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2013-10-10 01:31:25 PM
List fails without videos.
 
2013-10-10 01:35:43 PM

Mr. Richard Smoker: List fails without videos.


So... you want videos of missing videos..?
 
2013-10-10 01:39:42 PM
Ernie Kovacs.  (For those who don't know who he is, shame on you).  So many of his 1950s shows were treated the same way as the old BBC treated theirs - erase or dump them to save space.

There was also the Dumont Television Network, one of the first networks alongside NBC & CBS back in the Golden age.  Almost every single show they made over their existence was destroyed in the 70s.  Ernie Kovacs had a show on the Dumont Network, but his and many other series were dumped into a bay.
 
2013-10-10 01:53:08 PM
I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.

On the other hand, I'm glad the left them out, because Cracked has limits on how many items your list can share with someone else's.
 
2013-10-10 01:57:05 PM
Boy, was that a snarky article.  I also like how the BBC is saying "Hey, if you illegally recorded anything we erased, could you give us a copy?  We'll give you immunity!"
 
2013-10-10 01:59:08 PM
Press conference has been held, but there's been a media blackout until midnight (UK time).  According to the Twitterverse, it was announced that all 6 Episodes of "Enemy of the World" and 5 episodes of "The Web of Fear" (missing episode 3) have been found and restored.  They ended the press conference with "More on the way..."
 
2013-10-10 02:04:36 PM

CarnySaur: Boy, was that a snarky article.  I also like how the BBC is saying "Hey, if you illegally recorded anything we erased, could you give us a copy?  We'll give you immunity!"


They'll also give you a fullsize daleck.

But yeah, it's been ages since I've seen anyone trying harder to be edgy than the second half of that article.
 
2013-10-10 02:13:47 PM
NBC seems intent on pretending "The Tonight Show With Conan O'Brien" never happened. It's damned near impossible to find any footage.
 
2013-10-10 02:32:39 PM

Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.


The Brains stated in their book that the first season (the KTMA episodes) would never be released for 2 reasons: A - they were embarrassingly poor quality (in terms of production and writing) and B - they don't have the legal rights to release them in the first place.
 
2013-10-10 02:37:29 PM
Also missing from the list - about 6 hours of Live Aid.
 
2013-10-10 03:11:15 PM

Lodger: Ernie Kovacs.  (For those who don't know who he is, shame on you).  So many of his 1950s shows were treated the same way as the old BBC treated theirs - erase or dump them to save space.

There was also the Dumont Television Network, one of the first networks alongside NBC & CBS back in the Golden age.  Almost every single show they made over their existence was destroyed in the 70s.  Ernie Kovacs had a show on the Dumont Network, but his and many other series were dumped into a bay.


By ABC, no less.

They wanted the warehouse space for their own purposes, so they loaded the DuMont library up and dumped it in the East River.

And, according to wiki (grain of salt time), the destruction of the DuMont library began in 1958 when kinescopes were destroyed for their silver content.
 
2013-10-10 03:11:19 PM
Did they find the footage of Candle Cove?
 
2013-10-10 03:17:47 PM
great story a while ago on boingboing how Groucho Marx's Grand Son saved the old You Bet Your Life shows
 
2013-10-10 03:18:01 PM
A lot of stuff from the 1950's is missing, also, because TV shows were either live or recorded to steel magnetic media that went bad in a hurry. The reason we have I Love Lucy is that Desilu Studios insisted on doing everything to film.
 
2013-10-10 03:19:03 PM

LeoffDaGrate: Press conference has been held, but there's been a media blackout until midnight (UK time).  According to the Twitterverse, it was announced that all 6 Episodes of "Enemy of the World" and 5 episodes of "The Web of Fear" (missing episode 3) have been found and restored.  They ended the press conference with "More on the way..."


Yeah.  My understanding is that they do actually have episode 3 of Web of Fear but it needs more time.  They also have Marco Polo.
 
2013-10-10 03:20:30 PM

puckrock2000: Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.

The Brains stated in their book that the first season (the KTMA episodes) would never be released for 2 reasons: A - they were embarrassingly poor quality (in terms of production and writing) and B - they don't have the legal rights to release them in the first place.


Yeah, this.  They're not missing.
 
2013-10-10 03:21:39 PM

wildcardjack: A lot of stuff from the 1950's is missing, also, because TV shows were either live or recorded to steel magnetic media that went bad in a hurry. The reason we have I Love Lucy is that Desilu Studios insisted on doing everything to film.


And for that, Desi Arnaz basically bullshiatted the network and sponsor into thinking he knew what he was doing when he said "We'll record it live to film in front of an audience!". It hadn't really been done before, lighting had to be devised, a studio renovated for the the new three camera set-up and to accommodate an audience, and if the sponsor (Philip Morris) didn't like what they saw, they were going to make Lucy and Desi do the show live for the east coast, with kinescopes for the west coast, or move to LA and do the show live.
 
2013-10-10 03:23:40 PM

puckrock2000: Also missing from the list - about 6 hours of Live Aid.

was it the bit where bob geldolf started swearing?

 
2013-10-10 03:24:00 PM

CarnySaur: Boy, was that a snarky article.


Yes it was. The tabloid press in Britain hate the BBC with a firey burning passion that makes Fox News hate on CNN seem like a polite disagrement. The BBC is the competition that costs them massive profits so News Corp and others put the boot in when they can, when they are not hacking peoples phones, bribing police officers etc etc
 
2013-10-10 03:30:29 PM
Old radio show from South Africa: Springbok Radio - No Place to Hide .. With Mark Saxon and Serge Grumulko and his trusty pistol (?) petruska.

It was similar to X-Files
 
2013-10-10 03:41:25 PM

cheer: puckrock2000: Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.

The Brains stated in their book that the first season (the KTMA episodes) would never be released for 2 reasons: A - they were embarrassingly poor quality (in terms of production and writing) and B - they don't have the legal rights to release them in the first place.

Yeah, this.  They're not missing.


For purposes of my article, I was just going with anything that the average person can't see, even via piracy.

That said, it's good to know what the Brains said in their book. The only thing I've had to go on was an interview with Mallon where he said "Because of the age of the tapes and the format, though, we need to find a facility to help us make the Quicktime files. 3/4" machines regularly ate the tapes when the format was new. I would hate to have that happen now."

Since Cracked doesn't accept book sources, I'm just going to have to keep using that quote and just note that they may be lying because they don't want everyone to know how bad the KTMA season is.
 
2013-10-10 03:41:33 PM

cheer: puckrock2000: Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.

The Brains stated in their book that the first season (the KTMA episodes) would never be released for 2 reasons: A - they were embarrassingly poor quality (in terms of production and writing) and B - they don't have the legal rights to release them in the first place.

Yeah, this.  They're not missing.


I've got all but the first three episodes.  I have yet to see those anywhere.  I know none of the KTMA year will be officially released, but most of it has turned up over the years.
 
2013-10-10 03:42:59 PM

NeoCortex42: cheer: puckrock2000: Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.

List fails hard without The Tonight Show, A for Andromeda, The Quartermass Experiment, the earliest episodes of MST3K, the UK version of Fraggle Rock, and the DuMont Network.

The Brains stated in their book that the first season (the KTMA episodes) would never be released for 2 reasons: A - they were embarrassingly poor quality (in terms of production and writing) and B - they don't have the legal rights to release them in the first place.

Yeah, this.  They're not missing.

I've got all but the first three episodes.  I have yet to see those anywhere.  I know none of the KTMA year will be officially released, but most of it has turned up over the years.


Yeah, tape traders have been circulating everything but the first 3 episodes of the KTMA era for years. Those are the only ones no one seemed to record during the original broadcast.
 
2013-10-10 03:49:38 PM

Fireproof: That said, it's good to know what the Brains said in their book. The only thing I've had to go on was an interview with Mallon where he said "Because of the age of the tapes and the format, though, we need to find a facility to help us make the Quicktime files. 3/4" machines regularly ate the tapes when the format was new. I would hate to have that happen now."

Since Cracked doesn't accept book sources, I'm just going to have to keep using that quote and just note that they may be lying because they don't want everyone to know how bad the KTMA season is.


The actual relevant quote from The Amazing Colossal Episode Guide:
"We don't talk much of those early days anymore.  Why, you ask again? Why don't we release these shows and cash in?  Well, first, we don't dwell in the past; second, the shows were seminal and formative, which is to say they weren't very good; third, we've gotten a lot better; fourth, technically, we don't have the legal right to release them; but beyond that and fifth, there's a reason why musicians and artists leave a lot of work unreleased, and the typical reason is that it's not very good at all and they don't want it seen."

I don't know if that means they necessarily have all of the episodes available and just can't release them, or it's just as possible that some episodes are lost and it's just not worth it to them to track them down and restore them.
 
2013-10-10 04:26:14 PM
Another one - and ironic: Top of the Pops.

Ironic because the only clip of the Beatles' performance of "Hard Day's Night" in 1965 still exists only because it was reused on, of all things, Doctor Who.

Another irony about Doctor Who is that many of the isolated scenes that exist of otherwise missing episodes can be seen now only because they were not permitted to be seen in Australia or other countries at the time. Certain bits deemed unacceptably violent were edited out - and stored.  If and when the film was returned to Britain or destroyed on-site, the edited portions were stored elsewhere and often didn't get included.
 
2013-10-10 04:26:19 PM
Geez, what a lousy article.

-Title claiming to be "THE DEFINITIVE LIST OF LOST EPISODES"
-Quick list of five or six lost episodes, some of which were only almost lost or have been recovered. In reality, hundreds of shows have lost episodes.
-Last third of the article: "I WISH THEY'D ERASE THESE POPULAR SHOWS LIKE LOST! LOL WE'RE SO EDGY!"
 
2013-10-10 04:31:15 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Another one - and ironic: Top of the Pops.

Ironic because the only clip of the Beatles' performance of "Hard Day's Night" in 1965 still exists only because it was reused on, of all things, Doctor Who.

Another irony about Doctor Who is that many of the isolated scenes that exist of otherwise missing episodes can be seen now only because they were not permitted to be seen in Australia or other countries at the time. Certain bits deemed unacceptably violent were edited out - and stored.  If and when the film was returned to Britain or destroyed on-site, the edited portions were stored elsewhere and often didn't get included.


Yeah, there were scenes from War Machines that had to be replaced from censor cuts because the episodes the BBC held were incomplete.

Also, the Hartnell to Troughton regeneration only exists (at least for the time being... hopefully tonight's announcement changes all that) because of a Blue Peter Doctor Who special where they showed that bit of film.

And the funny thing about the Beatles clip... we in America can't even see it because of music rights. It got cut from the DVD.
 
2013-10-10 04:38:51 PM
Interesting the photo they used for that kids show with Chris Tarrant also has who (no pun intended) I assume is Sylvester McCoy in it.

i3.mirror.co.uk

The guy on the left of him kinda looks like Michael Strahan if he didn't have those gap teeth.
 
2013-10-10 04:45:08 PM

Fireproof: the UK version of Fraggle Rock


I didn't even know such a thing existed. However after watching a clip on Youtube it appears the only thing different was the opening.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICLruf2IleI
 
2013-10-10 04:52:42 PM

wildcardjack: A lot of stuff from the 1950's is missing, also, because TV shows were either live or recorded to steel magnetic media that went bad in a hurry. The reason we have I Love Lucy is that Desilu Studios insisted on doing everything to film.


That's also how we have the rescanned HD Star Trek, complete with remastered audio. I'm sure there are BBC executives that would kill to be able to do that with old Doctor Who episodes.
 
2013-10-10 04:55:45 PM
I would gladly trade the dozen or so funny Python sketches if it means I never have to hear some twit drunkenly doing the dead parrot bit or the spam sketch.
 
2013-10-10 04:57:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: And, according to wiki (grain of salt time), the destruction of the DuMont library began in 1958 when kinescopes were destroyed for their silver content.


That's pretty well documented.  The company was either in need of money or actually bankrupt (forgot which) and scrapping the film for the silver was quick cash, rather like selling your mother's jewelry to a cash-for-gold place today.

Norfolking Chance: CarnySaur: Boy, was that a snarky article.

Yes it was. The tabloid press in Britain hate the BBC with a firey burning passion that makes Fox News hate on CNN seem like a polite disagrement. The BBC is the competition that costs them massive profits so News Corp and others put the boot in when they can, when they are not hacking peoples phones, bribing police officers etc etc


They've been pretty successful in constantly shaking up the leadership and getting the Beeb's budget reduced again and again.  And no matter how successful and how good the BBC are at their job, New Corp always finds some new line of attack.
 
2013-10-10 05:01:17 PM

Hand Banana: Fireproof: the UK version of Fraggle Rock

I didn't even know such a thing existed. However after watching a clip on Youtube it appears the only thing different was the opening.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICLruf2IleI


Nope, they had different characters in the above-ground segments and everything.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/05/are-you-british-did-you-tape- an y-episodes-of-fraggle-rock-on-vhs-do-they-stil-exist/
 
2013-10-10 05:03:30 PM

Fireproof: -Last third of the article: "I WISH THEY'D ERASE THESE POPULAR SHOWS LIKE LOST! LOL WE'RE SO EDGY!"


Every episode of that show is a lost episode anyway.
 
2013-10-10 05:06:00 PM

Fireproof: Hand Banana: Fireproof: the UK version of Fraggle Rock

I didn't even know such a thing existed. However after watching a clip on Youtube it appears the only thing different was the opening.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICLruf2IleI

Nope, they had different characters in the above-ground segments and everything.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/05/are-you-british-did-you-tape- an y-episodes-of-fraggle-rock-on-vhs-do-they-stil-exist/


Yeah I guess that's true, but then I never cared about the live action parts as a kid.
 
2013-10-10 05:10:55 PM

Dwight_Yeast: FirstNationalBastard: And, according to wiki (grain of salt time), the destruction of the DuMont library began in 1958 when kinescopes were destroyed for their silver content.

That's pretty well documented.  The company was either in need of money or actually bankrupt (forgot which) and scrapping the film for the silver was quick cash, rather like selling your mother's jewelry to a cash-for-gold place today.


I'm not sure they were ever bankrupt, but they were always in need of cash. IIRC, the final nail in the coffin of DuMont was selling off their Pittsburgh station, which was an earner because it was the only VHF station in town, and a merger with ABC was spiked by the FCC (or some other government agency) because of ABC's involvement with Paramount and anti-trust laws.

Of course, if you really want to get technical, Fox is built on the back of DuMont. The major independent networks that were the first Fox stations were all Metromedia stations, and Metromedia was a renamed DuMont.
 
2013-10-10 05:16:53 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Dwight_Yeast: FirstNationalBastard: 

Of course, if you really want to get technical, Fox is built on the back of DuMont. The major independent networks that were the first Fox stations were all Metromedia stations, and Metromedia was a renamed DuMont.


Could I not be the only one in this thread who's a big enough TV nerd to have read The Forgotten Network?
 
2013-10-10 05:19:14 PM

Fireproof: FirstNationalBastard: Dwight_Yeast: FirstNationalBastard: 

Of course, if you really want to get technical, Fox is built on the back of DuMont. The major independent networks that were the first Fox stations were all Metromedia stations, and Metromedia was a renamed DuMont.

Could I not be the only one in this thread who's a big enough TV nerd to have read The Forgotten Network?


Haven't read it yet, but damned if I won't now that I know about it.

I've cadged my DuMont info from random websites, which probably took it from the damn book anyway.
 
2013-10-10 06:02:59 PM

cheer: Yeah, this. They're not missing.


I'm pretty sure I have (or had at one point) all of them.
 
2013-10-10 06:34:10 PM
i3.mirror.co.uk

Is....is that Sylvester "7th Doctor" McCoy next to the green balloon?
 
2013-10-10 07:00:58 PM
Both "Web of Fear" and "Enemy of the World" are up on iTunes now for purchase.  "Enemy of the World" has a free 2 minute trailer.  The picture quality is excellent, they really did a great job restoring them.
 
2013-10-10 07:07:31 PM

Fireproof: I'm currently in the middle of writing an article for Cracked on this topic.


Be sure to separate it onto multiples pages, no matter how short your article is.
 
2013-10-10 07:09:15 PM

LeoffDaGrate: Press conference has been held, but there's been a media blackout until midnight (UK time).  According to the Twitterverse, it was announced that all 6 Episodes of "Enemy of the World" and 5 episodes of "The Web of Fear" (missing episode 3) have been found and restored.  They ended the press conference with "More on the way..."


"More on the way"?? You bastards!

Just tell us how many you recovered already....
 
2013-10-10 07:25:37 PM

ArcadianRefugee: LeoffDaGrate: Press conference has been held, but there's been a media blackout until midnight (UK time).  According to the Twitterverse, it was announced that all 6 Episodes of "Enemy of the World" and 5 episodes of "The Web of Fear" (missing episode 3) have been found and restored.  They ended the press conference with "More on the way..."

"More on the way"?? You bastards!

Just tell us how many you recovered already....


Ah, let 'em drag it out.

IMO, as long as they don't do something stupid, like release Tenth Planet with the animated episode, then do a SE three months later with the real episode, I'll be fine with new info and episodes coming all throughout 2014.

Plus, there are rumors that the negotiations are tricky, and they're getting them in batches, or something like that. So maybe they have these two in hand, and more coming.

Anyway, I wonder when the US release is going to be?
 
2013-10-10 07:51:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Anyway, I wonder when the US release is going to be?


Shortly after they release them to anyone, I'd imagine.

/I'm looking at you, Internets!
 
2013-10-10 08:52:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Anyway, I wonder when the US release is going to be?


They were up about 20 minutes before the announcement. Enjoy!

DVD of Enemy next month, Web early 2014.
 
2013-10-10 08:53:04 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ArcadianRefugee: LeoffDaGrate: Press conference has been held, but there's been a media blackout until midnight (UK time).  According to the Twitterverse, it was announced that all 6 Episodes of "Enemy of the World" and 5 episodes of "The Web of Fear" (missing episode 3) have been found and restored.  They ended the press conference with "More on the way..."

"More on the way"?? You bastards!

Just tell us how many you recovered already....

Ah, let 'em drag it out.

IMO, as long as they don't do something stupid, like release Tenth Planet with the animated episode, then do a SE three months later with the real episode, I'll be fine with new info and episodes coming all throughout 2014.

Plus, there are rumors that the negotiations are tricky, and they're getting them in batches, or something like that. So maybe they have these two in hand, and more coming.

Anyway, I wonder when the US release is going to be?


It's already available on iTunes.

Also, I'm not seeing the "more to come" part in any of the articles I'm reading.
 
2013-10-10 08:57:30 PM

chascarrillo: FirstNationalBastard: Anyway, I wonder when the US release is going to be?

They were up about 20 minutes before the announcement. Enjoy!

DVD of Enemy next month, Web early 2014.


All I've seen is a BBC Shop exclusive, which is region 2. And I'm guessing these are bare bones, no special features, just the episodes releases for the people who need 'em now.

I'm talking about the full Who DVD treatment, with special features, commentaries, a featurette on the miraculous finding of the lost episodes, maybe an animated missing episode of Web of Fear... that's the kind of DVD release I'm talking about,.
 
2013-10-10 09:23:03 PM
Hundreds of Dark Shadows episodes remain (likely forever) missing.  And as cheesy as it was, that was one show that managed to keep its audience hooked.
 
2013-10-10 09:26:06 PM

tillerman35: Hundreds of Dark Shadows episodes remain (likely forever) missing.  And as cheesy as it was, that was one show that managed to keep its audience hooked.


If by "hundreds", you mean "one", you're correct.

http://www.collinwood.net/info/faq.htm#q4

Hell, there's even a bigass boxset containing every episode of Dark Shadows, minus the one missing episode, and that one is reconstructed with a full audio soundtrack and pictures.
 
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