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2013-10-10 12:07:18 PM

Nacc: Fixing the headline is for biatches. Should've left it, mod.

/not getting over it.
//ever


Really?

WTF?
 
2013-10-10 12:07:25 PM

spmkk: Why does subby think this is "stupid"?


^^ this ^^
 
2013-10-10 12:11:06 PM
I forgot to add:

Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.

That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.

I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.
 
2013-10-10 12:11:08 PM

Mr. Breeze: It's an arbitrary requirement that adds no real value to a person's education. If they want their students to learn about the process, they should teach it as part of a class as opposed to requiring the students to send application fees to schools they have no interest in attending.


Aren't most high school assigments and graduation requirements like that? And do you really believe that this new requirement will yield no students going to college who otherwise might never have considered it?
/agrees it should probably be part of a class...in my HS we had a required class called Careers and hours in that class were hours wasted from my life I can never reclaim, but I'm sure it helped some students find direction
 
2013-10-10 12:19:22 PM

Loreweaver: I forgot to add:

Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.

That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.

I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.


But, I am always told that school boards are there solely "for the children!"
 
2013-10-10 12:23:11 PM

Loreweaver: I forgot to add:
Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.
That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.
I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.


You apparently don't understand how GPAs work.

It's an average. In fact, GPA stands for Grade Point Average.

If a student got only one "C" in high school and no grades lower than that "C", then the student would only need to take 1 other class and to get a "B" in order to have a 2.5 GPA and to meet the minimum for community colleges that you stated. Any additional grades of "B" or "A" will only raise the GPA, of course.
 
2013-10-10 12:26:24 PM

stuffy: Don't have money for books but we'll pay for collage apps to schools they have no intention of going to.



Considering the price of textbooks, the useless college applications are a bargain.
 
2013-10-10 12:46:54 PM

tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?



1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.
 
2013-10-10 01:00:18 PM

yves0010: Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....

You still apply and not have to attend. It is not a policy that is making you go to college. It is a policy that is making you fill out an application to go to college. And seeing that the school said it would fund the application fee (when I applied it was $25 the most). There is not real reason not to simply apply.

/attended Collage as well. And it was a party collage too!


Again, why?  What value to the application add to the individual who is not going to attend college?
 
2013-10-10 01:01:45 PM

LoneWolf343: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Apply at West Point, then.


Why?
 
2013-10-10 01:03:00 PM

MycroftHolmes: Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....

Again, how does applying to college prevent any of those actions?


How does applying to college add any value to the individual who has no intention on going to college?
 
2013-10-10 01:13:54 PM

Launch Code: Instead of filling out applications for college, the school should make sure the students can properly fill out applications with local fast food establishments. 2 years of advanced high school is not a requirement to wear a paper hat. However, in 2 years a real go getter could find his/herself in line for that assistant to the asistant night manager position.


It should be law that anyone who seriously suggests fast food as a viable job choice should be sentenced to a year working fast food, lengthier punishments for repeat offenders.
 
2013-10-10 01:16:02 PM

Krieghund: Loreweaver: I forgot to add:
Anyone with a 2.0 GPA can graduate high school, under current rules. However, most colleges reject anyone with less than a 3.0 GPA. Community colleges go as low as 2.5 GPA.
That means that under the new rules, any student who got a "C' in one of his subjects, even if it was his lowest grade, may fail to graduate, even though their grades were otherwise good enough for the HS Diploma.
I suspect an ulterior motive behind this new rule, likely tied to funding for the school, or kickbacks to the board members.

You apparently don't understand how GPAs work.

It's an average. In fact, GPA stands for Grade Point Average.

If a student got only one "C" in high school and no grades lower than that "C", then the student would only need to take 1 other class and to get a "B" in order to have a 2.5 GPA and to meet the minimum for community colleges that you stated. Any additional grades of "B" or "A" will only raise the GPA, of course.


True, but what about students who get mostly "C's and maybe only one or two  "B"s. Their GPA would be below 2.5, and thus, they could not get accepted to college, and thus not graduate, despite the fact that only a 2.0 average is required to graduate.

But that is not the sole problem. What about all the students currently out there who are turned away due to overcrowding? They could meet all the requirements for acceptance into the college, but are rejected because the school is already full. Under the new rules, those students have now failed to graduate.

My complaint is this ... it is one thing to ask students to APPLY to a college as part of their graduation requirements. But, requiring them to get ACCEPTED into a college in order to graduate, would force a lot of kids to fail, who would have otherwise graduated.

I am against any rule that imposes failure based on things outside of the person's control.
 
2013-10-10 01:16:42 PM

Magnus: LoneWolf343: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Apply at West Point, then.

Why?


Because West Point is the military...stupid.
 
2013-10-10 01:23:02 PM

LoneWolf343: Magnus: LoneWolf343: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Apply at West Point, then.

Why?

Because West Point is the military...stupid.


But why would you want to be a skilled member of the military when you have the option of being a grunt on the front lines?
 
2013-10-10 01:29:43 PM

garandman1a: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?


1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.


I think it's worth the money to potentially take a kid from "I won't get in anyway so fark it" to "Holy shiat I got into college.  My life is forever changed."
 
2013-10-10 01:34:36 PM

tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?


It's good in a sense, but it also wastes time and resources at the colleges dealing with applicants who have no intent on attending.

I do like that it includes trade schools. Not everyone will benefit from a degree, and we already have a flood of people with useless degrees. We need skilled tradesmen to build and maintain our infrastructure and knowing a trade is useful even if you don't make a career of it.
 
2013-10-10 01:37:11 PM

tricycleracer: garandman1a: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.

So why is this stupid?


1) As others have pointed out, many career paths do not require college or trade school. Who is the school to demand this?

2) Unless the school board is going to fund the poor people out of their own damn pocket, the money comes from somewhere else, namely the taxpayers. If you really think forcing kids to fill out college applications only for the experience it provides is a good use of taxpayer funds, then you and I will never agree on much of anything.

I think it's worth the money to potentially take a kid from "I won't get in anyway so fark it" to "Holy shiat I got into college.  My life is forever changed."


That will quickly change to "Holy shiat, how am I going to pay for college?" Acceptance is the easy part.
 
2013-10-10 01:43:13 PM

Magnus: MycroftHolmes: Dr Jack Badofsky: pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?

Or, if you plan on attending a trade school, or go directly not apprenticeship, start a business, join an existing family business, start a band, ....

Again, how does applying to college prevent any of those actions?

How does applying to college add any value to the individual who has no intention on going to college?


Don't you know that the college application process is one of the most rigorous tasks a person can ever perform?  I mean, it's not just all of the paperwork and writing essays about yourself, but the physical endurance test is a killer.
 
2013-10-10 01:59:53 PM
Sounds like an awesome way to get a bunch of kids who don't want to go to college to pay the local community college for a term before they drop out.  I expect the ones who go but don't actually do any work for a term because they had to apply and then have parental pressure to attend will far outnumber those who were hard workers and smart enough to go but had some huge self esteem issue or incredible fear of the application process.  Really, if not being forced to apply stops someone from doing so, I doubt they'd last through the whole program.

In addition, there is no feedback that actually helps them in this process.  They'd be far better served with a fake application teachers could actually correct, as they would any other essay, and preferably before the real application deadlines.  It would also waste less money, waste less of the college's time, and not reserve limited college slots for people who do not intend to go.

They'll get a nice backlash the first time an honor student overestimates what tier of colleges they can get into and is denied a degree, which then would make it much harder for them to re-apply in the Spring.
 
2013-10-10 02:02:02 PM
Back in the day they already had a stupid requirement which made you do a final project and present it in front of your "community." fark those assholes.
 
2013-10-10 02:24:39 PM

elysive: Mr. Breeze: It's an arbitrary requirement that adds no real value to a person's education. If they want their students to learn about the process, they should teach it as part of a class as opposed to requiring the students to send application fees to schools they have no interest in attending.

Aren't most high school assigments and graduation requirements like that? And do you really believe that this new requirement will yield no students going to college who otherwise might never have considered it?
/agrees it should probably be part of a class...in my HS we had a required class called Careers and hours in that class were hours wasted from my life I can never reclaim, but I'm sure it helped some students find direction


I don't think that's a good enough reason to force students to pony up money to schools that they have no desire to attend. Sure, teach them about the process. That's a great thing, but making something like this mandatory only wastes time and money.
 
2013-10-10 03:08:15 PM

Phil Clinton: What an Oregon college may look like:

[www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov image 595x444]

/it's freaking everywhere
//Oregonian


Did the DEA and cops just plain stop looking for meth labs in Oregon? They went from having one of the highest bust rates to one of the lowest in the country, but there's more crank around than ever.
 
2013-10-10 03:35:37 PM

blatz514: Nacc: Fixing the headline is for biatches. Should've left it, mod.

/not getting over it.
//ever

Really?

WTF?


You appear confused. Is there a word I can assist you with, or are you just lost and undermedicated?

/Security!
 
2013-10-10 03:38:26 PM
I get that they want to teach the kids how to do the 'application process'. Kudos but, they could make it a *half semester class and require all students to take it as a graduation requirement instead of making kids that have no interest or intent in going to college or trade school do so in real life. Hopefully they would walk them through the application process so they don't send an application out to an actual college full of mistakes.

The simple fact of the mater is a pretty good chunk of kids that graduate high school, either have no interest in furthering their education or couldn't go because of, well, life. {Family commitments, very low grades, criminal situations, etc.}


*Make the other half semester a "Real Life Life Skills" class:

Chapter 1
How to balance a bank statement

Chapter 2
Personal budget planning

Chapter 3
Basic First Aid

Chapter 4
Basic Automobile Maintenance

Chapter 5
Basic Home Maintenance

Chapter 6
Basic Boy Scout/Girl Scout Wilderness Skills

Chapter 7
Common Sense/ Critical Thinking Skills

I also think that every kid that graduates High School should take the next year off of school. they just finished THIRTEEN (or more) YEARS OF SCHOOL!! They are burned out! Let them work in real life if they haven't before, or backpack around Europe, or see if they can get their band out of the garage and on a stage!

College will be there for those that really want to go, let them find their feet and take a few breaths before going back to school for four to seven or more years.

Le sigh, I know I'm a dreamer...
 
2013-10-10 03:46:37 PM

Nacc: blatz514: Nacc: Fixing the headline is for biatches. Should've left it, mod.

/not getting over it.
//ever

Really?

WTF?

You appear confused. Is there a word I can assist you with, or are you just lost and undermedicated?

/Security!


I should point out I left a few words out of my Weeners.  I was agreeing with you because the headline was horribly bad and easy to make fun of.  I gotta start submitting good for shiat headlines.
 
2013-10-10 04:44:48 PM
Only a few words left out of your weeners led to all this. Think of the potential, I think I have a solution to the shutdown.
 
2013-10-11 12:28:03 AM

pueblonative: tricycleracer: An Oregon school district wants to set a new graduation requirement for students to get their diplomas.
Students would be required to get accepted to a college or trade school.

Let's keep reading!

The principal of Corbett High School says the students wouldn't have to follow through and attend the school - he simply wants this to be a lesson in the application process.

Going through an application process is a good life lesson.  Best case, a student who thinks "I'll never get into college" gets accepted and their life changes for the better.

If a student can't afford any application fees, the school has grants that will cover the cost.

Well, that removes any financial hurdles.


So why is this stupid?

Uh, let's say you want to go to the military after high school?


Now THAT is stupid.
 
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