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(Talking Points Memo)   Red State's Erick Erickson predicts the GOP will split and create a third party. Please proceed Republicans   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-10-10 10:51:28 AM  
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Christmas is coming and this is all I will ask for I promise.
 
2013-10-10 11:04:47 AM  
is it me, or does Erick Erickson look like an angrier, gayer version of Cam from Modern Family?
 
2013-10-10 11:17:02 AM  
I certainly hope the GOP splits in two, because it is the only way we will see progress return to the floor of the House. The Republicans need to move back to Center-Right, and form a coalition with the Democrats to raise the debt ceiling and work on a balanced budget, as well as do the work of the country that they largely have ignored for the last few years. The Tea Party needs to be split off into their own group, where they will wither and die without the big pockets the Republican Party brings to the table. Only then will we get some semblance of sanity back in Washington, even if it is only a small one.
 
2013-10-10 11:59:41 AM  
The Canadian Conservative party split once.

Now for the true story bro part:

Back in the day, I had free box tickets to a hockey game.  I was carrying three beers to my seat and asked the nice older lady next to me to hold two of my beers while I sat down.   She was very nice and I told her that she looked very familiar and where I knew her from.  She said "My name is Elsie Wayne and I'm leader of Canada's PC party (Canada's GOP)."

When the Conservative party split the PC party (Canada's GOP) was reduced to two seats and the leader of which held my beers at a hockey game.

so I hope this happens in the US because it would be epic
 
2013-10-10 12:45:15 PM  
I approve of this message
 
2013-10-10 01:07:50 PM  

mrshowrules: The Canadian Conservative party split once.

Now for the true story bro part:

Back in the day, I had free box tickets to a hockey game.  I was carrying three beers to my seat and asked the nice older lady next to me to hold two of my beers while I sat down.   She was very nice and I told her that she looked very familiar and where I knew her from.  She said "My name is Elsie Wayne and I'm leader of Canada's PC party (Canada's GOP)."

When the Conservative party split the PC party (Canada's GOP) was reduced to two seats and the leader of which held my beers at a hockey game.

so I hope this happens in the US because it would be epic


 I can't think of anyone in the leadership of the GOP I would trust to hold a beer
 
2013-10-10 01:14:57 PM  
static2.parade.com

Artist's depiction of the upcoming split
 
2013-10-10 01:18:19 PM  
I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.
 
2013-10-10 01:20:51 PM  
What do these people eat that makes them look like that?
 
2013-10-10 01:23:32 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.



That seems reasonable.  Yet, just how reasonable have they been?
 
2013-10-10 01:28:56 PM  
This is good news - for Obama.
 
2013-10-10 01:39:35 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.


At some point the moderate House Republicans will lay down the law to Boehner, and force a vote on a clean CR. They may fear being primaried by the Tea Party freaks, but the Moderates fear losing their big business supporters more. If the government defaults, or of this shutdown goes on for many more weeks, the economy will continue to suffer to the point that the GOP's corporate supporters will start to pull their contributions. War chests will suffer, and the Moderates will side with the Dems to get the government running again.

At that point, Boehner has a decision to make: Side with the Tea Party and eventually lose his Speakership, or side with the Moderates and Democrats, while the Tea Party freaks split off and form a third party. Really, in either case the GOP needs to rid themselves of the TP in order for the government to function properly, and I think they know that. The TP probably knows that, too, and this may be their "big play" to get what they want, betting that the Dems will fold and the GOP won't eject them like the mongrels they are. Fortunately, the TP members are generally delusional, and as such don't realize that their fates were cooked long ago, and the GOP is only keeping them around as long as is politically expedient. The minute the TP no longer help the GOP attain their ends, which is rapidly approaching, the TP members will be locked away in a box until they can be done away with in the next election.

In the end, the TP members in the House could be run out of office in landslides in 2014, simply by the GOP refusing to fund their re-election campaigns. The GOP leadership above Boehner know things are going badly for them, and that their true masters are beginning to get angry with their antics. Corporations may hate the ACA, but they hate watching the Dow Jones Average plummet even more, so likely these shenanigans will end soon. Either that, or Boehner is done for as Speaker.
 
2013-10-10 01:41:20 PM  

sigdiamond2000: What do these people eat that makes them look like that?


Spite-O's
 
2013-10-10 01:45:09 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: [static2.parade.com image 620x350]

Artist's depiction of the upcoming split


You left out tons of butter for the Hoverround Paula-Deen-supporting crowd.
 
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2013-10-10 01:46:54 PM  
the Teatards have been trying to form their own party for decades.  Back when they were Southern Democrats they tried it under Thurmond and Wallace.  There just aren't enough of them to win elections.  Maybe 25% of the country or less.

I do think the "States rights" nonsense is here to stay, and I wonder if they will form some sort of regional southern/western party that will run candidates for state elections and vote republican for presidential elections.
 
2013-10-10 01:47:56 PM  
I fully support this.  Get the Teahadists and other yahoos out of the party, let them form their own derptastic coalition, and let what few non-batshiat Republicans still remain take over the withered, dessicated husk of the GOP.  It's time for those farkers to fark off.
 
2013-10-10 01:51:49 PM  

sigdiamond2000: What do these people eat that makes them look like that?


Hate sandwiches with stupid bread. And extra mayo.
 
2013-10-10 01:53:41 PM  
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2013-10-10 01:54:58 PM  
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2013-10-10 02:14:32 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.


A rational person would agree.
These people have shown themselves to be anything but.
 
2013-10-10 02:17:45 PM  
DO IT DO IT DO IT.

Actually, this seems almost inevitable. I don't see how this unholy coalition stays together once Boehner does whatever he has to in order to get approval for raising the debt ceiling. The harpies in the Tea Party will wail and gnash their teeth and never be placated.

So, wait, does this mean that Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker again soon, maybe? Because that would be hilarious.
 
2013-10-10 02:17:51 PM  
Ohhhhh GOOD! Three capitalist parties.  Just what we need.
 
2013-10-10 02:18:05 PM  
THERE IS NO POSSIBLE DOWNSIDE


DO IT, PUSSIES.
 
2013-10-10 02:18:23 PM  
Sarah and Ted's Amazing Venture.

//adds popcorn to shopping list.
 
2013-10-10 02:18:36 PM  

spongeboob: Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please  please please please please please please please please please please please  please please please please please please please please please please please  please please please please please please please please please please please  please please please please please please please please please please please

Christmas is coming and this is all I will ask for I promise.


This!!!!!!
 
2013-10-10 02:19:32 PM  

FarkedOver: Ohhhhh GOOD! Three capitalist parties.  Just what we need.


Well, if this truly were to occur, there could easily be some re-alignment of the Dem coalition, too.

Eventually, the US political system will gravitate back to 2 parties, because the winner take all voting system we have all but ensures this.
 
2013-10-10 02:20:16 PM  
Up until now the only saving grace for the GOP was that the Tea Party and the mainstream Republicans all voted the R ticket in state-level and House elections. If a split occurs, they lose all that gerrymandering they did in 2010.
 
2013-10-10 02:20:42 PM  

mrshowrules: The Canadian Conservative party split once.

Now for the true story bro part:

Back in the day, I had free box tickets to a hockey game.  I was carrying three beers to my seat and asked the nice older lady next to me to hold two of my beers while I sat down.   She was very nice and I told her that she looked very familiar and where I knew her from.  She said "My name is Elsie Wayne and I'm leader of Canada's PC party (Canada's GOP)."

When the Conservative party split the PC party (Canada's GOP) was reduced to two seats and the leader of which held my beers at a hockey game.

so I hope this happens in the US because it would be epic


Nobody watches Hockey here dude.

LOL, just kidding. I love Canada.
 
2013-10-10 02:20:56 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.


Likely not an even split.

However, the most critical point of failure is not the CR, but almost contemporaneous need for to raise the debt ceiling. The Moneycons are adamant the debt ceiling must be raised, in fear that not doing so will trigger a financial disaster on the scale of the Great Depression; the Jingocon elements seem likely to support the Moneycons, tending to realize that it's hard to fight wars without being able to borrow the money to pay for them. The Teahadis are rabidly in favor of refusing to raise the debt ceiling, and have an evidence-resistant belief that nothing really bad will happen if it doesn't get raised; the Theocon elements have no worries about triggering apocalypse whether financial or otherwise, and the Xenocons seem likely to think the defaults will mostly be hurting furriners.

MmmmBacon: At some point the moderate House Republicans will lay down the law to Boehner, and force a vote on a clean CR.


Again, the trick seems not at the CR, but the need to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner. There are some ways in the House rules to get around an obstinate Speaker, but they don't work quickly. I'm not an expert on parlimentary procedure, but after today, avoiding default seems to require:
1) Boehner acquiescing to having the House vote, or
2) Someone who he has allowed to act as Speaker pro tempore openly double-crossing Boehner by triggering such a vote without such acquiescence, or
3) Boehner's leaving the Speakership by death or resignation. (I think after midnight, there will no longer be time for a motion to expel him to come up without his acquiescing to that vote, even if the 88 Republican defectors could be found.)
 
2013-10-10 02:20:57 PM  
Lol, so great. They're not going to buy it, GOP! You're going to bribe, beg, and plead with them to let it go, and they're just not going to do it. Even if you whip Cruz and Co back into line, it's not going to silence the rabble.

Obamacare is going to destroy this country, the teevee told me so.
 
2013-10-10 02:20:58 PM  
Tea Partyists would never let this happen because they'd never have a chance of winning an election.

If they're willing to destroy the country, they're willing to do whatever the hell they want to be a tumor on the Republican Party.
 
2013-10-10 02:21:02 PM  
I've been hoping for this to happen. Mostly it may open things up for other parties again and no more two party system.
 
2013-10-10 02:21:58 PM  
You know what, I don't think this will happen because the tea party is made up of cowards and pussies.  They're going to run back to the protective trunk of Mother Elephant.  They don't have the balls to strike out on their own.

Mark my words:  THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

They're too chickenshiat.
 
2013-10-10 02:22:16 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.


Gay marriage is a big issue for the evangelicals.  Teabaggers are too jacked out of place by gay marrage.
The ACA is a big deal for the Teabaggers.  The Corporatists aren't too jacked by ACA.
Sanely run government is a big deal to the Corporatists.  Evangelicals and Teabaggers don't care much for corporations.

If the corporatists leave the GOP they'll starve the beast of money.  They're a small percentage of the GOP so they'll probably move to the Dems to maintain influance.

Without the corporatists, the GOP is left with Teabaggers and evangelicals.  The liberatarian teabaggers won't put up with the social issues that evangelicals push.  Evangelicals won't put up with liberatarian teabaggers.  These two groups are destined to split.  When that happens, the GOP is gone.
 
2013-10-10 02:22:17 PM  
It already happened. The fact that we have a 2 party system makes it less obvious.
 
2013-10-10 02:22:26 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: [static2.parade.com image 620x350]

Artist's depiction of the upcoming split


I like it. It works well with the "Potatometricians" label that another Farker came up with.
 
2013-10-10 02:22:31 PM  

Skleenar: FarkedOver: Ohhhhh GOOD! Three capitalist parties.  Just what we need.

Well, if this truly were to occur, there could easily be some re-alignment of the Dem coalition, too.

Eventually, the US political system will gravitate back to 2 parties, because the winner take all voting system we have all but ensures this.


So in the long run we still get farked no matter what. Sounds like a real peach of a system we have here.
 
2013-10-10 02:22:38 PM  

Smelly McUgly: So, wait, does this mean that Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker again soon, maybe? Because that would be hilarious.


I really, really, really want to see where the Derp Machine goes if we end up with a Democratic President, Senate, and House in '14-16. I honestly think there would be suicide cults.
 
2013-10-10 02:23:47 PM  
We're witnessing the desperate thrashing of a small clade of frightened powermongers as their relevance in modern governance fades further and further into a well deserved historical footnote.  They know their grip is loosening and their fear of losing control will cause them to become more and more outrageous in order to hold on to what little attention they have left.

The question is whether they'll let go before it turns violent.  Major change in the halls of power (and resistance to that change) is often accompanied by bloodshed.  We've been fortunate that in the short time we've been a nation we've only fallen victim to that once.  I hope that it's just the fact I'm a professional cynic color my thoughts.

/Seriously, I get paid to assume things have gone hopelessly, hilariously wrong.
 
2013-10-10 02:25:08 PM  

Drubell: Tea Partyists would never let this happen because they'd never have a chance of winning an election.


I beg to differ. True, they would be unlikely to take the Presidency any time soon, but have had irritatingly little success getting that GOP nod for any candidate of their faction anyway. And contrariwise, they would likely remain quite viable as a regional party for House and Senate elections in much of the south.
 
2013-10-10 02:25:15 PM  
Conservative goals in 2013:

1. Create a third party
2. Create a third world America
 
2013-10-10 02:25:21 PM  
Funny that these people (Cruz, Palin, etc) intent was to kill the Democratic Party (and process) and all they have done is canibalize their own party.

I approve.
 
2013-10-10 02:25:31 PM  
This gentleman isn't known for correctly predicting things.

That said, let's name the new party.

Cruzin' USA?
 
2013-10-10 02:27:05 PM  
Please do.  Then maybe I can vote for actual Moderate Republicans again.
 
2013-10-10 02:27:51 PM  
I think it would be great if the Tea Party and the social conservatives split from the Republican Party.

We might actually get a party of smaller government and fiscal sanity if that happened. With a lot less religious and "taxes are theft" nonsense.
 
2013-10-10 02:28:19 PM  

Drubell: Tea Partyists would never let this happen because they'd never have a chance of winning an election.

If they're willing to destroy the country, they're willing to do whatever the hell they want to be a tumor on the Republican Party.


They may be able to compete with the Green Party
 
2013-10-10 02:28:26 PM  
Yes.  Let's please go down that road, Erick Erickson.  This is a truly brilliant idea.  Your best one yet.  Do it.  Do it.

Do it.
 
2013-10-10 02:28:45 PM  

SilentStrider: DamnYankees: I don't really see how that could happen. Passing a clean CR is hardly such a catalyzing event that it would crack the party in half.

A rational person would agree.
These people have shown themselves to be anything but.


Passing a clean CR is a perfect catalyst, because it's not really about the bill in the first place. It's about everything going on around it and what those events mean to the players. It's the Archduke Ferdinand of the modern GOP, pretty meaningless in and of itself, but intricately tied to many other elements of power and alliance.

To the tea party, passing a clean bill is a public recognition that their very reason for being in Congress - and let's face it, part of their internal, core values - is never going to happen. Obamacare is here to stay, and their constituents aren't going to listen to pragmatism. Depending on how the bill passes, there are two possible outcomes. One, the tea partiers abstain, and some coalition of Democrats and Republicans come together to pass it. This is a public declaration to their constituents that their own party doesn't share their values, they will turn on them. Two, the tea partiers vote for it, and it's a public declaration to their constituents that they don't share their values. The locals promptly are out for everybody's blood.

Throw in a scared Speaker, a friendly media that can't even keep continuity on its spin from day to day, and grandstanding bomb-throwers, and you have a perfect recipe for an internal war. Because it's not even about the bill. One of the representatives summed it up perfectly the other day. It's about feeling disrespected. It's the death throes of a dying cultural status quo, and the inherent loss of privilege and standing that death represents.
 
2013-10-10 02:28:51 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: [static2.parade.com image 620x350]

Artist's depiction of the upcoming split


No wonder many Republicans are cheesed off, as their rhetoric of late has become quite sour. Creamed over and over in the polls, the GOP is spuddering towards defeat in 2014. With no major achivements to speak of, and Boehner constantly weeping like he's cutting onions, they're running out of time to get bac on track.
 
2013-10-10 02:28:53 PM  

Calmamity: sigdiamond2000: What do these people eat that makes them look like that?

Spite-O's


Washed down with some nice cool Stupid-Ade

//not that they need any aid in being stupid.
 
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