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(PC Magazine)   "It doesn't actually cost that much for carriers to provide their customers with service while overseas. Roaming charges are a screw job," said no cellular provider ever. What's that? T-Mobile's CEO just said it?   (pcmag.com) divider line 37
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2013-10-10 05:59:13 PM  
didn't a cellular provider also go into that about the cost of texting?
 
2013-10-10 06:00:20 PM  
Imagine how cheap it would be if AT&T had bought T-Mobile.
 
2013-10-10 06:05:08 PM  

Obbi: didn't a cellular provider also go into that about the cost of texting?


texting rates will never come down, because the idea of "unlimited" has been sold to the masses.
 
2013-10-10 06:05:17 PM  
If only T-Mobile worked well at my house...

//not in the boonies by any stretch...
 
2013-10-10 06:07:05 PM  
Next someone from tickemaster talks about the "convience charge"
 
2013-10-10 06:07:43 PM  

mcreadyblue: Imagine how cheap it would be if AT&T had bought T-Mobile.


Came for this.

Leaving happy.
 
2013-10-10 06:08:01 PM  
And would it have been that hard to drop the list into excel to alpha sort it?  Isn't there an HTML tag that will do that for an ordered list or something?
 
2013-10-10 06:31:21 PM  

wingnut396: And would it have been that hard to drop the list into excel to alpha sort it?  Isn't there an HTML tag that will do that for an ordered list or something?


Maybe it's ALREADY sorted, but they didn't tell us what the sort key was.
 
2013-10-10 06:47:45 PM  

wingnut396: If only T-Mobile worked well at my house...

//not in the boonies by any stretch...


Same. I had to go to the driveway to male calls
 
2013-10-10 06:52:36 PM  
cool
(one funny roaming story)
I was driving to Dallas from Houston over the summer for a seminar.. Just north of Buffalo (there is a Buffalo in Texas) I received a text from T-Mobile welcoming me to the United States and be aware of any international roaming charges... I called the number attached to the text and got a very lovely person in Europe who couldn't quite get my name (which is Sara, I have no idea how she didn't get it, but I was called everything but Sara).. I called because I was afraid I was going to be charged roaming since they obviously didn't know where I really was... She told me then (in July) that T-Mobile was ditching roaming soon, and not to worry...
 
2013-10-10 06:56:55 PM  
I am outside of the contonental US right now. So I am really getting a kick.

No extra charge for data (up to my 4gb monthly limit). But if I make a voice call, it is $2 per minute.)

/3g data in the city areas, 1x on the beaches. FWP.
 
2013-10-10 06:57:38 PM  
I also can't type properly on a ccell phone :-P
 
2013-10-10 06:58:04 PM  
T Mobile is the same company that secretly changed my kids' phone from no data plan allowed to pay per use. Then charged me $50.

T Mobile is the same company that charges $5/month if you want the ability to set limits on a kids' phone. Even if you pay, you can only set up access for the idiotic time blocks they have chosen. Why can't I decide the phone shuts off at 9:30pm until 7am?

Overall, TMo is slightly less shiatty than the other providers, except when it comes to coverage. For coverage, TMo is far shiattier. Tmo certainly doesn't occupy high moral ground.
 
2013-10-10 06:59:12 PM  

Obbi: didn't a cellular provider also go into that about the cost of texting?


Cost? What cost? You ever wonder why an SMS is 140 characters?

SMS messages are encoded into the 'here-I-am' message your phone sends to the tower every couple of seconds. That particular message happens to have about 140 characters worth of space left in it.

Text messages cost almost literally nothing.
 
2013-10-10 07:02:43 PM  

robbiex0r: Obbi: didn't a cellular provider also go into that about the cost of texting?

texting rates will never come down, because the idea of "unlimited" has been sold to the masses.


yeah they definitely played the long game correctly...
 
2013-10-10 07:07:54 PM  

wingnut396: If only T-Mobile worked well at my house...

//not in the boonies by any stretch...


Get a phone that is compatible with WiFi calling.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile have weak reception inside my house, but only with T-Mobile can I actually make and receive calls.
 
2013-10-10 07:23:25 PM  
Just get a FreedomPop phone
 
2013-10-10 07:43:05 PM  

mcreadyblue: Imagine how cheap it would be if AT&T had bought T-Mobile.


Yep, EVERY TIME a company buys up its competitor prices ALWAYS go down.
 
2013-10-10 08:26:03 PM  
Maybe if every third commercial on TV wasn't for cell phone service, they wouldn't need 40% of their budget go into ads and they could reduce prices.
 
2013-10-10 09:55:29 PM  
Pretty good, might save me the time of buying local SIMs when I travel, though it doesn't cost that much to buy locally and if you're phone is unlocked.

I switched from ATT to T-Mobile, and like it so far. I paid $70/month at ATT and that rate didn't even include text messaging. For $60/month at T-Mobile I get talk/text/data. And since I'm mostly in the city, I get good reception.
 
2013-10-10 10:09:46 PM  
Charging a tethering fee to share my phone's data plan with my laptop is a screw job, too.
 
2013-10-10 10:14:44 PM  

Nemo's Brother: wingnut396: If only T-Mobile worked well at my house...

//not in the boonies by any stretch...

Same. I had to go to the driveway to male calls


Whatever floats your boat.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-10-10 11:08:39 PM  

uncoveror: Charging a tethering fee to share my phone's data plan with my laptop is a screw job, too.


I partly disagree.  Data on phones and mobiles is very predictable I would guess.  Their alleraction, caching servers and other technology to reduce total bandwidth would be optimized for that type of traffic.  Think of lolcats pics, youtube videos, streaming music/video.  Hook a laptop up and you would like see more VPN access that can't be cached or otherwise accelerated, so it costs them more to provide that data in a timely fashion.
 
2013-10-10 11:10:23 PM  
Hit post too soon...

The other side is that this is coming from cell companies, which I trust about as far as I trust Congress to tell me the truth.  So I assume they are lying on their total costs as they do with everything else, even if I think tethering does add to their total overhead.
 
2013-10-10 11:25:50 PM  
Cool? I travel maybe 4 times a year, I just buy a prepaid in the airport..
 
2013-10-10 11:55:44 PM  

robbiex0r: texting rates will never come down, because the idea of "unlimited" has been sold to the masses.


If you want reasonable costs, you just have to jump over to an MNVO.

When I was with Verizon, I had a 450 minute plan ($35/mo) with a 150MB data plan ($15/mo) and per-text pricing ($0/mo).  Text messages were 20¢ each.

Meanwhile, Page Plus has a basic plan that includes 250 minutes, 250 texts and 10MB of data ($12/mo).  Their next plan up includes 1200 minutes, 3000 texts and 500MB of data ($30/mo).  For both plans, text messages are 5¢ each.

Before they tanked, Talk for Good only charged 2¢ per text when you went over your allotment.


/received about 2-3 text spams per month when I switched to Verizon
//haven't received a single one since switching to a MNVO
 
2013-10-11 01:06:15 AM  

Dinjiin: robbiex0r: texting rates will never come down, because the idea of "unlimited" has been sold to the masses.

If you want reasonable costs, you just have to jump over to an MNVO.

When I was with Verizon, I had a 450 minute plan ($35/mo) with a 150MB data plan ($15/mo) and per-text pricing ($0/mo).  Text messages were 20¢ each.

Meanwhile, Page Plus has a basic plan that includes 250 minutes, 250 texts and 10MB of data ($12/mo).  Their next plan up includes 1200 minutes, 3000 texts and 500MB of data ($30/mo).  For both plans, text messages are 5¢ each.

Before they tanked, Talk for Good only charged 2¢ per text when you went over your allotment.


/received about 2-3 text spams per month when I switched to Verizon
//haven't received a single one since switching to a MNVO


https://www.airvoicewireless.com/PlansA.aspx

Have my wife's phone on it.  $40 for unlimited txt/voice/chat, and 1GB data (I think its 2GB now actually)  We don't steam Miley on the tubes, so 1GB is plenty.  The only downsides are for reason they don't handle their own payment system and its a complete farking pain in the ass if something goes wrong.  The other is that tech support is limited to day hours, but that has not been a huge issue yet.  Once its all working, its the ATT network and her Galaxy S4 Mini works fine great on it.    Hella lot cheaper than any ATT plan and since the phone is unlocked, I can tote it anywhere.
 
2013-10-11 01:06:44 AM  
I'm on tmobile's 30 dollar a month plan. 100 minutes, unlimited text, and 5gigs of 4g data. Works pretty well.
 
2013-10-11 01:31:27 AM  
My husband uses Straight Talk. 45$ per month unlimited everything. I recently saw a commercial advertising $40 a month unlimited everything. I don't have a cell and haven't for 3 years because we live in an area where there is no cell service at our home/withing a 3-5 mile radius of our home. He works in town 50ish miles away and of course, service is good there. If I get employed in town, then I'll probably get a straight talk phone again. But it makes no sense to get any phone when NO phone service works here where we live, so we have a landline.
 
2013-10-11 02:39:51 AM  

kelleygreen: My husband uses Straight Talk. 45$ per month unlimited everything.


One problem with the deeply discounted unlimited data plans is that they usually have a number of restrictions on how you use the data.  Most ban streaming music or video.  No tethering, mobile hotspots, VPN tunnels or peer-to-peer networks.  If you're caught, they can cancel your service and keep whatever remaining credit you have with them.

On the flip end, you have companies like Ting (Sprint MNVO) that could care less what you do with your data plan.  They encourage stuff like tethering and streaming.  But then, they only have metered data pricing, so they want you to use data.
 
2013-10-11 07:27:33 AM  

hervatski: I'm on tmobile's 30 dollar a month plan. 100 minutes, unlimited text, and 5gigs of 4g data. Works pretty well.


This plan is a like some magical myth.  Where does this exist?
 
2013-10-11 09:15:56 AM  

uncoveror: Charging a tethering fee to share my phone's data plan with my laptop is a screw job, too.


Any data plan that's not unlimited is a screw job.  2/4/6GB is a joke.

... will suck if Verizon ever goes back on their word with the grandfathered in unlimited data plans.
 
2013-10-11 10:37:14 AM  

InfrasonicTom: hervatski: I'm on tmobile's 30 dollar a month plan. 100 minutes, unlimited text, and 5gigs of 4g data. Works pretty well.

This plan is a like some magical myth.  Where does this exist?


It's a hidden thing - new online prepaid activations only. When you activate online, the option will be presented to you. If you switch to a different plan later (or start with a different plan), you can't go directly to the $30 plan; you have to activate a new SIM.

I'm on the $60 plan (unlimited talk and text, 2.5 gigs at high speed, 2.5 GB tethering) and rarely go beyond about 1.5 gigs in a month. I could probably get away with the $30 plan, but I didn't know about it at first. The $50 plan (unlimited talk/text and 500 MB data) isn't quite enough for me.

IIRC, if you go beyond 100 minutes of talk on the $30 plan, calls are 10 cents a minute, and you need to have a balance in your account. That's fine if you don't yack a lot.

After I picked up a newer phone with LTE, I unlocked the old phone and put in an H2O SIM (an AT&T MVNO) and put it on a pay-as-you-go plan, mostly to use out in the sticks where T-Mobile's data coverage is EDGE, GPRS, or nonexistent. In my experience, T-Mobile is wonderful in the Chicago area (and 5 bars of LTE at home, woohoo!), but out on the road I get islands of 4G coverage in a Swiss cheese of 2G.
 
2013-10-11 11:09:01 AM  

InfrasonicTom: hervatski: I'm on tmobile's 30 dollar a month plan. 100 minutes, unlimited text, and 5gigs of 4g data. Works pretty well.

This plan is a like some magical myth.  Where does this exist?


Supposedly at Walmart and online. You gotta buy the Sim card online and when you get it you sign up online, that's what I did.
 
2013-10-11 12:57:14 PM  

Fubegra: InfrasonicTom: hervatski: I'm on tmobile's 30 dollar a month plan. 100 minutes, unlimited text, and 5gigs of 4g data. Works pretty well.

This plan is a like some magical myth.  Where does this exist?

It's a hidden thing - new online prepaid activations only. When you activate online, the option will be presented to you. If you switch to a different plan later (or start with a different plan), you can't go directly to the $30 plan; you have to activate a new SIM.

I'm on the $60 plan (unlimited talk and text, 2.5 gigs at high speed, 2.5 GB tethering) and rarely go beyond about 1.5 gigs in a month. I could probably get away with the $30 plan, but I didn't know about it at first. The $50 plan (unlimited talk/text and 500 MB data) isn't quite enough for me.

IIRC, if you go beyond 100 minutes of talk on the $30 plan, calls are 10 cents a minute, and you need to have a balance in your account. That's fine if you don't yack a lot.

After I picked up a newer phone with LTE, I unlocked the old phone and put in an H2O SIM (an AT&T MVNO) and put it on a pay-as-you-go plan, mostly to use out in the sticks where T-Mobile's data coverage is EDGE, GPRS, or nonexistent. In my experience, T-Mobile is wonderful in the Chicago area (and 5 bars of LTE at home, woohoo!), but out on the road I get islands of 4G coverage in a Swiss cheese of 2G.


A buddy has their 70 dollar plan and tethers it till the cows come home.

I tether my 30 dollar plan all the time.

I don't talk a lot on the phone, so I never use the 100 minutes.
 
2013-10-11 02:31:31 PM  
motherfarking verizon HATES me.  Have a grandfathered in true unlimited data plan on my phone, unlimited texting, 700 minutes of voice.

I pushed 65 gig thru my phone last month.  My wife pushed close to 45.

Suck it, Verizon.  Suck it long, and suck it hard.
 
2013-10-11 09:31:50 PM  

divx88: ... will suck if Verizon ever goes back on their word with the grandfathered in unlimited data plans.


They already have. The only way you can keep your unlimited data with Verizon is if you pay full price (no subsidy) for your phone.
 
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