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2013-10-10 12:01:02 AM
Thanks soccer moms.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:10 AM
Wow. My best friend's mom calls him "more queer than a tennis helmet." She's almost prophetic. I cant wait til they get helmets for the swim team.
 
2013-10-10 01:31:43 AM
This makes sense given the stats coming out on concussions in teenage girls.
 
2013-10-10 01:50:05 AM
Anybody who played seriously who tells you they didn't come up feeling a little like the snickers guy who decided he was batman after tough headers is lying to you- you can feel your whole skull flex. And I saw two different guys knocked cold when they were in defensive walls. That's not to mention the couple dozen very bloody skull to skull hits I saw, one of them I saw up close as I (reportedly) did a 360 in the air before hitting the ground. I came to in the hospital remembering nothing since early in the morning.

It's not a bad idea folks. It won't take anything away from the game and it will prevent unnecessary injuries.
 
2013-10-10 02:44:23 AM
I'm having a hard time seeing what's wrong with this. :10 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19wM8pPUX9E
 
2013-10-10 03:25:26 AM
FTFA: A New Jersey school district is ordering all students who play soccer - and other non-contact sports...


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soccer doesn't work that way

 
2013-10-10 03:59:20 AM
Look, it's merely a coincidence that the manufacturer of these $70 helmets is besties with the superintendent, and any assertion to the contrary is nothing but vile lies and slander.
 
2013-10-10 04:00:41 AM

ParallelUniverseParking: FTFA: A New Jersey school district is ordering all students who play soccer - and other non-contact sports...


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soccer doesn't work that way


Soccer is contact in the same way gymnastics is manly.

Yes, you can be a man's man and also have good balance and flexibility. But 12 year old Chinese girls will still kick you ass.

Yes, you can have vicious bodily contact during a game of soccer. But it's against the rules and you will red carded.
 
2013-10-10 04:06:41 AM

doglover: ParallelUniverseParking: FTFA: A New Jersey school district is ordering all students who play soccer - and other non-contact sports...


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soccer doesn't work that way

Soccer is contact in the same way gymnastics is manly.

Yes, you can be a man's man and also have good balance and flexibility. But 12 year old Chinese girls will still kick you ass.

Yes, you can have vicious bodily contact during a game of soccer. But it's against the rules and you will red carded.


Yes, because one man on the pitch can see everyone at all times.
 
2013-10-10 04:07:00 AM

vossiewulf: Anybody who played seriously who tells you they didn't come up feeling a little like the snickers guy who decided he was batman after tough headers is lying to you- you can feel your whole skull flex. And I saw two different guys knocked cold when they were in defensive walls. That's not to mention the couple dozen very bloody skull to skull hits I saw, one of them I saw up close as I (reportedly) did a 360 in the air before hitting the ground. I came to in the hospital remembering nothing since early in the morning.

It's not a bad idea folks. It won't take anything away from the game and it will prevent unnecessary injuries.


Howsabout not hitting the ball with your head?  Might I suggest using, ya know, your hands instead?
 
2013-10-10 04:28:18 AM
I'm sure that I am going to hear about this after church this coming Sunday from the German guy and the English guy with whom I discuss the later soccer doings. Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues. Frigging New Jersey.
 
2013-10-10 04:29:25 AM
I used to ref soccer part time through high school/early college. Was great pay for easy work, and great exercise too. Once at a tournament in North Carolina I was in the middle for a U16 boys match, where two players collided and one hit his head so hard he had a seizure. So in this aspect, I'm all for the helmets

Yet the helmets certainly take away from the game. They're going to affect a player's ability, even if just slightly. So I'm also against them

/great post move along now
 
2013-10-10 04:34:57 AM

varmitydog: I'm sure that I am going to hear about this after church this coming Sunday from the German guy and the English guy with whom I discuss the later soccer doings. Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues. Frigging New Jersey.


I think its the hitting the ball with the head thing.  Again, its not the smartest thing on earth to do.  Again, maybe they should try carrying it instead of hitting their heads on it, and then kicking it when they dont advance it 10 yards on 3 downs.  A right proper football game might break out.
 
2013-10-10 04:38:35 AM

ParallelUniverseParking: soccer doesn't work that way


Yes it does. Basketball is also a "non contact sport" but there's plenty of contact. BTW, how can Americans call soccer sissy when so many of us still care about baseball and golf?
 
2013-10-10 04:41:12 AM

varmitydog: Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues.


Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well
 
2013-10-10 05:04:11 AM
Unintended consequnce: now the head can be used as a weapon. Look out for an increase in broken collarbones, arms, legs...
 
2013-10-10 05:22:26 AM
So why not for basketball, volleyball, tennis, and cheerleading? If it is for all sports then it needs to be for all sports.
 
2013-10-10 05:25:56 AM

TheJoe03: varmitydog: Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues.

Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well


Yes... it is more of the american football mentality that prevails in the American soccer. Stay on your feet at all cost. In Europe and Latin America it is go down as soon as you are touched.
 
2013-10-10 05:42:06 AM

TheJoe03: varmitydog: Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues.

Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well


LOL. Floppability and roughness are independent concepts.
 
2013-10-10 06:24:33 AM
This begs the question, how long has Big Soccer known that head injuries are destroying defenseless children?!  Our sexually-confused yuppie larvae must be protected from French quasi-sports that force unearned self-esteem down their throats at the expense of the risk of getting a bump on the head!

We need LAWYERS to fix this problem!  Let's get another class action lawsuit going to stop Big Soccer from profiting from the needless injury of the young!  We'll sue 'em until we sashay to the bank!

Who's with me!
 
2013-10-10 06:37:08 AM

I sound fat: Howsabout not hitting the ball with your head? Might I suggest using, ya know, your hands instead?


Good idea, because as we all know American Football has no concussion problem at all. *eyeroll*.
 
2013-10-10 06:56:55 AM
I think there is no way to truly protect from head injuries if you play any sports. All sports come with inherent risks.
 
2013-10-10 07:04:44 AM

TheJoe03: varmitydog: Like they need any more ammo to diss American soccer. How the hell can you defend this stupid sh*t? The pussification of America continues.

Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well


This is also a sport with the magic "I'm all better" spray can.

/But is it any better than flopping to stop a no-huddle offense?
 
2013-10-10 07:39:27 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Unintended consequnce: now the head can be used as a weapon. Look out for an increase in broken collarbones, arms, legs...


I actually had that exact same thought.  I played soccer in college, and I recall regularly wimping out on big headers -- or plays where to people go up and try to head the same ball.  The reason:  My skull does not like getting bashed.

However, if someone gave me a helmet, I'd be slamming my head into every play.

I'm not a big fan out of creating new guidelines for all just because one or two people get hurt.  Hell, every time we formed a wall in front of a direct kick, you KNEW it was going to hurt like hell -- doesn't mean I want direct kicks taken out of the game.  It's just an aspect that comes with a contact sport.
 
2013-10-10 07:44:35 AM
This actually makes sense, but lets ridicule kids for not wanting to destroy their lives to play a sport instead
 
2013-10-10 07:48:52 AM

JSam21: I think there is no way to truly protect from head injuries if you play any sports. All sports come with inherent risks.


Which means we should never attempt to mitigate any risk. People still die wearing seatbelts. Its so stupid they make people wear them.
 
2013-10-10 07:55:56 AM

vossiewulf: Anybody who played seriously who tells you they didn't come up feeling a little like the snickers guy who decided he was batman after tough headers is lying to you- you can feel your whole skull flex. And I saw two different guys knocked cold when they were in defensive walls. That's not to mention the couple dozen very bloody skull to skull hits I saw, one of them I saw up close as I (reportedly) did a 360 in the air before hitting the ground. I came to in the hospital remembering nothing since early in the morning.

It's not a bad idea folks. It won't take anything away from the game and it will prevent unnecessary injuries.


You could always hit the ball with your purse instead.
 
2013-10-10 08:13:41 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Unintended consequnce: now the head can be used as a weapon. Look out for an increase in broken collarbones, arms, legs...


Yep.  And likely more concussions too.  Most defenders won't head a long ball, with a helmet they likely will.  I play keep in a handful of rec leagues and I'm always yelling at my back line to just let the ball drop.  It's rec league soccer, no need for brain damage.
 
2013-10-10 08:19:01 AM

JSam21: Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well

Yes... it is more of the american football mentality that prevails in the American soccer. Stay on your feet at all cost. In Europe and Latin America it is go down as soon as you are touched.


Do you guys actually watch sports?

Americans flop in hockey, soccer, basketball, & football.  Anywhere it would get an advantage, just as much as everybody else.

I think the helmets or some padding around the head is a fine idea.  There are international players who use them (Rooney is using one currently)
 
2013-10-10 08:23:21 AM
Methinks the superintendent doesn't know how concussions work.
 
2013-10-10 08:27:28 AM

Lost Thought 00: JSam21: I think there is no way to truly protect from head injuries if you play any sports. All sports come with inherent risks.

Which means we should never attempt to mitigate any risk. People still die wearing seatbelts. Its so stupid they make people wear them.


That isn't what I'm saying. But more padding has been shown to make players play more recklessly. Compare American Football to rugby and Aussie Rules for concussion rates.
 
2013-10-10 08:38:05 AM

MugzyBrown: JSam21: Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well

Yes... it is more of the american football mentality that prevails in the American soccer. Stay on your feet at all cost. In Europe and Latin America it is go down as soon as you are touched.

Do you guys actually watch sports?

Americans flop in hockey, soccer, basketball, & football.  Anywhere it would get an advantage, just as much as everybody else.

I think the helmets or some padding around the head is a fine idea.  There are international players who use them (Rooney is using one currently)


It will be interesting to see if Rooney continues to wear it after another week or two when his forehead finishes healing.  If it's something that a player at that level will wear, it would actually do good.

Concussions are serious.  I grew up riding horses and there's a video called "Every Time, Every Ride" that we watched a few times.  It is surprisingly easy to do significant damage to the brainy bits just from a 4 foot drop.
 
2013-10-10 08:43:31 AM

JSam21: So why not for basketball, volleyball, tennis, and cheerleading? If it is for all sports then it needs to be for all sports.


does that mean dance squad is a sport as well if you are counting cheerleading?
 
2013-10-10 08:48:32 AM
From TFA:
Pediatric neurosurgeon Dr Alexander Post, with the New Jersey Pediatric Neuroscience Institute, told the Times: 'You can get a concussion from pretty much doing anything. Any activity carries a certain degree of potential risk and you have to weigh that risk.
'In general, the headgear is good for reducing abrasions and lacerations, but not for protecting against concussions to any significant degree.'


So you folks saying it's a good idea...Where did you get your doctorate in pediatric neurosurgery?  Or do you think reducing abrasions and lacerations is worth the cost of potentially more reckless plays due to a false sense of security?
 
2013-10-10 08:50:04 AM
What Referee is going to allow a player to wear a helmet like the one pictured in TFA? I can see something like what Rooney or Cech wear, but there is no way any player showing up to any game I'm refereeing wearing something with a face mask on it is going to play, I don't care what their school requires.
 
2013-10-10 09:01:14 AM
as others have said it won't do much for concussions because there's nothing you can do to provide extra stability for the brain inside your skull other than not hit your head like an idiot

you could just make a rule where players are allowed to place their arms between the ball and their head when heading
 
2013-10-10 09:08:54 AM

JSam21: Lost Thought 00: JSam21: I think there is no way to truly protect from head injuries if you play any sports. All sports come with inherent risks.

Which means we should never attempt to mitigate any risk. People still die wearing seatbelts. Its so stupid they make people wear them.

That isn't what I'm saying. But more padding has been shown to make players play more recklessly. Compare American Football to rugby and Aussie Rules for concussion rates.


That's comparing apples to automobiles. Different sports with different rules with different styles of play and different types of contact under different conditions. We tried this experiment and it failed. Football used to be played without helmets, and the head injury results were worse, not better, than they are now.
 
2013-10-10 09:10:17 AM

nursetim: What Referee is going to allow a player to wear a helmet like the one pictured in TFA? I can see something like what Rooney or Cech wear, but there is no way any player showing up to any game I'm refereeing wearing something with a face mask on it is going to play, I don't care what their school requires.


You should be banned from reffing
 
2013-10-10 09:22:24 AM

iggyskuz: JSam21: So why not for basketball, volleyball, tennis, and cheerleading? If it is for all sports then it needs to be for all sports.

does that mean dance squad is a sport as well if you are counting cheerleading?


I know in Missouri they are governed by the same organization... so yes.
 
2013-10-10 09:27:20 AM

Lost Thought 00: nursetim: What Referee is going to allow a player to wear a helmet like the one pictured in TFA? I can see something like what Rooney or Cech wear, but there is no way any player showing up to any game I'm refereeing wearing something with a face mask on it is going to play, I don't care what their school requires.

You should be banned from reffing


The face mask for soccer is unnecessary. I see it for lacrosse and field hockey due to the sticks and higher potential for eye injuries.
 
2013-10-10 09:47:03 AM
Ban using your head to play the soccer ball.

Problem solved.
 
2013-10-10 09:54:15 AM
How well can you head a ball with a soft helmet?  It might cut down on headers by making them no longer effective as a way to shoot.
 
2013-10-10 10:06:20 AM
A pediatric neurologist from Hopkins told me that she sees many, many head injuries from futbol.  In fact, she told me that if I wanted to keep my child (epilepsy and episodic ataxia) from additional neurological issues, she would rather he played american football than soccer.

He is now a middle linebacker in high school.  I still hate to watch him play, though.  Watching your son get trucked by offensive lineman who out weigh him by 50lbs is not easy.

/csb
 
2013-10-10 10:28:29 AM

JSam21: Lost Thought 00: nursetim: What Referee is going to allow a player to wear a helmet like the one pictured in TFA? I can see something like what Rooney or Cech wear, but there is no way any player showing up to any game I'm refereeing wearing something with a face mask on it is going to play, I don't care what their school requires.

You should be banned from reffing

The face mask for soccer is unnecessary. I see it for lacrosse and field hockey due to the sticks and higher potential for eye injuries.


Upon further review, it does look like the face mask is removable, but it looks like the blue part that is around the face could pose a danger to players; it does look like it's plastic. I have no problem with kids wearing a helmet like the one pictured in the top picture, which is what Watne Rooney currently is wearing and Petr Cech has worn for years. I'm looking at it from a safety issue, since FIFA states clearly players are only allowed to wear headgear that is soft foam and will not create a danger to the player or others. I'm not sure why the other Farker said I should be banned; could just be a troll, but as a Referee in AYSO, player safety is my top concern. I'm not sure if this school has checked to see if these helmets comply with whatever rules Jersey has in place for high school soccer in regards to headgear.
 
2013-10-10 10:48:36 AM

netweavr: This makes sense given the stats coming out on concussions in teenage girls.


But it doesn't make sense with all the stats indicating that the helmets do nothing to prevent concussions.
 
2013-10-10 11:36:14 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I cant wait til they get helmets for the swim team.


www.swimoutlet.com
 
2013-10-10 11:40:56 AM

nursetim: What Referee is going to allow a player to wear a helmet like the one pictured in TFA? I can see something like what Rooney or Cech wear, but there is no way any player showing up to any game I'm refereeing wearing something with a face mask on it is going to play, I don't care what their school requires.


The face mask one is for women's lacrosse.
 
2013-10-10 12:04:43 PM

Blink: HaywoodJablonski: Unintended consequnce: now the head can be used as a weapon. Look out for an increase in broken collarbones, arms, legs...

I actually had that exact same thought.  I played soccer in college, and I recall regularly wimping out on big headers -- or plays where to people go up and try to head the same ball.  The reason:  My skull does not like getting bashed.

However, if someone gave me a helmet, I'd be slamming my head into every play.

I'm not a big fan out of creating new guidelines for all just because one or two people get hurt.  Hell, every time we formed a wall in front of a direct kick, you KNEW it was going to hurt like hell -- doesn't mean I want direct kicks taken out of the game.  It's just an aspect that comes with a contact sport.


You can protect your balls or your head.  Which one will you choose?  I also went less than 100% on headers that hung up there for a while and 50-50 tackles.
//played college ball too.
 
2013-10-10 12:07:16 PM

Where wolf: MugzyBrown: JSam21: Not a big soccer guy, but don't Americans tend to play a more physical and less flopping style of soccer than most Europeans and Latin American countries do? It seems the US soccer team flops a lot less than their Euro and Latin counterparts.

/Euros and Latins love to flop in hoops as well

Yes... it is more of the american football mentality that prevails in the American soccer. Stay on your feet at all cost. In Europe and Latin America it is go down as soon as you are touched.

Do you guys actually watch sports?

Americans flop in hockey, soccer, basketball, & football.  Anywhere it would get an advantage, just as much as everybody else.

I think the helmets or some padding around the head is a fine idea.  There are international players who use them (Rooney is using one currently)

It will be interesting to see if Rooney continues to wear it after another week or two when his forehead finishes healing.  If it's something that a player at that level will wear, it would actually do good.

Concussions are serious.  I grew up riding horses and there's a video called "Every Time, Every Ride" that we watched a few times.  It is surprisingly easy to do significant damage to the brainy bits just from a 4 foot drop.


we also need to keep in mind that it isn't a helmet in the traditional sense.  There's padding, but no hard outer shell.
Petr Cech still wears his and i think with the condition of his skull, he probably will have to wear it for the rest of his career.
 
2013-10-10 12:09:24 PM
I recall hearing about a study that concluded of all HS sports soccer players had the highest incidence of asymptomatic concussions.
 
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