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2013-10-10 10:34:20 AM
everystevejobsvideo.com

i dunno, subby, some pretty successful things were built in garages.
 
2013-10-10 10:43:07 AM
IT SHOULD OF BEEN BUILT IN A TOILET BECAUSE THATS WHERE AMERICA IS GOING
 
2013-10-10 10:57:11 AM

FlashHarry: [everystevejobsvideo.com image 850x686]

i dunno, subby, some pretty successful things were built in garages.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-10 11:00:27 AM
So was Amazon.com.
 
2013-10-10 11:32:41 AM
So THAT'S where the death panels are.
 
2013-10-10 11:35:18 AM
Before:
upload.wikimedia.org

After:
media.glassdoor.com
 
2013-10-10 11:47:19 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Before:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

After:
[media.glassdoor.com image 500x332]


And that's just after selling a printer cartridge.
 
2013-10-10 12:08:18 PM
But I thought hiring private contractors to do everything was the way Republicans wanted our government to work?
 
2013-10-10 12:11:08 PM
Tag is for the headline?
 
2013-10-10 12:17:57 PM
12 engineers were able to build this in a garage! With a box of scraps!
 
2013-10-10 12:26:59 PM
Sounds bootstrappy as f*ck to me.
 
2013-10-10 12:27:01 PM
If you read the article, you'll find that the "garage" part, built with open source tools, is the only part of the site that's actually working.

It's the closed-source stuff built on Microsoft server by a private contractor (who got the contract using a sh*t-ton of lawyers) that isn't working.
 
2013-10-10 12:31:08 PM
The site is pretty bad. I waited until midnight to sign up after finding it did not work during the day. And it was still really slow and timed out a lot.

It took a very long time, but I did manage to apply and see the actual plans and costs. I haven't picked a plan yet, I want to study the options more.
 
2013-10-10 12:37:00 PM
How difficult, really, could it have been to roll this out over the course of a few days? Break it up any number of ways... Time zone over four days? Alphabetical over a week or two?

/sorry I am sure if this has been discussed already.
 
2013-10-10 12:38:05 PM

jaytkay: The site is pretty bad. I waited until midnight to sign up after finding it did not work during the day. And it was still really slow and timed out a lot.

It took a very long time, but I did manage to apply and see the actual plans and costs. I haven't picked a plan yet, I want to study the options more.


Colorado's health care site worked fine for me.  I'm still studying the plans, though (I'm stuck in the married filing separately trap)
 
2013-10-10 12:48:47 PM
the backend is the hard part.  wtf!

i design pretty, look it work.

this country, fark it.
 
2013-10-10 01:03:23 PM
I tried to look at family plans and rates, but last time I looked at my application, It somehow replicated my wife and kids three times, and our incomes of 40k + 30k= an income of a negative $700 a month.

And as for the BS about load, I've tried at some very off hour times and it hasn't changed how farked up things are. Oh, and I even tried calling. I got someone who's answer was "it's not working right now, try latter."
 
2013-10-10 01:24:16 PM

jaytkay: The site is pretty bad. I waited until midnight to sign up after finding it did not work during the day. And it was still really slow and timed out a lot.

It took a very long time, but I did manage to apply and see the actual plans and costs. I haven't picked a plan yet, I want to study the options more.


I signed up, but never got the confirmation email. Don't see an option to resend, either.
 
2013-10-10 01:36:41 PM

BigBooper: I tried to look at family plans and rates, but last time I looked at my application, It somehow replicated my wife and kids three times, and our incomes of 40k + 30k= an income of a negative $700 a month.

And as for the BS about load, I've tried at some very off hour times and it hasn't changed how farked up things are. Oh, and I even tried calling. I got someone who's answer was "it's not working right now, try latter."


I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.
 
2013-10-10 01:52:41 PM
If you're looking for answers about healthcare reform on FARK, you might as well just kill yourself already.
 
2013-10-10 01:56:09 PM
I was halfway expecting the contractor to be EA.
 
2013-10-10 01:57:36 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Would like a word about dissing garage stuff.
 
2013-10-10 02:18:55 PM

Luse: I was halfway expecting the contractor to be EA.




EA's executives would be doing swan dives from the roof if they farked up a launch that big that perfectly.
All the politics and attention being focused on this one thing, you'd think "Don't fark up" would be the order of the day.
 
2013-10-10 02:35:10 PM
way south:

EA's executives would be doing swan dives from the roof if they farked up a launch that big that perfectly.

SimCity?
 
2013-10-10 03:08:41 PM

YodaTuna: way south:

EA's executives would be doing swan dives from the roof if they farked up a launch that big that perfectly.

SimCity?




More like a battlefield sequel going tits up.

Sim city didn't command much attention until after it failed, and mainly because people hated on origin.
People were watching Obamacare like hawks from the get go and wanted to find flaws.

Fortunately for them it doesn't disappoint.
 
2013-10-10 03:29:21 PM

firefly212: BigBooper: I tried to look at family plans and rates, but last time I looked at my application, It somehow replicated my wife and kids three times, and our incomes of 40k + 30k= an income of a negative $700 a month.

And as for the BS about load, I've tried at some very off hour times and it hasn't changed how farked up things are. Oh, and I even tried calling. I got someone who's answer was "it's not working right now, try latter."

I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.


Video games are glitchy as hell because the game playing fanbase is okay with that.  They purchase glitchy games, complain and then continue to repurchase glitchy games in the future.  Not much reason to spend more time and money fixing them.

That's world's apart from what we have here.  This is a government run site, where people are legally mandated to use it.  The bar should be substantially higher.  Comparing it to something as trivial as a video game, cell phone, car smell, is pretty insulting.  MS Word screwing with my layout isn't the same as my pacemaker not working.  This site is certainly somewhere in the middle.
 
2013-10-10 03:54:12 PM
They built it in a, in a GARAGE. OUT OF SCRAPS!
 
2013-10-10 04:02:53 PM
I'm not worried about it being built in a garage. I'm worried about Experian doing the ID verification. They enough errors on my credit report that I could not verify my ID online.
 
2013-10-10 04:27:08 PM
So, anyone want to compare amounts of tries just to get their marketplace account set up?

//made it to 13 or 14 times before it finally went through.
 
2013-10-10 04:28:33 PM
FTA:

"Our main contribution is the home page," Gundersen said.

Development Seed and CGI used different technology to power their parts of the site. That means that clicking on different buttons - "Apply Now" versus "Start Here" - will take you to vast sites that essentially speak different languages.


Front end... So, it took a team of 12 engineers to skin a front page and make a general FAQ section? No server side coding done by them at all, they didn't build shiat.
 
2013-10-10 05:02:50 PM

Tenatra: FTA:

"Our main contribution is the home page," Gundersen said.

Development Seed and CGI used different technology to power their parts of the site. That means that clicking on different buttons - "Apply Now" versus "Start Here" - will take you to vast sites that essentially speak different languages.

Front end... So, it took a team of 12 engineers to skin a front page and make a general FAQ section? No server side coding done by them at all, they didn't build shiat.


Well, it only took one. But they decided to invoice for the other 11 anyways..

//this is a government project..
 
2013-10-10 05:44:04 PM

Pincy: But I thought hiring private contractors to do everything was the way Republicans wanted our government to work?


I'm all in favor of turning this over to government employees, spread across 441 Congressional and non-voting districts. That way it'll never come online.
 
2013-10-10 05:48:34 PM

firefly212: BigBooper: I tried to look at family plans and rates, but last time I looked at my application, It somehow replicated my wife and kids three times, and our incomes of 40k + 30k= an income of a negative $700 a month.

And as for the BS about load, I've tried at some very off hour times and it hasn't changed how farked up things are. Oh, and I even tried calling. I got someone who's answer was "it's not working right now, try latter."

I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.


If a system faceplant like this had happened under a Republican administration, you'd be howling for their blood and not blandly saying, "Chill out, problems are to be expected, it'll be fine by March."
 
2013-10-10 08:27:15 PM

jjorsett: firefly212: BigBooper: I tried to look at family plans and rates, but last time I looked at my application, It somehow replicated my wife and kids three times, and our incomes of 40k + 30k= an income of a negative $700 a month.

And as for the BS about load, I've tried at some very off hour times and it hasn't changed how farked up things are. Oh, and I even tried calling. I got someone who's answer was "it's not working right now, try latter."

I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.

If a system faceplant like this had happened under a Republican administration, you'd be howling for their blood and not blandly saying, "Chill out, problems are to be expected, it'll be fine by March


I'm pretty sure under a Republican administration, people were saying "chill out, problems are to be expected, the insurgency will be done by March" at some point. Being persistent and not giving up is a good thing if your goal is worthwhile.
 
2013-10-10 08:43:13 PM
Buncha monkies coding on typewriters, that's what it is.
 
2013-10-10 09:04:43 PM
Having dealt with CGI on another large scale project where they ended up purchasing the company that made the prior system just to get part of their system to work, I am not surprised how they screwed up this project.
 
2013-10-10 09:31:06 PM

Pincy: But I thought hiring private contractors to do everything was the way Republicans wanted our government to work?


Pssst... Republicans weren't involved.  You Libs contracted it out.
 
2013-10-10 09:36:19 PM
firefly212:
I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.

LOL... they had 3 years and spent something like $680 million dollars.  That's okay, it's only money.
 
2013-10-10 09:44:02 PM

jaytkay: The site is pretty bad. I waited until midnight to sign up after finding it did not work during the day. And it was still really slow and timed out a lot.

It took a very long time, but I did manage to apply and see the actual plans and costs. I haven't picked a plan yet, I want to study the options more.


Well it's certainly not slow now. I just loaded it and it opened without delay. Clicked a few links and they also opened without delay.
 
2013-10-10 09:45:54 PM
 that video games are glitchy as hell at launch,

I was snarky before, but then I re-read your comment and realized what an idiot you are. First, not all video games are "glitchy as hell on launch day"  Second, You DO realize that a videogame that runs ON a computer has to deal with all kinds of layers of 3rd party hardware and drivers, right?

The government website is a website..you know, HTML, PHP some javascript... THEIR code is running on THEIR hardware.

If you can't see this shake out like this:

1) "We'll get it to work"
2) "Okay, we can't get it to work perfectly, but...we need more money"
3) "Okay, we threw money at it, but we still can't get it to work..its too complex"
4) "Hey...let's try Single Payer"
 
2013-10-10 10:34:48 PM

way south: Luse: I was halfway expecting the contractor to be EA.

EA's executives would be doing swan dives from the roof if they farked up a launch that big that perfectly.
All the politics and attention being focused on this one thing, you'd think "Don't fark up" would be the order of the day.


The6502Man: firefly212:
I too am shocked that an IT project aimed at enrolling nearly 80  million people didn't work right in the first week. Seriously though, you have until March to get in the open enrollment, and if you're shocked at rollout difficulties, you're probably also shocked that the sun comes up in the morning, that video games are glitchy as hell at launch, and that new cars have a distinctive odor to them.

LOL... they had 3 years and spent something like $680 million dollars.  That's okay, it's only money.


Exactly. Lots of money wasted, because Obama, like a lot of people, couldn't believe the Republicans governors wouldn't set up their own exchanges like rational executives. I mean, who could believe even Republicans would be that stupid?
 
2013-10-11 02:40:40 AM

jaytkay: The site is pretty bad. I waited until midnight to sign up after finding it did not work during the day. And it was still really slow and timed out a lot.

It took a very long time, but I did manage to apply and see the actual plans and costs. I haven't picked a plan yet, I want to study the options more.


Anyone who logs on or creates an account is an ignoramus!!!  The evil Obama empire will make you regret it.  MARK MY WORDS!!!!
 
2013-10-11 02:55:09 AM

Mr.Insightful: If you read the article, you'll find that the "garage" part, built with open source tools, is the only part of the site that's actually working.

It's the closed-source stuff built on Microsoft server by a private contractor (who got the contract using a sh*t-ton of lawyers) that isn't working.


Which isn't too surprising really.  *NIX's whole reputation is that it takes effort to get going but ones its rolling it can be left to its own devices for great lengths of time.  Microsoft's is generally the reverse; quick to get rolling but requires attention a lot of the time.

Then you remove all the non-essential workers due to a shutdown of government and unsurprisingly those old stereotypes turn out to be somewhat true; including government contractors being crap.
 
2013-10-11 11:40:09 AM

Mr.Insightful: If you read the article, you'll find that the "garage" part, built with open source tools, is the only part of the site that's actually working.

It's the closed-source stuff built on Microsoft server by a private contractor (who got the contract using a sh*t-ton of lawyers) that isn't working.


The "garage" part is delivering static web content. That's something that's really easy to deliver, easy to scale... you can put it on one of the clouds like Azure or EC2 and add more capacity on demand, if you got your numbers wrong. You hardly have to test that for load at all, except in the most simple ways.

The back end part is having to work with various services, store data etc. Testing load on that is a biatch.

Not saying it wasn't a cockup, but most of the stuff I work on, the front-end side is tiny compared to the back-end.
 
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