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(The Oatmeal)   "(Christopher Columbus) discovered the New World much like a meteorite discovered the dinosaurs"   (theoatmeal.com) divider line 11
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2013-10-10 11:06:42 AM
22 votes:

I_C_Weener: He is responsible for The Olive Garden.


So we agree: history's greatest monster.
2013-10-10 11:58:51 AM
2 votes:
Wow, this comic is so much wrong LOL.

He says the Santa Maria wrecked in the Lucayas and then Columbus returned to Spain.

Weeeeeeeeeeell...NOPE.

After he went to the Lucayas, he reached Cuba and then an island he named the Hispaniola. That's where the Santa Maria wrecked and with the wood from the ship they made a fort called Fort Christmas in Spanish, because it was in December. He left a portion of the crew to hold the fort and went back to Spain in the other two ships.

And Columbus himself was a rather decent guy (I'm not going to speak on behalf of his personal morals or how he may have treated some natives. I wasn't there and it was a different world.) But Columbus isn't responsible for the genocide.

1.- Columbus wasn't given a real crew the first time around. He was given a bunch of guys who were in jail for murder, theft and other crimes. The King of Spain thought this journey was bogus so he refused to send his good men overthere. Gee. I wonder what happens when you send the antisocial garbage of your society to another. After Columbus returned and the King spit his cereal, he sent a real fleet of 17 ships and army lol.

2.- When he returned in the Second Journey, he found that the remaining crew on the island had gotten into skirmishes with the natives and the fort had been burned and some of the men killed.

3.- During the third journey, one of the things he did was get beat up, jailed and sent to Spain. There was some charges about Columbus engaging in slavery (as if...), but the real reason is that Columbus and the Kingdom of Spain had an agreement before the first journey. Columbus would be Viceroy of all the found lands and his family will keep that governing title forever as well as receive a percentage of the riches found. It's very clear that once the colonization was taking form, Spain didn't want to have to share their stuff with Columbus and threw him under the bus.

4.- After some years, he got pardoned and managed to make a fourth journey.  Discovering even more land. After that he went to Spain and died a couple of years later. By this time, the Spanish Crown had relented a bit and gave his family the control of Hispaniola, at least. Eventually they also were phased out.

So yeah, this Oatmeal guy just made a fool out of himself. Especially with that crap in the beginning about HE being the one to educate the public.

I love how that idiot says in big bold letters that "HE's going to dispel those ideas", then at the end of the article, puts a statement in some bullshiat microfont nobody can read saying "This article is based on the information found on these two books".

So you were repeating other's people work and giving yourself tons of credit? Good jorb, Oatmeal!
2013-10-10 11:52:05 AM
2 votes:

nmrsnr: I've always hated the Columbus myth, specifically because everybody (except school teachers, apparently) know it's complete bunk. Making Columbus into a monster is not entirely fair, either, he was just as ignorant as any other entitled noble of the time, but I'm now interested in the Bartolome guy, who I've never heard of before.


What? He is a key founding father, when you get him all of your Indian converts switch to normal colonists, which is a major boost if you do it at the right time i.e. once you have lots of schools/colleges/universities to turn them into specialists relatively quickly to offset the lost bonus production you get for converts working land squares.
2013-10-10 10:58:45 AM
2 votes:
Columbus was the beginning of widespread knowledge of the New World, and the beginning of expansion into it.

The Vikings just fished nearby.  And the Native Americans just killed each other less efficiently than Europeans.  And the Chinese did not discover America.

I'm celebrating Columbus Day with pasta.  He brought tomatoes to Italy.  He is responsible for The Olive Garden.
2013-10-10 01:35:47 PM
1 votes:

LL316: gingerjet: nmrsnr: He's a web comic, he has no duty to be objective. As for the sources he cites not citing sources, that's a fair objection, but again, while he may have been biased in his portrayal of Columbus (one could argue that he was only pointing out the dirt because school only points out the highlights, so there's no need to reiterate that), what in the portrayal was false to the point of undermining his thesis? Did Columbus not force the indigenous peoples to pay gold tribute? Did he not start using them as sex slaves? Did he not inadvertently start the trans-Atlantic slave trade? Did he not, kind of advertently, cause a genocide?

If he was just writing a cute little comic and making a joke about his opinion on Columbus I would give him a pass.  But he isn't.  His stated goal is to clear up misconceptions about the dude and he is basing it on controversial source material.  And considering how wrong he was about Edison - I have every right to criticize and doubt any word he puts into his little rant.

/I'm not defending Columbus - he was an incompetent tool and we shouldn't have a holiday to celebrate him

Fark you.  Do not try to take away my paid days off.



Take away his holiday and let's use that for a US national holiday for federal elections.  Win-win.
2013-10-10 01:34:04 PM
1 votes:

gingerjet: nmrsnr: He's a web comic, he has no duty to be objective. As for the sources he cites not citing sources, that's a fair objection, but again, while he may have been biased in his portrayal of Columbus (one could argue that he was only pointing out the dirt because school only points out the highlights, so there's no need to reiterate that), what in the portrayal was false to the point of undermining his thesis? Did Columbus not force the indigenous peoples to pay gold tribute? Did he not start using them as sex slaves? Did he not inadvertently start the trans-Atlantic slave trade? Did he not, kind of advertently, cause a genocide?

If he was just writing a cute little comic and making a joke about his opinion on Columbus I would give him a pass.  But he isn't.  His stated goal is to clear up misconceptions about the dude and he is basing it on controversial source material.  And considering how wrong he was about Edison - I have every right to criticize and doubt any word he puts into his little rant.

/I'm not defending Columbus - he was an incompetent tool and we shouldn't have a holiday to celebrate him


Fark you.  Do not try to take away my paid days off.
2013-10-10 12:51:23 PM
1 votes:

rocky_howard: Wow, this comic is so much wrong LOL.

He says the Santa Maria wrecked in the Lucayas and then Columbus returned to Spain.

Weeeeeeeeeeell...NOPE.

After he went to the Lucayas, he reached Cuba and then an island he named the Hispaniola. That's where the Santa Maria wrecked and with the wood from the ship they made a fort called Fort Christmas in Spanish, because it was in December. He left a portion of the crew to hold the fort and went back to Spain in the other two ships.

And Columbus himself was a rather decent guy (I'm not going to speak on behalf of his personal morals or how he may have treated some natives. I wasn't there and it was a different world.) But Columbus isn't responsible for the genocide.

1.- Columbus wasn't given a real crew the first time around. He was given a bunch of guys who were in jail for murder, theft and other crimes. The King of Spain thought this journey was bogus so he refused to send his good men overthere. Gee. I wonder what happens when you send the antisocial garbage of your society to another. After Columbus returned and the King spit his cereal, he sent a real fleet of 17 ships and army lol.

2.- When he returned in the Second Journey, he found that the remaining crew on the island had gotten into skirmishes with the natives and the fort had been burned and some of the men killed.

3.- During the third journey, one of the things he did was get beat up, jailed and sent to Spain. There was some charges about Columbus engaging in slavery (as if...), but the real reason is that Columbus and the Kingdom of Spain had an agreement before the first journey. Columbus would be Viceroy of all the found lands and his family will keep that governing title forever as well as receive a percentage of the riches found. It's very clear that once the colonization was taking form, Spain didn't want to have to share their stuff with Columbus and threw him under the bus.

4.- After some years, he got pardoned and managed to make a fourth journey. ...


I do so enjoy your use of Ignoratio elenchi and red herrings to attempt to make this man seem any less terrible.  Just because the royal court of Spain was a jerk to Columbus does not justify his actions.

You are essentially defending a pedophile, slave trafficker, thief, murderer, and rapist.  And you do so out of some misplaced jingoist notion that if it were not for him then we wouldn't have big foam fingers with USA written on them.  Seriously, show some insight for once.
2013-10-10 12:44:13 PM
1 votes:
As a wise man once said, he only discovered that he was lost.
2013-10-10 12:17:07 PM
1 votes:

Mr_Fabulous: ShadowKamui: Call it Explorers Day and plaster Louis & Clark, Glenn, Armstrong and Buzz's face everywhere

Throw in some Cabot, De Soto, Ponce de Leon, Cook... yeah, I kinda like this idea. L&C don't get enough love, I agree.


I thought L&C got a TV show together... Something about the New Adventurers of Superman. And they got married near the end of the series and adopted a child.

Actually, when I was younger (no older then 10), I did not know about Louis and Clark.  I thought they meant Lois and Clark when I was at NASA taking the bus tour. That was the first time I can actually recall hearing their names.
2013-10-10 12:12:31 PM
1 votes:
Almost no drawings, very little text. Most of which is in Comic Sans.

Best. Internet. Cartoonist. EVAR
2013-10-10 11:51:56 AM
1 votes:
Call it Explorers Day and plaster Louis & Clark, Glenn, Armstrong and Buzz's face everywhere
 
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