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(BBC)   Austrian scientists find 19 men related to Oetzi the Iceman, triggering lawsuits about who is entitled to the spear, loincloth and bag of rocks   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 52
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2013-10-11 12:08:45 AM  
Women were not included in the study, as a different procedure would be required to match their genes.

Weird. I'm no gene scientist person, but I thought mitochondrial DNA tests were more commonly used in cases like this.
 
2013-10-11 01:36:53 AM  
OGG HAS WAITED LONG TIME IN PROBATE COURT FOR BAG OF ROCKS.
 
2013-10-11 02:34:16 AM  
With inflation, that bag of rocks is worth about 280,000 rocks.

/of course the lawyers will get 100,000 of those rocks
//and 743 loinclothes
 
2013-10-11 05:09:32 AM  
You know who else thought they were entitled to all the spears, loincloth and rocks they wanted?
 
2013-10-11 05:39:51 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You know who else thought they were entitled to all the spears, loincloth and rocks they wanted?


Thew guy who killed Oetzi
 
mhd
2013-10-11 06:21:06 AM  
If you've ever seen Tyrolean men, that doesn't really come as a surprise.
 
2013-10-11 06:24:17 AM  
i10.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-11 06:40:00 AM  
Come on, article. I want to know his probable eye color. Being told that it was published does not help me.
 
2013-10-11 06:42:56 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You know who else thought they were entitled to all the spears, loincloth and rocks they wanted?


Some other Austrian, perhaps?
 
2013-10-11 06:44:53 AM  
So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty, fairness, goodness or the other things we often strive for as humans. Did you pass on your genes? Did your offspring survive long enough to do the same?

That is ALL that is meant.

Remembered telling one guy who had 8 kids by 6 different women that he was 'successful' by Darwin's standards (If nothing else).

/ I was not one of those women
 
2013-10-11 06:46:27 AM  
news.bbcimg.co.uk


Get away from his dick you freaking pervs.
 
2013-10-11 06:52:18 AM  

syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty, fairness, goodness or the other things we often strive for as humans. Did you pass on your genes? Did your offspring survive long enough to do the same?

That is ALL that is meant.


Sure, for members of solitary species. But, we ain't. Success for us is ensuring that as many of us pass on our genes. Sometimes that means taking one for the team to ensure that others succeed. Neither you, nor your genes matter in the slightest.
 
2013-10-11 06:52:44 AM  

syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty, fairness, goodness or the other things we often strive for as humans. Did you pass on your genes? Did your offspring survive long enough to do the same?

That is ALL that is meant.


To be fair, "related to" could mean that his brother was successful, not him.
 
2013-10-11 06:54:14 AM  
I guess the lawsuits will be decided in Kangaroo Court.
 
2013-10-11 06:54:55 AM  
Atouk alounda Tala.
 
2013-10-11 06:55:26 AM  
Man, Kris Kristofferson has really let himself ...actually, he doesn't look all that bad for his age.
 
2013-10-11 06:56:29 AM  

Mister Peejay: To be fair, "related to" could mean that his brother was successful, not him.


Can they tell whether a mutation was acquired or first appeared in the carrier? If they can prove he was the first in his line to carry that mutation then their his loin leavin's.

/not a biology talking guy
 
2013-10-11 06:56:55 AM  
Today was a g'day for these scientists
 
2013-10-11 06:58:03 AM  

Guuberre: I guess the lawsuits will be decided in Kangaroo Court.


I think you misfired. Try the article one down on the main page maybe?
 
2013-10-11 07:00:20 AM  
here to help:
Can they tell whether a mutation was acquired or first appeared in the carrier? If they can prove he was the first in his line to carry that mutation then their his loin leavin's.

/not a biology talking guy


I think they'd need to see more of his specific ancestry to make that determination, all they can tell now is that his family extends down to those certain modern-day people.

/fairly sure I did see "loin leavin's" in a textbook once, though
 
2013-10-11 07:02:18 AM  

Albert911emt: Guuberre: I guess the lawsuits will be decided in Kangaroo Court.

I think you misfired. Try the article one down on the main page maybe?


Old Fark joke, "confusing" Austria and Australia.
 
2013-10-11 07:07:15 AM  

Mister Peejay: /fairly sure I did see "loin leavin's" in a textbook once, though


SCIENCE!!
 
2013-10-11 07:09:13 AM  

PunGent: Albert911emt: Guuberre: I guess the lawsuits will be decided in Kangaroo Court.

I think you misfired. Try the article one down on the main page maybe?

Old Fark joke, "confusing" Austria and Australia.


Oh I get that, but his comment about "kangaroo court" made me think he meant to post in article about the antisocial kangaroos.
 
2013-10-11 07:15:21 AM  
WTF kind of name is Oetzi? I'm gonna call him Bif Jerkey.

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-11 07:49:45 AM  

fusillade762: Women were not included in the study, as a different procedure would be required to match their genes.

Weird. I'm no gene scientist person, but I thought mitochondrial DNA tests were more commonly used in cases like this.


Actually, mtDNA is almost exclusively maternally-inherited. They're probably using Y-DNA.
 
2013-10-11 07:51:09 AM  

Ball Peen Hammer Laxative: WTF kind of name is Oetzi? I'm gonna call him Bif Jerkey.

[img.fark.net image 464x261]


That's a tough image to swallow.  We take kindly to salty remarks like that around here.
 
2013-10-11 07:51:25 AM  

Krymson Tyde: [i10.photobucket.com image 496x372]


came for this
 
2013-10-11 08:06:44 AM  

fusillade762: Women were not included in the study, as a different procedure would be required to match their genes.

Weird. I'm no gene scientist person, but I thought mitochondrial DNA tests were more commonly used in cases like this.


Matrilineal - they'd be able to see who was related to his mother, but they couldn't be certain if the common ancestor was his mother, grandmother, great grandmother, etc.
 
2013-10-11 08:18:01 AM  

syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty,



deskarati.com

No, no it does not.
 
2013-10-11 08:21:18 AM  
Interesting.  I wonder if modern Hutterites are also related - their ancestors originally came from Tyrol.
 
2013-10-11 08:23:32 AM  

Sybarite: syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty,


[deskarati.com image 200x267]

No, no it does not.


Did they see if there was a relationship to Kris Kristofferson?
 
2013-10-11 08:35:16 AM  
Did they also find the dirty red bandana?
 
2013-10-11 08:37:24 AM  
the interesting line in the article was for me the one with the blood donations. apparently they do not test just for diseases and compatibility. now they will analyses your DNA and save it for future reference. just in case. I am sure no one was asked about this.
 
2013-10-11 08:55:58 AM  
wrongsideoftheart.com


Now that's a bag of rocks...
 
2013-10-11 08:58:36 AM  

Sybarite: syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty,


[deskarati.com image 200x267]

No, no it does not.


Does success have much to do with being a tough bastard?

Unpublished and thus unconfirmed DNA analyses claim they revealed traces of blood from four other people on his gear: one from his knife, two from the same arrowhead, and a fourth from his coat. Interpretations of these findings were that Ötzi killed two people with the same arrow, and was able to retrieve it on both occasions, and the blood on his coat was from a wounded comrade he may have carried over his back
 
2013-10-11 09:10:46 AM  
www.biography.com

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2013-10-11 09:11:14 AM  

wildcardjack: Now that's a bag of rocks...


Clovis point knees etc...
 
2013-10-11 09:25:59 AM  

Gunther: Sybarite: syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty,


[deskarati.com image 200x267]

No, no it does not.

Does success have much to do with being a tough bastard?

Unpublished and thus unconfirmed DNA analyses claim they revealed traces of blood from four other people on his gear: one from his knife, two from the same arrowhead, and a fourth from his coat. Interpretations of these findings were that Ötzi killed two people with the same arrow, and was able to retrieve it on both occasions, and the blood on his coat was from a wounded comrade he may have carried over his back


needcoffee.cachefly.net

Another possible descendant?
 
2013-10-11 10:13:14 AM  
I've been to the Oetzi museum in Bolzano... really fascinating stuff (to me, anyway). But man, that is one ugly mofo to look at. Seriously.

/best hiking trip of my life, btw
//the Dolomites = pure awe
 
2013-10-11 10:24:56 AM  

Sybarite: syzygy whizz: So apparently Oetzi was a success, at least as far as Darwin was concerned...dude survived long enough to pass on his genes.

Did a paper on this once, and it was a hard realization...'success' has nothing to do with beauty,


[deskarati.com image 200x267]

No, no it does not.


During an Ice Age, 45 is the new 70, it seems.
 
2013-10-11 10:27:42 AM  

wildcardjack: [wrongsideoftheart.com image 850x1111]


Now that's a bag of rocks...


Back when hair mousse came from moose hair, and the Venus of Willendorf was a rock razor. Seriously, they should've told Raquel to let her pits and legs sprout for a couple of months.

/women who've never shaved aren't necessarily very hairy.
//why yes, that does mean I've slept with hippie chicks.
 
2013-10-11 10:29:14 AM  

Teknowaffle: wildcardjack: Now that's a bag of rocks...

Clovis point knees etc...


I dig archeological humour, too, dude. You can Tel.
 
2013-10-11 10:50:25 AM  

PunGent: Albert911emt: Guuberre: I guess the lawsuits will be decided in Kangaroo Court.

I think you misfired. Try the article one down on the main page maybe?

Old Fark joke, "confusing" Austria and Australia.


I read that as "Australian scientists," myself.

/hangs head in shame

//I can't quit you, FARK
 
2013-10-11 10:59:23 AM  
Most of us reading this are probably related to Ötzi somehow. He and I share a maternal ancestor around 10,000 years ago, certainly....he apparently was a member of the K1 mtDNA lineage (not further subtyped, as far as I know), and I'm a K2b...chances are high one (if not many) of your female ancestors was a K, if you're from Europe or the Middle East. Much higher if you're Ashkenazi. We're all cousins.

Unfortunately for Ötzi and his get, his y-DNA places him as a member of G, thought to be associated with the spread of neolithic farming into Europe, now most common amongst Caucasians...whereas I (and many of you, I'd wager) am R1b1a2, associated with Centum Indo-European languages and their spread to Europe, and thus the aforementioned G being most common among Caucasians (50%+), and somewhat rarer in modern Europeans (less than 10%).

Sorry, Ötzi. We had lactose tolerance, and your women were pretty.
 
2013-10-11 10:59:39 AM  
But did they figure out what he thought about government involvement in the economy?
 
2013-10-11 11:20:25 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Most of us reading this are probably related to Ötzi somehow. He and I share a maternal ancestor around 10,000 years ago, certainly....he apparently was a member of the K1 mtDNA lineage (not further subtyped, as far as I know), and I'm a K2b...chances are high one (if not many) of your female ancestors was a K, if you're from Europe or the Middle East. Much higher if you're Ashkenazi. We're all cousins.

Unfortunately for Ötzi and his get, his y-DNA places him as a member of G, thought to be associated with the spread of neolithic farming into Europe, now most common amongst Caucasians...whereas I (and many of you, I'd wager) am R1b1a2, associated with Centum Indo-European languages and their spread to Europe, and thus the aforementioned G being most common among Caucasians (50%+), and somewhat rarer in modern Europeans (less than 10%).

Sorry, Ötzi. We had lactose tolerance, and your women were pretty.


Haplotyping: So much more specific than plain ol' "race". I haven't been tested, but if I'm not in the Irish Type III cluster, I'll eat a coracle.
 
2013-10-11 11:20:39 AM  

RanDomino: But did they figure out what he thought about government involvement in the economy?


I'm positive he died because of an Obama-care death panel.
 
2013-10-11 11:36:02 AM  

Mabman: Interesting.  I wonder if modern Hutterites are also related - their ancestors originally came from Tyrol.


based on the artist's rendering, I'd say yes.  He looks like any number of "colony boys" that I knew from southeast South Dakota.
 
2013-10-11 11:45:50 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: //the Dolomites = pure awe


www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-10-11 11:47:29 AM  
I would put those rocks into a mutual fund.
 
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