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(CBS Cleveland)   The Chinamen have been playing good this year, but I still have my money on the Jews to win the pennant   (cleveland.cbslocal.com) divider line 118
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2013-10-10 02:45:32 PM
Not the preferred nomenclature.
 
2013-10-10 02:57:08 PM
I've been assured by Dan Snyder and multiple white males on Fark that Native Americans LOVE the Redskins name.

It comes as a complete shock to find out the largest representative organization for Native Americans disagrees.
 
2013-10-10 03:33:32 PM
Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.
 
2013-10-10 03:51:16 PM

Cagey B: Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.


I lived in San Diego when they were using this logo:

www.toptenz.net

Pretty high on the embarrassing list...
 
2013-10-10 03:55:23 PM
Why would anyone call their team "The Jews"? Sure, Jewish kids made some pretty decent stand-outs back in the day but outside of the modern Israeli military, Jews aren't know for their fierce warriors.

The Indians logo is ridiculous though. They need a serious mascot logo like the Redskins or Vikings if they're going to use the name.
 
2013-10-10 03:58:16 PM

mediablitz: Cagey B: Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.

I lived in San Diego when they were using this logo:

[www.toptenz.net image 486x433]

Pretty high on the embarrassing list...


Why is that bad?  Padre is Spanish for priest, and that looks like a generic Franciscan Monk.  I'm not getting any bad racial connotations from it.
 
2013-10-10 04:13:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: mediablitz: Cagey B: Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.

I lived in San Diego when they were using this logo:

[www.toptenz.net image 486x433]

Pretty high on the embarrassing list...

Why is that bad?  Padre is Spanish for priest, and that looks like a generic Franciscan Monk.  I'm not getting any bad racial connotations from it.


Who said anything about racial? I was just commenting on how bad it was. Embarrassingly bad. Baseball playing monks. SURE....

Ah. Sorry. Jumped on with CageyB's post without noting more specifically. My bad.
 
2013-10-10 04:31:01 PM

mediablitz: Baseball playing monks.


What about soccer?
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-10 04:32:10 PM
Also, if these Native American tribes are interested in selling a San Francisco Chinamen hat, I'd totally buy like 10.
 
2013-10-10 04:40:14 PM

RexTalionis: Also, if these Native American tribes are interested in selling a San Francisco Chinamen hat, I'd totally buy like 10.


Comes in extra small only.

DA-Dum TISH
/self high five
 
2013-10-10 04:40:54 PM

mediablitz: Cagey B: Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.

I lived in San Diego when they were using this logo:



Pretty high on the embarrassing list...


I mean, who plays in sandals? And that dress? Awful. And that hair ...
 
2013-10-10 04:42:39 PM

Nadie_AZ: mediablitz: Cagey B: Chief Wahoo is the most embarassing logo in American sports, with the possible exception of the Jacksonville Jaguars and their loathesome practice of associating the noble jaguar with their football team.

I lived in San Diego when they were using this logo:

Pretty high on the embarrassing list...

I mean, who plays in sandals? And that dress? Awful. And that hair ...


He's going to get a sun burn.
 
2013-10-10 05:32:26 PM
I live in Indiana, are they going to ask us to change the name of the state?
 
db2
2013-10-10 05:32:28 PM
Somebody make one for the Milwaukee Honkeys.
 
2013-10-10 05:32:51 PM
RexTalionis: mediablitz: Baseball playing monks.
 
What about soccer?
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x563]



Ug.  They made the incredibly beautiful Zhao Wei look like crap...and bald.
 
2013-10-10 05:33:25 PM
Doesn't exposure to these groups embolden them? Kinda like in "Demolition Man", where people no longer touch?
 
2013-10-10 05:34:48 PM
Hell, as someone with a bit of Chinese blood in me, I'd happily wear an SF Chinaman hat.

I guess they play next to the Daley City Flips.
 
2013-10-10 05:35:14 PM
I always thought that Packers is mighty homophobic.
 
2013-10-10 05:36:47 PM

leevis: I live in Indiana, are they going to ask us to change the name of the state?


How are the two even remotely the same?

One is a state name that isn't really offensive the other is a sports team logo that sure as hell is.  One is pretty damn easy to change and will both increase the value of existing collectibles with the old logo and sell all kinds of new merchandise, while the other would be expensive as hell to change.
 
2013-10-10 05:37:08 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Congress_of_American_Indians

Their last achievement was 1952, I think they could give back a little more.
 
2013-10-10 05:37:45 PM
Atom and His Package
"If You Own the Washington Redskins You're a Cock

I like sports
There are some things I force myself to miss
like I never met an athlete I like and hockey in Texas
when it comes to native American nickname teams
Even within the context of sports it's awful and mean
and you'll go wah wah wah you're so PC
and i will say hey wait
my my my how have the table turns to be a farking prick is a desirable trait
While we're on the subject of changing team names there's no jazz in Utah
and few lakes in LA
just this once give me the benefit of the doubt
the bullets became the wizards to pilots get out
and you'll go wa wa wa you're so PC
and i will say hey wait
remind me again how it came to be
that being a stupid american is a desirable trait
wouldn't it be offensive if we cheered
"rah rah rah" we're the Carolina negroes with a beat box cheer and a big foam afro
the Minnesota Vikings became the New York kikes with dollar bills on their helmets
cause thats what they're like ya know
Atom, What about the Saints, Angels and the Padres too ain't that the same thing for Christians thats offending you?
When there's a jesus Christ mascot shooting crucifixes
they nailed to a cross dying to save the team
you'll be right, you'll be right
but until then
you're... not... right
so
what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians
what's your take on Washington redskins
what's your take on the Cleveland Indians
 
2013-10-10 05:37:59 PM

leevis: I live in Indiana, are they going to ask us to change the name of the state?


If the state flag of Indiana featured a grinning, cartoon stereotype caricature of an Indian on it, you might be somewhat closer to an actual analogy instead of whatever that was.

Of course, since it's Indiana, for all I know they might actually have something like that.
 
2013-10-10 05:39:54 PM

MBooda: I always thought that Packers is mighty homophobic.


Photoshop a new logo for the Greenbay Packers.....
 
2013-10-10 05:40:14 PM
Let's just call them the White People or the Whiteys or the Crackers - since white people appear to be the only race that doesn't care what we're called.
 
2013-10-10 05:40:30 PM
New York?
i1.ytimg.com
Oh you mean Jew York?
 
2013-10-10 05:41:53 PM

leevis: I live in Indiana, are they going to ask us to change the name of the state?


Oklahoma means "Red People." I think they should change it.
 
2013-10-10 05:43:03 PM

RexTalionis: Also, if these Native American tribes are interested in selling a San Francisco Chinamen hat, I'd totally buy like 10.


I'd buy one of each.

/gotta catch 'em all
//and then exterminate them
 
2013-10-10 05:43:27 PM

RexTalionis: Also, if these Native American tribes are interested in selling a San Francisco Chinamen hat, I'd totally buy like 10.


pencil me in for 5.
 
2013-10-10 05:44:09 PM

Mrbogey: Why would anyone call their team "The Jews"? Sure, Jewish kids made some pretty decent stand-outs back in the day but outside of the modern Israeli military, Jews aren't know for their fierce warriors.

The Indians logo is ridiculous though. They need a serious mascot logo like the Redskins or Vikings if they're going to use the name.


Be glad they didn't go with "The Jewskins."

/popular with the Nazi crowd
//yes, I just godwinned this thread
///interest you in a lampshade?
 
2013-10-10 05:45:33 PM
Also:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-10 05:47:48 PM
They should totally change the name to the Butthurt Savages
 
2013-10-10 05:50:01 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They should totally change the name to the Butthurt Savages


ok...i lol'ed
 
2013-10-10 05:51:32 PM
There are soccer teams in Europe nicknamed the Jews.  Tottenham Hotspur and AFC Ajax come to mind.
 
2013-10-10 05:52:36 PM
You mean like the Minnesota Vikings?  Yeah the honky, cracker, red neck Swedes in Minnesota are always up in arms about that.  How about the San Diego Padres?  Every mackerel snapper in California is mad as hell about that.  I guess if people are that ashamed of being Indians they can join some other group and go around telling people they're Filipinos or something but if it is a point of pride like the Raiders or the Vikings or the Padres or the Buccaneers or the Knickerbockers or the Buckeyes or the Hoosiers or the Pirates or the dozen or so teams named the miners across the country or any other team named after a group of people then they should shut the hell up.
 
2013-10-10 05:53:15 PM

Egoy3k: leevis: I live in Indiana, are they going to ask us to change the name of the state?

How are the two even remotely the same?

One is a state name that isn't really offensive the other is a sports team logo that sure as hell is.  One is pretty damn easy to change and will both increase the value of existing collectibles with the old logo and sell all kinds of new merchandise, while the other would be expensive as hell to change.


Indiana means "Land of the Indians". More than a few of the PC police have gotten butthurt by people using the word Indian instead of Native American.
 
2013-10-10 05:54:17 PM
I'm surprised more women aren't offended by Alabama's Crimson Tide.  It's not very PC to point out that time of the month for a woman.  And their cheer "Roll Tide" is clearly a reference to tampon insertion.

And the Cleveland Browns?  Just because they play like #2 doesn't mean you have to name them after it.
 
2013-10-10 05:55:16 PM

garron: Let's just call them the White People or the Whiteys or the Crackers - since white people appear to be the only race that doesn't care what we're called.


Because we've been the ones dishing out the insulting nicknames from a position of unquestioned authority for five hundred or so years. Makes it hard to truly understand what it's like to be on the receiving end. Though if you're a woman, or a non-WASP, or fat, you can at least get a glimmering of a clue.
 
2013-10-10 05:55:47 PM
I'd totally root for either the Chinamen or the Jews.

But not the Irish!
 
2013-10-10 05:56:20 PM
I think that they are actually on to something. Have the local sports team names reflect the local stereotypes.

Alabama Rednecks
Alaska Blue Nipples
Arizona Cacti
Arkansas White Trash
California Tree Huggers
Colorado Weed
Connecticut Insurance Adjusters
Delaware River Crossers
Florida Mugshots
Georgia
Hawaii Pineapples
Idaho Spuds
Illinois Mob
...
 
2013-10-10 05:59:36 PM
Hey!  That's Ragin' Exiled Francophone Acadian-Americans to you, buster.
www.louisiana.edu
 
2013-10-10 06:02:03 PM

blinkybluegnome: I'd totally root for either the Chinamen or the Jews.

But not the Irish!


Damn you...
 
2013-10-10 06:02:08 PM
Good God, everyone is so upset about racism.

/yes, that's how the sentence ends.
 
2013-10-10 06:02:29 PM
That poster is a good 6 - 8 years old...not sure why it's a big deal now?
 
2013-10-10 06:03:19 PM

OscarTamerz: You mean like the Minnesota Vikings?  Yeah the honky, cracker, red neck Swedes in Minnesota are always up in arms about that.  How about the San Diego Padres?  Every mackerel snapper in California is mad as hell about that.  I guess if people are that ashamed of being Indians they can join some other group and go around telling people they're Filipinos or something but if it is a point of pride like the Raiders or the Vikings or the Padres or the Buccaneers or the Knickerbockers or the Buckeyes or the Hoosiers or the Pirates or the dozen or so teams named the miners across the country or any other team named after a group of people then they should shut the hell up.



"Vikings" isn't a pejorative term for vikings, where "redskins" actually is a pejoritive term for native Americans. That's where your analogies fall short.
 
2013-10-10 06:03:58 PM

mediablitz: I was just commenting on how bad it was. Embarrassingly bad.


a perfect reflection of the team, though, wouldn't you say?
 
2013-10-10 06:06:50 PM
The White Plains tinydicks
 
2013-10-10 06:09:14 PM

Mrbogey: Why would anyone call their team "The Jews"? Sure, Jewish kids made some pretty decent stand-outs back in the day but outside of the modern Israeli military, Jews aren't know for their fierce warriors.


While it's not the exact same situation, in English soccer in the 1970s, people accused the fans of Tottenham Hotspur of being a bunch of Jews. They'd use more offensive terms, and occasionally hiss to mimic the sound of a gas chamber.

Spurs fans embraced the imagery, started bringing Israeli flags to games, and referring themselves as a "Yid Army". The use of the term "Yid" has come under fire in recent years, though.
 
2013-10-10 06:15:33 PM

mediablitz: I've been assured by Dan Snyder and multiple white males on Fark that Native Americans LOVE the Redskins name.

It comes as a complete shock to find out the largest representative organization for Native Americans disagrees.


How Many Native Americans Think 'Redskins' is a Slur?

"Marginalized communities are too often treated monolithically," said Carter Meland, a professor of American Indian Studies at the University of Minnesota"

"Stories on the mascot issue always end up exploring whether it is right or it is wrong, respectful or disrespectful," said Meland, an Ojibwe Indian.

"Those communities vary widely."

Tommy Yazzie, superintendent of the Red Mesa school district on the Navajo Nation reservation, grew up when Navajo children were forced into boarding schools to disconnect them from their culture. Some were punished for speaking their native language. Today, he sees environmental issues as the biggest threat to his people.

The high school football team in his district is the Red Mesa Redskins.

"We just don't think that (name) is an issue," Yazzie said. "There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on."

Neither does Eunice Davidson, a Dakota Sioux who lives on the Spirit Lake reservation in North Dakota. "It more or less shows that they approve of our history," she said.

North Dakota was the scene of a similar controversy over the state university's Fighting Sioux nickname. It was decisively scrapped in a 2012 statewide vote - after the Spirit Lake reservation voted in 2010 to keep it.
 
2013-10-10 06:18:04 PM

Gonz: Mrbogey: Why would anyone call their team "The Jews"? Sure, Jewish kids made some pretty decent stand-outs back in the day but outside of the modern Israeli military, Jews aren't know for their fierce warriors.

While it's not the exact same situation, in English soccer in the 1970s, people accused the fans of Tottenham Hotspur of being a bunch of Jews. They'd use more offensive terms, and occasionally hiss to mimic the sound of a gas chamber.

Spurs fans embraced the imagery, started bringing Israeli flags to games, and referring themselves as a "Yid Army". The use of the term "Yid" has come under fire in recent years, though.


Wus macht a yid?
 
2013-10-10 06:18:11 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Also:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x269]


Yeah, that's what I came here to post.  Good call.
 
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