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(Huffington Post)   The subordinates of the Catholic Church start "correcting" the head of the Catholic Church. This is not a repeat from 33 AD   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 35
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2013-10-10 09:22:14 AM
Better pass a papal law stating that hammers and nails are not to be used as replacements for post it notes.
 
2013-10-10 09:24:58 AM
Like the way Grady in the Shining "corrected" his daughters?
 
2013-10-10 09:26:28 AM
Meh. Silly non-story is silly.
 
2013-10-10 09:28:08 AM
Religion + Superstition + $$$$$

All you need to know about that.
 
2013-10-10 09:28:31 AM
Pope Francis? More like Pope Awesome. He will be remembered as the Pope that either brought Catholicism into the 21st century or the Pope that was assassinated by a crazed fundamentalist.
 
2013-10-10 09:29:20 AM
Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?
 
2013-10-10 09:32:42 AM

johnperkins: Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?


As I understand it, the Pope needs to actually invoke/declare infallibility on a particular statement. It's not like everything he says is infallible.
=Smidge=
 
2013-10-10 09:32:50 AM
Well, he is a willful Pope.

A *very* willful Pope.
 
2013-10-10 09:35:45 AM

zeroman987: Pope Francis? More like Pope Awesome. He will be remembered as the Pope that either brought Catholicism into the 21st century or the Pope that was assassinated by a crazed fundamentalist.


Events of equal significance. If the rest of the world continues toward a European level of prosperity, the church will wither away the way state-sponsored churches have in most of northern Europe. People who are achieving their goals in life don't tend to worry as much about the after life (or kids).
 
2013-10-10 09:36:32 AM

Thirty Foot Smurf: Well, he is a willful Pope.

A *very* willful Pope.


He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
 
2013-10-10 09:39:41 AM

Smidge204: johnperkins: Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?

As I understand it, the Pope needs to actually invoke/declare infallibility on a particular statement. It's not like everything he says is infallible.
=Smidge=


You are correct in that there are specific circumstances where the Pope is considered "infallible" by the followers. It isn't a constant state.

/Former Catholic
//I got better...now and agnostic atheist
 
2013-10-10 09:40:50 AM

Cortez the Killer: Smidge204: johnperkins: Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?

As I understand it, the Pope needs to actually invoke/declare infallibility on a particular statement. It's not like everything he says is infallible.
=Smidge=

You are correct in that there are specific circumstances where the Pope is considered "infallible" by the followers. It isn't a constant state.

/Former Catholic
//I got better...now and agnostic atheist


Fixed
 
2013-10-10 09:41:12 AM
Right off the top, #1 and #3 have nothing to do with the topic here of Pope vs Doctrine.

Maybe the media has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to religion and their attempts to mischaracterize the Pope is what the Papacy is trying to correct.

#2) "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

Redeemed everyone doesn't mean everyone is going to heaven, it just means everyone isn't automatically damned anymore. Church teach was that prior to Jesus even good people went to hell because of sin. After Jesus died he went to hell and freed all the good people there and took them to heaven. So in this case Pope Francis' comments are not in any way, shape or form a deviation from Church doctrine. There are just a bunch of morons writing about it who have no idea what Church doctrine is.

#4) Francis urged the church to "strip" itself of its worldy attachment to wealth during his Oct. 4 trip to Assisi and focus instead on the basics of Christ's teachings.

Stripping of attachment to money is completely different from stripping ones self of money. For example, complaining about the gap between rich and poor is attachment to money. The Pope here is urging people to stop thinking about money and to stop being concerned with who has or does not have money.

''It makes me sad when I find sisters who aren't joyful," he lamented during his Oct. 4 visit to a cloistered convent in Assisi. "They might smile, but with just a smile they could be flight attendants!"

There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of Biblical references to rejoicing in the Lord. Utterly in line with doctrine here.
 
2013-10-10 09:41:24 AM
Perhaps the subordinates and fundy Catholics should pull their rosary out of their asses and listen to the adult in the room talk.
 
2013-10-10 09:42:15 AM

Smidge204: johnperkins: Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?

As I understand it, the Pope needs to actually invoke/declare infallibility on a particular statement. It's not like everything he says is infallible.
=Smidge=


Ah.  Still seems odd to have clarifications/corrections.
 
2013-10-10 09:44:09 AM

mbillips: zeroman987: Pope Francis? More like Pope Awesome. He will be remembered as the Pope that either brought Catholicism into the 21st century or the Pope that was assassinated by a crazed fundamentalist.

Events of equal significance. If the rest of the world continues toward a European level of prosperity, the church will wither away the way state-sponsored churches have in most of northern Europe. People who are achieving their goals in life don't tend to worry as much about the after life (or kids).


"...(or kids)."  ??

Do you mean they might stop molesting children?  I don't see the connection.
 
2013-10-10 09:46:32 AM
Bernard Rothman, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
2013-10-10 09:54:53 AM
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2013-10-10 09:55:04 AM

Bullseyed: Right off the top, #1 and #3 have nothing to do with the topic here of Pope vs Doctrine.

Maybe the media has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to religion and their attempts to mischaracterize the Pope is what the Papacy is trying to correct.

#2) "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

Redeemed everyone doesn't mean everyone is going to heaven, it just means everyone isn't automatically damned anymore. Church teach was that prior to Jesus even good people went to hell because of sin. After Jesus died he went to hell and freed all the good people there and took them to heaven. So in this case Pope Francis' comments are not in any way, shape or form a deviation from Church doctrine. There are just a bunch of morons writing about it who have no idea what Church doctrine is.

#4) Francis urged the church to "strip" itself of its worldy attachment to wealth during his Oct. 4 trip to Assisi and focus instead on the basics of Christ's teachings.

Stripping of attachment to money is completely different from stripping ones self of money. For example, complaining about the gap between rich and poor is attachment to money. The Pope here is urging people to stop thinking about money and to stop being concerned with who has or does not have money.

''It makes me sad when I find sisters who aren't joyful," he lamented during his Oct. 4 visit to a cloistered convent in Assisi. "They might smile, but with just a smile they could be flight attendants!"

There are hundreds or perhaps thousands of Biblical references to rejoicing in the Lord. Utterly in line with doctrine here.


Flight attendant nuns? So they beat your ass with a large ruler if you ask for more peanuts?
 
2013-10-10 09:55:27 AM
We the Catholic church hereby declare that the pope is infallible on issues of faith.

Unless he goes off message, then he's just another heretic to be silenced and marginalized.

How do sane people even believe in this crap in the modern age?
 
2013-10-10 09:56:33 AM

zeroman987: Pope Francis? More like Pope Awesome. He will be remembered as the Pope that either brought Catholicism into the 21st century or the Pope that was assassinated by a crazed fundamentalist.

 
2013-10-10 10:00:30 AM

johnperkins: Either you believe he is infallible or you believe he needs correcting.  Which is it?


It seems to be whatever they say it is, and it's adjustable.  There's nothing to be gained by trying to make sense of it.

If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
 
2013-10-10 10:09:52 AM
Now they're discovering how hard it is to live by the notion that the pope speaks with the infallible voice of god. I guess that was easier when the pope was always a humorless old coont who believed everyrhing they did. Never seems to occur to them that this might be their God's way of saying "hey you got a few things wrong guys, let me clarify".
 
2013-10-10 10:13:22 AM
Francis said: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!"

Universal Reconciliation.  The doctrine of the Church the first 500 years.  In order to hold its power and wealth, this doctrine was changed to "only the Roman Catholic Church can provide salvation".

Bloody Papists
 
2013-10-10 10:23:58 AM

arbitterm: Now they're discovering how hard it is to live by the notion that the pope speaks with the infallible voice of god. I guess that was easier when the pope was always a humorless old coont who believed everyrhing they did. Never seems to occur to them that this might be their God's way of saying "hey you got a few things wrong guys, let me clarify".


He's only infallible on matters of doctrine. If he's just shooting the shiat with the lads at a pool game he isn't.

That doesn't change the fact that it's the largest child rape organisation in history and a two thousand year old force for evil in the world.
 
2013-10-10 10:32:48 AM
no god, only religion

-spiritualized, 2001
 
2013-10-10 10:37:37 AM
Ahhh, the old boys club is panicking because they know their time is short. Those drunk with power and corruption are desperate to cling to it.
 
2013-10-10 10:59:07 AM

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2013-10-10 11:07:09 AM

Bullseyed: After Jesus died he went to hell and freed all the good people there and took them to heaven.


Interesting...the Catholic church does actually teach this. Not something you find in any of the reformed denominations I'm familiar with.
 
2013-10-10 11:13:29 AM
Reminded of this
www.atheistmemebase.com
 
2013-10-10 11:36:28 AM

Tigger: arbitterm: Now they're discovering how hard it is to live by the notion that the pope speaks with the infallible voice of god. I guess that was easier when the pope was always a humorless old coont who believed everyrhing they did. Never seems to occur to them that this might be their God's way of saying "hey you got a few things wrong guys, let me clarify".

He's only infallible on matters of doctrine. If he's just shooting the shiat with the lads at a pool game he isn't.

That doesn't change the fact that it's the largest child rape organisation in history and a two thousand year old force for evil in the world.


What is it, Dark Force from Phantasy Star?

You don't WANT to know the ACTUAL largest child rape organization in the world.
 
2013-10-10 12:03:48 PM
Poor little cardinals and bishops getting their panties in a twist over this. The big guy is leading with vision, talking about doing good deeds and being good people, and all these guys can do is whine about not harping on the very practices that were driving people away.
 
2013-10-10 12:29:04 PM

Fano: Tigger: arbitterm: Now they're discovering how hard it is to live by the notion that the pope speaks with the infallible voice of god. I guess that was easier when the pope was always a humorless old coont who believed everyrhing they did. Never seems to occur to them that this might be their God's way of saying "hey you got a few things wrong guys, let me clarify".

He's only infallible on matters of doctrine. If he's just shooting the shiat with the lads at a pool game he isn't.

That doesn't change the fact that it's the largest child rape organisation in history and a two thousand year old force for evil in the world.

What is it, Dark Force from Phantasy Star?

You don't WANT to know the ACTUAL largest child rape organization in the world.


Oh what is it?
 
2013-10-10 12:54:48 PM
Why do I go to huffpo for religion articles? Why? It's like going to an obamacare exchange expecting to get a better insurance plan than I have now, but cheaper (as it was advertised).

He hasn't said anything controversial (although I preferred Benedict XVI myself). The media whores who want to change the religion are spinning things he says their way in hopes that repeating the lie often enough makes it the truth. They have been sucessful at it before, so they figure why not?
 
2013-10-10 01:59:01 PM

arbitterm: Now they're discovering how hard it is to live by the notion that the pope speaks with the infallible voice of god. I guess that was easier when the pope was always a humorless old coont who believed everyrhing they did. Never seems to occur to them that this might be their God's way of saying "hey you got a few things wrong guys, let me clarify".


Not an expert here, but as I understand it on most matters to invoke true infallibility the pope must also be speaking ex cathedra - i.e. what amounts to an official "I'm talking for the whole church here, these are the rules, obey ya mooks!" as opposed to simply his personal opinion.  True whether its his personal opinion as the Pope, or his personal opinion as a person.

So... yeah.  I have yet to see him get official with this stuff in any big way.  Until that time, it is (while still highly influential and a good thing to see) the opinion of the head of an organization, not the organization as a whole.  Deathly important distinction in the case of Catholicism, as it lets him say these things without necessarily committing the entire church and all believers to change things to agree forthwith.

/hope he DOES start ex-ing the cathedra on a lot of this
//hope he'd live through more than 10 minutes of attempting to do so "/
 
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