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2013-10-10 04:27:57 PM
Don't we want them to have catastrophic electrical failures? Maybe data failure, too?
 
2013-10-10 04:41:28 PM
Shouldn't be using that reverse engineered alien power source quite yet.
 
2013-10-10 05:03:20 PM
NSA data center? Hah! I think "complete personal data collection for Mormon re-baptisms" is more likely.
 
2013-10-10 05:26:16 PM
 
2013-10-10 05:31:15 PM
The upside is that none of us ever need to backup our computers anymore.
 
2013-10-10 05:36:54 PM
Actually, this makes sense. With Healthcare.gov mining their data to see who to conveniently display "system overloaded" messages to (risk management), that has to be a traffic load..
 
2013-10-10 05:46:29 PM
At least they tested and found the problems.  When three different commercial data centers I've hosted in had actual power losses as the tests, it's gone:
1. The UPS "blew up" when the power failed, so the servers died.
2. the second external power feed wasn't actually hooked up for months because it cost money to have it on even if no power was used, so the fancy power distribution units didn't have anything to switch over to, and the price of the diesel fuel they had stored in huge tanks had gone up so much that they had been "forced" to resell it for a profit and not get any more. But plan to when prices drop!
3. the one of three power phases that failed was supplying the UPS batteries was not the same phase whose failure told the diesel backup generators to start, that one stayed on. So the batteries ran down and the servers died.
 
2013-10-10 06:02:49 PM
I'm pretty sure they denied "catastrophic" electrical issues because they aren't having any. They are probably troubleshooting a few minor things, and filtered through the media a bit that comes out "catastrophic" on the other end.
 
2013-10-10 06:21:15 PM

SwiftFox: At least they tested and found the problems.  When three different commercial data centers I've hosted in had actual power losses as the tests, it's gone:
1. The UPS "blew up" when the power failed, so the servers died.
2. the second external power feed wasn't actually hooked up for months because it cost money to have it on even if no power was used, so the fancy power distribution units didn't have anything to switch over to, and the price of the diesel fuel they had stored in huge tanks had gone up so much that they had been "forced" to resell it for a profit and not get any more. But plan to when prices drop!
3. the one of three power phases that failed was supplying the UPS batteries was not the same phase whose failure told the diesel backup generators to start, that one stayed on. So the batteries ran down and the servers died.


Our UPS worked just fine.  When the power went out, the UPS kicked in and the day was saved.  Twenty minutes later everything shutdown because of overheating since the air condititioning didn't have any power.  No AC power because the city wouldn't grant a permit for a diesel generator.

/we moved our data center a few months ago
 
2013-10-10 07:03:22 PM
I was wondering what happened to this guy.
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2013-10-10 07:43:15 PM
I'm not sure I understand the "your data is safe" implication. Is subby suggesting that if the power infrastructure collapses, my phone records will be out hitchhiking on I-80?

That'd be a big twinkie.
 
2013-10-10 07:44:52 PM

LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure they denied "catastrophic" electrical issues because they aren't having any.


arc flashes are not good. ever. and frankly i trust the NSA as far as they trust me so when they say the arc flashes were containes to stuff that doesn't matter -- horseshiat.
 
2013-10-10 09:07:28 PM
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2013-10-10 09:16:09 PM

CigaretteSmokingMan: The upside is that none of us ever need to backup our computers anymore.


Not that any Christian backs their computer up.  There is no need.  Jesus will do it because Jesus saves.
 
2013-10-10 09:27:00 PM
Now witness the firepower of this  fully ARMED and  OPERATIONAL battle station!
 
2013-10-10 09:27:08 PM
Fail happens. And so does dark.

Battery overheated in data center UPS when simply charging. Building got evac'ed, but they made the operations staff stay on site.
At some point during a power upgrade, one of the breaker box anchor bolts got screwed into a powerline...Wasn't discovered until 2 years later doing another upgrade. It arced to ground when they went to add a breaker.
A manager was goofing around during a "old iron" move/install. He dropped a machine screw that fell perfectly into a 3 phase socket that should have been covered, but wasn't.
Something is *VERY* wrong when anything arcs in this environment. (and someone usually has to lie to some extent afterwards)
 
2013-10-10 10:25:43 PM
Arclight. I repeat. ARCLIGHT.
 
2013-10-10 10:36:55 PM
I thought they had to fill the place with concrete after the Dalek killed everybody.
 
2013-10-10 11:17:07 PM
My dad had something kind of like that happen at work. He was a switchman for Verizon. Well once a month they tested the generator. The power is moved thru buss bars. Not cables. Buss bars are big thick copper bars. The bars went up thru the roof then back down to the battery's. They where in a water tight enclosure. Well something happened and some water got in. He kicked n the generator. Everything was fine for about 30 seconds. The buss bars exploded. raining molten copper on to him .Pieces of roof. A line man 2 miles away heard the explosion. FD and PD came by thinking a bomb went off.
 
2013-10-10 11:39:06 PM

CigaretteSmokingMan: The upside is that none of us ever need to backup our computers anymore.


I had a hard drive crash but they refused to make me a copy of their backup. Denied all knowledge of having such.
 
2013-10-10 11:40:39 PM

LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure they denied "catastrophic" electrical issues because they aren't having any. They are probably troubleshooting a few minor things, and filtered through the media a bit that comes out "catastrophic" on the other end.




Whenever a spook is having "minor problems" it's historically a cover for a farking massive national crisis. Filtered through the CIAs front desk, Iran was a "minor problem".

Considering the nature of what the NSA is storing and the equipment its using, you'd think they'd make an effort for nothing less than perfection.
Stuff like this is not a good sign.

/I bet we'll be looking forward to a wiki leaks page of everything everyone has ever transmitted electronically.
/alongside their leak of everything stored at the insurance exchanges.
/I'm going back to sexting via carrier pigeons.
 
2013-10-11 01:14:26 AM

way south: LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure they denied "catastrophic" electrical issues because they aren't having any. They are probably troubleshooting a few minor things, and filtered through the media a bit that comes out "catastrophic" on the other end.



Whenever a spook is having "minor problems" it's historically a cover for a farking massive national crisis. Filtered through the CIAs front desk, Iran was a "minor problem".

Considering the nature of what the NSA is storing and the equipment its using, you'd think they'd make an effort for nothing less than perfection.
Stuff like this is not a good sign.

/I bet we'll be looking forward to a wiki leaks page of everything everyone has ever transmitted electronically.
/alongside their leak of everything stored at the insurance exchanges.
/I'm going back to sexting via carrier pigeons.


Can't trust them. Proven can-and-string linkup is the only way to go.
 
2013-10-11 02:04:15 AM

bestsportnascar: CigaretteSmokingMan: The upside is that none of us ever need to backup our computers anymore.

I had a hard drive crash but they refused to make me a copy of their backup. Denied all knowledge of having such.


Well, I guess they can't deny it any more.
 
2013-10-11 02:37:14 AM

highwayrun: way south: LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure they denied "catastrophic" electrical issues because they aren't having any. They are probably troubleshooting a few minor things, and filtered through the media a bit that comes out "catastrophic" on the other end.

Whenever a spook is having "minor problems" it's historically a cover for a farking massive national crisis. Filtered through the CIAs front desk, Iran was a "minor problem".

Considering the nature of what the NSA is storing and the equipment its using, you'd think they'd make an effort for nothing less than perfection.
Stuff like this is not a good sign.

/I bet we'll be looking forward to a wiki leaks page of everything everyone has ever transmitted electronically.
/alongside their leak of everything stored at the insurance exchanges.
/I'm going back to sexting via carrier pigeons.

Can't trust them. Proven can-and-string linkup is the only way to go.


Can and String? That's a incredibly lossy format to be using for something so sensuous. I have an old IBM with an old z fold printer to print out ASCII images of my turgid phallus, which is then hand delievered to the recipient via the Pony Express.
 
2013-10-11 03:08:23 AM
from the previous article, linked to in TFA, " the generators had failed several times and the cooling systems on the server floors had not yet been tested." Soo it's supposed to open like now and no one has tested the cooling systems on the server floors? Yeah, this has all the hallmarks of an epic clusterfark.
 
2013-10-11 06:42:31 AM

WhyteRaven74: from the previous article, linked to in TFA, " the generators had failed several times and the cooling systems on the server floors had not yet been tested." Soo it's supposed to open like now and no one has tested the cooling systems on the server floors? Yeah, this has all the hallmarks of an epic clusterfark.


Maybe it's a bit of passive-aggressiveness on the part of the people building it?  They know that its purpose is to store and analyze domestic communications, and are doing their best to foil it without losing the contract, because if they lose the contract they'll be all like "Hey, we're losing all our damn money, and Christmas is around the corner, and I ain't gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip! And my wife ain't gonna f... my wife ain't gonna make love to me if I got no money!".

It's just a theory.
 
2013-10-11 07:34:46 AM
If you believe that, they've got some excellent oceanfront property near the facility to sell you, on the cheap.
 
2013-10-11 07:51:58 AM
Should have used the Cloud.

Yay, Cloud.
 
2013-10-11 08:45:45 AM

dittybopper: WhyteRaven74: from the previous article, linked to in TFA, " the generators had failed several times and the cooling systems on the server floors had not yet been tested." Soo it's supposed to open like now and no one has tested the cooling systems on the server floors? Yeah, this has all the hallmarks of an epic clusterfark.

Maybe it's a bit of passive-aggressiveness on the part of the people building it?  They know that its purpose is to store and analyze domestic communications, and are doing their best to foil it without losing the contract, because if they lose the contract they'll be all like "Hey, we're losing all our damn money, and Christmas is around the corner, and I ain't gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip! And my wife ain't gonna f... my wife ain't gonna make love to me if I got no money!".

It's just a theory.


May not be far from the mark.
Almost every time we've tried to build a "secure" building its been riddled with all kinds of unusual devices from foreign spy agencies. Which I could only suspect happens if the construction crew is partially in on the deal.

"Electrical issues" could be their code for "this place has more bugs in it than Hillary Clinton's Vagina".

/The builders don't want to lose the contract.
/The Spooks don't want us to know they've been had.
/So up goes a cover story while they pick over the place, one cinder block at a time.
 
2013-10-11 11:56:58 AM
If you really wanted to kill a datacenter,  you cut their power:  whoops with a dump truck.

then you fail to have any process in place to get fuel delivered because you're boss is a turd.
 
2013-10-11 04:27:53 PM
Billions in tax money well spent.


you smucks are paying THEM to spy on you.


well done Freedom lovers!
 
2013-10-11 08:47:59 PM
Please, let the Air Force help them have a more complete catastrophic failure followed by 10,000 soldiers with those industrial shredders than can scrap a car into dust.

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