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2013-10-10 09:49:28 PM
Bold prediction: this will be greenlit.
 
2013-10-10 11:32:06 PM
So why wasn't the wife arrested and the minor daughter taken into care?
 
2013-10-10 11:51:44 PM

feckingmorons: So why wasn't the wife arrested and the minor daughter taken into care?


Wondering that myself. If the wife was in on it she deserves to be charged, too. No word on how old the daughter is, though. Besides being described as "young".
 
2013-10-11 12:00:38 AM

fusillade762: feckingmorons: So why wasn't the wife arrested and the minor daughter taken into care?

Wondering that myself. If the wife was in on it she deserves to be charged, too. No word on how old the daughter is, though. Besides being described as "young".


It would seem likely that she is a victim of sexual abuse by the parents as well. There is probably more to this story than that which is printed. In Florida they don't identify the adults arrested for sexually abusing their children if it would identify a victim of child sexual abuse. I bet this guy is the mother's husband but not the father of the child.
 
2013-10-11 12:15:28 AM

feckingmorons: Florida


Oh, missed that somehow. Not sure the "Sick" tag should trump the "Florida" one.
 
2013-10-11 12:16:24 AM
DON'T BANG 14 YEAR OLDS IF YOU OVER THE AGE OF 16.

There. I solved the problem for every one of you out there. You can thank me by purchasing off my amazon wishlist.
 
2013-10-11 12:20:38 AM

hardinparamedic: DON'T BANG 14 YEAR OLDS IF YOU OVER THE AGE OF 16.

There. I solved the problem for every one of you out there. You can thank me by purchasing off my amazon wishlist.


I notice "Lolita" is on your list....
 
2013-10-11 12:22:59 AM
Why the sick tag? it was a nice family outing, a good bonding experience.
 
2013-10-11 12:23:36 AM
THE ONLY THING YOU SHOULD BANG 14 YEARS OLD WITH IS A BASEBALL BAT UNTIL THEY ARE 16.

There. I solved the problem for everyone one of you out there.  You can thank me later.
 
2013-10-11 12:24:52 AM

hardinparamedic: DON'T BANG 14 YEAR OLDS IF YOU OVER THE AGE OF 16.

There. I solved the problem for every one of you out there. You can thank me by purchasing off my amazon wishlist.


sucks to be you, anything under 18 is illegal period in florida
 
2013-10-11 12:26:50 AM

What is he thinking, some kind of a taboo? Geesh! I bet he also brought some cupcake outfit for the supposed girl, as well.


www.paradisegalleries.com

 
2013-10-11 12:28:26 AM
So yeah...this guy is creepy and wrong, but at 64, posting an ad looking for someone of 'any age' doesn't automatically imply wanting sex with a minor.  He's just a decade shy of the average lifespan, so any age could encompass a pretty broad range.  That the undercover cop approached him...well...it's sorta stinky.  But then again, he did make an effort to meet "her"
 
2013-10-11 12:35:47 AM

InteriorDesignNinja: Bold prediction: this will be greenlit.


Not without the FLORIDA tag it wont

/trumps EVERY tag, every time
//oh

fusillade762: feckingmorons: Florida

Oh, missed that somehow. Not sure the "Sick" tag should trump the "Florida" one.


Yeah, that
 
2013-10-11 12:37:21 AM

Misconduc: hardinparamedic: DON'T BANG 14 YEAR OLDS IF YOU OVER THE AGE OF 16.

There. I solved the problem for every one of you out there. You can thank me by purchasing off my amazon wishlist.

sucks to be you, anything under 18 is illegal period in florida


If there is an age difference of less than 4 years that is not always the case. (or maybe 3 years but I don't feel like looking it up, the Statutes are online)
 
2013-10-11 12:38:51 AM
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Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?
 
2013-10-11 12:40:10 AM
Y U NO FLORIDA???
 
2013-10-11 12:41:04 AM
I saw this story on TV and Nancy 'Sausage Nipple' Grace was interviewing a defense lawyer (his possibly).  He was pulling the bullshiat, 'He wasn't really talking to a 14 year old but rather a 40 year old police officer so not a crime derpy derp'.  I wondered for a minute how much that would actually hold up in court.  But then I remembered all the creepers on 'To Catch A Predator' getting tackled/tased every single episode then subsequently convicted and concluded this guy is toast.  What an asshole.

/feel bad for kid
 
2013-10-11 12:42:56 AM
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Was she wearing this?
 
2013-10-11 12:46:15 AM
"The wife and daughter were given a ride to the police department and during that ride [his wife] told detectives that the defendant and she were supposed to meet a 14-year-old girl for sex," the report said.

Dafuq?  o_O

You just stay classy there, Florida.
 
2013-10-11 12:46:51 AM
The what now??
 
2013-10-11 12:47:45 AM
filmdope.com
 
m00
2013-10-11 12:48:39 AM
In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.


How is this not entrapment?
 
2013-10-11 12:49:49 AM

cc_rider: "The wife and daughter were given a ride to the police department and during that ride [his wife] told detectives that the defendant and she were supposed to meet a 14-year-old girl for sex," the report said.



Meaning, we were going to meet the 14 year so she could watch the kid while I had sex with the wife... yeah, that's the story I'm going with until I see it's not working.
 
2013-10-11 12:59:07 AM
14 is legal to marry in KY if the parents agree.  People don't generally bring their wife and kid along if they think they're committing creepy sex crimes.  The dude's only mistake was choosing the wrong venue.
 
2013-10-11 12:59:33 AM
I wonder if undercover cops involved in these types of stings moonlight as  phone sex operators.
Taking the job home with you might add a little more income or be something to fall back on after retirement.
 
2013-10-11 01:08:42 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Why the sick tag? it was a nice family outing, a good bonding experience.


Sorta ties the family together.
 
2013-10-11 01:10:00 AM

InteriorDesignNinja: Bold prediction: this will be greenlit.


Better crap like then something from a beloved (Featured Partner).  Fark.
 
2013-10-11 01:10:45 AM
this!
 
2013-10-11 01:12:49 AM
Of course he brought his wife and daughter along. Sometimes you get bored of threesomes, and long for a foursome.
 
2013-10-11 01:15:55 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Why the sick tag? it was a nice family outing, a good bondage experience.


FTFY
 
2013-10-11 01:19:36 AM

m00: In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.

How is this not entrapment?


Entrapment is when you push drugs into someone's hand and then arrest them for it. (Or telling them to hold this bag, etc.) Approaching someone with an offer and seeing what they say is just a regular old sting. You're supposed to be an adult in full enough control of your faculties to refuse to commit a crime if given the chance, the idea being that if you will now, you will later.
 
2013-10-11 01:27:18 AM

m00: In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.

How is this not entrapment?


If he thought he was talking to a 14 year old and he initiated the contact it is not.
 
2013-10-11 01:29:28 AM
 
2013-10-11 01:30:16 AM

foxyshadis: m00: In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.

How is this not entrapment?

Entrapment is when you push drugs into someone's hand and then arrest them for it. (Or telling them to hold this bag, etc.) Approaching someone with an offer and seeing what they say is just a regular old sting. You're supposed to be an adult in full enough control of your faculties to refuse to commit a crime if given the chance, the idea being that if you will now, you will later.


I have to sort of disagree with that. Saying "Hey robbing that bank would be cool," to some guy in the street, and then talking him into help you (the cops) rob the bank is entrapment.

Putting drugs in someone's hand and arresting them is a felony.

However if you ask a guy who simply looks like a bank robber (the cop) if he wants to rob a bank with you, or if you ask a guy who looks like he is holding (the cop) for a dime bag that is not entrapment.
 
2013-10-11 01:34:14 AM

fusillade762: Wondering that myself. If the wife was in on it she deserves to be charged, too. No word on how old the daughter is, though. Besides being described as "young".


Maybe the wife was 16. It is Florida, after all.
 
2013-10-11 01:36:41 AM
 
2013-10-11 01:40:15 AM
 
2013-10-11 01:40:50 AM

feckingmorons: If there is an age difference of less than 4 years that is not always the case. (or maybe 3 years but I don't feel like looking it up, the Statutes are online)


Maximum age difference is 6 years (16-22). I know this because of reasons.
 
2013-10-11 01:48:57 AM

fusillade762: feckingmorons: Florida

Oh, missed that somehow. Not sure the "Sick" tag should trump the "Florida" one.


Fark seriously just needs to bite the bullet and add a Florida tab.
 
2013-10-11 01:49:25 AM
everyone on the internet is 14/f/cali
 
2013-10-11 02:08:12 AM

feckingmorons: I have to sort of disagree with that. Saying "Hey robbing that bank would be cool," to some guy in the street, and then talking him into help you (the cops) rob the bank is entrapment.

Putting drugs in someone's hand and arresting them is a felony.

However if you ask a guy who simply looks like a bank robber (the cop) if he wants to rob a bank with you, or if you ask a guy who looks like he is holding (the cop) for a dime bag that is not entrapment.


No, talking someone into committing a crime is the very definition of a sting, and that's the concept that's so hard for people to wrap their minds around. Entrapment is twisting someone's arm into committing a crime, anything from threats to blackmail to any other kind of coercion. It has to be of their own free will, which is why chat logs are so scrutinized in the actual trial (if it ever comes to that). Simply talking them into committing a crime is indicative of either a criminal mind, or such a weak will that they're ready and willing to commit a crime. Either way, the supreme court has declared that being talked into committing a crime is still a crime, even if it was a "dry run", though a slightly lessor crime than actually committing it.

I wonder if this "any age" request took place in a teen chat room, though.
 
2013-10-11 02:13:22 AM
In Florida, I guess the line is "stupid gets what stupid deserves".

/Although this is home of the Zimmerman, so maybe it's "everybody gets what stupid deserves"
 
2013-10-11 02:17:14 AM

feckingmorons: m00: In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.

How is this not entrapment?

If he thought he was talking to a 14 year old and he initiated the contact it is not.


Hanging up a sign isn't really intiating contact. It is entrapment.
We just don't care enough about child molester's rights to ensure they go free. fark this guy, I hope he spends the rest of his miserable life in prison. And what kind of mindfark was he putting on his wife and child that they would tamely go along with this?
 
2013-10-11 02:19:57 AM

feckingmorons: So why wasn't the wife arrested and the minor daughter taken into care?


I see the lack of appropriate tag has led you astray, my son.
 
2013-10-11 02:22:28 AM

foxyshadis: feckingmorons: I have to sort of disagree with that. Saying "Hey robbing that bank would be cool," to some guy in the street, and then talking him into help you (the cops) rob the bank is entrapment.

Putting drugs in someone's hand and arresting them is a felony.

However if you ask a guy who simply looks like a bank robber (the cop) if he wants to rob a bank with you, or if you ask a guy who looks like he is holding (the cop) for a dime bag that is not entrapment.

No, talking someone into committing a crime is the very definition of a sting, and that's the concept that's so hard for people to wrap their minds around. Entrapment is twisting someone's arm into committing a crime, anything from threats to blackmail to any other kind of coercion. It has to be of their own free will, which is why chat logs are so scrutinized in the actual trial (if it ever comes to that). Simply talking them into committing a crime is indicative of either a criminal mind, or such a weak will that they're ready and willing to commit a crime. Either way, the supreme court has declared that being talked into committing a crime is still a crime, even if it was a "dry run", though a slightly lessor crime than actually committing it.

I wonder if this "any age" request took place in a teen chat room, though.


No, entrapment is inducing someone to commit a crime when such person likely would not normally commit a crime. It doesn't require coercion. In this case the guy was trolling (in the fishing sense) for underaged girls, he was predisposed to commit this type of crime.
 
2013-10-11 02:30:05 AM

Nuclear Monk: So yeah...this guy is creepy and wrong, but at 64, posting an ad looking for someone of 'any age' doesn't automatically imply wanting sex with a minor. He's just a decade shy of the average lifespan, so any age could encompass a pretty broad range. That the undercover cop approached him...well...it's sorta stinky. But then again, he did make an effort to meet "her"



m00: In March, Oshman posted an ad online saying he "was looking for someone to add to his cozy family and that the age of the person did not matter."

An undercover officer responded, posing as a 14-year-old girl and asking about Oshman's request for an additional family member, according to the arrest report.

How is this not entrapment?



FTA- "When people discover we are lovers, and find out your age, there will certainly be a scandal," Oshman is accused of saying, according to the arrest report. "We need to make a plan to handle it OK ... I sincerely would love you to be in my life."

He knew how old she was and instead of saying "WTF? No! I meant age doesn't matter as long as you're an adult. I'm sorry you misunderstood. Do not contact me again" then having no further contact with her he kept talking and arranged to meet. He's going to PMITA prison Chris Matthews style.

Unfortunately, there are still cases of kids being lured in by pedos on the internet and I feel bad for them. Fortunately, as kids become more internet savvy they know how to recognize and avoid online predators.

Markoff_Cheney: everyone on the internet is 14/f/cali


The guys like this are becoming easier to catch for the opposite reason of the kids. Grandpa Cozy Family's lack of experience on the intertubes prevented him from knowing what every younger perv on it knows. The fact that there are no jailbait age girls on the internet looking to hook up. There are only cops pretending to be jailbait age girls looking to hook up.

If only he had hung out on 4Chan, Fark, or Reddit for a few months he would have known that. Given his need to fark kids however, he probably wouldn't have avoided jail for long anyway. Instead of trolling the internet he would have been spotted in his windowless free candy van parked outside the school playground and busted.

Speaking as a perv myself I'm glad my tastes lean the other direction (MILFs and GILFs). I can't imagine how terrible it must be to live with a sexual compulsion that can never be satisfied without breaking the law and damaging a child for life. I would hope that he will get the mental health treatment he needs but knowing the current state of things I doubt it. Rather than paying to fix him Florida will probably just let the inmates at the prison keep him from being a burden on the taxpayers for very long.

/Damn that was longer and more revealing than I thought it would be when I started
 
m00
2013-10-11 03:03:34 AM

illannoyin: The fact that there are no jailbait age girls on the internet looking to hook up.


...for free...

/one ticket please
 
2013-10-11 03:05:51 AM

feckingmorons: No, entrapment is inducing someone to commit a crime when such person likely would not normally commit a crime. It doesn't require coercion. In this case the guy was trolling (in the fishing sense) for underaged girls, he was predisposed to commit this type of crime.


He was looking to add another person to his family and said age didn't matter. As odd as that is, it's entirely possible he didn't have sex on his mind and it was something the police officer introduced to the situation in order to get an arrest.
 
2013-10-11 03:12:34 AM

illannoyin: The guys like this are becoming easier to catch for the opposite reason of the kids. Grandpa Cozy Family's lack of experience on the intertubes prevented him from knowing what every younger perv on it knows. The fact that there are no jailbait age girls on the internet looking to hook up. There are only cops pretending to be jailbait age girls looking to hook up.


This used to not be the case. I speak as an ex-13 year old who used to hang out on DALNet's #teen channel when I was in middle school and entering into high school. Hell, I was RPing on Yahoo Chat when I was 12.
 
2013-10-11 03:34:37 AM

J. Frank Parnell: feckingmorons: No, entrapment is inducing someone to commit a crime when such person likely would not normally commit a crime. It doesn't require coercion. In this case the guy was trolling (in the fishing sense) for underaged girls, he was predisposed to commit this type of crime.

He was looking to add another person to his family and said age didn't matter. As odd as that is, it's entirely possible he didn't have sex on his mind and it was something the police officer introduced to the situation in order to get an arrest.


More likely, he was covering his ass and only talking to the ones who admitted being the age he was interested in. Screening, if you will.

Misconduc: sucks to be you, anything under 18 is illegal period in florida


That honestly surprises me. While obviously I'm not saying it's a good idea, I remember back in even the mid 90s (basically the height of sex-ed, it seemed) that probably half of my friends were at least somewhat sexually active at 15/16, one or two even at 14. Age of consent in NY was 17 then. They were smart enough not to get knocked up, and it probably led to more drama for them overall, but it was going on... I read somewhere that it's less common now though.
 
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