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(Reuters)   Panasonic's TV business is on life support. Even a plasma transfusion has not helped   (reuters.com) divider line 39
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2013-10-10 09:49:58 AM  
Looks like they may need to pull the plug.
 
2013-10-10 09:52:00 AM  
That's too bad, they were generally well reviewed and affordable. Typically a step up from something like a Vizio but at the same price point.
 
2013-10-10 10:11:49 AM  
Headline is win. Miss my Polaroid tv though
 
2013-10-10 10:16:21 AM  
I was reading the thread on this over at avsforums, and people are speculating that Panasonic is moving full-on into OLED. And don't see a point in keeping plasma around, when it has a low profit yield. Makes sense I guess. Too bad OLED's are like $10k right now (and curved for some stupid reason). I'm a plasma guy, and am just drooling at the thought of a 60" 4K OLED.


/dnrtfa
 
2013-10-10 10:27:59 AM  

rtaylor92: That's too bad, they were generally well reviewed and affordable. Typically a step up from something like a Vizio but at the same price point.


Yeah, I've been very happy with mine.
 
2013-10-10 10:28:54 AM  
They need to make TVs more disposable like cell phones.  Give them gotta have it features.  I have an LG smart TV which is full of "I don't need it" features.

The flatscreen revolution is over.  Everyone has one, they're well made and will last for years.  No one is upgrading for more pixels.
 
2013-10-10 10:38:46 AM  

stuhayes2010: They need to make TVs more disposable like cell phones.  Give them gotta have it features.  I have an LG smart TV which is full of "I don't need it" features.

The flatscreen revolution is over.  Everyone has one, they're well made and will last for years.  No one is upgrading for more pixels.


Like I said above, the next big thing will be OLED and 4K resolution. TV's are like cars. New features generally take a few 'generations' to get worked in. They're in no way like cell phones and never will be.
 
2013-10-10 10:41:20 AM  
OMGWHOTHEHELLCARES.JPG
 
2013-10-10 10:45:39 AM  
My Panasonic plasma was decent for the price (though had I waited a year I could have gotten an LED for the same price) but there are certain colors (blues and greens) it just can't display properly.  Going to try to dump it on Criagslist soon and try to score a decent LED this Black Friday.
 
2013-10-10 10:47:03 AM  
The only surprise to me is that they took this long to do it. Being in the industry, i kept hearing the commercial side was driving their panel production, but sounds like even that has faded. Still curious if they are going to stay in their partnership with sony over oled. The rumors all keep talking about plasma tv's, but don't discuss the overall tv segment. And It was not just the koreans that did them in. For at least the last decade, they have failed to develop a consistent sales channel approach and stick with it. When you keep changing your story to dealers, they are going to tell you to gtfo.
 
2013-10-10 10:48:38 AM  
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I have had the same 50" Panasonic Viera since 2006. I am what some would consider a 'hardcore' gamer too. Between watching TV and the PS3, I could not even fathom the amount of hours my old girl has been on. I have an old PS2 game (Front Mission 4) that has a save file with over 400 hours.

Mind you, I did pay almost $3,000 for it back then. Wow. A bigger Viera with more features and more than 2 HDMI inputs is less than half that now.
 
2013-10-10 10:59:35 AM  
I purchased a Viera a few years ago and, earlier this year, upgraded to a newer model 55" Viera. I love it. I'm disappointed that they won't be available anymore.

I always seemed to like the Vieras over the LG or Vizio products. Samsungs seemed to be quite a bit better (and quite a bit more expensive)
 
2013-10-10 11:58:07 AM  

SovietCanuckistan: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I have had the same 50" Panasonic Viera since 2006. I am what some would consider a 'hardcore' gamer too. Between watching TV and the PS3, I could not even fathom the amount of hours my old girl has been on. I have an old PS2 game (Front Mission 4) that has a save file with over 400 hours.

Mind you, I did pay almost $3,000 for it back then. Wow. A bigger Viera with more features and more than 2 HDMI inputs is less than half that now.


Im reading Fark right now on a 50" Viera. Mine cost $700 on amazon with free two day shipping! Of course that was Christmas 2011. The half-life of a plasma panel is more hours than you could hope to use in a lifetime. Oh and I absolutely bought mine for gaming.
 
2013-10-10 12:23:26 PM  
I used to work in the trade and the Panasonic plasma sets were gorgeous. But LED has come along hugely in the last few years in picture quality, and is cheaper to run and far slimmer in construction. Plus it was a challenge to get plasma cells small enough to get to 1080 on a 42 inch set so with the 4K sets on the horizon I'd imagine they're almost always going to be LED.
 
2013-10-10 12:33:03 PM  
The beauty of the plasma was the true black for watching movies in the dark.  Not having the back light made it such much more enjoyable to.  Not having to worry about sun glare that LCD suffered from, image quality, and general features that came with Plasma was the winner for me and Panasonic always had the best additional hookups for external devices.

I've had two for so many years and see no need to replace, never had the ghosting, took proper care of the devices.  I finally did end up with an LED monitor but so need to change my plasma tvs.
 
2013-10-10 12:40:24 PM  
Bought a Panasonic plasma with airline miles some time ago.  Actually a decent TV as mentioned above.  But hanging that 42 incher on the wall by myself almost killed me.  They are heavier than hell.
 
2013-10-10 12:54:29 PM  

hammettman: Bought a Panasonic plasma with airline miles some time ago.  Actually a decent TV as mentioned above.  But hanging that 42 incher on the wall by myself almost killed me.  They are heavier than hell.


Another advantage of LED. I bought a 40 inch LED a few weeks ago and carried the box out of the store by myself quite happily. And lifted it onto the wall bracket with no trouble.
 
2013-10-10 01:06:12 PM  
I've got a 55 inch VT50 and it's an amazing tv.  I think Panasonic's biggest problem was piss poor advertising and consumer education.  Most people have no idea that a plasma has a native refresh rate at over 600hz, but they jizz their pants over and LED with a refresh rate of 240hz.  The only thing people seem to know about plasma is that it has an image retention issue, which it really doesn't anymore.  Not for the last 4-5 years, anyway.


 As for LED's being "far slimmer in construction", my 55 inch tv is 1.8 inches thick.


If you like watching sports, get a plasma.  If you like watching movies, get a plasma.  If you like watching reality Tv and talk shows, get an LED.

Plasma has better refresh rates, better blacks and better color reproduction and a lower price.  It also puts out a fair bit more heat and uses a lot more electricity, but if you want the best picture you can get, plasma is where it's at.
 
2013-10-10 01:13:46 PM  

debug: If you like watching sports, get a plasma. If you like watching movies, get a plasma.


you spelled projector wrong.
 
2013-10-10 01:15:42 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I bought a 40 inch LED a few weeks ago



doubtful
 
2013-10-10 01:23:22 PM  

Leader O'Cola: debug: If you like watching sports, get a plasma. If you like watching movies, get a plasma.

you spelled projector wrong.


Sure, if you live in a house with a large enough room.  I'll wager that most people do not have the space, money or control over lighting that a projector requires.
 
2013-10-10 01:23:32 PM  

rtaylor92: That's too bad, they were generally well reviewed and affordable. Typically a step up from something like a Vizio but at the same price point.


This. Got a 50'' Panasonic LED for $500+tax a few weeks ago from SEARS. My only issue it aside from the standard inputs, it only has two HDMI. But it doesn have the ASTC or whatever to pick up cable channels broadcast "in the clear".
 
2013-10-10 01:48:26 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Flint Ironstag: I bought a 40 inch LED a few weeks ago


doubtful


Okay, a 40 inch LED TV. I didn't just buy a single 40 inch wide LED.
 
2013-10-10 02:47:13 PM  
I have a 2 year old 55" Panasonic Plasma and love it.  I personally still think DLP TVs are better, but since everyone become obsessed with hanging their farking TVs on the wall that was basically it for DLP unless you go projector which I've never been fond of.
 
2013-10-10 03:06:42 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: I have a 2 year old 55" Panasonic Plasma and love it.  I personally still think DLP TVs are better, but since everyone become obsessed with hanging their farking TVs on the wall that was basically it for DLP unless you go projector which I've never been fond of.


I have a Panasonic Viera and love it.  Also an Epson Powerlite LCD which spanks dlp all over.

You do realize that massive DLP TV is just a projector and some mirrors in a box, right?  Also the bulb replacement costs were insane, even if you went the DIY route and bought just the bare bulb on eBay or whatever.
 
2013-10-10 03:06:47 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: I personally still think DLP TVs are better


My dlp died last year and was replaced by a flat LCD.  It's a nice television but the picture can not touch the dlp.  It had inky blacks.  I miss ol' faithful.  If only I had unplugged her during that storm.
 
2013-10-10 03:47:01 PM  

debug: I've got a 55 inch VT50 and it's an amazing tv.  I think Panasonic's biggest problem was piss poor advertising and consumer education.  Most people have no idea that a plasma has a native refresh rate at over 600hz, but they jizz their pants over and LED with a refresh rate of 240hz.  The only thing people seem to know about plasma is that it has an image retention issue, which it really doesn't anymore.  Not for the last 4-5 years, anyway.


 As for LED's being "far slimmer in construction", my 55 inch tv is 1.8 inches thick.


If you like watching sports, get a plasma.  If you like watching movies, get a plasma.  If you like watching reality Tv and talk shows, get an LED.

Plasma has better refresh rates, better blacks and better color reproduction and a lower price.  It also puts out a fair bit more heat and uses a lot more electricity, but if you want the best picture you can get, plasma is where it's at.


A resounding THIS.

Although one slight correction. Plasma TV's don't need to concern themselves with refresh rates, but to compete they came up with the 600hz thing. And it's because a plasma screen has 10 subfields, which are each rated at 60hz... so 600 overall. But your typical walmart shopper would never understand that, so they marketed them as 600.

Whatever, I don't care what people think or believe, just like you, I know they are the second-best picture possible (OLED now is top, but meh, plasmas still look amazing)
 
2013-10-10 04:16:25 PM  
My Calibrated Pioneer Elite Kuro still one of the best pictures around.
 
2013-10-10 04:37:56 PM  

RottNDude: You do realize that massive DLP TV is just a projector and some mirrors in a box, right?  Also the bulb replacement costs were insane, even if you went the DIY route and bought just the bare bulb on eBay or whatever.


I still have a 720p 50" Samsung DLP that's been relegated to the basement in front of the (equally unused) elliptical my wife bought.  In the 9 years I've had it I replaced the bulb twice.  Both times ordered the bulb off amazon, about 150 and 100 bucks if memory serves.  The bulb replacement costs varied immensely by brand and when you were looking for them, and the belief they were insanely priced was typically the result of stores like Best Buy trying to convince everyone they cost 350 bucks so you'd get the replacement plan that covered the bulb replacement.  Maybe I'm in the minority in thinking $250 in maintenance over nearly a decade is reasonable, but I felt the picture was worth it.  Especially as I kept seeing 1080p LCDs bought by friends during much of that time that couldn't hold a candle to the picture on the 720p DLP.

frepnog: My dlp died last year and was replaced by a flat LCD.  It's a nice television but the picture can not touch the dlp.  It had inky blacks.  I miss ol' faithful.  If only I had unplugged her during that storm.


That's precisely why I held onto mine as long as I did.  I have a VIERA TC-P55ST50 Panasonic plasma that I bought on sale last Summer.  I don't regret it one bit; however, I'd have much preferred a new DLP but they simply were no longer available.  Oh well.  Old technology is old I suppose.
 
2013-10-10 04:57:03 PM  
I finally replaced my old Hitachi rear projection TV with a Panasonic Viera plasma last year and I love it. The picture is amazing, to me LCD looks like crap in comparison.

stuhayes2010: They need to make TVs more disposable like cell phones.


Just what the environment needs.
 
2013-10-10 05:00:26 PM  
Also why is everyone calling LCD TV's LED?
 
2013-10-10 05:13:31 PM  

Hand Banana: Also why is everyone calling LCD TV's LED?


Because most LCD tv's these days are backlit with LED.
 
2013-10-10 05:21:37 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: RottNDude: You do realize that massive DLP TV is just a projector and some mirrors in a box, right?  Also the bulb replacement costs were insane, even if you went the DIY route and bought just the bare bulb on eBay or whatever.

I still have a 720p 50" Samsung DLP that's been relegated to the basement in front of the (equally unused) elliptical my wife bought.  In the 9 years I've had it I replaced the bulb twice.  Both times ordered the bulb off amazon, about 150 and 100 bucks if memory serves.  The bulb replacement costs varied immensely by brand and when you were looking for them, and the belief they were insanely priced was typically the result of stores like Best Buy trying to convince everyone they cost 350 bucks so you'd get the replacement plan that covered the bulb replacement.  Maybe I'm in the minority in thinking $250 in maintenance over nearly a decade is reasonable, but I felt the picture was worth it.  Especially as I kept seeing 1080p LCDs bought by friends during much of that time that couldn't hold a candle to the picture on the 720p DLP.

frepnog: My dlp died last year and was replaced by a flat LCD.  It's a nice television but the picture can not touch the dlp.  It had inky blacks.  I miss ol' faithful.  If only I had unplugged her during that storm.

That's precisely why I held onto mine as long as I did.  I have a VIERA TC-P55ST50 Panasonic plasma that I bought on sale last Summer.  I don't regret it one bit; however, I'd have much preferred a new DLP but they simply were no longer available.  Oh well.  Old technology is old I suppose.



Freaky. I have an old Mitsu 73" DLP in front of a huge elliptical in our basement too, plus an old Bowflex. I really do dig our Samsung 63" plasma. Even though the Mitsu was a good set the picture is not comparable to the Samsung and the mirrors are slowly failing but we watch it via a lengthy HDMI cable and splitter. I just couldn't part with it.
 
2013-10-10 06:13:09 PM  

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Freaky. I have an old Mitsu 73" DLP in front of a huge elliptical in our basement too, plus an old Bowflex. I really do dig our Samsung 63" plasma. Even though the Mitsu was a good set the picture is not comparable to the Samsung and the mirrors are slowly failing but we watch it via a lengthy HDMI cable and splitter. I just couldn't part with it.


Ha.  We have a similar problem with our DLP that finally forced me into getting the plasma.  I'm not sure if it's the mirrors or the processor, but the picture started just going apeshiat from time to time.  I called a few places and couldn't really get anyone that was willing to come out and take a look or they were throwing price quotes at me that were a healthy chunk towards a new TV so I just finally said the hell with it and got the plasma.  The thing is still fine most of the time, but it had no resale value at all and I couldn't stand the thought of setting it out on the curb with the trash.
 
2013-10-10 08:02:08 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Freaky. I have an old Mitsu 73" DLP in front of a huge elliptical in our basement too, plus an old Bowflex. I really do dig our Samsung 63" plasma. Even though the Mitsu was a good set the picture is not comparable to the Samsung and the mirrors are slowly failing but we watch it via a lengthy HDMI cable and splitter. I just couldn't part with it.

Ha.  We have a similar problem with our DLP that finally forced me into getting the plasma.  I'm not sure if it's the mirrors or the processor, but the picture started just going apeshiat from time to time.  I called a few places and couldn't really get anyone that was willing to come out and take a look or they were throwing price quotes at me that were a healthy chunk towards a new TV so I just finally said the hell with it and got the plasma.  The thing is still fine most of the time, but it had no resale value at all and I couldn't stand the thought of setting it out on the curb with the trash.


Yep! Our's is in fact the little microscopic mirrors contained within the DLP engine or whatever. Little black/white squares started popping up on the screen because they 'break' and can't flip on/off, something to that effect. It's still perfectly watchable though. I was going do replace the DLP chip but it was in the range of 7-800 bucks, no thanks.

I'm going downstairs to hug my Samsung...
 
2013-10-11 07:07:00 AM  
But can I still buy a Magnetbox or a Sorny?
 
2013-10-11 08:42:40 AM  
This is sad if there are no more plasma TVs :(. The colour reproduction of a plasma is way better than any LED/LCD I have seen so far.

/Owns a 63" plasma
// had a 1080p 46" LCD before
 
2013-10-11 02:51:01 PM  
I really love my Samsung 55' plasma.  I see no immediate need to replace it.  Properly calibrated, it's fantastic for movies, regular tv, etc..
 
2013-10-11 06:19:17 PM  
We got a 55" Viera about 18 months ago for $900, really happy with it except that the Internet apps have never been updated. I still can't search in the Netflix app, for instance, and the other apps heave never received their updates. I guess this would explain it - their flatscreen business has been just getting by without any updates for months.

Fortunately, the Internet part is easy to fix with a Roku or an Apple TV, but that takes up an HDMI port.
 
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