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2013-10-11 08:50:11 AM  
He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!
 
2013-10-11 08:52:55 AM  
Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?
 
2013-10-11 08:58:58 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


Since the greened WaPo above this one is from Eugene Robinson, not quite as bad.
 
2013-10-11 09:01:05 AM  

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


Unconditionally? No, the condition has already been met. He's just trying to force them to hold up their end of the bargain they already made.

And this is much bigger than Obama vs. GOP. Regardless of party, there is one thing ALL Presidents agree on: maintain Executive power. This is about THE Presidency, not HIS Presidency.
 
2013-10-11 09:01:49 AM  
it'd be better if his top half was paralyzed instead of his bottom half, amirite?
 
2013-10-11 09:02:20 AM  
He better not. The future of America depends on it.
 
2013-10-11 09:03:38 AM  

Headso: it'd be better if his top half was paralyzed instead of his bottom half, amirite?


....are you sure it hasn't? same thing coming out of his mouth for years. It's like his mind can't move
 
2013-10-11 09:03:40 AM  
The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.
 
2013-10-11 09:03:43 AM  
Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.
 
2013-10-11 09:04:42 AM  
Newsflash: Smart guy that doesn't have a farking clue.
 
2013-10-11 09:05:37 AM  
Oh.  Well, now we know Obama will not blink.
 
2013-10-11 09:05:49 AM  
See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.
 
2013-10-11 09:06:53 AM  
That guy is dumber that a bag of Kraut hammers.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 09:07:15 AM  
Oh Cabbage Hammer, you crack me up. A snip from another article:

"At the end of the day, you're fighting legislation that's already passed," said former South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Katon Dawson, describing the fight to defund the health care law as a lost cause.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:18 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Well, there's the whole 'you must be willing to destroy the nation' part.  Which won't stop them from using it.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:37 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


They know they're not getting the next two or three, and the Rapture's bound to happen somewhere in there so they might as well try to consolidate power where they can.
 
2013-10-11 09:07:55 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


They know that if the Democrats can't do the same because it would piss off their voters and lose them elections, only the Republicans can damage the country for partisan advantage and have their voters cheer them on as they get poorer and poorer.
 
2013-10-11 09:08:50 AM  
He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:01 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Maybe they know that they aren't ever going to win again.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:40 AM  
Charles Nazipounder, failed SCUBA diver.
 
2013-10-11 09:09:46 AM  

Diogenes: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

Insist they do their jobs?  INSANITY!


Even if, by demonic possession, Obama does blink - the CR still must pass the Senate.
 
2013-10-11 09:10:23 AM  

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people. People are accepting it. It's a sign that the end game is near.
 
2013-10-11 09:10:42 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Hopefully, CK's unblemished record of being wrong continues.


I'd love to see a Daily Show-style compilation of his "predictions."
 
2013-10-11 09:11:20 AM  
I guess we really won't know until the Congress actually sends a budget to the President. Until then we're only guessing.

These political soap operas sure underscore how little people know about how the government works. Why else would you blame Obama when Congress isn't doing it's job?
 
2013-10-11 09:12:12 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


Republicans won't be winning the white house for a very very Long time
 
2013-10-11 09:12:31 AM  

incendi: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

They know they're not getting the next two or three, and the Rapture's bound to happen somewhere in there so they might as well try to consolidate power where they can.


Yeah, if you can cause the end of the world before the next election cycle, it does reduce your need to worry about holding on to power.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:40 AM  

wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.


This is the most bizarre thing to me as well, and proof that no one in the GOP really care about anything beyond making it through their next election.
 
2013-10-11 09:13:45 AM  

Alphax: wood0366: See, the thing that befuddles me about this entire debacle is that they're hoping to eventually have the Presidency be a Republican.

All they're doing now is just setting the groundwork for whoever is in opposition to use the same tools against them. It's not like there's any specific "You must be a Republican to use these clauses" additions to law.

Well, there's the whole 'you must be willing to destroy the nation' part.  Which won't stop them from using it.


Y'know, I think that's how they're protecting these sorts of overt power plays; in order to use this very dangerous bit of legislative trickery, you must sacrifice your morals. It'd be akin to "If you want to repeal a law that is popular and constitutional, you must kill an entire bag of puppies."
 
2013-10-11 09:13:46 AM  
FTA: It's win-win.
Really, now?

A serious attack on the deficit - good.
The deficit's already decreasing, and would be decreasing even more rapidly if the Republicans wouldn't insist on throwing the whole goddamn craftsman tool set in the gears every chance they get.

Refiguring sequestration to restore some defense spending and some logic to discretionary spending - also good.
Restore some defense spending, but restore logic to discretionary spending - yeah, just go ahead and say you're for restoring defense and cutting entitlements more.

Forcing the president off Mount Olympus - priceless.
And here's the real goal. So really, it's a win-win-win, with all wins going to the TP, in a game where the stakes are the welfare of the world economy.

Yeah, go fark yourself, Krauthammer.
 
2013-10-11 09:14:26 AM  
When I want a well-reasoned moderate opinion, Charles Krauthammer

Nope, can't do it.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:23 AM  
Well look at that...the Eugene Robinson one got flipped.  Freeper Friday it is.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:44 AM  
We need a "Right-wing Loon on the Washington Post Op-Ed Page" Fark tag.
 
2013-10-11 09:15:49 AM  

AlgertMan: The Republicans are on the verge of doing more damage to this country than Al-Qeada could ever dream of.


The GDP still had net growth in 2001 and 2002.
We are looking at a minimum yearly adjustment  of -4% from a default, even if we prioritize bond payments. Krugman thinks it could even cause a mini-death spiral that could result in a -10% hit as tax revenues fall even further, requiring even more cuts.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/automatic-destabilizers/ ?_ r=0

"Standard estimates of the effects of cuts in government spending take into account the role of the federal government as an automatic stabilizer: the deficit rises as the economy shrinks, mainly because tax receipts go down but also because safety-net spending goes up. Typical estimates are that the federal deficit rises around 40 cents for every dollar decline in GDP:

But if the federal government is up against the debt ceiling, it will have to offset these revenue declines and automatic spending increases with further cuts. So the initial 6 percent decline in GDP would force a further 2.4 percent of GDP in cuts, leading to another round of GDP decline, and so on.

Take these effects into account, and the multiplier effect of an initial decline in government spending should be around 2.5, not 1.5. So we could be looking at a 10 percent decline in GDP, and a 5 point rise in unemployment, even if interest is paid in full."
 
2013-10-11 09:16:07 AM  
Is anyone else following Niall Ferguson's breakdown on HuffPo? We're in Day 3 now. I think Krugman broke his brain.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:07 AM  
He almost makes sense towards the end talking about how much of the budget is tied up in SS, Medicare and interest etc, etc...  he could have gone all the way and said that it doesn't makes sense to have historically low tax rates on wealthy Americans, who've seen their wealth explode in size since the US decided that supply side economics actually had a relationship to reality.

Instead he just drools over how lovely it would be to take the president down a notch.  Very strange.  It's almost like he wants to write something meaningful but he knows it won't pay the bills so he has to pen obviously disingenuous and factually incorrect drivel.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:22 AM  
D'oh!  It just got moved.

/please don't ban me
 
2013-10-11 09:16:52 AM  
Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.
 
2013-10-11 09:16:54 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: So we could be looking at a 10 percent decline in GDP, and a 5 point rise in unemployment, even if interest is paid in full."


LASER LIKE FOCUS ON JOBS
 
2013-10-11 09:17:51 AM  
Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:04 AM  
Obama will blink just like that pool bottom did, eh, Chuckles?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:06 AM  

Wellon Dowd: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.


You guys crack me up. Like this is some unprecedented move that BOTH parties haven't done 17 times in the last 30 years or so.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:16 AM  
He has refused to negotiate...

That'll happen when your only bargaining chip is doing your own job.
 
2013-10-11 09:18:26 AM  

badhatharry: Anarchists, arsonists, kidnappers, jihadists, terrorists, and now they are Al-Qaeda. This is kind of name calling should sound strange to people.


We got pretty used to it when we suggested that it would be a bad idea to invade Iraq.  Funny how what goes around comes around, n'est ce pas, princess?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:27 AM  

CPennypacker: Is anyone else following Niall Ferguson's breakdown on HuffPo? We're in Day 3 now. I think Krugman broke his brain.


More Posts by Niall Ferguson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/krugtron-the-invincible- p _b_4073956.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-housing-cri s is_b_4067580.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 2
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/paul-krugman-euro_b_4060 7 33.html">Krugtron the Invincible, Part 1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niall-ferguson/why-my-comparing-obama-t o _b_257573.html">Why My Comparing Obama to Felix the Cat Is Not Racist

lolwut?
 
2013-10-11 09:18:36 AM  

Trivia Jockey: Do these people really not see why "negotiation" isn't even relevant here?  It's like calling up your credit card company after maxing out the card, demanding that they double your limit, and then complaining that they "won't negotiate" when they say no.  And then you refuse to pay the card, go to work, and feed your kids.


Better yet, Yoho thinks doing so will actually help your credit rating.
 
2013-10-11 09:19:28 AM  

EWreckedSean: Wellon Dowd: He has refused to negotiate anything unless the Republicans fully fund the government and raise the debt ceiling - unconditionally.

"Put down the gun and we can talk" is such an unreasonable position.


gatherer.wizards.com
 
2013-10-11 09:19:34 AM  

Skleenar: That guy is dumber that a bag of Kraut hammers.

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Those look more like Polish Hammers...
 
2013-10-11 09:19:40 AM  

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


Ah, the old rubber and glue routine.  A classic!
 
2013-10-11 09:20:07 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Charles Krauthammer.

I'm sure this will be a well reasoned opinion piece.

Washington Post is just Fox News in print, isn't it?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-11 09:20:12 AM  

Mrbogey: Obama won't blink as long as he believes Republicans will be blamed. The damage done by the brinkmanship is a non-consideration for him.


And he will happily do anything he can to make it look worse for Republicans too, no matter whom it hurts in the short term. Which is what politicians, left or right, do. Principle walked out on all sides of government a long time ago.
 
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