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(The New York Times)   The final insult in the Bush-Cheney marriage: How Dick Cheney finally lost the president   (nytimes.com) divider line 121
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2013-10-10 11:17:59 AM
Took him for a long drive in the country, and just left him there?
 
2013-10-10 11:52:41 AM
Did Dick look under the desk?  Maybe Bush was there.
 
2013-10-10 11:58:23 AM
Now it was time to deliver bad news to Cheney. Bush invited the vice president into the small private dining room off the Oval Office for their final lunch on Jan. 15. There would be no pardon for Libby, Bush said. It was a hard choice, but that was his decision.

"You are leaving a good man wounded on the field of battle," Cheney snapped.


I read this, and had to go for a walk around my building because of the red haze of farking rage that came over me.

I hope Dick Cheney has a long, painful death and I pray there is a hell for him to spend eternity.

George Bush left a LOT of good men wounded on the field of battle. Scooter farking Libby wasn't one of them.
 
2013-10-10 12:00:50 PM
Bush retreated to Texas, where he resolved not to pass judgment on Obama, while Cheney became a fiery critic of the new president. What set him off was a decision to reopen an investigation into C.I.A. interrogations of terror suspects. "Threatening to prosecute C.I.A. officials was indefensible," Liz Cheney told me. "It was just so far beyond what you could stay silent and watch."

TORTURING PEOPLE IS INDEFENSIBLE YOU ASSHOLE
 
2013-10-10 12:01:03 PM
"Cheney didn't go jogging with George Bush."

Perhaps he should have and we could have all saved ourselves a lot of death and grief.
 
2013-10-10 12:03:33 PM
Ok, so that was a really interesting article. What I got from it was that Dick Cheney WASN'T as much of a factor as many people probably thought, and that George Bush put more thought into the potential pardon of Scooter Libby than the invasion of Iraq.

Lovely.
 
2013-10-10 12:08:43 PM
Ut oh. If he's with the WMD, we'll never find him.
 
2013-10-10 12:18:28 PM

what_now: Bush retreated to Texas, where he resolved not to pass judgment on Obama, while Cheney became a fiery critic of the new president. What set him off was a decision to reopen an investigation into C.I.A. interrogations of terror suspects. "Threatening to prosecute C.I.A. officials was indefensible," Liz Cheney told me. "It was just so far beyond what you could stay silent and watch."

TORTURING PEOPLE IS INDEFENSIBLE YOU ASSHOLE


Seems to me that, although (according to TFA) Bush was the "alpha male" in the administration, he relied HEAVILY on Cheney's "advice."  And then came to regret that in his second term.  If the article is to be believed, anyway...
 
2013-10-10 12:34:21 PM
Both of those cawks can go EABOD.
 
2013-10-10 12:38:12 PM
So it's fiction we're posting now?

Figures, everyone and their brother is hawking their latest werewolf/vampire/zombie/dragon book over on the FarkUs tab. It was just a matter of time before mainstream fic made it to the main page.
 
2013-10-10 12:41:12 PM
For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.
 
2013-10-10 12:41:34 PM
Creating human like emotions and motivations for these pricks is pointless.

History needs to remember these sociopaths for what they did to American Society, not given some tripe to start the history rewrite.
 
2013-10-10 12:43:56 PM
Libby, for his part, made light of his imprisonment - and lack of a presidential pardon.

"Libby said George Bush sent a note: 'Pardon me, I can't make it,'" one guest recalled.
Libby also joked that Cheney's dog had urinated in a cabin at Camp David, and that Cheney had sought a pardon - and Bush refused.

Link
 
2013-10-10 12:44:03 PM

what_now: Bush retreated to Texas, where he resolved not to pass judgment on Obama, while Cheney became a fiery critic of the new president. What set him off was a decision to reopen an investigation into C.I.A. interrogations of terror suspects. "Threatening to prosecute C.I.A. officials was indefensible," Liz Cheney told me. "It was just so far beyond what you could stay silent and watch."

TORTURING PEOPLE IS INDEFENSIBLE YOU ASSHOLE


Set up a torture regimen? That's ok, we'll let it slide.

Be a torturer who was just following orders? That's ok too, unless your pictures got posted to the internet.

Destroy evidence of torture?  No worries

Talk about torture to the press?  That's a jailin'

Refusing to hold people accountable for torture is a form of defending those responsible for torturing people.

/torture
 
2013-10-10 12:44:51 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


Oh he did do that. No planning or forethought but plenty of ideals.
 
2013-10-10 12:45:03 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


..........You know who else ruled by sincere ideals?
 
2013-10-10 12:45:49 PM
He made his money. Now its his daughter's turn.
 
2013-10-10 12:49:30 PM
Amazing that their behavior in Gulf War 2 and in Pakistan/Afghanistan/Guantanamo would be the kind of behavior that would get any other Head of State branded as a war criminal. The Bush Administration took all that goodwill the U.S. had in the aftermath of 9/11 and pissed it all away.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:10 PM
Not even curious who is under the desk on our chocolate jesus.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:52 PM

InmanRoshi: T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.

..........You know who else ruled by sincere ideals?


Barack Obama?
 
2013-10-10 12:51:01 PM
So Bush and Cheney stopped being friends?

Good for Bush, since we all know what Cheney does to his friends.

/and then he makes them apologize for it afterwards.
 
2013-10-10 12:52:11 PM
Almost like getting a job because of your dad's golfing buddies is not a way to run a country.
 
2013-10-10 12:53:25 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


If only those ideals hadn't been based on misunderstanding both US history and his proclaimed faith.
 
2013-10-10 12:54:27 PM

what_now: Ok, so that was a really interesting article. What I got from it was that Dick Cheney WASN'T as much of a factor as many people probably thought, and that George Bush put more thought into the potential pardon of Scooter Libby than the invasion of Iraq.

Lovely.


From what I've read in the past, Cheney was very influential until the social security privatization push failed, and the insurgency in Iraq spun out of control, both of which discredited the Neoconservative agenda.
 
2013-10-10 12:54:30 PM
The passage of time has tempered some of the harsh judgments of Bush's administration. By this past summer, 49 percent of Americans now viewed him favorably, compared with 46 percent who disapproved, the first positive balance in eight years.

Uhhh, nope.
 
2013-10-10 12:54:51 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: So it's fiction we're posting now?

Figures, everyone and their brother is hawking their latest werewolf/vampire/zombie/dragon book over on the FarkUs tab. It was just a matter of time before mainstream fic made it to the main page.


Maybe you'd like to hear it from the man himself?

This documentary pretty much tells the same story.
 
2013-10-10 12:56:14 PM
It's not his fault Bush kept taking off the kiddy harness.  And Bush's wife wasn't any help either. She was throwing stuffed animals everywhere
 
2013-10-10 12:56:35 PM

xanadian: what_now: Bush retreated to Texas, where he resolved not to pass judgment on Obama, while Cheney became a fiery critic of the new president. What set him off was a decision to reopen an investigation into C.I.A. interrogations of terror suspects. "Threatening to prosecute C.I.A. officials was indefensible," Liz Cheney told me. "It was just so far beyond what you could stay silent and watch."

TORTURING PEOPLE IS INDEFENSIBLE YOU ASSHOLE

Seems to me that, although (according to TFA) Bush was the "alpha male" in the administration, he relied HEAVILY on Cheney's "advice."  And then came to regret that in his second term.  If the article is to be believed, anyway...


The power behind the throne always just offers 'advice' when there's no one around to argue, and lets the king believe he's doing what we wants.
 
2013-10-10 12:57:09 PM

dittybopper: InmanRoshi: T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.

..........You know who else ruled by sincere ideals?

Barack Obama?


He even drops his "G"s in favor of the beloved apostrophe.  How much more sincere can you get?
 
2013-10-10 01:00:15 PM
fark both of them. They should be on trial at the Hague. So should most of GW Bush's close advisors.
 
2013-10-10 01:02:06 PM
I love this passage:

As Bush's final days in the White House approached, he did not exactly have his vice president under control. Cheney's lobbying campaign on behalf of Scooter Libby had become deeply disconcerting to the president. To Cheney, it was a simple matter of justice. As he saw it, Libby had been pursued by an unprincipled prosecutor bent on damaging the White House.

No Dick, the prosecutor wasn't hellbent on damaging the WH, you and your lieutenants were doing a bang-up job of that on your own.
 
2013-10-10 01:02:22 PM
Has Cheney's daughter been offered a Playboy spread yet?


/ducks
 
2013-10-10 01:02:46 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


fark that. That's how you get Pol Pot.

Also, GW Bush didn't have any ideals. Don't farking kid yourself with the retconned "aw shucks" image and his fake god-fearin' ways.
 
2013-10-10 01:04:13 PM
Could the author of that article stick his tongue any further up Bush's butt? I mean, really.
 
2013-10-10 01:04:39 PM
Obama approval rating at 37%? Quick, let's run some Bush/Cheney articles!
 
2013-10-10 01:07:50 PM

gweilo8888: Could the author of that article stick his tongue any further up Bush's butt? I mean, really.


Tongue did not seem to meet much resistance.
Slipped right in on a well lubed path.
 
2013-10-10 01:09:14 PM

jaybeezey: Obama approval rating at 37%? Quick, let's run some Bush/Cheney articles!


I think even the more biased polls like Gallup have the President around 45%.  Not great, but Congress is at 7%.
 
2013-10-10 01:10:49 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


True...but his son? Not so much.
 
2013-10-10 01:11:16 PM
I just did what I hope is my final GW spit take, FTFA:

"Bush, on the other hand, was through with politics. He told visitors in Dallas that he felt liberated on the day of Obama's inauguration. "When I saw his hand go up, I thought, Free at last," Bush said."


Free at last?!? Good lord how did people keep putting this tone-deaf ignoramus into office?
 
2013-10-10 01:14:27 PM
It's too bad Bush didn't give Cheney and option: Libby stays in jail, or take his place...because somebody outed a CIA operative and somebody is damn well going to do the time. It's too bad it wasn't the real perp.
 
2013-10-10 01:18:23 PM
I want to see Dick Cheney's head on a pike, in front of the White House. I want it to remain there for the next ten generations as a warning that some favors come with too high a price and that torture has no place in the United States.

I want to spend my retirement going on the White House tour and waving at it every day.

He can roast right next to McCarthy in Hell.
 
2013-10-10 01:20:00 PM

dionysusaur: T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.

If only those ideals hadn't been based on misunderstanding both US history and his proclaimed faith.


and foreign policy, and international law, and science, and...
 
2013-10-10 01:21:23 PM
So Valerie Plame was going to get her job back?  No?
 
2013-10-10 01:23:04 PM

netringer: So Valerie Plame was going to get her job back?  No?


About as likely as the "furloughed" workers today.

Yajuice On A Stick, you peeps never been downsized before?
 
2013-10-10 01:23:24 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


Why?  Conviction politics is a terrible, terrible way to conduct affairs.  It doesn't produce good results outside of the narrow population that holds identical convictions.  You shouldn't govern/vote for/push what you think is right morally - you should govern/vote/push what you think is right to LEGISLATE ON EVERYONE, including those that don't hold those beliefs.

These mean very different things, and lead to very different results.
 
2013-10-10 01:26:55 PM
snark

very nice article
i feel so much more compassion for bush now
of course ill consider his brother for president now

end snark
 
2013-10-10 01:27:08 PM

deadsanta: I just did what I hope is my final GW spit take, FTFA:

"Bush, on the other hand, was through with politics. He told visitors in Dallas that he felt liberated on the day of Obama's inauguration. "When I saw his hand go up, I thought, Free at last," Bush said."


Free at last?!? Good lord how did people keep putting this tone-deaf ignoramus into office?


Nobody knows the trouble he's seen.
 
2013-10-10 01:28:15 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: I want to see Dick Cheney's head on a pike, in front of the White House. I want it to remain there for the next ten generations as a warning that some favors come with too high a price and that torture has no place in the United States.

I want to spend my retirement going on the White House tour and waving at it every day.

He can roast right next to McCarthy in Hell.


I would rather do a less barbaric equivalent.  But I do know that every day Cheney walks a free man is another slap in the face of everything this country stands for.  I don't care if these guys end up 90 years old and in rest homes, charges need to be brought.
 
2013-10-10 01:29:10 PM

deadsanta: I just did what I hope is my final GW spit take, FTFA:

"Bush, on the other hand, was through with politics. He told visitors in Dallas that he felt liberated on the day of Obama's inauguration. "When I saw his hand go up, I thought, Free at last," Bush said."


Free at last?!? Good lord how did people keep putting this tone-deaf ignoramus into office?


Were we gonna vote for Dukakis?
Were we gonna vote for Dole?
Were we gonna vote for Gore?
Were we gonna vote for Kerry?
Were we gonna vote for McCain?
Were we gonna vote for Romney?

If one party puts up a cardboard cutout with absolutely no charisma (except Mccain, he was just looney), they are going to lose every time. Every single one of those guys would make the most annoying neighbors.

Every one of the winners seem like a decent guy to go get a beer with.

So for 2016:

People I'd be willing to grab a beer with Joe Biden or Chris Christie,.

Annoying neighbortypes; Hillary Clinton, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz.

I don't know about Rubio yet.

If Hillary gets the Democrat nomination, she would likely lose to Chris Christie, but likely win against any of the other republicans.

But Christie will probably not get the Republican nomination.
 
2013-10-10 01:29:52 PM

T.rex: For better or worse, Bush ruled by sincere ideals...  Thats what i'd want in a leader.


Two intractable wars, a trillion dollar expansion of Medicare that amounts to a handout for prescription drug companies, deregulation of the energy and banking sectors, leading to the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, one that we are still reeling from, the disastrous NCLB act which handcuffs gifted students to their paste-eating peers when it comes to education funding, and massive tax cuts to the wealthy that accelerated the growth of income inequality in this country.

Sincerely,

www.reactionface.info

Also torture, the growth of the surveillance/security state, disastrous Supreme Court picks, the loss of our economic and moral standing in the world, the ascendency of radical evangelism in Washington, the administration's response to Katrina, etc., etc., etc.,...
 
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