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(ESPN)   Jacksonville Jaguars, Atlanta Falcons and Oakland Raiders to each play in London in 2014. NFL says those teams are the most similar to the way the English play football - not touching the ball with their hands   (espn.go.com) divider line 45
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2013-10-10 09:05:45 AM
3 games now... sheesh, just give them a team already.  As far as the scheduling,  you can make a special case for them when making the schedule to force their home games to always be weeks 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10 and switch off each year between 14 & 15 or 16 & 17.   Other than the last 2 London home games, the road teams would always have their bye's the week after their London road game.   Given that London should be in an "Eastern Division", their last 2 home games can be made sure to be against divisional foes, so the teams are just returning to the east coast, instead of west coast.

I'd say get to 34, but, that makes for headaches in divisions... you can't make any sort of "even" division structure outside of just having two 17 team conferences.   The next best number is 36... the league can go back to 6 divisions, 6 teams each.   If they up the pay to get the players to play 18 game seasons, then you have 10 games in division, and come up with some rotation of playing the other divisions for the other 8 games (would be more complicated than it is now, but, doable).  The 7-team per conference playoffs becomes 3 division winners and 4 wild cards, which with 6-team divisions, all but eliminates the chances of a 7-9 division winner ever again.   Teams added in London, Los Angeles, Toronto and a 4th either as a 2nd in L.A., or IMO the NFL eventually gets over its aversion to Vegas, and puts a team there, which does extremely well because, not only the locals who have a team, but, a slam dunk that almost everyone for the road teams fans want to make a fan trip to watch their team play in Vegas... an NFL team in Vegas would NEVER be blacked out locally.
 
2013-10-10 09:09:49 AM
*golf clap*
 
2013-10-10 09:38:59 AM
Jaguars and Raiders are definitely auditions for the move.  Which ever team goes has to change their name to 'London Blitz'.
 
2013-10-10 09:42:52 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Jaguars and Raiders are definitely auditions for the move.  Which ever team goes has to change their name to 'London Blitz'.


Probably Jags in that case.... NFL would rather move the Raiders back to LA probably if they had to move somewhere.
 
2013-10-10 09:49:37 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Jaguars and Raiders are definitely auditions for the move.  Which ever team goes has to change their name to 'London Blitz'.


WRONG.

strewth78.webs.com
 
2013-10-10 09:54:10 AM
Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.
 
2013-10-10 09:54:43 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Jaguars and Raiders are definitely auditions for the move.  Which ever team goes has to change their name to 'London Blitz'.


At this point I really think the NFL is looking to expand rather than shuffle.
 
2013-10-10 09:55:07 AM
If they were playing in the English way, the Jaguars and Oakland would have been relegated by now. I suspect that the Jaguars are moving to London, because the owner just bought a Premier League team there.
 
2013-10-10 09:55:56 AM

WhiskeySticks: Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.


Dear WhiskeySticks,

We like looking for more money.

Thanks,
NFL
 
2013-10-10 10:15:07 AM
when i think "marketing the sport to a new audience" i think "jacksonville jaguars"
 
2013-10-10 10:26:32 AM

AdamK: when i think "marketing the sport to a new audience" i think "jacksonville jaguars"


Their game is bound to be an exciting high-scoring affair.
 
2013-10-10 10:42:12 AM

JayCab: AdamK: when i think "marketing the sport to a new audience" i think "jacksonville jaguars"

Their game is bound to be an exciting high-scoring affair.


Hey, 8 safeties are 16 points!
 
2013-10-10 10:44:19 AM
Goodell is just bound and determined to send the golden goose to its death at Hadrian's Wall, isn't he.
 
2013-10-10 10:47:49 AM

dletter: WhiskeySticks: Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.

Dear WhiskeySticks,

We like looking for more money.

Thanks,
NFL


I happen to be in London when the Vikings played the Steelers so I went to the game.  Not only was it a cash cow for the NFL but probably the best environment I have experienced inside an NFL stadium.  Vikings were the "home" team and I guarantee they have not played in front of 80,000+ that were actually cheering for them.  It was a great to see our Football in Wembley.
 
2013-10-10 11:15:45 AM
They should move the Falcons. Atlanta is a hell hole.
 
2013-10-10 11:23:19 AM

dletter: WhiskeySticks: Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.

Dear WhiskeySticks,

We like looking for more money.

Thanks,
NFL


Dear NFL,

You make more money than every African country combined. You can let up on the money grab now.

Unless you're worried about ex-players taking you to the cleaners over concussions.

Thanks.
 
2013-10-10 11:30:41 AM

rabidarmadillo24: If they were playing in the English way, the Jaguars and Oakland would have been relegated by now. I suspect that the Jaguars are moving to London, because the owner just bought a Premier League team there.


They signed a deal to play a game in London every year for 4 years (this season is year 1)

There was an article a few days before the Steelers/Vikings game about how they were trying to label the Jags as London's "home team"

The groundwork is being laid.

Scheduling is actually kinda easy if you think about it.

Weeks 1-3 on the road, 4-11 at home, bye week 12, 13-17 on the road again. Each team that comes over gets a bye after their game.
 
2013-10-10 11:34:50 AM

rabidarmadillo24: If they were playing in the English way, the Jaguars and Oakland would have been relegated by now. I suspect that the Jaguars are moving to London, because the owner just bought a Premier League team there.


I don't see why buying a Premier League team is an indication that the team is moving.  How exactly does owning Fulham help him get an NFL team in London?  What benefit does Fulham provide to a London NFL team or vice versa?  The Buccaneers guy owns a Premier League team too (not one in London, though) and no one thinks he's going to move the Buccaneers to London.
 
2013-10-10 11:43:51 AM

dletter: WhiskeySticks: Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.

Dear WhiskeySticks,

We like looking for more money.

Thanks,
NFL


Dear NFL,

When is enough, enough?

Thanks.

P.S. Please tell the Jaguars to fix their helmets.
 
2013-10-10 12:02:19 PM

WhiskeySticks: dletter: WhiskeySticks: Dear NFL,

Please stop with all this London crap.

Thanks.

Dear WhiskeySticks,

We like looking for more money.

Thanks,
NFL

Dear NFL,

When is enough, enough?

Thanks.

P.S. Please tell the Jaguars to fix their helmets.


Dear WhiskeySticks,

If you have to ask that question, then you don't understand human nature.

Thanks
 
2013-10-10 12:19:25 PM
No matter what FARK sez, I seriously doubt the NFL has London on its' priority list in the near future.  They have way too many problems to consider first:

1.  Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles
2   Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams
3.  Impending lawsuits from ex-players and their families over concussions and other health issues
4.  A diminishing source of new players in the coming decade or so

Expanding to London?  WAY down on the to-do list if the NFL plans to be around for the next 25 years.  But don't let this stop the outrage.
 
2013-10-10 12:42:02 PM

JayCab: AdamK: when i think "marketing the sport to a new audience" i think "jacksonville jaguars"

Their game is bound to be an exciting high-scoring affair.


The Brits are used to sitting around for four hours, watching a scoreless game. Jags should fit right in.
 
2013-10-10 01:01:19 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: No matter what FARK sez, I seriously doubt the NFL has London on its' priority list in the near future.  They have way too many problems to consider first:

1.  Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles
2   Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams


I don't think the London thing will happen either, but it seems to me that problem 1 solves problem 2.
 
2013-10-10 01:09:16 PM

llortcM_yllort: Dr. Kefarkian: No matter what FARK sez, I seriously doubt the NFL has London on its' priority list in the near future.  They have way too many problems to consider first:

1.  Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles
2   Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams

I don't think the London thing will happen either, but it seems to me that problem 1 solves problem 2.


The Dr. is saying that LA would be team 33, so we'd need to add a 34 somewhere else. I think it's more likely a team would move there than expansion would take place.

Dr. Kefarkian: 3. Impending lawsuits from ex-players and their families over concussions and other health issues


Hasn't this been taken care of, or are you thinking some players/families would opt out of the other settlement?

Dr. Kefarkian: 4. A diminishing source of new players in the coming decade or so


I don't see this as an issue. I think safety will improve (better helmets, stricter rules) enough and the money is reason enough that there will always be plenty of players. Look at states like TX (this isn't a knock on the state at all) - it's like a religion down there. The concussion problem will be solved in a way that lets the game continue.
 
2013-10-10 01:10:05 PM

llortcM_yllort: Dr. Kefarkian: No matter what FARK sez, I seriously doubt the NFL has London on its' priority list in the near future.  They have way too many problems to consider first:

1.  Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles
2   Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams

I don't think the London thing will happen either, but it seems to me that problem 1 solves problem 2.


The thing is though, an "even" 34 teams does not divide up well into divisions at all.   24, 28, 30, 32, 36 are the best numbers to be at.   The league has been at 32 for 10+ seasons, and it has set up a very predictable, mostly "fair" way of setting up the schedules (despite obvious differences in SOS because of which divisions you play each year.... every team plays 4 1st place, 4 2nd, 4 3rd and 4 4th place teams every year).   You go to 34, now you have 4 5-team divisions and 4 4-team... or 5/6/6 going back to 3 divisions, and you have uneven number of divisional games again, etc.   I think the NFL is very hesitant to expand, without having a clear and quick plan to get up to 36 teams.
 
2013-10-10 01:11:40 PM
The London NFL games for football fans are pretty much like the MLS for soccer fans.

I say put in a Euro division.
 
2013-10-10 01:18:22 PM

MugzyBrown: The London NFL games for football fans are pretty much like the MLS for soccer fans.

I say put in a Euro division.


that was a miserable and abject failure on galactic levels.  Let's never speak of it again.
 
2013-10-10 01:26:32 PM
The NFL is vastly overestimating the appeal of their product in London. Sure, they can sell out games when they're rarities, but 2 exhibitions + 8 regular season games? No way. They're delusional if they think armored wankball is ever going to come close to the real football or rugby in terms of appeal.

Dr. Kefarkian:

1. Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles


Isn't it obvious by now that the NFL is in no hurry to put a team here? The City of Los Angeles is not going to be idiots like the bumpkins in Minneapolis and hand wealthy men hundreds of millions of dollars so they can build a stadium that will be used about a dozen times a year. The one proposal that actually seemed to be possible, the AEG/Farmers Field proposal, is de facto dead in the water now that Tim Leiweke is not at AEG but in Toronto. The NLF *loves* that they can dangle Los Angeles in front of other cities as a way to extort money out of places like Atlanta.

2 Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams

Why would they want 34 teams? 32 is perfect in terms of 4 divisions of 4 teams each in each conference.
 
2013-10-10 01:44:30 PM

MugzyBrown: The London NFL games for football fans are pretty much like the MLS for soccer fans.

I say put in a Euro division.


That was what led to this. We began with the World League of American Football, which did have a European division alongside two North American divisions. That failed. That led to NFL Europe. That failed. That led into this. The NFL simply will not accept that Europe will not support a franchise or that oodles and oodles of players would retire before they played for one.
 
2013-10-10 01:46:50 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: MugzyBrown: The London NFL games for football fans are pretty much like the MLS for soccer fans.

I say put in a Euro division.

that was a miserable and abject failure on galactic levels.  Let's never speak of it again.


The reason why it was a failure though was IMO primarily because an "off-season" league designed primarily for "development" is not going to be very effective running during the offseason of the league it is supposed to be developing... you can't bring in players who are improving at that moment, etc.   The other three main sports have successful "minor league" systems, and they all run concurrent with the major leagues season.  Yes, there is also "winter league baseball" and "summer league NBA", but, those are not the main minor league systems in place.

The NFL has NOT tried yet to get up a "UFL" style league that is actually running in the late summer/fall, during NFL camps and the first 12-14 weeks of the NFL season.   Yes, the CFL basically has that schedule, but, the rules are somewhat different, and their isn't any "direct" relationship for player movement with the CFL.

The NFL could have a 16 team league, with 8 teams US side in smaller markets (the old standbys for a league like this... Birmingham, S.A., Portland, Sacramento, etc.  Omaha showed they could support a team in the UFL), 8 teams European... they don't play each other though until their championship game, it would be like the two baseball AAA leagues.... playing during basically the CFL timeframe (maybe shifted a bit more, Aug to Mid Dec).   The NFL has to be going into it though not expecting much revenue wise... they'll probably show a Wednesday night game on NFL network every week, and have some local deals, but, otherwise, this has to be looked at primarily as something that can work with 8-15,000 attendance, much like minor league baseball.

I think teams with direct lines to teams of local interest to those areas, and with good expectations (not like what must have been obviously expected with the WLAF, having budgets that obviously dictated having 20-25k a game), the NFL could have a viable "minor league" system.   Everyone says that is the NCAA, but, it isn't... that is their "pre-pro" system.     Arena & CFL have enough rules changes that they are not really "training" players for the NFL.
 
2013-10-10 01:51:19 PM

dletter: the NFL could have a viable "minor league" system.


Anything that would get the NFL closer to being able to enable relegation & promotion would be awesome.

/yeah yeah, I know.
 
2013-10-10 02:11:29 PM

wjllope: dletter: the NFL could have a viable "minor league" system.

Anything that would get the NFL closer to being able to enable relegation & promotion would be awesome.

/yeah yeah, I know.


In my mind, the whole relegation/promotion that "works" in European soccer, is because of (A) tradition and (B) proximity of the teams.   I mean, the NFL could split up the Conferences to actually NOT play each other, and send teams up/down between conferences based on that type of system.  But, a team that is consistently in the "AFC" (lets assume the NFC is the top conference, and AFC is the bottom, based on NFL being older than the AFL)... would their team value drop so much to be not worth it?    The US audience is just not used to it enough that the AFC wouldn't be seen as a "minor league" essentially, even if that isn't how it should be interpreted.   Let's say with baseball, you'd have to do it between the AL & NL... you can't bring in AAA.... half of the AAA markets are not "MLB" revenue generating markets... and you can't bring up a team into MLB baseball with a 14k seat stadium.... the major leagues in the US are based on having major league sized markets, outside of a very few small examples (and GB is effectively the MIlwaukee/all of eastern WI team).   Again, Euro soccer works differently in those regards because of a difference in culture and business expectations I am guessing.
 
2013-10-10 02:18:23 PM
Can the NFL give fans in the UK a scoreless tie like they can expect in soccer?
 
2013-10-10 02:20:36 PM

macdaddy357: Can the NFL give fans in the UK a scoreless tie like they can expect in soccer?


We should ask Donovan McNabb.
 
2013-10-10 02:25:41 PM

macdaddy357: Can the NFL give fans in the UK a scoreless tie like they can expect in soccer?


If we were sending over the Giants with Jacksonville, we might have found out.
 
2013-10-10 02:33:32 PM
Add my vote in the column for expanding the league to Mexico first. For one thing, the travel would be easier. The second point is that Mexico actually has a ton of fans of American football teams. Also, half their population is in the process of coming up here anyways. We won't be absorbing the population of England (again) any time soon.
 
2013-10-10 02:55:05 PM

Henry Holland: Dr. Kefarkian:

1. Putting a team in the second largest TV market in the country, that would be Los Angeles

Isn't it obvious by now that the NFL is in no hurry to put a team here? The City of Los Angeles is not going to be idiots like the bumpkins in Minneapolis and hand wealthy men hundreds of millions of dollars so they can build a stadium that will be used about a dozen times a year. The one proposal that actually seemed to be possible, the AEG/Farmers Field proposal, is de facto dead in the water now that Tim Leiweke is not at AEG but in Toronto. The NLF *loves* that they can dangle Los Angeles in front of other cities as a way to extort money out of places like Atlanta.


You really have no idea how stupid people with vast, inexhaustible amounts of money are.  Two words:  Planet Hollywood.  Yes, that was a thing, failed miserably, and people forked over truckloads of cash for it.  LA did it once, it will do it again.

Henry Holland: 2 Putting yet another expansion team in some city somewhere to make it an even 34 teams

Why would they want 34 teams? 32 is perfect in terms of 4 divisions of 4 teams each in each conference.


I know you were told there would be no math, but c'mon man ... at least make an effort to keep up with the conversation.
 
2013-10-10 03:30:18 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: You really have no idea how stupid people with vast, inexhaustible amounts of money are.  Two words:  Planet Hollywood.  Yes, that was a thing, failed miserably, and people forked over truckloads of cash for it.  LA did it once, it will do it again.


I assume you just meant for L.A..... there are still PH open, although yes, 90% of them folded, they just kept the ones open in destination areas (NY, Disney, Vegas, Myrtle Beach), and a handful internationally.  The concept of making PH something every city bigger than Louisville has though though did fall through.
 
2013-10-10 03:58:57 PM

dletter: Dr. Kefarkian: You really have no idea how stupid people with vast, inexhaustible amounts of money are.  Two words:  Planet Hollywood.  Yes, that was a thing, failed miserably, and people forked over truckloads of cash for it.  LA did it once, it will do it again.

I assume you just meant for L.A..... there are still PH open, although yes, 90% of them folded, they just kept the ones open in destination areas (NY, Disney, Vegas, Myrtle Beach), and a handful internationally.  The concept of making PH something every city bigger than Louisville has though though did fall through.


Yes, and I was also talking about how they will find a way to build another stadium for an NFL team, only to have it abandoned yet again in less than a decade.
 
2013-10-10 04:05:00 PM
Dr. Kefarkian: You really have no idea how stupid people with vast, inexhaustible amounts of money are. Two words: Planet Hollywood. Yes, that was a thing, failed miserably, and people forked over truckloads of cash for it. LA did it once, it will do it again.

Right, because a failed restaurant in Beverly Hills which cost, what? at most $2-3 million is the exact same as asking people with vast sums of money to lay out a billion dollars or more towards a stadium (the going price these days) without public funding or governmental help of any kind AND with no team in place. Oh, wait, it's not!

There's been plenty of people over the years who have hyped their NFL stadium here --Michael Ovitz anyone?-- and they've ALL come to nothing because the City Council and County Supervisors will not give them a penny that's not expected to be paid back, with interest. You know why? Because they'd be recalled and out of office faster than you can say "Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum".

Hell, I did temp work for AEG years ago and I saw the model of their earlier stadium proposal from 2002 sitting in the corner of an unused office. Know why that failed? Because AEG and that dumbass Casey Wasserman were so arrogant, they thought people here would be begging them to build a stadium with help from us taxpayers. Woops! Here's an ESPN blowjob of Casey Wasserman, here's the relevant bit:

Casey Wasserman says he doesn't remember his first foray into bringing the NFL back to Los Angeles. He says he has no recollection of the news conference on May 16, 2002, inside the Chick Hearn Media Room of Staples Center, where a 28-year-old Wasserman sat between billionaire developer Ed Roski and AEG president and CEO Tim Leiweke to announce plans to build a football stadium next to Staples Center.

Of course you don't, you entitled cockhead, you and the rest of the dumbasses at that table got their heads handed to them.

Of course, it didn't work. It never seems to work in Los Angeles no matter how perfect the project appears. The proposed stadium actually flamed out quicker than any of its predecessors. Not even a month after the news conference to announce the project and unveil artist renderings of the stadium, AEG and the rest of the partners withdrew their plan amidst political opposition (Hahn and council member Jan Perry would be the only elected official to publically endorse the proposal) and unexpected competition from the Coliseum, which the NFL had already said was not a viable option for a team.

Right, same as a dumb restaurant in Beverly Hills.

Ed Roski and his dumbass City of Industry plan? The NFL told him to buzz off, they're not building a stadium there. They want it Downtown, by Staples Center. If they want it, they're going to have pay every penny for it.

In other words, it's not going to happen.

I know you were told there would be no math, but c'mon man ... at least make an effort to keep up with the conversation.

The NFL has said repeatedly they won't expand just to get a team in Los Angeles, they want one of the bottom feeders like the Jags to move extort a stadium out of the taxpayers, so your "34 teams! 34 teams!" thing is moot. Do try to keep up, there's this thing called the Internet that can help you with that.
 
2013-10-10 04:24:45 PM
Dr. Kefarkian: Yes, and I was also talking about how they will find a way to build another stadium for an NFL team, only to have it abandoned yet again in less than a decade.

You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? Here's the two reasons why the NFL doesn't have a team in Los Angeles:

www.smh.com.au

and this homunculus:

pankostrengthandspeed.com

That's it. Not the fans, those two execrable human beings. The Mobbed-Up Prostitute Lounge Singer tried to extort a stadium out of the city of Los Angeles > moved to Anaheim and helped destroy a great baseball stadium while turning it in to the worst football stadium ever > tried to extort a stadium out of the City of Anaheim in the parking lot of the stadium she helped destory > spent six years doing that before moving to St. Louis. Gosh, *they* don't want to build the Rams a new stadium either!

Al Davis tried to extort a stadium out of the city of Inglewood at Hollywood Park and actually got the city of Irwindale, which is basically a rock quarry, to give him $10 million bucks, no questions asked. When the City of Los Angeles wouldn't hand him a stadium, he bolted back to the second worst football stadium ever in CrOakland. He spent six years doing that, despite the Raiders being wildly popular with the black and Latino communites and great crowds at the craphole Coliseum until all the talk of moving started.
Yeah, it's the fault of the fans here. [rolls eyes]
 
2013-10-10 04:52:50 PM

Henry Holland: Dr. Kefarkian: Yes, and I was also talking about how they will find a way to build another stadium for an NFL team, only to have it abandoned yet again in less than a decade.

You really don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? Here's the two reasons why the NFL doesn't have a team in Los Angeles:

[www.smh.com.au image 300x448]

and this homunculus:

[pankostrengthandspeed.com image 300x206]

That's it. Not the fans, those two execrable human beings. The Mobbed-Up Prostitute Lounge Singer tried to extort a stadium out of the city of Los Angeles > moved to Anaheim and helped destroy a great baseball stadium while turning it in to the worst football stadium ever > tried to extort a stadium out of the City of Anaheim in the parking lot of the stadium she helped destory > spent six years doing that before moving to St. Louis. Gosh, *they* don't want to build the Rams a new stadium either!

Al Davis tried to extort a stadium out of the city of Inglewood at Hollywood Park and actually got the city of Irwindale, which is basically a rock quarry, to give him $10 million bucks, no questions asked. When the City of Los Angeles wouldn't hand him a stadium, he bolted back to the second worst football stadium ever in CrOakland. He spent six years doing that, despite the Raiders being wildly popular with the black and Latino communites and great crowds at the craphole Coliseum until all the talk of moving started.
Yeah, it's the fault of the fans here. [rolls eyes]


You get angry when you're hungry.  You should eat a snickers.
 
2013-10-10 05:14:02 PM
llortcM_yllort: You get angry when you're hungry. You should eat a snickers.

But Dad! I get mad when people talk about crap they know nothing about! [pouts]

/Seriously, quit blaming sports fans in Los Angeles for those two teams moving
//We're not like idiot Cubs fans who will show up even if the team goes 0-162
 
2013-10-10 06:25:30 PM
 
2013-10-11 03:40:44 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Jaguars and Raiders are definitely auditions for the move.  Which ever team goes has to change their name to 'London Blitz'.


DO IT.
 
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