Republicans that he LIKES to save some face, hoping for future support.

They're going to cave because when it's all said and done, there's insider shiat and collusion going on all the time.  Only two teams in the league and they need it to stay that way.

Just watch.
 
2013-10-11 09:58:17 AM
10/08/2013 - President Obama Holds Off-The-Record Meeting With Conservative Journalists

The group, according to a source familiar with the meeting, included Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, Washington Examiner columnist Byron York, syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker and Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.


To be a fly on the wall at that meeting.
 
2013-10-11 09:58:50 AM
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2013-10-11 09:59:18 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN


Getting heckled too.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:12 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog.


Fark is not your personal interracial canine erotica rape site...but it could be someday.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:21 AM
Cruz is getting heckled his ass off.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: Literal Liberal Media


If the media really were as liberal as the right claims, we wouldn't see 90% of the headlines refer to both sides' inability to compromise.  They would be absolutely slamming the GOP for this.
 
2013-10-11 10:00:43 AM

Infernalist: And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.


Just a friendly reminder that there is not now, nor ever been, a "Tea Party." These are ALL republicans, period. Every damn one of those twats were supported, received financial backing, and elected as republicans. I'm not letting the GOP off the hook for doing so.
 
2013-10-11 10:01:08 AM

scumshine: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

Getting heckled too.



Is he really?  OMG precious.
 
2013-10-11 10:03:12 AM

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.

Boomers vote to conservative in a vain attempt to preserve their imagined childhood. In their ideal 60's there were no regulations, foreigners or other religions. They are voting the dream. This is how you can tell they are soundly asleep.


True enough.
There is s certain demographic that has done a pretty good job looting and wrecking the country and now they want to pull up the ladder behind them.
It's not gonna happen.
 
2013-10-11 10:05:00 AM

Bontesla: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.


So you're saying that Harry should kill any CR that isn't a "clean" CR or are you saying he should kill a debt ceiling raise if it's just temporary?

Who's responsible, the party that kept sending "reasonable" bills or the party that killed them all?

You can argue the hostage analogy all you want but lets be clear. A no vote is very concrete and an analogy is something much more abstract.
 
2013-10-11 10:06:06 AM

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


No, insist that they not weaken if not out right destroy the office of the President of the United States. That is what is at stake here with the debt ceiling. The President made a huge mistake last time and realizes that this time there is no room for compromise, no room for retreat, no room for surrender.  Either the Republicans acknowledge and accept a Black Democrat as the legitimate President of the United States or the economy will burn.

They have spent almost 6 years trying to rewrite the fact that the President is a Black Democrat and now they are standing in a pile of gasoline with a lit flare. Either they throw that flare into a bucket of water and admit defeat, or they burn everyone.
 
2013-10-11 10:06:26 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Democrats trying?

*snerk*
 
2013-10-11 10:06:44 AM

scumshine: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz ia lying his ass off at  some derper convention right now.
Live on CNN

Getting heckled too.


Holy shiat he's got that crowd in his hands.  He's a swarmy lying farkhead evil bastard.  But an amazing politician. He's not going anywhere but up for a while, dont think for a second that Texas isnt holding on to every single word he says.  Cruz is going to do a lot of farking damage in the coming decade.  People who live outside of Texas will find it impossible to believe that he will keep getting reelected (and promoted), but Cruz is not going anywhere but up.  Were farked.
 
2013-10-11 10:07:36 AM
Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: The Affordable Care Act: Passed by the congress, signed by the president, litigated before the Supreme Court, the law of the land.

Suck it you cruel greedy conservatards.

Americans are buying health insurance right now on the Obamacare web site.
Right. Now.


More then that public opinion of the ACA is trending positive. Think about that this law has been stuck around 35-40 percent approve 40-45 percent disapprove and 10-20 percent don't care or don't know. It has been said before, but the ACA went live it is game over, by the end of the year it will be entrenched as much as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:37 AM

youmightberight: Bontesla: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.

So you're saying that Harry should kill any CR that isn't a "clean" CR or are you saying he should kill a debt ceiling raise if it's just temporary?

Who's responsible, the party that kept sending "reasonable" bills or the party that killed them all?

You can argue the hostage analogy all you want but lets be clear. A no vote is very concrete and an analogy is something much more abstract.


I'm saying that the Senate should reject anything other than a clean CR (with exception of the funding bill that just passed).

Holding a country hostage is not how you obtain compromise. It's how you extort something out of someone else.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:45 AM
The republican position seems to be a) stop calling us mean names and b) we broke the country on purpose and you should thank us.

That shiat ain't selling though.
 
2013-10-11 10:08:52 AM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Turn that around, and it starts to make a lot more sense: They need to lay that groundwork, and subvert the authority of the so-called "unitary executive," because they realize that national demographics are turning against them. They might like to win the presidency some time in the near future, but they've seen the writing on the wall, and know that ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

I think it's more likely that some strategist somewhere in the Republican camp-an  actual strategist, not the pants-on-head retarded gaffe machines that make the rounds of the nightly news-have run the numbers, admitted to themselves that the tide has turned against them, and has resorted to procedural skulduggery like gerrymandering and attempting to establish rules like this in order to maintain the minimum foothold needed to enact their agenda.

Hell, that would also explain  why the nightly news is infected with Republican poster-children for engaging brain before operating mouth, rather than being reined in by their handlers: Because they don't  need to. A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat. All they have to do is keep their base riled up, and certainly the shiat-stirrers do that.

Just claim enough congressional seats to introduce the kind of chaos the Teafaulters are doing, count on the president (who, remember, is going to be a Democrat and by axiom generally compassionate) to do the "better" thing and keep the government going in exchange for massive concessions that continue to weaken his power, and they can make the man in the highest office a figurehead, if not their biatch.

The problem is, I don't think Obama wants to be anyone's biatch, nor does he want to see future administrations hamstrung by similar shenanigans. Does this mean the GOP is on the ropes? Absolutely not. They have their comparatively safe seats at the cost of disenfranchised voters, and most of their procedural groundwork is already in place. The Sequester of 2011 was the rehearsal, and this shutdown is the opening curtain.

I may get troll-bites from this one, but Obama needs to hold the line. We need a dictator to break their machinery.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:21 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!

No, insist that they not weaken if not out right destroy the office of the President of the United States. That is what is at stake here with the debt ceiling. The President made a huge mistake last time and realizes that this time there is no room for compromise, no room for retreat, no room for surrender.  Either the Republicans acknowledge and accept a Black Democrat as the legitimate President of the United States or the economy will burn.

They have spent almost 6 years trying to rewrite the fact that the President is a Black Democrat and now they are standing in a pile of gasoline with a lit flare. Either they throw that flare into a bucket of water and admit defeat, or they burn everyone.


When just one administration earlier, they were all for unchecked Executive powers and a unitary President.
 
2013-10-11 10:09:39 AM

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2013-10-11 10:09:58 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


No. The Post has fallen victim to the same thing most media has: a desire to represent the entire political spectrum in order to maximize revenue. They've always had Krauthammer write an occasional column in order to make their opinion page more balanced, but the Post has always been liberal - just look at their political endorsement record. I don't think they have ever endorsed a Republican for president. They endorsed Obama, though.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:12 AM
I love how the GOP is whining like little babies that, "Obama won't negotiate!!!"...

Yet, the entire CR is based on the GOP's numbers and Cantor was declaring this a victory for Republicans as recently as September.

fark this disingenuous assholes in the GOP.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:12 AM

Muta: Carn: Muta: Carn: Your face is a metaphor

You're so ugly your face is a metaphive

Well Krauthammer is a penis face so he's a metasex.

Sorry, that wasn't nice.  I apologize to all Penis-Faced-Americans who aren't Charles Krauthammer.

And I want to appologize to you, Carn, for the face comment.  I've never see you but I am sure your face is above average.  Insults and ad hominem will destroy the culture of fark.


Don't worry, I know I'm devilishly handsome.  Wait, is that the same as kinda hairy?  I forget.

I have to disagree with your last statement.  Everyone who disagrees with me is a poopyhead.
 
2013-10-11 10:10:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.


Of Canada?
 
2013-10-11 10:11:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.


But theres no way in hell he can win right?
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Right?  That would be impossible!
 
2013-10-11 10:12:14 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Think about that this law has been stuck around 35-40 percent approve 40-45 percent disapprove and 10-20 percent don't care or don't know.


People seem to forget that a 10-15% chunk of the "disapprove" crowd disapproves because the law is too weak.  They want a stronger health care law, with a public option.  So if you remove these folks, the ACA is polling a lot better than most people realize.  Don't let the "55% of Americans hate the ACA" crowd fool you.
 
2013-10-11 10:12:57 AM

Dahnkster: You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

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Never know the man was paraplegic. It does beg the question however, how can a man who would be dead or much more severely disabled now without proper medical care support policies that limit who can and cannot receive treatment? Had he not been born to a family wealthy enough to cover his medical bills he would not be the man he is today. I don't know, I guess I always thought tragedy gave people a spirit of compassion for others, but I guess it just makes some people bitter.
 
2013-10-11 10:13:44 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: 10/08/2013 - President Obama Holds Off-The-Record Meeting With Conservative Journalists

The group, according to a source familiar with the meeting, included Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, National Review Washington editor Robert Costa, Washington Examiner columnist Byron York, syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker and Washington Post columnist and Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer.


To be a fly on the wall at that meeting.


Not real surprising.  Those are all writers for major corporate conglomerates who got their marching orders from their plutocrat owners to help work with Obama in manipulating the teaparty rubes into willfully putting the gun down and releasing the hostage.   They're just going to play the "good cop" to Obama's "bad cop".
 
2013-10-11 10:14:03 AM

Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.


Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.
 
2013-10-11 10:14:51 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: I think it's more like old, white, ignorant, religious, scared people don't want anyone to have it better than they had it, especially being able to buy health insurance.

Boomers vote to conservative in a vain attempt to preserve their imagined childhood. In their ideal 60's there were no regulations, foreigners or other religions. They are voting the dream. This is how you can tell they are soundly asleep.

True enough.
There is s certain demographic that has done a pretty good job looting and wrecking the country and now they want to pull up the ladder behind them.
It's not gonna happen.


Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.
 
2013-10-11 10:15:05 AM

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2013-10-11 10:16:05 AM

ELKAY: Never know the man was paraplegic. It does beg the question however, how can a man who would be dead or much more severely disabled now without proper medical care support policies that limit who can and cannot receive treatment? Had he not been born to a family wealthy enough to cover his medical bills he would not be the man he is today. I don't know, I guess I always thought tragedy gave people a spirit of compassion for others, but I guess it just makes some people bitter.


Sounds like he has a hard time putting himself in other people's shoes.  Er, chairs.
 
2013-10-11 10:16:47 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican


Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?
 
2013-10-11 10:17:19 AM

Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time


That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...
 
2013-10-11 10:20:09 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time

That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...


I blame Jon Lovitz.
 
2013-10-11 10:20:46 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Imagine the government were a family on a budget. Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog. Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits? What about ACORN? Also, Reagan is the real President.


Have you considered running for Congress?
If you can amp up the crazy just a little more, you might have a shot.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:33 AM
President Barack Obama is like a novice flier thrust into the cockpit of a 747. He's pushing buttons, flipping switches and radioing air traffic control, but nothing's happening. The plane is just slowly descending on its own, and while it may or may not crash, it at least doesn't appear to be headed to any particularly useful destination. Obama's ineffectiveness, always a hallmark of his presidency, has reached a new cruising altitude this year.

This is what freepers actually believe.
 
2013-10-11 10:21:54 AM

skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....


It's like when Wimpie borrows money from Popeye to buy a hamburger today and he promises to pay him back on Tuesday but instead he eats Olive Oyl.
 
2013-10-11 10:23:13 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.


Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.
 
2013-10-11 10:23:52 AM

MontanaDave: skozlaw: Oh good... here comes the torrent of completely invalid analogies from dozens of people who don't have any idea how their own government funds programs, what's being funded, or how the funding is achieved.

Yay....

It's like when Wimpie borrows money from Popeye to buy a hamburger today and he promises to pay him back on Tuesday but instead he eats Olive Oyl.


IF only there were a farker who could explain the crisis in terms of coconuts...
 
2013-10-11 10:25:08 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.


If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.
 
2013-10-11 10:25:13 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.


He was born in Canada there is no way the Tea Party would let someone who wasn't even born in the US be president right?!
 
2013-10-11 10:25:33 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Warlordtrooper: Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time

That's what I thought after 8 years of Reagan...


Then you didn't understand the boomer demographic. The only reason clinton won the first time was a popular libertarian ran as well. It took gingrich's total failure to get him elected for his second. The GOP have positioned themselves to be labeled the party of failure to lead. The next republican candidate will have to run an anti-tea-party campaign. How likely do you think that is in the primary?
 
2013-10-11 10:26:17 AM

lockers: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican

Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?


"You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative..."  That's what I said, right? I tend to lump Republicans and TP's together, its all one and the same to me.
 
2013-10-11 10:26:25 AM
Scratch that, I'm not done with my air conditioning metaphor. We'll take in an ideological angle.

The landlord put in a centrally controlled system and took away the individual units. He charges some people double and some people nothing. The landlord and his buddies still get there own individual units though. The landlord also secretly spies on and intimidates all of the tenants so they don't get too uppity.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:08 AM

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2013-10-11 10:27:39 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.


The majority of you farking baby boomers are republican. You farks are the reason the teabaggers have any traction whatsoever. You once, would it kill you farkers to own up to your shortsighted, narcissistic, decisions?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/baby-boomers-climb-on-gop-wagon/
 
2013-10-11 10:28:33 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.


I seriously doubt he's America's guy, though. Never mind the whole citizenship thing (which even if it isn't a real concern for him would still be sauce for the goose), he and Boner are (rightly) the Republicans' public faces of the shutdown, as Obama and Reid are (wrongly) the Democrats' public faces. If the public can be reminded often enough what kind of brinkmanship he's willing to carry out, what part he has in the Republican plan to upend checks and balances and to ramrod a plutocratic agenda through the legislative process, yes, he could be another bright star on the Republican presidential scene, burning brilliantly then using up all its hydrogen and collapsing into yet another typical dense mass.

Of course, these days the public has the memory of a hydrocephalic goldfish, so I can't guarantee it won't happen.
 
2013-10-11 10:30:34 AM

scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.


Ok, Ok.
I hear you. I'm north of my 40s and have never voted GOP.
Conservative is one of the most popular default ideologies in America. (Forty percent, actually, regardless of party self-identification.) I think that's a function of nostalgia for a time that never really existed except as imagined in their naive, simpler, younger minds. Boomer presidents have been a leadership disaster, Clinton the NAFTA Gobalist, Bush the Globalist and Permawar President, Obama the Globalist and Friend of Wall Street and sustainer of Bush policies.

I don't really know what to say, except that maybe people are tired of seeing one generation get all the gravy American could offer and seeing nothing left for them, so they want to burn it down.
Can't blame them for being angry.
This is the result of greedy, cruel, stupid policy coming home to roost.

I stupidly attended college and took out student loans to do so and the economy has left me stranded with nothing but debt. Personal choices, whatever. We live in a contracting economy now and people will just have to accept that we're all farked and unless we cooperate to help each other, it's over.
It's ironic that the catalyst for this nightmare is actually a government program that allows people like me to buy health insurance.

But the primary demographic of the Suicide Caucus is older, white, less educated, religious people.
Here's a good piece that describes them.
 
2013-10-11 10:31:21 AM
calling people mean names is against the terms of service of the us government and furthermore comma
 
2013-10-11 10:31:21 AM

scumshine: lockers: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican

Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?

"You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative..."  That's what I said, right? I tend to lump Republicans and TP's together, its all one and the same to me.


Sorry, if you admitted that then I overreacted. Of course it's not all. hell, it's barely more than half. If you look at the age of people who self identify as tea party, it drops like a stone as you go south of 45. It is distinctly a boomer movement.
 
2013-10-11 10:32:26 AM

Johnny Swank: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.

The majority of you farking baby boomers are republican. You farks are the reason the teabaggers have any traction whatsoever. You once, would it kill you farkers to own up to your shortsighted, narcissistic, decisions?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/baby-boomers-climb-on-gop-wagon/


Or better, start to peer pressure those other assholes!
 
2013-10-11 10:32:52 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.

But theres no way in hell he can win right?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1124]


FTFY

 Right?  That would be im unpossible!
 
2013-10-11 10:33:09 AM

Johnny Swank: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.

The majority of you farking baby boomers are republican. You farks are the reason the teabaggers have any traction whatsoever. You once, would it kill you farkers to own up to your shortsighted, narcissistic, decisions?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/baby-boomers-climb-on-gop-wagon/


Knock it off.

You're starting to sound like a Teahadist.
 
2013-10-11 10:33:18 AM

lockers: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican

Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?


Unfortunately I think the caricature of the Tea Party as something dying out with its older/white/male base is overly optimistic.  The real base is anyone plugged into an echo chamber of misinformation and emotional appeals to rage.  Those older/white/males raised a whole generation of entitled kids that get all their information from Facebook.

/be afraid... very afraid
 
2013-10-11 10:33:35 AM

jst3p: President Barack Obama is like a novice flier thrust into the cockpit of a 747. He's pushing buttons, flipping switches and radioing air traffic control, but nothing's happening. The plane is just slowly descending on its own, and while it may or may not crash, it at least doesn't appear to be headed to any particularly useful destination. Obama's ineffectiveness, always a hallmark of his presidency, has reached a new cruising altitude this year.

This is what freepers actually believe.


He's also a genius mastermind carrying out a carefully orchestrated plan to establish himself as the caliphate of Chicago and turn over the White House to the UN (which is nothing but a front for the communist trilateral commission Bilderbergs).
 
2013-10-11 10:33:52 AM

Diogenes: If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.


Mmmmn...Pasta la Romney:

Elbow macaroni and mayo.
 
2013-10-11 10:34:42 AM

badhatharry: AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.

Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people. People are accepting it. It's a sign that the end game of days is near.


Wooooooooooooooooo... gasp ... oooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-10-11 10:35:03 AM

cranked: lockers: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican

Are you contending the tea party isn't overwhelmingly associated with your age group (assuming you're over 45)?

Unfortunately I think the caricature of the Tea Party as something dying out with its older/white/male base is overly optimistic.  The real base is anyone plugged into an echo chamber of misinformation and emotional appeals to rage.  Those older/white/males raised a whole generation of entitled kids that get all their information from Facebook.

/be afraid... very afraid


Just look at the polling on it. The tea party has a very short tail as you head to youth from 45.
 
2013-10-11 10:35:24 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-11 10:35:32 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.

But theres no way in hell he can win right?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1124]
Right?  That would be impossible!



Well, first Obama has to do something immoral that will shift the country's mood and make us long for a President who wraps himself in Bible verses. Bush, the family man with his cookie-baking wife, got elected because Clinton got a blowjob and his wife was one of those loud, pants-suit wearing broads. Obama got elected because of the perception (and reality) that old white men had sent the country into wars and recession. The next guy will have to be the bizarro Barack. We've tried old and white, we've given black a shot, now it'll probably be a woman's turn.
 
2013-10-11 10:35:36 AM

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Of course, these days the public has the memory of a hydrocephalic goldfish, so I can't guarantee it won't happen.


It's a ways away in political time until the campaign season, but Cruz is clearly a rising star on the Gooper side. Just like Obama was for the dems long before he ran. Cruz will appeal to socially conservative Latinos as well as Tea Jihadis and remember that conservatives are the largest idelogical group in the United States.

Too bad Cruz is so adept but spewing such cultural poison.
 
2013-10-11 10:36:25 AM

Skleenar: Diogenes: If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.

Mmmmn...Pasta la Romney:

Elbow macaroni and mayo.


Served on an ironing board.
 
2013-10-11 10:36:36 AM
He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.
 
2013-10-11 10:37:12 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.

But theres no way in hell he can win right?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1124]
Right?  That would be impossible!


Well, first Obama has to do something immoral that will shift the country's mood and make us long for a President who wraps himself in Bible verses. Bush, the family man with his cookie-baking wife, got elected because Clinton got a blowjob and his wife was one of those loud, pants-suit wearing broads. Obama got elected because of the perception (and reality) that old white men had sent the country into wars and recession. The next guy will have to be the bizarro Barack. We've tried old and white, we've given black a shot, now it'll probably be a woman's turn.


Michelle Obama?  God that would be awesome.  The sounds of millions of heads simultaneously exploding will be heard from Asia.
 
2013-10-11 10:39:19 AM

Jackson Herring: calling people mean names is against the terms of service of the us government and furthermore comma


Your citizenship has been revoked for 24 hours... In the meantime, you can review the citizen posting guidelines.
 
2013-10-11 10:41:12 AM

badhatharry: Scratch that, I'm not done with my air conditioning metaphor. We'll take in an ideological angle.

The landlord put in a centrally controlled system and took away the individual units. He charges some people double and some people nothing. The landlord and his buddies still get there own individual units though. The landlord also secretly spies on and intimidates all of the tenants so they don't get too uppity.


You have pants on your head. See, when you woke up this morning, you put on your shirt like a normal person. You put on your socks. However, when it came to your pants, you got confused. You looked at them and couldn't figure out where they went. So you took a guess. You put them on your head. You opened the fly so you can see, which was pretty smart considering, but you never really questioned what those two pieces of cloth hanging down your back were for.

When you left the house, you just ignored the people laughing and pointing at you. You also didn't question the fact that everyone else used pants to cover the bottom hald of their body. You just assumed that they had not figured out the "truth" about pants.

When you got to work, your supervisor questioned your style choice. You simply pointed to the unzipped fly and said "see." The supervisor rolled her eyes, mumbled something, and walked away.

At lunch you questioned your choice. However, you just knew in your gut that pants go on the head. All of those people in the courtyard were just not as visionary as you. You got through the 12th grade gosh darn it! You knew stuff! And things!

On the way home, a police officer pulled you over. Seeing the pants on your head, he asked you how much you had to drink. You replied "nothing officer!" He asked you to step out of the car. You failed the field sobriety test because you refused to take your pants off (the indignity) and got locked up. When they took the mug shot, they tried to take the pants off. You started screwing "Gattaca" so they left you alone.

On the way home, you once again questioned your beliefs. However, you passed a church. Taking this as a sign from god, you held firm. "See even god wants me to wear pants on my head."

The End.
 
2013-10-11 10:41:39 AM

Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.


Yeah.
But stupid sells in Tea Nutter Land.
 
2013-10-11 10:43:25 AM

Diogenes: Skleenar: Diogenes: If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.

Mmmmn...Pasta la Romney:

Elbow macaroni and mayo.

Served on an ironing board.


Washed down with a diet Big Red.
 
2013-10-11 10:43:33 AM

CPennypacker: CPennypacker: Is anyone else following Niall Ferguson's breakdown on HuffPo? We're in Day 3 now. I think Krugman broke his brain.

More Posts by Niall Ferguson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/krugtron-the-invincible- p _b_4073956.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-housing-cri s is_b_4067580.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 2
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-euro_b_4060 7 33.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/why-my-comparing-obama-t o _b_257573.html">Why My Comparing Obama to Felix the Cat Is Not Racist

lolwut?


Oh, I wondered what rock that clown who wrote a book about how great the British Empire was for the indigenous had crawled under .. He got laughed out of England pretty quick.
 
2013-10-11 10:44:39 AM

Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.


In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"
 
2013-10-11 10:45:04 AM

urbangirl: Diogenes: Skleenar: Diogenes: If that happens it will be fun to watch them try to rewrite his past ala Romney.

Mmmmn...Pasta la Romney:

Elbow macaroni and mayo.

Served on an ironing board.

Washed down with a diet Big Red.

Soda

?  Are you mad?
 
2013-10-11 10:45:32 AM

DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"


Underestimate these people at your peril.
 
2013-10-11 10:45:40 AM

DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"


Meh...worked for Gingrich.
 
2013-10-11 10:45:51 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.


So neither of the main parties have the interests of the American people at heart? I wish someone could help me decide which way to cast my vote after that bombshell.
 
2013-10-11 10:50:58 AM

Infernalist: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.


I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.
 
2013-10-11 10:51:23 AM

Mrfusticle: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

So neither of the main parties have the interests of the American people at heart? I wish someone could help me decide which way to cast my vote after that bombshell.


Well, you know what to do when both sides are bad...
 
2013-10-11 10:52:19 AM

mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.


1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.
 
2013-10-11 10:53:11 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Infernalist: This shutdown wasn't just a disaster, it was THE disaster.  Their political equivalent of Cali's Big One.  All they want to do now is try and end this with 'some' semblance of pride, some small shred of dignity.  And, make no mistake about it, they hate the Tea Party with the power of ten thousand exploding suns now.

The Tea Jihadis are threatening to primary the ones who don't play along.
It's nard to see how they can get a face-saving exit at this point.


Jonestown, Heaven's Gate come to mind.
 
2013-10-11 10:53:18 AM

EWreckedSean: Infernalist: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.

I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.



You sound like a second grader. I don't even allow my son to give me the,"but he did it, too" defense for his actions.

/Man up.
 
2013-10-11 10:53:20 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

Yeah.
But stupid sells in Tea Nutter Land.


Maybe, but big words don't. No one who is going to agree with him will understand what he's saying.
 
2013-10-11 10:54:18 AM

Mrfusticle: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

So neither of the main parties have the interests of the American people at heart? I wish someone could help me decide which way to cast my vote after that bombshell.


Read the thread, apparently most people on the left around here still think Obama is acting out of principle, and not for political expediency.
 
2013-10-11 10:54:43 AM
This is AWESOME news.

Krauthammer says Obama will blink.

Krauthammer is ALWAYS wrong.

Thus Obama will not blink.


I has teh happy.
 
2013-10-11 10:55:36 AM

Dahnkster: You know, when I want sage and wise advice... I think to myself, I say self... How about asking a brilliant man. You know, the kind of man that can't even jump into a farking swimming pool without breaking his own gawdamned neck and paralyzing himself for life. I know that even though millions of people climb in and out of swimming pools without any injury -- every minute of the day -- all over the world. I think, boy I REALLY want to hear the opinion a bitter, partisan cripple trapped in a wheelchair who shiats himself. If you could not tell the water was too shallow in a pool before you jumped in, I might be thinkin' that I could seriously give less of a flying fark what you have to say on a one-sided "news" channel that especially caters to nitwits and idiots.

[flaggman.files.wordpress.com image 130x218]


He can be crippled and have a valid argument.  I'm just saying it is technically possible.  He never does.
 
2013-10-11 10:55:48 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: EWreckedSean: Infernalist: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.

I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.


You sound like a second grader. I don't even allow my son to give me the,"but he did it, too" defense for his actions.

/Man up.


I'm not defending them, I'm laughing at all the faux outrage about how people can't believe the other guy acts that way.
 
2013-10-11 10:55:56 AM

EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.


Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.
 
2013-10-11 10:56:27 AM

EWreckedSean: Mrfusticle: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

So neither of the main parties have the interests of the American people at heart? I wish someone could help me decide which way to cast my vote after that bombshell.

Read the thread, apparently most people on the left around here still think Obama is acting out of principle, and not for political expediency.


This is the modern definition of left, "People who are factually accurate."
 
2013-10-11 10:57:04 AM

badhatharry: He charges some people double and some people nothing.


Yeah that's not quite how the ACA works.
 
2013-10-11 10:57:44 AM

EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.


Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.
 
2013-10-11 10:59:23 AM

urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.


Yeah, but we're going to be conservative blowhards about dumb shiat like inter-robot marriage and cyborg rights.
 
2013-10-11 10:59:25 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.

Ok, Ok.
I hear you. I'm north of my 40s and have never voted GOP.
Conservative is one of the most popular default ideologies in America. (Forty percent, actually, regardless of party self-identification.) I think that's a function of nostalgia for a time that never really existed except as imagined in their naive, simpler, younger minds. Boomer presidents have been a leadership disaster, Clinton the NAFTA Gobalist, Bush the Globalist and Permawar President, Obama the Globalist and Friend of Wall Street and sustainer of Bush policies.

I don't really know what to say, except that maybe people are tired of seeing one generation get all the gravy American could offer and seeing nothing left for them, so they want to burn it down.
Can't blame them for being angry.
This is the result of greedy, cruel, stupid policy coming home to roost.

I stupidly attended college and took out student loans to do so and the economy has left me stranded with nothing but debt. Personal choices, whatever. We live in a contracting economy now and people will just have to accept that we're all farked and unless we cooperate to help each other, it's over.
It's ironic that the catalyst for this nightmare is actually a government program that allows people like me to buy health insurance.

But the primary demographic of the Suicide Caucus is older, white, less educated, religious people.
Here's a good piece that describes them.


HotIgneous Intruder: scumshine: Hold on there sonny, that's a bit disingenuous. I'm an old farker and I've never voted Republican and I know a lot of other folks my age that haven't either.  You're correct to say that the majority of my generation is conservative but also there are many teatards in my area of the country who are in their 20's - 40's and pull the f#cking teatard lever every godam time they vote and send these jerks off to the state capitol and DC.

Ok, Ok.
I hear you. I'm north of my 40s and have never voted GOP.
Conservative is one of the most popular default ideologies in America. (Forty percent, actually, regardless of party self-identification.) I think that's a function of nostalgia for a time that never really existed except as imagined in their naive, simpler, younger minds. Boomer presidents have been a leadership disaster, Clinton the NAFTA Gobalist, Bush the Globalist and Permawar President, Obama the Globalist and Friend of Wall Street and sustainer of Bush policies.

I don't really know what to say, except that maybe people are tired of seeing one generation get all the gravy American could offer and seeing nothing left for them, so they want to burn it down.
Can't blame them for being angry.
This is the result of greedy, cruel, stupid policy coming home to roost.

I stupidly attended college and took out student loans to do so and the economy has left me stranded with nothing but debt. Personal choices, whatever. We live in a contracting economy now and people will just have to accept that we're all farked and unless we cooperate to help each other, it's over.
It's ironic that the catalyst for this nightmare is actually a government program that allows people like me to buy health insurance.

But the primary demographic of the Suicide Caucus is older, white, less educated, religious people.
Here's a good piece that describes them.


Good read. Looks like a lot of them are grouped around rural areas, at least in my state of TN. The sad thing about this is that there is nothing anyone can do about defeating these people in at the voting booth. Nate Silver says the same thing here, look at Item #3,I posted this in another thread this morning but its relevant to this thread, its depressing and I hope he's wrong...
 
2013-10-11 11:00:20 AM

EWreckedSean: I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives


O_o

What would you want to  use them for? Skeet shooting? Bookends?

Enquiring minds yada yada..
 
2013-10-11 11:00:24 AM

Ambivalence: HotIgneous Intruder: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

Yeah.
But stupid sells in Tea Nutter Land.

Maybe, but big words don't. No one who is going to agree with him will understand what he's saying.


Yeah. But they'll be enthralled by the way he uses the big words.
I just watched Cruz speak.
He's as good as Obama once was at playing a room.

Too bad we didn't get that version of Obama in the presidency.
 
2013-10-11 11:00:32 AM

EWreckedSean: Read the thread, apparently most people on the left around here still think Obama is acting out of principle, and not for political expediency.


That doesn't matter to me as long as he's right.  And on this he is...it's objectively asinine to refuse to approve CR or refuse to raise the debt ceiling in order to get the other side to undo a validly-passed and confirmed law.  Or to extract any concession, really.  The time to do that is during the negotiations over a more permanent budget.
 
2013-10-11 11:01:42 AM

mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.


I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.
 
2013-10-11 11:02:25 AM

scumshine: Good read. Looks like a lot of them are grouped around rural areas, at least in my state of TN. The sad thing about this is that there is nothing anyone can do about defeating these people in at the voting booth. Nate Silver says the same thing here, look at Item #3,I posted this in another thread this morning but its relevant to this thread, its depressing and I hope he's wrong...


I saw that Silver piece.
Unfortunately, those teahadi districts are safe ones.
 
2013-10-11 11:03:36 AM

EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.

I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.


So you're worse than a Tea Tard.
Gotcha.
 
2013-10-11 11:04:52 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.



Oct. 5-9, 1990
 
2013-10-11 11:05:41 AM

urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.


My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:03 AM

Trivia Jockey: EWreckedSean: Read the thread, apparently most people on the left around here still think Obama is acting out of principle, and not for political expediency.

That doesn't matter to me as long as he's right.  And on this he is...it's objectively asinine to refuse to approve CR or refuse to raise the debt ceiling in order to get the other side to undo a validly-passed and confirmed law.  Or to extract any concession, really.  The time to do that is during the negotiations over a more permanent budget.


Again, the faux outrage when the other guy is pulling some political shenanigans is funny.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:49 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


I wish the guy wasn't such a nasty piece of work. With a name like Krauthammer he ought to be farking awesome.
 
2013-10-11 11:06:56 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


This.

DROxINxTHExWIND:

 now it'll probably be a woman's turn.

My worry is that Democrats are putting all their money on Hillary to just beat the shiat out of the republicans.  Hillary who the republicans hate with a burning passion, they will all show up to vote against her no matter who the republicans run against her.  Presidential elections are not won by the left or right voters, they are won by the middle, when and if they decide to show up to vote.  Hillary may not motivate them to do so.  Also the republicans have been saving up ammo to use against the Clintons since the day Obama got elected.  The wise course of action is to make them waste it and force them to retarget a new opponent after the primary.  Hillary is far more useful as a distraction than a candidate.
 
2013-10-11 11:07:22 AM

lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.


Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.
 
2013-10-11 11:09:27 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.
 
2013-10-11 11:11:01 AM

EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990


Right.
And the democrats even did it to Jimmy Cater over Medicaid money going for abortions. So you see, conservatisim has little to do with party.
 
2013-10-11 11:11:36 AM

EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990


What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?
 
2013-10-11 11:12:42 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Ever notice that the Kraut Hammer's upper lip NEVER moves when he's speaking?

Never!

Is he some sort of giant evil version of a Supermarionation puppet?

ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-10-11 11:13:20 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-10-11 11:13:28 AM

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.


Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.
 
2013-10-11 11:13:42 AM

EWreckedSean: Again, the faux outrage when the other guy is pulling some political shenanigans is funny.


"Political shenanigans"?  Really?  Explain the "shenanigans".  One party said "we won't agree to fund the entire government unless you undo a bill that was passed by Congress, signed into law, and approved by the Supreme Court."

It's "shenanigans" to say no, that's ridiculous, we're not going to go down that road?
 
2013-10-11 11:15:49 AM

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Note the shut-down government and threatened default.
Paying attention?

This is them just getting started.
We're ripe for iconoclastic demagogues and look at al the sheep jumping on that train.

The thing speaks for itself.
 
2013-10-11 11:16:14 AM
What makes this whole GOP stance even more stupid is that they claim that Obama is damaging the economy, yet not raising the debt ceiling is more of a clear and present danger to the economy than anything Obama has done.  Even the Wall Street guys (and they're not liberals) are saying the debt ceiling must be raised.
 
2013-10-11 11:16:39 AM

Trivia Jockey: badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.

That analogy needs tweaking...the air conditioner actually works.  It works so well that the other people in the building who couldn't afford air conditioning now have their apartments cooled fir the first time.


Also the "credit card company" is a machine that prints IOUs that your buddy jack sells to people by saying. "Look, the guy is immortal and has so many guns, you know he's good for it." And all the people in your apartment block have to give you some of their money every time they earn or spend anything.

I guess what I am saying is the analogy sucks. So lets try this instead. Imagine an analogy that doesn't suck, then use that.
 
2013-10-11 11:17:00 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Note the shut-down government and threatened default.
Paying attention?

This is them just getting started.
We're ripe for iconoclastic demagogues and look at al the sheep jumping on that train.

The thing speaks for itself.


Sure - whatever you say, precious. *pats head*
 
2013-10-11 11:19:06 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.


Bull sh*t. People get more responsible into their late twenties. After that people pretty much stay the same. At no point after thirty do people get more careful or consider more. They have already established the pattern that will define their lives.
 
2013-10-11 11:19:34 AM

Trivia Jockey: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?


"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."
 
2013-10-11 11:19:49 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
 
2013-10-11 11:22:41 AM

Rann Xerox: Charles Krauthammer.....

[i78.photobucket.com image 400x306]


sadlyno.com
 
2013-10-11 11:23:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?

"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."


I don't see any mention in there that the House asked Bush to overturn or defund an existing law.
 
2013-10-11 11:24:01 AM

lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.

Bull sh*t. People get more responsible into their late twenties. After that people pretty much stay the same. At no point after thirty do people get more careful or consider more. They have already established the pattern that will define their lives.


You sound young, without children.
And you still don't understand that conservatism is not a political party trait, just like "lib" is not a political party trait. An American "liberal" is probably a right winger in Australia.
Plus, the political spectrum is wide regarding social views.
I'm probably a paleoconservative, as are man of my friends, though I lean farther left then most of them, who are mainly republicans.
I've never voted GOP and never will, but I have GOP friends who are very socially liberal -- the paleoconservatives.

Take a lesson. Study it out. Educate yourself and don't let this divisive political atmosphere poison your mind.
 
2013-10-11 11:24:09 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Crabs_Can_Polevault: A viable presidential candidate is unlikely on their side, so they don't have to cultivate anyone to fill that seat.

Ted Cruz.
I just saw him speak.
He's their guy.

Yea pretty obvious.  If he run's against Hillary, start shiatting your pants.  If we pull out Obama 2.0, we can laugh all through the election at the sound bites.  There's also the possibility that corporate America will recognize how dangerous Cruz is to their profit margins and fund the other guy.  But anybody who thinks that Cruz doesn't have a chance in hell of being president, has not been paying attention.




He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.
 
2013-10-11 11:25:06 AM

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


You're forgetting the most important factor - he isn't black.  Problem solved.
 
2013-10-11 11:25:25 AM

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?

"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."

I don't see any mention in there that the House asked Bush to overturn or defund an existing law.


True enough.
I was adding background.
Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.
 
2013-10-11 11:26:07 AM

EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.

I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.


You were a Romney supporter dude.  Embrace it.
 
2013-10-11 11:26:33 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

My grandparents were liberal throughout their life. My parents are conservative through theirs. What she said is patently untrue.

Specific to your experience what you say is true.
But you cannot say what she says is untrue if it's outside your experience.
And she's right. As people age, they become more careful and considered, in short, more conservative.
Conservative has little to do with party.


It's a Winston Churchill attributed quote.. Like others of it's ilk (*koff* Eleanor Roosevelt) it's more about the cleverness than the veracity.

As Algernon quothes in  Importance of beingEarnest .."It is perfectly phrased! and quite as true as any observation in civilised life should be"
 
2013-10-11 11:26:45 AM

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha


Hello there!
media.nj.com
Dont get it it?
2.bp.blogspot.com
Monthly Rasmussen Reports tracking of partisan trends found that in June 2012, 35.4% identified as Republicans, 34.0% as Democrats and 30.5% were unaffiliated. These numbers changed only slightly from the previous month.

I find these facts grim, not funny.  Then again my only religion is pessimism.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:11 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.


Republicanism is a religion, never doubt it. If it weren't Republicans wouldn't have voted for a Mormon.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:19 AM

mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: mrshowrules: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

1) I'm not a conservative, I have little use for the Republican party as a general rule, I just have even less use for progressives

2) It's sad when people actually start thinking that their side has principles when we are talking about D's and R's.

Fark Independent™
A vocally right-wing member of the news aggregation Web site fark.com who is now so embarrassed by the Bush administration that he claims to be an "independent" while taking every opportunity to bash members of the "democrat party." The term is typically accompanied by a trademark symbol.

/how principled politicians are is less important than who is farking over the country and who is working towards improving it.

I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.

You were a Romney supporter dude.  Embrace it.


No, I wasn't, but I will happily wait for you to find a post that says otherwise. Facts, how do they work?
 
2013-10-11 11:28:22 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.


It's not a gotcha trap.  It's a fact.  A very important fact that happens to be the reason why the GOP stance is so completely and absurdly wrong this time around.
 
2013-10-11 11:28:46 AM

orclover: y worry is that Democrats are putting all their money on Hillary to just beat the shiat out of the republicans.  Hillary who the republicans hate with a burning passion, they will all show up to vote against her no matter who the republicans run against her.  Presidential elections are not won by the left or right voters, they are won by the middle, when and if they decide to show up to vote.  Hillary may not motivate them to do so.  Also the republicans have been saving up ammo to use against the Clintons since the day Obama got elected.  The wise course of action is to make them waste it and force them to retarget a new opponent after the primary.  Hillary is far more useful as a distraction than a candidate.


They hate/hated Obama more and that wasn't worth a squirt of piss at election time.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:19 AM

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
plonk.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:54 AM

orclover: DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hello there!
[media.nj.com image 380x408]
Dont get it it?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 563x316]
Monthly Rasmussen Reports tracking of partisan trends found that in June 2012, 35.4% identified as Republicans, 34.0% as Democrats and 30.5% were unaffiliated. These numbers changed only slightly from the previous month.

I find these facts grim, not funny.  Then again my only religion is pessimism.


Funny thing about dog-whistles - if you use them too often, the dogs no longer respond. We can see it playing out right before our eyes.
 
2013-10-11 11:29:57 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Now that Woodward has gone over to the dark side?  Yes.
 
2013-10-11 11:30:06 AM

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: Of course, you were so anxious to spring your, "GOTCHA!" trap, that you didn't notice.

It's not a gotcha trap.  It's a fact.  A very important fact that happens to be the reason why the GOP stance is so completely and absurdly wrong this time around.


Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?
 
2013-10-11 11:32:20 AM

badhatharry: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."


And by internet standards, you sound like a troll.
 
2013-10-11 11:32:39 AM

Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.


He can be a martian and run as VP and it wouldn't matter.  Listening to his speech that he gave this morning made it pretty obvious, he has absolutely no intention of staying just a senator.
 
2013-10-11 11:33:12 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: You sound young, without children.
And you still don't understand that conservatism is not a political party trait, just like "lib" is not a political party trait. An American "liberal" is probably a right winger in Australia.
Plus, the political spectrum is wide regarding social views.
I'm probably a paleoconservative, as are man of my friends, though I lean farther left then most of them, who are mainly republicans.
I've never voted GOP and never will, but I have GOP friends who are very socially liberal -- the paleoconservatives.


LULZ. I don't know how old you are, but the way you handle paragraph structure I will assume you are poorly educated. Self awareness among the under informed is a rare treat. I will be sure to use you as an object lessen to my children on how using personal attacks doesn't make your argument stronger. As for the rest of your blabber, it's exactly what I said. People don't change, even if they change parties. Boomers are not fleeing liberals because they never were liberals. Hippies were a small portion of boomers.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:05 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.

That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
plonk.




I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?
 
2013-10-11 11:34:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?


I interpreted your response as being in support of what EWreckedSean was advocating.  If I misinterpreted that, my apologies.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:28 AM

lilbjorn: I_Am_Weasel: Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?

Now that Woodward has gone over to the dark side?  Yes.


Woodward is Washington courtier, a harlot to the powerful.
 
2013-10-11 11:34:44 AM

orclover: HotIgneous Intruder: Ted Cruz is quite the demagogue.

Wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.
He's running for president.

But theres no way in hell he can win right?
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Right?  That would be impossible!


To be fair:  W. wasn't even in the league of crazy that Cruz is.  He actually sounded rational; Cruz sounds nothing remotely close to that.
 
2013-10-11 11:35:39 AM

Trivia Jockey: HotIgneous Intruder: Well yes. No shiat.
You weren't arguing with me, right?

I interpreted your response as being in support of what EWreckedSean was advocating.  If I misinterpreted that, my apologies.


No offense taken. I should have stood back.
 
2013-10-11 11:39:59 AM

lockers: I will be sure to use you as an object lessen to my children on how using personal attacks doesn't make your argument stronger.


After you personally attack me. It's called an ad hominem and it's a refuge of the desperate.
Sorry you're so far out of your league here, little one.

lockers: As for the rest of your blabber, it's exactly what I said. People don't change, even if they change parties. Boomers are not fleeing liberals because they never were liberals. Hippies were a small portion of boomers.


You remind me of cameroncrazy.
I actually tried to open your eyes to other realities than you might perceive, but I see that's not going to work. Stay in your cave and teach your kids to live in caves too.
It's much safer that way.

plonk.
 
2013-10-11 11:42:27 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.


That has always been the Democrats' Achilles Heel. In 2008, they figured that there was no way California would vote in favor of Prop 8 and so they barely did any real campaigning, underestimating the fever of the anti gay marriage forces. (And all that Mormon money.) In 2009, they underestimated Scott Brown and lost Ted Kennedy's seat to a Republican. In 2010 they underestimated the Tea Party and decided to stay home on election day, letting the Tea Party rise to power, gerrymander districts, take over state governments, and take control of the House. In 2012, Obama underestimated Romney and lost the first debate. In 2013 they underestimated the influence of the NRA in the Colorado recall elections and, again, stayed home while two people in very blue districts got ousted by very right-leaning pro-gun politicians.

I could even point out that Hillary Clinton would be President now had she not underestimated Obama's ability during the 2008 primary. She had it all locked up but didn't go for the kill early in the race, figuring it was in the bag. That allowed Obama to pull ahead and be the nominee.

This is why anyone who sits out an election is an arrogant fool. This is why assuming that everyone will just fall in line with progressive thinking is foolish. The Tea Party might be driving this country to ruin, but they are motivated and they know how to get their message out. They are zealots motivated by a religious fervor, and those kinds of people are dangerous. The Tea Party succeeds when the rest of us get complacent.

That's why I will keep saying it: if you sit out the 2014 elections, you are endorsing the Tea Party, and I consider you just as bad for the country.
 
2013-10-11 11:43:24 AM

lockers: LULZ. I don't know how old you are, but the way you handle paragraph structure I will assume you are poorly educated.


LULZ.
Impressive.
But by all means, you pay attention to your paragraph structure here on fark.
Maybe you can put that on your resume and link to it.
But I doubt it will redeem your backward reasoning and absurdly stubborn resistance to reality and big words.
 
2013-10-11 11:43:46 AM

Darth_Lukecash: HotIgneous Intruder: Darth_Lukecash: He can't run. He wis not a naturalized American. He's a born Canadian, with Canadian n birth certificate and a Canadian parent, it's not like John McCain who was born in panama to Americans who were serving their country.

That true?
Got a reference?

My constitution says that a senator has to be 30 years old and a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election.

So he can't be a senator, either, even though he is?
I see.

Troll begone.
plonk.

I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?




Take it back, he has a Cuban parent. His mom was America, dad born in Cuba who became a citizen.

Still Cruz had Canadian citizenship and birth certificate. And only one naturalized parent ;)
 
2013-10-11 11:45:08 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I actually tried to open your eyes to other realities than you might perceive, but I see that's not going to work. Stay in your cave and teach your kids to live in caves too.


Open my eyes to what exactly? I lived through the demographic wash of political power that were the boomers. I witnessed it myself. I also am now witnessing the waning of that power. The boomers were far more conservative then their parents and their kids. In what way am I wrong about that?
 
2013-10-11 11:45:17 AM

bborchar: badhatharry: HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: urbangirl: And it's also a very common phenomenon that people tend to get more conservative as they get older. Newsflash: your generation is probably not going to be the exception so prepare yourself.

My grandparents were life long democrats. My parents were lifelong republicans. What you say is patently untrue.

Conservatism as an ideology has less to do with political party identification than you think.
Especially in this country.

By today's standards, JFK sounds like a teabagger. "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

And by internet standards, you sound like a troll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHdqWPB_S8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9uDlOA_bNA
 
2013-10-11 11:45:19 AM

soporific: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

That has always been the Democrats' Achilles Heel. In 2008, they figured that there was no way California would vote in favor of Prop 8 and so they barely did any real campaigning, underestimating the fever of the anti gay marriage forces. (And all that Mormon money.) In 2009, they underestimated Scott Brown and lost Ted Kennedy's seat to a Republican. In 2010 they underestimated the Tea Party and decided to stay home on election day, letting the Tea Party rise to power, gerrymander districts, take over state governments, and take control of the House. In 2012, Obama underestimated Romney and lost the first debate. In 2013 they underestimated the influence of the NRA in the Colorado recall elections and, again, stayed home while two people in very blue districts got ousted by very right-leaning pro-gun politicians.

I could even point out that Hillary Clinton would be President now had she not underestimated Obama's ability during the 2008 primary. She had it all locked up but didn't go for the kill early in the race, figuring it was in the bag. That allowed Obama to pull ahead and be the nominee.

This is why anyone who sits out an election is an arrogant fool. This is why assuming that everyone will just fall in line with progressive thinking is foolish. The Tea Party might be driving this country to ruin, but they are motivated and they know how to get their message out. They are zealots motivated by a religious fervor, and those kinds of people are dangerous. The Tea Party succeeds when the rest of us get complacent.

That's why I will keep saying it: if you sit out the 2014 elections, you are endorsing the Tea Party, and I consider you just as bad for the country.


Well done, sir/madam.
+1
 
2013-10-11 11:45:35 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Troll begone.
plonk.

I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?


I dont think he's a troll, just naive.  Believe me I ran into a lot of true believers who were exactly like this in the trenches of politics (libbiest of charities, various campaigns).  People who were plenty smart but couldn't wrap their brains around elections where logic had no bearing on the outcome.  Elections are farked up.  Whats right and what are facts often have no impact on the outcome.  Its ugly.  People underestimating the other side is how we got Obama elected the first time, thank god.  I was at one of his first speeches before anybody thought Barack had any chance against Clinton and I knew he was going to win, it was obvious.  He was just that good with a crowd.  I caught one of Ted's speeches this morning and it made me grimace, cuz that man knows how to play the game too.  Cruz doesnt need your vote to win, he just needs to get all of his voters to show up and for the other side to not take it seriously.  And he had them all wide wide awake.  When he is on TV spouting insanity, he's not talking to you.
 
2013-10-11 11:46:02 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: lockers: But by all means, you pay attention to your paragraph structure here on fark.
Maybe you can put that on your resume and link to it.
But I doubt it will redeem your backward reasoning and absurdly stubborn resistance to reality and big words.


Troll-la-la
 
2013-10-11 11:46:45 AM

EWreckedSean: Oct. 5-9, 1990


Oct 5-9, 1990
There was a riot by the Dems
Tell me where were you?
At home you were watching Spuds McKenzie
While I was participating in some governing
 
2013-10-11 11:49:09 AM

orclover: Darth_Lukecash: Troll begone.
plonk.

I thought the question was about him being President or did I misunderstand?

I dont think he's a troll, just naive.  Believe me I ran into a lot of true believers who were exactly like this in the trenches of politics (libbiest of charities, various campaigns).  People who were plenty smart but couldn't wrap their brains around elections where logic had no bearing on the outcome.  Elections are farked up.  Whats right and what are facts often have no impact on the outcome.  Its ugly.  People underestimating the other side is how we got Obama elected the first time, thank god.  I was at one of his first speeches before anybody thought Barack had any chance against Clinton and I knew he was going to win, it was obvious.  He was just that good with a crowd.  I caught one of Ted's speeches this morning and it made me grimace, cuz that man knows how to play the game too.  Cruz doesnt need your vote to win, he just needs to get all of his voters to show up and for the other side to not take it seriously.  And he had them all wide wide awake.  When he is on TV spouting insanity, he's not talking to you.




He called me a troll. I didn't call him a troll.

I'm pretty aware of how politics work.
 
2013-10-11 11:50:04 AM
Obama's holding a royal flush.  The GOP is holding two Pikachu's and a Charmander.  Naturally, they went all in.
 
2013-10-11 11:50:26 AM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.


This.

Only the ObamaConditioner your landlord installed doesn't put out cold air, it sprays sarin gas into your apartment, and then because you couldn't sign up for healthcare because the exchanges are the most brokenest websites evar, you die alone and broke in your apartment and the government sends your family a bill to dispose of your corpse. Thanks Obama.
 
2013-10-11 12:03:22 PM

EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990


that was a very brief closure over a three-day holiday weekend. it barely had any effect. and it was over a budget negotiation, NOT the extraconstitutional repeal of settled law.
 
2013-10-11 12:04:52 PM

FlashHarry: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

that was a very brief closure over a three-day holiday weekend. it barely had any effect. and it was over a budget negotiation, NOT the extraconstitutional repeal of settled law.


They're totally the same!
 
2013-10-11 12:11:42 PM

FlashHarry: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

that was a very brief closure over a three-day holiday weekend. it barely had any effect. and it was over a budget negotiation, NOT the extraconstitutional repeal of settled law.


This.

If this works, they could say, "well, we're not going to hold a budget vote until you, mister president, defunds Social Security."

That's what they're talking about when they say they want the president to put, "other things on the table."
 
2013-10-11 12:18:08 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: FlashHarry: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

that was a very brief closure over a three-day holiday weekend. it barely had any effect. and it was over a budget negotiation, NOT the extraconstitutional repeal of settled law.

This.

If this works, they could say, "well, we're not going to hold a budget vote until you, mister president, defunds Social Security."

That's what they're talking about when they say they want the president to put, "other things on the table."


I hope they do. First, it's a dumb issue - SS is funded by payroll taxes, not income taxes - it has no effect on the budget, debt or deficit. Second, if the GOP goes after SS, they'll lose support from one of their staunchest voting blocks, old folks.
 
2013-10-11 12:24:01 PM
Apparently, none of us are immune from Schadenfreude and butthurt.
 
2013-10-11 12:25:32 PM
If you threw Krauthammer and Obama into a pool, which one would deserve to be called BOB?
 
2013-10-11 12:27:14 PM

DarwiOdrade: if the GOP goes after SS, they'll lose support from one of their staunchest voting blocks, old folks.


The GOP will be very careful to exempt baby boomers from their own political mistakes as Paul Ryan made abundantly clear.
 
2013-10-11 12:35:53 PM
FTA: the president's real intent is to score a humiliating victory over the GOP.

Yes.  And that is how it should be.  The GOP has behaved both dishonorably and childishly.  Their humiliation is a needed lesson for future congresses (GOP, Dem or whatever).
 
2013-10-11 12:37:59 PM

lockers: DarwiOdrade: if the GOP goes after SS, they'll lose support from one of their staunchest voting blocks, old folks.

The GOP will be very careful to exempt baby boomers from their own political mistakes as Paul Ryan made abundantly clear.


Anyone that likes us is safe. If you don't vote for us in the next election we'll cut your SS because fark you.
 
2013-10-11 12:38:38 PM

mrshowrules: Shortly, you are going to see a race of GOP of politicians distancing themselves from Boehner and the Tea Party that is when it will truly be Christmas, Halloween and Easter all rolled up together.


That you think Boehner is a part of the Tea Party caucus displays your political acumen.

mrshowrules: You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.


Again with that "big brain" of yours. You don't even understand the meme and it's used by your side as a slam against conservative posters. Republicans are accurately stating the nature of the conflict, your side isn't. Your ignorance benefits your political ideology.
 
2013-10-11 12:44:31 PM

Mrbogey: Again with that "big brain" of yours. You don't even understand the meme and it's used by your side as a slam against conservative posters. Republicans are accurately stating the nature of the conflict, your side isn't. Your ignorance benefits your political ideology.


That's it, invert the reality, invert the blame.

The (R) republickers have nothing to offer in a "negotiation."
Nothing.
 
2013-10-11 12:48:01 PM

CaptainToast: lockers: DarwiOdrade: if the GOP goes after SS, they'll lose support from one of their staunchest voting blocks, old folks.

The GOP will be very careful to exempt baby boomers from their own political mistakes as Paul Ryan made abundantly clear.

Anyone that likes us is safe. If you don't vote for us in the next election we'll cut your SS because fark you.


While I applaud your spirit, they plan on farking over their own voters too. They will just spin it to sound like they are socking it to the libs(blah people).
 
2013-10-11 12:52:13 PM

badhatharry: Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.

Or like when you refuse to pay your rent when your landlord raises the rent because he put in a new air conditioner that doesn't work. Crazy.


Harry, you ignorant slut!

It like you not only refuse to pay rent, but you raze the entire structure because the landlord raised the rent after replacing the airconditioning you spend the last year BIATCHING about not working.  Oh, and you also agreed to pay the higher rent when you negotiated the budget last time your lease was renewed.

/ignorant
//slut
 
2013-10-11 12:56:19 PM

Mrbogey: mrshowrules: Shortly, you are going to see a race of GOP of politicians distancing themselves from Boehner and the Tea Party that is when it will truly be Christmas, Halloween and Easter all rolled up together.

That you think Boehner is a part of the Tea Party caucus displays your political acumen.

mrshowrules: You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

Again with that "big brain" of yours. You don't even understand the meme and it's used by your side as a slam against conservative posters. Republicans are accurately stating the nature of the conflict, your side isn't. Your ignorance benefits your political ideology.


Comedy gold!
 
2013-10-11 12:58:15 PM
It's like global warming made your air conditioner unnecessary because the sea levels rose and washed away your building and now you live in a FEMA camp and you get sick and die because you can't afford to go to a doc in the box.
 
2013-10-11 12:58:27 PM

Mrbogey: That you think Boehner is a part of the Tea Party caucus displays your political acumen.


He may not be a part of it, but he's certainly controlled by it.
 
2013-10-11 01:04:02 PM

Mentat: Obama's holding a royal flush.  The GOP is holding two Pikachu's and a Charmander.  Naturally, they went all in.


These are Texas Holdem rules so don't count them out.  The river could be a potato.
 
2013-10-11 01:04:40 PM

Skleenar: That guy is dumber that a bag of Kraut hammers.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 300x298]


Technically those are British hammers.

/Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
 
2013-10-11 01:09:19 PM

EWreckedSean: I'm a minarchist. It hasn't changed in years no matter how much you like to use your Fark Liberal meme's.


Oh, so you're an anarchist that feels he's able to 'rise above' the common rabble of the more violent members of the anarchist movement.

At least until society breaks down, then you'll be right there grabbing for everything you can get your hands on like a common criminal.  Just like that 'common rabble' that you believe yourself to be above.  You're funny.
 
2013-10-11 01:10:12 PM

Mrbogey: mrshowrules: Shortly, you are going to see a race of GOP of politicians distancing themselves from Boehner and the Tea Party that is when it will truly be Christmas, Halloween and Easter all rolled up together.

That you think Boehner is a part of the Tea Party caucus displays your political acumen.

mrshowrules: You know the GOP has truly failed when conservatives start trotting out the "both sides are bad" argument.

Again with that "big brain" of yours. You don't even understand the meme and it's used by your side as a slam against conservative posters.


That's what I was doing Einstein.

Republicans are accurately stating the nature of the conflict, your side isn't.  Your ignorance benefits your political ideology.
 You are correct.  I lack the level of ignorance required to support your party.
 
2013-10-11 01:11:51 PM
Has Charles Krauthammer EVER been right???

I mean, a lot a people listen to him,
but can you show me any one proven case where he was correct??

I can't recall.
Sure, I hear speculation and philosophies beforehand and during...but accurate after the fact??
 
2013-10-11 01:16:15 PM
Hey HotIgneous Intruder, Can I get plonked too? You seem to not care about many people's opinions, wrapping yourself in your own world of people you like, and to me that is the sure sign of an asshole.  If I promise to say fark you, will you plonk me?  Please, oh high and mighty arbiter of good taste and right-mindedness?  I assure you, I've been horrid in that I have opinions that are not yours.
 
2013-10-11 01:16:31 PM
That article was quite the combination of
img.fark.net
and
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-11 01:27:52 PM

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: DarwiOdrade: Ambivalence: He sure does use a lot of big words to, essentially, say something really stupid.

In other words, he's a conservative "intellectual"

Underestimate these people at your peril.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah *gasp* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Note the shut-down government and threatened default.
Paying attention?

This is them just getting started.
We're ripe for iconoclastic demagogues and look at al the sheep jumping on that train.

The thing speaks for itself.

Sure - whatever you say, precious. *pats head*


Wow.
A douchebag AND a troll.

plonk.
 
2013-10-11 01:30:05 PM

DarwiOdrade: HotIgneous Intruder: FlashHarry: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

that was a very brief closure over a three-day holiday weekend. it barely had any effect. and it was over a budget negotiation, NOT the extraconstitutional repeal of settled law.

This.

If this works, they could say, "well, we're not going to hold a budget vote until you, mister president, defunds Social Security."

That's what they're talking about when they say they want the president to put, "other things on the table."

I hope they do. First, it's a dumb issue - SS is funded by payroll taxes, not income taxes - it has no effect on the budget, debt or deficit. Second, if the GOP goes after SS, they'll lose support from one of their staunchest voting blocks, old folks.


That's not really true. By law any excess money from SS is invested into the Treasury, which then spends the money as if it was income. Intra-governmental debt is still debt, if you assume SS won't default that is.
 
2013-10-11 01:34:00 PM

Alphax: Oh.  Well, now we know Obama will not blink.


So he's not a Kenyan, then, he's a reptiloid?
 
2013-10-11 01:35:12 PM

plewis: Hey HotIgneous Intruder, Can I get plonked too? You seem to not care about many people's opinions, wrapping yourself in your own world of people you like, and to me that is the sure sign of an asshole.  If I promise to say fark you, will you plonk me?  Please, oh high and mighty arbiter of good taste and right-mindedness?  I assure you, I've been horrid in that I have opinions that are not yours.


I know, right? It's like a badge of honor to be ignored by someone like HII
 
2013-10-11 01:37:22 PM

jayhawk88: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

This is the most bizarre thing to me as well, and proof that no one in the GOP really care about anything beyond making it through their next election.


They've had pretty good luck with voter suppression and gerrymandering.  Maybe they figure all it will take is one more win and they can make it illegal for anyone but them to hold office.
 
2013-10-11 01:37:40 PM

badhatharry: Newsflash: Smart guy that doesn't have a farking clue.


Newsflash: A guy who dives into the pool without making sure it has water in it isn't a "smart guy"
 
2013-10-11 01:41:29 PM

Mrbogey: That you think Boehner is a part of the Tea Party caucus displays your political acumen.


He's not a Tea Partier, true...but the Tea Party has him in a political stranglehold, so the distinction may not be relevant.
 
2013-10-11 01:51:30 PM

Infernalist: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.


He should just drone strike GOP meetings.
 
2013-10-11 02:01:26 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Trivia Jockey: EWreckedSean: HotIgneous Intruder: EWreckedSean: I love how you guys act like this is the first time something like this has happened, and that only one side does it. It's cute.

Tell me when a democratic congress did this to a republican president.
I'll wait.


Oct. 5-9, 1990

What law were they demanding Bush repeal/defund?

"President Bush vowed to veto any CR that was not paired with a deficit reduction package, and did so when one reached his desk. The House failed to override his veto before a shutdown occurred. Congress then passed a continuing resolution with a deficit reduction package to end the shutdown."


So they were just fighting over money, in a law about money.  Nobodies entitlements were being challenged, no balance of power was threatened, the creditworthiness of the US was not put into question.  Yup.  Same thing.  Both sides are bad.  You are clownshoes.
 
2013-10-11 02:12:59 PM

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Ah, but you are forgetting that Democrats generally do not like to be hypocrites. If the Democrats play the same game against the Republicans, the Republicans (and all the press) will cry, "Hypocrisy!" And then, historically, the Democrats back down.

Of course, I don't think the Republicans really understand how much they have enraged the Democratic base - along with a number of independents. I can see the Democrats doing the same thing and getting away with it because Republicans are no longer seen as being on the same ultimate team - the American one.
 
2013-10-11 06:43:39 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: Their approval rating is around 27% nationwide, which is as low as it's ever been. Ever. In recorded history.

To be fair, "recorded history" in this case starts in the 1990s.  But it's hard to imagine any time in the past when the conservatives have been hated this much, and there appears to be no signs of them letting up on antagonizing voters in time to salvage the midterm elections.  Losing the House would be historic.


If they lose the House, it will be because they just weren't conservative enough.
 
2013-10-11 07:00:30 PM

MadHatter500: Infernalist: EWreckedSean: Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.

And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.

Maybe if they started acting like principled politicians, he wouldn't have so much of an opportunity to show the world how unprincipled they can be.

They tried to extort the President into compliance.  They tried to rewire how the political system works in this country and they did so by relying on the President being a kinder, more moral politician than they are.

He could literally order the DC police to arrest them for treasonous behavior and I'd stand up and cheer.  The GOP went too far this time.

He should just drone strike GOP meetings.

terrorist training camps.
 
2013-10-12 02:20:20 AM
Just like Krauthammer to dive in head first.
 
2013-10-12 01:33:12 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Imagine the government were a family on a budget. Then your big black neighbor named ObamaCare breaks in and rapes your dog. Now I'm supposed to pay taxes to fund gay Muslim marriages so my communist pen-pal can buy carbon credits? What about ACORN? Also, Reagan is the real President.


Thank you for being a glimmer of light in these dark times.
 
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