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2013-10-10 10:58:10 AM
4 votes:

tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?


Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?
2013-10-10 11:58:15 AM
3 votes:

spmkk: Why does subby think this is "stupid"?


Because at current, roughly half of all high school graduates apply to colleges. And a percentage of them are turned away due to overcrowding.

Now, imagine that EVERY student applied. With colleges already turning students away due to overcrowding, roughly half of the school population will not be able to graduate under the new rules, no matter how good their grades are.

So, half the school will be forced to FAIL.
2013-10-10 11:08:09 AM
3 votes:
It couldn't be that the school district wants to be able so say "100% of our students are accepted into colleges or trade schools upon graduation" could it?

Poke around.  I bet you'll find some incentive or bonus money tied to the percentage of graduates who meet that criterion.
2013-10-10 11:02:40 AM
3 votes:
The title and article are in conflict. Do you have to apply or do you actually have to be accepted?

Requiring that they be accepted is a horrible idea, because you're basing whether or not the student graduates on what other people do.

Not to mention that, even if they are just requiring that the student apply, they'll be clogging up the colleges with applications from people who have no intention of going.
2013-10-10 03:38:26 PM
2 votes:
I get that they want to teach the kids how to do the 'application process'. Kudos but, they could make it a *half semester class and require all students to take it as a graduation requirement instead of making kids that have no interest or intent in going to college or trade school do so in real life. Hopefully they would walk them through the application process so they don't send an application out to an actual college full of mistakes.

The simple fact of the mater is a pretty good chunk of kids that graduate high school, either have no interest in furthering their education or couldn't go because of, well, life. {Family commitments, very low grades, criminal situations, etc.}


*Make the other half semester a "Real Life Life Skills" class:

Chapter 1
How to balance a bank statement

Chapter 2
Personal budget planning

Chapter 3
Basic First Aid

Chapter 4
Basic Automobile Maintenance

Chapter 5
Basic Home Maintenance

Chapter 6
Basic Boy Scout/Girl Scout Wilderness Skills

Chapter 7
Common Sense/ Critical Thinking Skills

I also think that every kid that graduates High School should take the next year off of school. they just finished THIRTEEN (or more) YEARS OF SCHOOL!! They are burned out! Let them work in real life if they haven't before, or backpack around Europe, or see if they can get their band out of the garage and on a stage!

College will be there for those that really want to go, let them find their feet and take a few breaths before going back to school for four to seven or more years.

Le sigh, I know I'm a dreamer...
2013-10-10 01:59:53 PM
2 votes:
Sounds like an awesome way to get a bunch of kids who don't want to go to college to pay the local community college for a term before they drop out.  I expect the ones who go but don't actually do any work for a term because they had to apply and then have parental pressure to attend will far outnumber those who were hard workers and smart enough to go but had some huge self esteem issue or incredible fear of the application process.  Really, if not being forced to apply stops someone from doing so, I doubt they'd last through the whole program.

In addition, there is no feedback that actually helps them in this process.  They'd be far better served with a fake application teachers could actually correct, as they would any other essay, and preferably before the real application deadlines.  It would also waste less money, waste less of the college's time, and not reserve limited college slots for people who do not intend to go.

They'll get a nice backlash the first time an honor student overestimates what tier of colleges they can get into and is denied a degree, which then would make it much harder for them to re-apply in the Spring.
2013-10-10 01:37:11 PM
2 votes:

tricycleracer: garandman1a: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?


1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.

I think it's worth the money to potentially take a kid from "I won't get in anyway so fark it" to "Holy shiat I got into college.  My life is forever changed."


That will quickly change to "Holy shiat, how am I going to pay for college?" Acceptance is the easy part.
2013-10-10 12:02:59 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Breeze: It's an arbitrary requirement that adds no real value to a person's education. If they want their students to learn about the process, they should teach it as part of a class as opposed to requiring the students to send application fees to schools they have no interest in attending.


That was what my school did. We had to apply to a college to earn a grade. It was a pretty large percent of the class grade too. So technically, it was a requirement to graduate as well as if you failed that, you pretty much failed the semester. This class also taught how to deal with single and family finances.
2013-10-10 12:01:00 PM
2 votes:
I received a post-grad degree.  However I have strong reservations against forcing an adult (18+) to opt into an elective to complete a requirement.  K-18 is mandatory (sure you can drop out, but you get it).  College, vocational school etc. is an elective, you don't HAVE to go.  To add a requirement is overstepping the bounds of the school board.  They have jurisdiction over you until you get that piece of paper, after that they have no hold over the student.  College is what happens after that diploma.  I think it's BS.  What if I want to take a few years off before going to university?  I had some friends that did just that and are highly successful.
2013-10-10 12:00:58 PM
2 votes:
Don't have money for books but we'll pay for collage apps to schools they have no intention of going to.
2013-10-10 11:53:36 AM
2 votes:

elysive: Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....

If you cant afford the application, the school provides grant money to cover it so what's the big deal? The experience can alert students to the possibilities for when their businesses fail or crappy bands dissolve.


It's an arbitrary requirement that adds no real value to a person's education. If they want their students to learn about the process, they should teach it as part of a class as opposed to requiring the students to send application fees to schools they have no interest in attending.
2013-10-10 11:20:24 AM
2 votes:
To me, this falls into the same category as 'life skills'.  All students should know how to apply to college, apply to a job, participate in an interview, manage your finances, understand credit and banks, know about health insurance, etc.  I would heartily support a life skills class that was a graduation requirement that included these topics.
2013-10-10 11:18:10 AM
2 votes:
My high school has always had a requirement like this, you either applied to college or you completed a vocational course of study while in high school and got a certificate in welding or nursing or auto mechanics or something.  If you didn't want to do either, you just applied to the local community college so you could graduate HS.  Actually attending the college was not required.

The vocational school was a great thing.  You only had to take high school English and math in the mornings, then walk across campus to your vocational training for the rest of the day.  Seniors were given work-release to intern at local business.  My high school was in a very rural, very poor area of Virginia, and we had a very low drop out rate thanks to the vocational program.
2013-10-10 11:17:00 AM
2 votes:

pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?


Applying to, but not attending, college prohibits you from joining the military?  That is very interesting to find out.
2013-10-10 11:08:27 AM
2 votes:

tricycleracer


So why is this stupid?


'Stupid' is a bit harsh, but it seems a bit excessive to make acceptance a graduation requirement.

I would rather see this be a one-credit requirement for everyone during the junior year of high school. Everyone would get the same information and practice, and people who apply to undergrad programs and trade schools will all benefit. The mock applications should be evaluated by high school staff rather than outsourcing it to third parties.
2013-10-10 11:04:25 AM
2 votes:

pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?


Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....
2013-10-10 10:55:28 AM
2 votes:
An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.


Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?
2013-10-10 10:54:56 AM
2 votes:
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
2013-10-10 10:53:37 AM
2 votes:

"The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

The new requirement would start with the graduating class of 2017.

The school board will hold a final vote on the measure in two months, but it is expected to pass. "


I think it's a good idea, though the cynic in me can see a bunch of applications from this HS flooding DeVry U or University of Phoienix (yea fees!). Maybe the school can have some kind of career classes or something similar more helpful?

2013-10-10 01:34:36 PM
1 votes:

tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?


It's good in a sense, but it also wastes time and resources at the colleges dealing with applicants who have no intent on attending.

I do like that it includes trade schools. Not everyone will benefit from a degree, and we already have a flood of people with useless degrees. We need skilled tradesmen to build and maintain our infrastructure and knowing a trade is useful even if you don't make a career of it.
2013-10-10 01:29:43 PM
1 votes:

garandman1a: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?


1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.


I think it's worth the money to potentially take a kid from "I won't get in anyway so fark it" to "Holy shiat I got into college.  My life is forever changed."
2013-10-10 01:16:02 PM
1 votes:

Krieghund: Loreweaver: I forgot to add:
Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.
That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.
I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.

You apparently don't understand how GPAs work.

It's an average. In fact, GPA stands for Grade Point Average.

If a student got only one "C" in high school and no grades lower than that "C", then the student would only need to take 1 other class and to get a "B" in order to have a 2.5 GPA and to meet the minimum for community colleges that you stated. Any additional grades of "B" or "A" will only raise the GPA, of course.


True, but what about students who get mostly "C's and maybe only one or two  "B"s. Their GPA would be below 2.5, and thus, they could not get accepted to college, and thus not graduate, despite the fact that only a 2.0 average is required to graduate.

But that is not the sole problem. What about all the students currently out there who are turned away due to overcrowding? They could meet all the requirements for acceptance into the college, but are rejected because the school is already full. Under the new rules, those students have now failed to graduate.

My complaint is this ... it is one thing to ask students to APPLY to a college as part of their graduation requirements. But, requiring them to get ACCEPTED into a college in order to graduate, would force a lot of kids to fail, who would have otherwise graduated.

I am against any rule that imposes failure based on things outside of the person's control.
2013-10-10 01:13:54 PM
1 votes:

Launch Code: Instead of filling out applications for college, the school should make sure the students can properly fill out applications with local fast food establishments. 2 years of advanced high school is not a requirement to wear a paper hat. However, in 2 years a real go getter could find his/herself in line for that assistant to the asistant night manager position.


It should be law that anyone who seriously suggests fast food as a viable job choice should be sentenced to a year working fast food, lengthier punishments for repeat offenders.
2013-10-10 01:03:00 PM
1 votes:

MycroftHolmes: Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....

Again, how does applying to college prevent any of those actions?


How does applying to college add any value to the individual who has no intention on going to college?
2013-10-10 12:46:54 PM
1 votes:

tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?



1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.
2013-10-10 12:11:06 PM
1 votes:
I forgot to add:

Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.

That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.

I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.
2013-10-10 11:23:27 AM
1 votes:

Magnus: tricycleracer: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Fill out the 1 page application for your local JuCo, get your diploma, join the military.

Why?  What value did this application add to this individual?


None.
2013-10-10 11:21:37 AM
1 votes:

pueblonative: Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?


West Point and the Naval Academy count as college and it should be super easy to apply for them since they mail you the application and call you repeatedly at home when you have shown zero interest beyond taking their stupid ASVAB test which you old took to ditch class... same reason you joined the soccer team actually...
2013-10-10 11:19:26 AM
1 votes:

tricycleracer: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Fill out the 1 page application for your local JuCo, get your diploma, join the military.


Why?  What value did this application add to this individual?
2013-10-10 11:19:15 AM
1 votes:
I agree that it is a worthwhile exercise to fill out a college or trade school application, regardless of a student's life plans. I do not think acceptance into an institution should be required, although I could be convinced. If you are graduating from high school, you should be able to get accepted somewhere, anywhere, for something, or else you may not have completed the minimum requirement to graduate high school. The US Army has an application process, and I believe they have a pretty low bar, but they do require a high school diploma or equivalent nowadays.

A mock application process wouldn't carry the same weight as the real thing. Why not send kids to a mock high school? I guess that's called Texas.
2013-10-10 11:17:51 AM
1 votes:

Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....


Again, how does applying to college prevent any of those actions?
2013-10-10 11:05:13 AM
1 votes:

spmkk: Why does subby think this is "stupid"?


Not everyone needs college for their career plan.
2013-10-10 11:00:16 AM
1 votes:
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Going through the application process is one thing, but to require that they be accepted is quite another.  Is there a limit on how many rejections you can have before you can just stop applying?  What if I'm the worst student in the school and decide to have the school district cover all of my application fees to every Ivy League school?  Oh, I couldn't get into those, I'll try Stanford next.
msP [TotalFark]
2013-10-10 10:59:07 AM
1 votes:
At my high school, we had a 100% college attendance rate every year. If you decided you didn't want to go to college, they put your name in the Baccalaureate program and the word "undecided" next to it.

Funny thing is, every single student I graduated with started their first day at college, but I'd say a good 20% didn't finish their first semester...
2013-10-10 10:53:30 AM
1 votes:
Since there are colleges that will admit literally anyone who has completed high school, I don't think this will be much of a challenge. It cost a bunch of students application fees and a bunch of time and frustration, though.
2013-10-10 10:48:32 AM
1 votes:
Fark want to implement subby grammar yes headline. Or "Hello, I am caught sayof"
 
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