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(NPR)   Obama's Tea Party second cousin is running for the Senate. WHAR DIVISON BY ZERO FUNCTION WHA+++CARRIER LOST+++   (npr.org) divider line 65
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2013-10-10 01:39:24 PM

qorkfiend: No one said math is a religion


but is religion a math???

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
-1 Kings 7:23
 
2013-10-10 01:45:20 PM

Klom Dark: What's this problem with dividing by zero anyway? Anything divided by zero is infinity. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

The only reason it's not allowed is because the reverse would prove "problematic", so why not just say that multiplication by zero is not allowed rather than shutting down dividing by zero?


But zero divided by anything is zero, right? So what's 0/0, then?
 
2013-10-10 01:50:49 PM
Anything times zero is zero, so:

OBAMA x 0 = 0

and POTATO x 0 = 0

Therefore: OBAMA x 0 = POTATO x 0

Divide both sides by 0 and we get:

OBAMA = POTATO

QED. It's simple math people. Study it out!
 
2013-10-10 01:51:16 PM
Media logic:

Obama's cousin is in the Tea Party. Therefore, Obama is wrong about everything, and if this guy gets elected, that will mean Americans reject the Obama agenda.
 
2013-10-10 01:57:50 PM

Orange-Pippin: Devo: We all have relatives like that.

Indeed. I don't find them "amusing" either :(


Yeah, I have to call mine "mom".
 
2013-10-10 02:02:57 PM

Fart_Machine: So the guy is batshait crazy enough to write for the Moonie Times but might not be batshait crazy enough for conservative organizations? Wow!


This is a fact. It's a hard-to-believe fact, but it's a fact.
 
2013-10-10 02:14:35 PM

Klom Dark: So, you concur: "You can fit infinite quantities of nothing into any number"

Klom Dark: Just the divide by zero nonsense has never sat comfortably with me as an effective explanation of why it's not allowed


Being the same is another way of saying "equal".
 "Fitting into" is another way of saying "less than or equal".
Your examples are always 0, which is always "less than"

You are abusing the "or equal" part of "fitting into" to falsely equate two things that are NOT the same.
 
2013-10-10 02:17:19 PM
This site always puts these sorts of things well.
 
2013-10-10 02:24:34 PM

cranked: Klom Dark: So, you concur: "You can fit infinite quantities of nothing into any number"
Klom Dark: Just the divide by zero nonsense has never sat comfortably with me as an effective explanation of why it's not allowed

Being the same is another way of saying "equal".
 "Fitting into" is another way of saying "less than or equal".
Your examples are always 0, which is always "less than"

You are abusing the "or equal" part of "fitting into" to falsely equate two things that are NOT the same.


0 is always Less Than?

So 0 is less than -1?

Or in Boolean algebra false (0) is always less than true (1)?

// I'm not the one who brought "integer" into the conversation
 
2013-10-10 02:28:12 PM
Division is repeated subtraction. You count the number of times you can subtract the number before reaching zero or going negative.

So when you divide by zero, you are attempting to count the number of times you can subtract zero. Which isn't infinity. It's an undefined number because all of the intermediate steps are degenerate. If the answer were truly infinity, then you would HAVE to do it infinity times. But I can subtract 5 times, or subtract a billion, and get the same answer. When any answer fits, it's not infinite, it's undefined.
 
2013-10-10 02:29:40 PM

Klom Dark: Dig a hole that is 7 cubic meters. Now dump a handful of nothing in that hole. How many handfuls of nothingness does it take to fill that hole? Infinity (or Endless Loop) handfuls. Ergo, you can fit infinite quantities of nothing into 7


My understanding is that 7 is an integer.

I understand that you're playing word games for fun, but you also expressed a curiosity regarding the subject.  My fault for forgetting this was Fark.
 
2013-10-10 02:57:38 PM

Klom Dark: What's this problem with dividing by zero anyway? Anything divided by zero is infinity. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

The only reason it's not allowed is because the reverse would prove "problematic", so why not just say that multiplication by zero is not allowed rather than shutting down dividing by zero?


Positive infinity or negative infinity? If you take the limit on the positive or negative side as it approaches zero you get two completely results on the opposite sides of the number line. Thus 0 would have to be both positive and negative infinity at the same time, which makes no sense. Whichever way you cut it, division by 0 doesn't make mathematical sense.
 
2013-10-10 03:01:34 PM

cranked: Klom Dark: Dig a hole that is 7 cubic meters. Now dump a handful of nothing in that hole. How many handfuls of nothingness does it take to fill that hole? Infinity (or Endless Loop) handfuls. Ergo, you can fit infinite quantities of nothing into 7

My understanding is that 7 is an integer.

I understand that you're playing word games for fun, but you also expressed a curiosity regarding the subject.  My fault for forgetting this was Fark.


Thanks for the above link - I've always been one of those "why?" guys, which drove my algebra teachers nuts. Until that article, i have never had any other person agree that the concept of infinity was simply a construct, it's always been some faith based response like "Well infinity is infinity, you dumb shiat" which always made me think i was considered stupid. Which befuddled me as i knew i understood more advanced mathematical concepts. Applied calc I've found easy, boolean algebra i found basic. Soon as i saw Lambda expressions it made complete sense, same with set theory. I always was able to take a story problem and find the answer way easier than just "here's an expression, solve for x" questions. Never got why understanding E=MC^2 or calculating the surface area of the ringworld were considered proof of someone being extra smart. But throw me in a typical algebra class, even these days, and I'm still stuck at "what's the point of this shiat, just tell me why?" Still to this day i know past of my problem is i learned programming at age 7 back in the 1970s and x=x+1 made perfect sense to me yet would throw a non programmer algebra teacher into an angry tizzy about that being illogical nonsense. ( That's what i had to put up with in 7th grade, an angry impatient teacher who would not consider the notion which made me disregard it as "fark this shiat, bunch of assholes in algebra")
 
2013-10-10 03:13:21 PM

Gwyrddu: Klom Dark: What's this problem with dividing by zero anyway? Anything divided by zero is infinity. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

The only reason it's not allowed is because the reverse would prove "problematic", so why not just say that multiplication by zero is not allowed rather than shutting down dividing by zero?

Positive infinity or negative infinity? If you take the limit on the positive or negative side as it approaches zero you get two completely results on the opposite sides of the number line. Thus 0 would have to be both positive and negative infinity at the same time, which makes no sense. Whichever way you cut it, division by 0 doesn't make mathematical sense.


I'm not sure how to answer that, my brain seems fine with recognizing 0 as a symbol for nothingness with special rules for handling it based on context. Perhaps it doesn't make "mathematical sense" but it makes sense in a physical reality (or metaphysical sense? using that word more like metadata rather than in its " of the gods/outside human understanding" sense).

In a set of both positive and negative values, to infinity both ways, then it's a simple midpoint between both infinities.

Maybe the difference between mathematically proving something versus being able to simply calculate an answer is where we disagree?
 
2013-10-11 03:47:52 AM
Unavailable for comment, because he's in the ground a couple blocks down the street.

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