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2013-10-09 07:59:39 PM  
oi14.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-09 08:07:32 PM  
If this guys sculpture wasn't selling before, it is now.
 
2013-10-09 08:09:05 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-09 08:12:43 PM  
and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!
 
2013-10-09 08:13:50 PM  
Nice work. Would like to see more people out doing that.
 
2013-10-09 09:04:45 PM  

Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!


If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.
 
2013-10-09 09:16:07 PM  
Also seen cutting that grass for free:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-09 09:16:08 PM  

timujin: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 284x248]


i24.photobucket.com

I AM GOD HERE!

/love that movie
 
2013-10-09 09:19:02 PM  

dittybopper: If this guy could do it, then they could do it also


Sure, let's try and turn this into a gripe against those damn furloughed workers, refusing to work for free while an assload of Republican millionaires continue to draw pay for f#cking up the country.
 
2013-10-09 09:19:43 PM  

dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.


It's hard to make a point when people are willing to do the job without compensation. We "CAN'T" have that happening, now can we?
 
2013-10-09 09:21:08 PM  
Next Plumber Joe?
 
2013-10-09 09:22:18 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: refusing to work for free


Really? For free? So you think they won't be getting back pay when the dust settles? You know... back pay for doing nothing the whole time?
 
2013-10-09 09:26:01 PM  
me thinks it's time for the million lawnmower march!

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-09 09:26:50 PM  

dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.


i.imgur.com
When "anybody can do it" goes wrong.


Also, in an objectivist free market, only fools work for free.
 
2013-10-09 09:29:28 PM  
Jeez, look up the laws, then talk. Furloughed feds are barred BY LAW from volunteering to work.

I am actually unsure what regs the National Park Service could cite as far as barring private citizens from voluntarily helping out, and personally, I think the cordoning-off of monuments in DC is a publicity move on the part of DOI execs, but...

In particular, I'm puzzled about the WWII Veterans Memorial.  It's a big open space.  It isn't staffed... it's not like there are curators or guides like the Smithsonian.  Why cordon it off?  Anyone can go there any time, day or night, except for during this furlough.  In fact, in the last furlough in 1996, they didn't do any of this stuff.  Yes, National Parks closed, but really, if they're cordoning off otherwise-unstaffed monuments in DC, they then end up having "essential" staff man those barricades, all without any guarantee of getting paid.

None of this is an excuse for any Park Police jugheads from getting all "Soy la Ley" on somebody who obviously just wants to help out.  The fact he may be hosing some subtle PR move by some DOI executive isn't up to said jughead to decide.
 
2013-10-09 09:38:45 PM  

TheTurtle: Jeez, look up the laws, then talk. Furloughed feds are barred BY LAW from volunteering to work.

I am actually unsure what regs the National Park Service could cite as far as barring private citizens from voluntarily helping out, and personally, I think the cordoning-off of monuments in DC is a publicity move on the part of DOI execs, but...

In particular, I'm puzzled about the WWII Veterans Memorial.  It's a big open space.  It isn't staffed... it's not like there are curators or guides like the Smithsonian.  Why cordon it off?  Anyone can go there any time, day or night, except for during this furlough.  In fact, in the last furlough in 1996, they didn't do any of this stuff.  Yes, National Parks closed, but really, if they're cordoning off otherwise-unstaffed monuments in DC, they then end up having "essential" staff man those barricades, all without any guarantee of getting paid.

None of this is an excuse for any Park Police jugheads from getting all "Soy la Ley" on somebody who obviously just wants to help out.  The fact he may be hosing some subtle PR move by some DOI executive isn't up to said jughead to decide.


Washington Monument Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
2013-10-09 09:40:47 PM  
Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.
 
2013-10-09 09:44:08 PM  
Shutdown busting gardener tells how he was ordered off Lincoln Memorial by 'bully robocops'

Robocop vs Lawnmower Man. FIGHT!
 
2013-10-09 09:44:48 PM  

TheTurtle: "In particular, I'm puzzled about the WWII Veterans Memorial.  It's a big open space.  It isn't staffed... it's not like there are curators or guides like the Smithsonian.  Why cordon it off?"



Because it's easier to get people to buy the narrative that evil Republicans are ruining their day if you first make sure their day is ruined.
 
2013-10-09 09:45:16 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-10-09 09:46:13 PM  
I'm 91 miles from DC, I've got a Dixie Chopper, a leaf blower and a can of gas. It's dark out, and rainy...
 
2013-10-09 09:51:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Nice work. Would like to see more people out doing that.


He's an aberration.  Regular people can never, ever do what a government employee can.  That's why this fluke had to be arrested.  People might start wondering why we need to hire non-essential government employees, ever.  Since they aren't, you know, essential.
 
2013-10-09 09:51:52 PM  
 
2013-10-09 09:52:22 PM  

fappomatic: I'm 91 miles from DC, I've got a Dixie Chopper, a leaf blower and a can of gas. It's dark out, and rainy...


Hit it?
 
2013-10-09 09:53:38 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: dittybopper: If this guy could do it, then they could do it also

Sure, let's try and turn this into a gripe against those damn furloughed workers, refusing to work for free while an assload of Republican millionaires continue to draw pay for f#cking up the country.


However the furloughed workers will be paid for the time they were furloughed. Sure they will be without a paycheck for a while but in the end they have been given a paid holiday. I'm not sure about anyone else but if I was paying someone to do a job and they didn't and expected pay anyway I'd be pissed. Not at the workers but at the management, what is the point of the furlough if they will get paid anyway it doesn't save any money.
 
2013-10-09 09:56:29 PM  
Maybe he was...recreating.
 
2013-10-09 09:59:17 PM  
Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.
 
2013-10-09 09:59:33 PM  
Is it just me, or is the whole national parks/monuments aspect of the shutdown getting way too much attention? I don't understand the abundance of coverage on these things. Yeah, it sucks. But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.
 
2013-10-09 10:00:01 PM  

GORDON: NewportBarGuy: Nice work. Would like to see more people out doing that.

He's an aberration. Regular people can never, ever do what a government employee can. That's why this fluke had to be arrested. People might start wondering why we need to hire non-essential government employees, ever. Since they aren't, you know, essential.


I know Corporate America has the same mantra. The only reason they've been meeting quarterly numbers is because they are treating all their employees as non-essential. How the consumer hasn't buckled and broke under the strain only goes to show you how resilient we are when we're being shat upon.

I'm an essential govt. employee and I love my job. I'd do it if I wasn't being paid, but I do have bills to pay. That's the one really important thing the Republicans just don't factor in to these goddamn games of brinksmanship. These people need to make payments and the economy needs those payments.

This whole thing has to stop. It is childish, reckless and just batsh*t insane.

FlameDuck: Next Plumber Joe?


He doesn't sound like a jackass. He honestly seems like he's just trying to do the right thing. Though, if history is any gauge, I'm sure 10 stories will run tomorrow showing him to be some insane person or something.
 
2013-10-09 10:00:54 PM  

asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.


You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.
 
2013-10-09 10:01:14 PM  
At least Congress still has a place to workout. If their gym isn't essential I don't know what is.
 
2013-10-09 10:02:22 PM  

johnperkins: Maybe he was...recreating.


Well, he did have a gas can.

coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com

/damn party liquor
 
2013-10-09 10:03:20 PM  

fappomatic: I'm 91 miles from DC, I've got a Dixie Chopper, a leaf blower and a can of gas. It's dark out, and rainy...


Tommorrow's Headline:
"Mad Man Wielding Automatic Slingbade and Homemade Flamethrower Arrested in Nation's Capitol"
 
2013-10-09 10:03:25 PM  
Now I have the compulsion to make a GOP  FW: FW: Fw: FW: Evil Obama email with this story....

\help...
 
2013-10-09 10:05:09 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Is it just me, or is the whole national parks/monuments aspect of the shutdown getting way too much attention? I don't understand the abundance of coverage on these things. Yeah, it sucks. But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.


Seeing all the parking along the GW Parkway blocked with barriers cracks me up.
 
2013-10-09 10:05:10 PM  
 
2013-10-09 10:07:18 PM  

dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.


Except lt's a felony. for them to.
 
2013-10-09 10:08:36 PM  

goatleggedfellow: asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.

You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.


You are what is wrong with America. The America I live in puts the country before the Free Market.

Doing something for your community is a bad thing to you? They are not REPLACING the workers, they are trying to do something good for America whilst two political parties fight.

You must be a truly horrible person.
 
2013-10-09 10:09:28 PM  

gweilo8888: llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.

Yep, not at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/citizen-lawn-mower-at-lincoln-me mo rial-also-blows-leaves-and-cuts-up-downed-branches/2013/10/09/0383e710 -3120-11e3-89ae-16e186e117d8_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/man-mows-lincoln-memorial_n _4 072665.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231073855/to-help-dur in g-shutdown-man-mows-lawn-around-lincoln-memorial

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606793/amid-government-shutdow n- one-man-memorial-militia-cleans-up-national-mall/

Ah, fark it. You know what? Do it yourself, you lazy SOB.

https://www.google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chri s+ cox%22&safe=off&tbm=nws


You got that last URL wrong. Here: [Link]
 
2013-10-09 10:10:20 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.


We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.
 
2013-10-09 10:10:58 PM  
The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.
 
2013-10-09 10:12:59 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: You got that last URL wrong. Here: [Link]


Actually, I got it right. (Add a www. to google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chris+cox%22&sa fe=off&tbm=nws and see for yourself.) Just Fark's retarded filters stripped it on submit.

But thanks anyway.
 
2013-10-09 10:15:08 PM  

relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.


So we're on the "A government shutdown isn't that bad!" page, today?
 
2013-10-09 10:16:14 PM  
Sure they will mow the lawn at the Lincoln Memorial, but where are the volunteers to trim back your mom's bush? I mean, srsly, is it 1978 up in there or what?
 
2013-10-09 10:18:37 PM  

LordJiro: relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.

So we're on the "A government shutdown isn't that bad!" page, today?


tell me what you are terrified of please. I'll try to help you throw this Apocalypse.
 
2013-10-09 10:24:01 PM  

relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.


There are quite a few federal agencies that are not shutdown that aren't "essential". They're generally agencies that break even (or make money) via some type of fee structure.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/afb27d42b8b243ee9b491a121319cd ea /US-Shutdown-Still-Working

- Passport offices run by the State Department, along with U.S. citizen services at foreign consulates. The State Department is also still accepting and processing visa applications for foreign travelers who want to visit the United States.

- The Health and Human Services Department offices that handle Medicare and Medicaid, along with the health insurance marketplaces under the new health care law.

- The Farm Credit Administration, which provides loans and other services for farmers and rural areas.

- The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which regulates truck and bus safety, and the Federal Highway Administration, which primarily directs federal highway aid to states. Both agencies are funded in large part with federal gasoline and diesel taxes, which are still available despite the government shutdown.

- The Federal Aviation Administration's airport improvements program, which mainly processes grants to airports; it operates on revenue from taxes on passengers.

- The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office is operating with fees authorized for spending in a prior year. That money is finite and may not last through an extended government shutdown.

- The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is also using "carryover" funding from previous years. The agency expects to have enough money to keep operating at least through the middle of next week
.

My agency is still operating because upper management budgets in 1-2 months of operating expenses to carry over every FY, specifically in anticipation of government shutdowns.  How bad is Congress that management of entire agencies include "potential shutdown" into their annual budget?
 
2013-10-09 10:24:05 PM  

relcec: tell me what you are terrified of please. I'll try to help you throw this Apocalypse.


I need help getting my import permits.  No import permits, no importing the stuff I need to sell.  My customers don't get the product they need to sell.  Their customers don't get the stuff they want.
 
2013-10-09 10:26:01 PM  
Lot of fuss over TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.
 
2013-10-09 10:27:06 PM  
This guy's a hero.

I hope there's a hundred people with lawn mowers and lawn equipment, doing the exact same thing.

And re: they're barred from law from volunteering: Do it anyway, let's see them enforce it. And then let's see it hold up in court.

"Shutting down" open air monuments? Telling a guy volunteering to leave (presumably under threat of arrest)? What a crock.
 
2013-10-09 10:27:24 PM  

relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.


Well we can't all be blissfully ignorant.
 
2013-10-09 10:27:24 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III
 
2013-10-09 10:31:36 PM  

ShawnDoc: relcec: tell me what you are terrified of please. I'll try to help you throw this Apocalypse.

I need help getting my import permits.  No import permits, no importing the stuff I need to sell.  My customers don't get the product they need to sell.  Their customers don't get the stuff they want.


are they still not letting you import without permits?
in all events, international trade sounds essential. let's put that on the list as they were erroneously left off. so there are another 1k workers. we now have 4 groups that won't get canned.
good, we're making progress here. only 974k left to go.
 
2013-10-09 10:31:52 PM  

goatleggedfellow: asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.

You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.


Umm, no.

NOBODY stands to be paid right now to do groundskeeping at national parks, etc. If I understand right, those people are furloughed. Your flippant and bombastic attack is seriously flawed.

Unless you're trolling, in which case you're not doing well at that either; troll posts aren't usually completely false-premised.
 
2013-10-09 10:32:23 PM  
Has there ever been consideration of a "popcorn" tag for threads that obviously will go the way of this one?
 
2013-10-09 10:33:15 PM  

RevRaven: This guy's a hero.

I hope there's a hundred people with lawn mowers and lawn equipment, doing the exact same thing.

And re: they're barred from law from volunteering: Do it anyway, let's see them enforce it. And then let's see it hold up in court.

"Shutting down" open air monuments? Telling a guy volunteering to leave (presumably under threat of arrest)? What a crock.


I'm amazed that there are people who don't understand that just because something is "open-air" it can't be closed.
 
2013-10-09 10:34:22 PM  

symptomoftheuniverse: Has there ever been consideration of a "popcorn" tag for threads that obviously will go the way of this one?


Heh, not a bad idea. I always like the headline formula of "[blah dee blah] to the left, well-reasoned discussion to the right"
 
2013-10-09 10:34:42 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III


Farking REALLY!? FFS we have some stupid laws and laws that were applied really, really badly.

/why is "politician" a FARKING DAY JOB!?
 
2013-10-09 10:35:43 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III


Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.
 
2013-10-09 10:36:39 PM  
I see where the guy is coming from and it's a nice gesture, but really, just leave it alone..it isn't your property to mow. Let the grass grow a bit..it's better for the environment anyway. I'm also a bit frightened that a place goes into complete 'disrepair' after just 8 days....
 
2013-10-09 10:37:37 PM  
BUT if he'd been an illegal Mexican with a lawn mower, protesting and a'mowin for amnesty....well, that's be perfectly okay.

/I hope the national park service remembers this when we pave yellow stone park and backfill that eyesore ditch in Arizona with worthless US currency.
 
2013-10-09 10:37:55 PM  
This guy really has nothing better to do?
 
2013-10-09 10:38:44 PM  
It's because his lawnmowing isn't quality assured and panel tested, thus it cannot be allowed into the publicly funded locations.
 
2013-10-09 10:38:46 PM  

symptomoftheuniverse: Has there ever been consideration of a "popcorn" tag for threads that obviously will go the way of this one?


You mean reasoned debate with constructive solutions? I don't get the popcorn reference, but sure.
 
2013-10-09 10:40:54 PM  

Karma Chameleon: But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.


Sure, if you want to live in a community that just builds grey concrete block structures and treats everyone like worker bees with no value (because fark their opinions). That sounds like FUN.
 
2013-10-09 10:43:42 PM  

nickerj1: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.


Just to further comment.  It'd be interesting to have a collaborative effort where every non-manager came in and volunteered and still worked.  And then every manager issued a memo stating "I hereby do not accept any volunteered work or services".

And then employees completely ignored it and kept volunteering.  No one would be breaking a law because management wasn't "accepting" the volunteering.
 
2013-10-09 10:44:26 PM  

relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.


Really? You don't need the US Geological Service?? Have fun with that next earthquake.
 
2013-10-09 10:47:06 PM  

farkingismybusiness: TheTurtle: Jeez, look up the laws, then talk. Furloughed feds are barred BY LAW from volunteering to work.

I am actually unsure what regs the National Park Service could cite as far as barring private citizens from voluntarily helping out, and personally, I think the cordoning-off of monuments in DC is a publicity move on the part of DOI execs, but...

In particular, I'm puzzled about the WWII Veterans Memorial.  It's a big open space.  It isn't staffed... it's not like there are curators or guides like the Smithsonian.  Why cordon it off?  Anyone can go there any time, day or night, except for during this furlough.  In fact, in the last furlough in 1996, they didn't do any of this stuff.  Yes, National Parks closed, but really, if they're cordoning off otherwise-unstaffed monuments in DC, they then end up having "essential" staff man those barricades, all without any guarantee of getting paid.

None of this is an excuse for any Park Police jugheads from getting all "Soy la Ley" on somebody who obviously just wants to help out.  The fact he may be hosing some subtle PR move by some DOI executive isn't up to said jughead to decide.

Washington Monument Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Pleased that someone actually came up with a name for the illness.  Still doesn't justify being complete dickheads, though.
 
2013-10-09 10:47:34 PM  

dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.


No, asshole, can't. We would get fired for it. I know this is hard for you to understand, so I'll type slowly: we are prohibited from returning to our duty places until recall and cannot even volunteer to work. Furthermore the guy doing it, while well intentioned, is a douche canoe for whining about the guard doing his job and chasing him off.
 
2013-10-09 10:48:14 PM  

Cynicism101: relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.

Really? You don't need the US Geological Service?? Have fun with that next earthquake.


They've done a piss poor job of stopping the last few, anyway. Time for some employment churn to get them back on the ball.
 
2013-10-09 10:48:42 PM  
Don't worry, he was kicked out by the police before he could finish.

Crisis averted.
 
2013-10-09 10:50:19 PM  

nickerj1: nickerj1: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.

Just to further comment.  It'd be interesting to have a collaborative effort where every non-manager came in and volunteered and still worked.  And then every manager issued a memo stating "I hereby do not accept any volunteered work or services".

And then employees completely ignored it and kept volunteering.  No one would be breaking a law because management wasn't "accepting" the volunteering.


Most lnterpretatlon of the 19th century law seems to agree lt ls wrltten such that lt ls lllegal to volunteer unless dept ls funded.
 
2013-10-09 10:50:33 PM  
Pretty sure if you went to some random office complex that had a lawn they wouldn't react too kindly if you decided to mow it without the owner's permission.
 
2013-10-09 10:50:44 PM  
Sadly mowing the lawn, sawing up downed trees, or picking up trash on federal property as a private citizen is a crime.  I don't know why but this is the law - even though it is rarely enforced.
 
2013-10-09 10:50:54 PM  
Its embarrassing that our country is more concerned about cutting federal grass than they are donating formula and milk to needy infants.


Sometimes I really despise my countrymen.
 
2013-10-09 10:52:30 PM  

ElLoco: Barricaded Gunman: refusing to work for free

Really? For free? So you think they won't be getting back pay when the dust settles? You know... back pay for doing nothing the whole time?


So cute. I am essentially working for free right now. Know why? Because that promise of being paid eventually was enough for them to recall me. I don't WANT to get paid for sitting on my ass because I didn't earn it and I am glad I still have a job, but the promise doesn't feed my kids or pay my mortgage. So, in essence, eat a dick.
 
2013-10-09 10:52:40 PM  
elmundomaschido.com

Guy in question?
 
2013-10-09 10:53:17 PM  
I'm perfectly willing to make a deal here...

If private charity manages to take up for public programs and manages to cover them... Then by gum, I will never say another bad word about Compassionate Conservatism again.
So... Have at...
 
2013-10-09 10:53:25 PM  

nickerj1: relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.

There are quite a few federal agencies that are not shutdown that aren't "essential". They're generally agencies that break even (or make money) via some type of fee structure.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/afb27d42b8b243ee9b491a121319cd ea /US-Shutdown-Still-Working

- Passport offices run by the State Department, along with U.S. citizen services at foreign consulates. The State Department is also still accepting and processing visa applications for foreign travelers who want to visit the United States.

- The Health and Human Services Department offices that handle Medicare and Medicaid, along with the health insurance marketplaces under the new health care law.

- The Farm Credit Administration, which provides loans and other services for farmers and rural areas.

- The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which regulates truck and bus safety, and the Federal Highway Administration, which primarily directs federal highway aid to states. Both agencies are funded in large part with federal gasoline and diesel taxes, which are still available despite the government shutdown.

- The Federal Aviation Administration's airport improvements program, which mainly processes grants to airports; it ...



- f*ck the farmers. and creating a bureau to deal with their specific loans is retarded. quit subsidizing them, let food prices increase to a sustainable level, then give poor people more cash directly if they need it. I don't want to be in the business of subsidizing Cargil directly anymore.
Also make them pay the going rate for american workers, use machines, or possibly even better let mexico grow the shiat so its not such a nightmare society bereft of jobs. enough of this subsidizing farmers by letting them import peasants form a third world country that don't make enough to even live decently that we all then have to take care of while they profit.

- if the highway administration and airport whatever are largely self-sustaining threw receipts and aren't shutting down because of that, I'm not sure what the gripe is. Doesn't that sound like something that is working instead of cause to biatch?

-let's add the patent bureau to the essential list.
there, another 15k nonessential federal workers get to keep there jobs. down to 960k people that get the axe next week.
and another thing, being able to patent business processes and colors is f*cking retarded. change that law while you add them to the essential list.

-CMS and DHHS obviously should be on the essential list, this is also where the food inspectors come from apparently. obama must have made a error when he said they were nonessential.
let's pretend that all 39,000 are vital and let them all back on.
now only 922k people left to fire.

again, what do all these other people do that no one but they notice? what do the 400k military workers that aren't working do? you know what maybe we can stop bombing another country at least once a decade for the past CENTURY and let these folks do something productive.
if one third of garbage workers were laid off on Monday, I'd have a great idea something was seriously wrong by Thursday.
 
2013-10-09 10:53:39 PM  
nickerj1: I was federal for about sixteen years, and I don't remember more than maybe one or two years where we had a real budget on time.  Everything we dealt with was CR this, CR that, and then in July we'd get a year's worth of money dumped on us which had to be spent by September 30. I tried hard to avoid spending it on stupid shiat, but it was made clear it HAD TO GET SPENT or we'd get cut the next year.
 
2013-10-09 10:54:15 PM  

Lt_Ryan: Barricaded Gunman: dittybopper: If this guy could do it, then they could do it also

Sure, let's try and turn this into a gripe against those damn furloughed workers, refusing to work for free while an assload of Republican millionaires continue to draw pay for f#cking up the country.

However the furloughed workers will be paid for the time they were furloughed. Sure they will be without a paycheck for a while but in the end they have been given a paid holiday. I'm not sure about anyone else but if I was paying someone to do a job and they didn't and expected pay anyway I'd be pissed. Not at the workers but at the management, what is the point of the furlough if they will get paid anyway it doesn't save any money.


I have a few furloughed friends who would jump at the chance to work if they knew there was only the slightest biatchance of getting paid.  Instead they are stuck at home bored legally barred from even checking their work email.
 
2013-10-09 10:54:57 PM  
076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
You don't mow another man's lawn!
 
2013-10-09 10:58:48 PM  

Alphakronik: donating formula and milk to needy infants.


Most milk would turn by the time an infant could safely consume it.

Better to fatten up its mother and let her breast-feed.

/ maybe an Olive Garden gift certificate would be in order
 
2013-10-09 10:58:49 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Is it just me, or is the whole national parks/monuments aspect of the shutdown getting way too much attention? I don't understand the abundance of coverage on these things. Yeah, it sucks. But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.


It's because it highlights the petty and vindictive nature of this administrations policies who is doing their best to make it hurt when it doesn't have to. It's quite clear to most people that they will allow things that they want or like (immigration rally on the national mall which was supposed to be closed for example) while closing open air memorials. This is just another tic mark on a long list of petty closings and actions by the NPS and their desire to make it hurt by any means necessary and to make it as public as possible.

People understand museums closing, they understand large parks closing, what they don't understand is seemingly malicious closings of things that don't need to be closed. Take the Cliff House in San Francisco for example. It's a famous century and a half old restaurant that was forced to close by the NPS because they are considered a concession due to how the GGNRA was laid out. It is fronted by San Francisco streets, has parking owned by San Francisco (and the parking meters to prove it) is serviced by SFPD and SFFD, uses San Francisco water and power and is staffed by non-government employees. Zero reasons to close it down for any normal person looking at it objectively. Yet it was for no other reason than to fabricate inconvenience for the public by the NPS. Never before during these budget battles has it been closed, mainly because it's pointless to do so due to it having no reliance upon the NPS and through the concession, generates a lot of money for the NPS. It isn't a cheap restaurant to eat at, it's not a  hot dog, or corn dog if you're an Anne Hathaway fan, stand I can assure you if you're not dropping at least a bill there for a dinner for two at sunset then you're doing it wrong. Brunch on Sunday is for the cheap people but it still will cost you $25 per person.

Meanwhile the diner 50 yards away with almost the exact same view is open for business albeit without the white tablecloths (red and white plastic ones the last time I was there). My point here being that there is no reason for the NPS to close it unless they wanted to pass on the pain and for me that's just supremely petty on their part. I don't blame the rangers or even their immediate supervisors for this. I blame the people at the top who set policies that they have to follow.
 
2013-10-09 10:59:11 PM  
Dude needs to get a job.  I bet he's on food stamps.
 
2013-10-09 11:01:06 PM  

ElLoco: Barricaded Gunman: refusing to work for free

Really? For free? So you think they won't be getting back pay when the dust settles? You know... back pay for doing nothing the whole time?


And they would be in violation of federal law for doing it now.  And there is at this point no guarantee that they will get back pay.  Whether someone thinks they will now from the comfort of their chair is irrelevant.
 
2013-10-09 11:01:37 PM  

nickerj1: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.


Sorry dude, the furlough paperwork I received was very explicit on thay point. No volunteering or showing up until recalled. I do work overtime without compensation sometimes, 8 hours just ain't enough to get it all done somedays.
 
2013-10-09 11:03:15 PM  
This is a great idea! I'm headed out to the airport right now to inspect some planes and tomorrow I'm going to the hospital to inject some stuff I found in the garage into some cancer kids!

Let's go America!

ridefortheconstitution.org
 
2013-10-09 11:04:37 PM  

llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.


Derp.
 
2013-10-09 11:05:24 PM  
I thought Lawnmower Man WAS the Government. (rimshot)

Please send my Internets to me c/o Fark.com and they'll forward them to me.
 
2013-10-09 11:05:32 PM  

asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.


Sounds good but I am sure someone will turn it into a political statement.
 
2013-10-09 11:06:00 PM  

TheTurtle: I am actually unsure what regs the National Park Service could cite as far as barring private citizens from voluntarily helping out, and personally, I think the cordoning-off of monuments in DC is a publicity move on the part of DOI execs, but...


Largely it's a liability issue.  He empties a trash can, throws out his back and sues.
 
2013-10-09 11:06:12 PM  

gweilo8888: ArcadianRefugee: You got that last URL wrong. Here: [Link]

Actually, I got it right. (Add a www. to google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chris+cox%22&sa fe=off&tbm=nws and see for yourself.) Just Fark's retarded filters stripped it on submit.

But thanks anyway.


I was meaning more you should have given him the lmgtfy link instead of the straight Google one. Sorry.

machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III


*Sigh* I meant for his post, not yours.

/obviously out of sorts tonight, so I'll just sign off
 
2013-10-09 11:06:21 PM  

gweilo8888: llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.

Yep, not at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/citizen-lawn-mower-at-lincoln-me mo rial-also-blows-leaves-and-cuts-up-downed-branches/2013/10/09/0383e710 -3120-11e3-89ae-16e186e117d8_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/man-mows-lincoln-memorial_n _4 072665.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231073855/to-help-dur in g-shutdown-man-mows-lawn-around-lincoln-memorial

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606793/amid-government-shutdow n- one-man-memorial-militia-cleans-up-national-mall/

Ah, fark it. You know what? Do it yourself, you lazy SOB.

https://www.google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chri s+ cox%22&safe=off&tbm=nws


Reality 1, GOP shill 0
 
2013-10-09 11:07:03 PM  

goatleggedfellow: asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.

You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.


You know what?  Even here on Fark- it's about time to call BS.  Those furloughed workers will get paid back pay- it's how our convoluted system works.  Work for free?  Is someone giving this guy fuel, supplies and expenses?  Is the brutal truth that he is paying himself to step up and take care of things?  In my humble opinion, he is demonstrating real heroism.  He isn't trying to be personal, just realistic.

All BS aside- this one man is quietly stepping up.  Many of us Americans who simply want a government for the people and by the people again- this guy found a way.  Find whatever fault you want to- the fact remains that with more people like him, those asshats leading this country will become obsolete.

Why should our leaders really care?  What is their motivation?  They get salaries FOR LIFE.  Shut down the country, cut 'non essential' services, (essential is such a relative word, after all) when the day ends- congress gets paid.  Federal workers will get back pay.  Why SHOULD they care if death benefits for Veterans are suspended and those who die in combat can't be properly buried?  They will all go to sleep tonight well fed, well housed and comfortable.

Call him what you will, mock him, and spout your crap.  It's a free country, right?  Oh, wait- those freedoms we believe we have?  Is anyone on duty to ensure them?  Or are those 'defending' us actually busy standing guard around those irresponsible asshats who can't get along?

*disgusted*
 
2013-10-09 11:07:47 PM  

ElLoco: Barricaded Gunman: refusing to work for free

Really? For free? So you think they won't be getting back pay when the dust settles? You know... back pay for doing nothing the whole time?


gmanfortruth.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-09 11:08:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: [elmundomaschido.com image 635x311]

Guy in question?


Hobo with a Shotgun is one of those rare classics that restores your faith in modern cinema.
 
2013-10-09 11:09:29 PM  

dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.


I haven't read the thread yet.  Has anyone said anything more idiotic than this?
 
2013-10-09 11:09:30 PM  
Hey, you know what I don't want? Joe Blow from god knows where doing whatever he feels is best to our national treasures.

Best intentions are nice and all, but come on. That stuff needs to be coordinated well beyond the "let's all grab our mowers and clip the Lincoln Memorial" level.
 
2013-10-09 11:10:18 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcd n .com image 720x368]
You don't mow another man's lawn!


Winnar.
 
2013-10-09 11:12:02 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Is it just me, or is the whole national parks/monuments aspect of the shutdown getting way too much attention? I don't understand the abundance of coverage on these things. Yeah, it sucks. But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.


National monuments are patriotic. Neither Party sees any margin in discussing things that affect people's health, safety and lives.

The GOP are happy to ruin transfers and entitlements for anybody other than their own, but they can't admit it, while the Democrats are vulnerable to the taxy-spendy meme.

So stick Grandma on an ice floe and push her out to sea to feed the waiting polar bears and orca. Nobody's going to talk about that aspect of the shut-down.
 
2013-10-09 11:14:49 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lot of fuss over TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.


You cannot be serious.  Veterans memorials are tourist attractions?  Silly me- all along I thought they were to HONOR VETERANS.  National Parks- tourist attractions?  Here I thought they were places US CITIZENS could travel to in order to revel in this place we call the US.

These places represent our history, and what led us to where we are now.  I'm not proud of where we are now, but I sure as hell won't forget to honor our past before leaders screwed us up so badly.
 
2013-10-09 11:14:54 PM  

ajgeek: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Farking REALLY!? FFS we have some stupid laws and laws that were applied really, really badly.

/why is "politician" a FARKING DAY JOB!?


It's in the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 6
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.
 
2013-10-09 11:16:04 PM  
Hey - this guy's great! I like the way he thinks! Perhaps when this shutdown's over we could create some sort of service department for our national parks. We can train people in the history of these treasures, and hire real professionals like him to keep and maintain them. Bet they'd be real tourist magnets too, and such a boon to the economy!

But aw, that's just crazy talk. There's no way the GOP would go for such a Big Gov't program like that.
 
2013-10-09 11:16:13 PM  
That's why Detroit is so beautiful. The government failed and the people stepped up. Not a bit of graffiti or urban decay in sight.

I'm sure this guy will continue maintaining the site on a regular basis and not just as a solitary stunt.
 
2013-10-09 11:17:32 PM  

Cynicism101: relcec: The longer this *shutdown* goes on for, the more it looks like we had Tammany Hall running this nation all along.

If any other sector in the economy had one million people or one third of its workforce stop coming to work suddenly one day and never come back I think couple hundred million people would notice pretty quick.

But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue.

How about this, bring back the 20k parks people, the 1k FDA inspectors, and the few dozen that process passport applications and then fire the 975,000 others.

Really? You don't need the US Geological Service?? Have fun with that next earthquake.


We don't need volcano monitors either.
 
2013-10-09 11:17:44 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Karma Chameleon: Is it just me, or is the whole national parks/monuments aspect of the shutdown getting way too much attention? I don't understand the abundance of coverage on these things. Yeah, it sucks. But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.

It's because it highlights the petty and vindictive nature of this administrations policies who is doing their best to make it hurt when it doesn't have to. It's quite clear to most people that they will allow things that they want or like (immigration rally on the national mall which was supposed to be closed for example) while closing open air memorials. This is just another tic mark on a long list of petty closings and actions by the NPS and their desire to make it hurt by any means necessary and to make it as public as possible.


Reality check: the parks and such get closed in every govt shutdown. The only way this is about this particular administration is that the right wing desperately wants it to be. You want to scream about the peculiarity of govt that it ally costs money to shutdown then have fun, but recognize it's the way it works, not the administration being biatchy, eh?
 
2013-10-09 11:19:21 PM  

gweilo8888: llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.

Yep, not at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/citizen-lawn-mower-at-lincoln-me mo rial-also-blows-leaves-and-cuts-up-downed-branches/2013/10/09/0383e710 -3120-11e3-89ae-16e186e117d8_story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/man-mows-lincoln-memorial_n _4 072665.html

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/10/09/231073855/to-help-dur in g-shutdown-man-mows-lawn-around-lincoln-memorial

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606793/amid-government-shutdow n- one-man-memorial-militia-cleans-up-national-mall/

Ah, fark it. You know what? Do it yourself, you lazy SOB.

https://www.google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chri s+ cox%22&safe=off&tbm=nws


Give him a break he already learned a new word today and tried to use it as a slight against the media.

The fact that he used it incorrectly should tell you he is at max capacity for learning today. Try again tomorrow before his Glenn Beck "Word Of the Day To Piss Off Dirty Libs" email reaches his in box
 
2013-10-09 11:19:37 PM  
I first met Chris 4 years ago while I was playing music in Charleston, SC. He was a big fan of the band I was playing with, and while he came across as absolutely crazy from the get go, after months/years of getting to know and understand him, I have found him to be one of the most genuine persons I know. Y has a passion for life and adventure, and a humble, self-sacrificing spirit that I wish we could all understand better. This is not a publicity stunt, and he's not in it for the fame or fortune (those of you who might know him know that he doesn't crave those things). He is a simple man with a profound mind and spirit, and I am proud to call him my friend and fellow American.
 
2013-10-09 11:19:57 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: gweilo8888: ArcadianRefugee: You got that last URL wrong. Here: [Link]

Actually, I got it right. (Add a www. to google.com/search?q="chris+cox"&oq="chris+cox"#q=%22chris+cox%22&sa fe=off&tbm=nws and see for yourself.) Just Fark's retarded filters stripped it on submit.

But thanks anyway.

I was meaning more you should have given him the lmgtfy link instead of the straight Google one. Sorry.

machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

*Sigh* I meant for his post, not yours.

/obviously out of sorts tonight, so I'll just sign off


Probably me.
 
2013-10-09 11:20:28 PM  

formerfloozy: Sorry dude, the furlough paperwork I received was very explicit on thay point. No volunteering or showing up until recalled. I do work overtime without compensation sometimes, 8 hours just ain't enough to get it all done somedays.


I don't doubt this. However having some random citizen mow the lawn and take out the trash on their own dime  isn't the same thing. I recently watched the guys from a local halfway house weed the sidewalk next to the local high school. No issues at all and it looked better to boot, something that needed to be done but they never bothered with.

That YOU are prevented is not a point of issue. That regular citizens ARE is a point of issue. Unless you are saying that I cannot pick up litter when I visit federal property (and I am totally guilty of that on more than one occasion) then it's completely stupid to stop this person from doing it simply because the government is "Closed".

/apparently a part of their 12 step program involving giving back
//they weren't stopped from doing it
 
2013-10-09 11:21:18 PM  

chaoticcrash: goatleggedfellow: asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.

You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.

You know what?  Even here on Fark- it's about time to call BS.  Those furloughed workers will get paid back pay- it's how our convoluted system works.  Work for free?  Is someone giving this guy fuel, supplies and expenses?  Is the brutal truth that he is paying himself to step up and take care of things?  In my humble opinion, he is demonstrating real heroism.  He isn't trying to be personal, just realistic.

All BS aside- this one man is quietly stepping up.  Many of us Americans who simply want a government for the people and by the people again- this guy found a way.  Find whatever fault you want to- the fact remains that with more people like him, those asshats leading this country will become obsolete.

Why should our leaders really care?  What is their motivation?  They get salaries FOR LIFE.  Shut down the country, cut 'non essential' services, (essential is such a relative word, after all) when the day ends- congress gets paid.  Federal workers will get back pay.  Why SHOULD they care if death benefits for Veterans are suspended and those who die in combat can't be properly buried?  They will all go to sleep tonight well fed, well housed and comfortable.

Call him what you will, mock him, and spout your crap.  It's a free country, right?  Oh, wait- those freedoms we believe we have?  Is anyone on duty to ensure them?  Or are those 'defending' us actually busy standing guard around those irresponsible asshats who can't get along?

*disgusted*


Please tell me you weren't painting federal workers with the same "don't give a shiat about death benefits and veterans" brush that you just tarred our leadership with. I, and many of my co-workers, are veterans. I also work for the military as well, so it does matter to me and I am not chortling and rubbing my hands in glee while this continues.

I am not getting paid right now, and am fine with receiving pay later, but I still have to buy gas and groceries. I am a single mom, so platitudes don't fill my kids bellies. Stop minimizing the fact that federal employees are wage slaves too. I HAVE to work for a living and I sure as hell don't get six figures to do it. If I read you wrong, I apologize. Otherwise choke on the same dick as dittybopper.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:40 PM  
I think its time to revisit the existence of the National Park Service.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:44 PM  

ShawnDoc: relcec: tell me what you are terrified of please. I'll try to help you throw this Apocalypse.

I need help getting my import permits.  No import permits, no importing the stuff I need to sell.  My customers don't get the product they need to sell.  Their customers don't get the stuff they want.


Find a domestic product to sell.
 
2013-10-09 11:24:44 PM  

BSABSVR: Largely it's a liability issue. He empties a trash can, throws out his back and sues.


Complete BS and you know it. Show me the legions of lawsuits where people doing unsanctioned voluntary work on government lands sue for injuries and win. They don't exist.
 
2013-10-09 11:25:30 PM  
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-10-09 11:25:33 PM  

BSABSVR: TheTurtle: I am actually unsure what regs the National Park Service could cite as far as barring private citizens from voluntarily helping out, and personally, I think the cordoning-off of monuments in DC is a publicity move on the part of DOI execs, but...

Largely it's a liability issue.  He empties a trash can, throws out his back and sues.


you can't sue for that. federal workers who are working and federal workers who are volunteering on department mission related shiat are covered by a federal workers comp system called FECA that mirrors the state ones you are probably more familiar with.

I imagine the issue is there is hypothetical possibility they won't get paid for this time off when they come back, and while that is an event incredibly unlikely to occur, it would create a massive problem if it did occur because many people *volunteering* would undoubtedly be promised by their supervisors and otherwise have a reasonable expectation they would be paid for their performance while volunteering.

an extremely unlikely event that would have devastating consequences if it occurred. like a 8 mile long asteroid hitting cape hatteras for government lawyers.
 
2013-10-09 11:25:50 PM  

ElLoco: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also,  thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

It's hard to make a point when people are willing to do the job without compensation. We "CAN'T" have that happening, now can we?


Lawnmower man might be able to.  The people formerly paid to do it CAN'T do it legally.

31 USC § 1342

Can't

And even lawnmower man himself might be covered there too if he claims to be doing a job voluntarily.  Now saying "I just felt like mowing some grass, and this was convenient" is different
 
2013-10-09 11:26:47 PM  

ladyfortuna: Karma Chameleon: But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.

Sure, if you want to live in a community that just builds grey concrete block structures and treats everyone like worker bees with no value (because fark their opinions). That sounds like FUN.


I should have clarified - secondary concerns during the shutdown. But even then, I'd rather the hundreds of millions funneled into the NEA, NEH and CPB go toward some of the lower rungs of Maslow's hierarchy. I'm not opposed to having a cultured, creative society - in fact I would love that. But there's more important shiat to deal with first.
 
2013-10-09 11:27:12 PM  

llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.


Ah, "quislings": The Free Republic Derp of the Day, despite the fact that 90% don't know what it means.
 
2013-10-09 11:29:34 PM  

ShawnDoc: relcec: tell me what you are terrified of please. I'll try to help you throw this Apocalypse.

I need help getting my import permits.  No import permits, no importing the stuff I need to sell.  My customers don't get the product they need to sell.  Their customers don't get the stuff they want.


Wouldn't you rather just have your national parks open?

I mean relcec already explained to you that no one but a couple of people that planned vacations have noticed a thing about the shutdown so, you pretending that you have some sort of actual need of the government is clearly wrong.

I mean he said it quite clearly "But the federal government furloughs one million people and one third of its workforce and if the John Stewart wasn't vamping and if you didn't already have a trip planned to national monument that is roped off for no reason just like 98% of population you couldn't have a clue."

So, you don't really need those permits and the stark reality is you wouldn't have even noticed if no one said anything.
 
2013-10-09 11:30:08 PM  

seek3r: Reality check: the parks and such get closed in every govt shutdown. The only way this is about this particular administration is that the right wing desperately wants it to be. You want to scream about the peculiarity of govt that it ally costs money to shutdown then have fun, but recognize it's the way it works, not the administration being biatchy, eh?


You cut off my pure example of doing exactly what you claim doesn't happen. Who is in the wrong here? Spin is a bad thing M'Kay. Never before was that place closed duing these budget battles. Mainly because it had zero impact. This time it was. Ask yourself why and get back to me. Wear your big boy pants when you answer.
 
2013-10-09 11:30:15 PM  

buckler: quislings


I had to Google it. My first thought was small sub sandwiches.
 
2013-10-09 11:32:46 PM  

buckler: llevrok: Not reported by Obama's quislings we call the American press.

Ah, "quislings": The Free Republic Derp of the Day, despite the fact that 90% don't know what it means.


Quislings=wannbe zombies, right?

/jk, calling the press traitors for not reporting on lawnmower man is a bit far fetched, doncha think?
 
2013-10-09 11:37:50 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: And even lawnmower man himself might be covered there too if he claims to be doing a job voluntarily. Now saying "I just felt like mowing some grass, and this was convenient" is different


Seeing as he's not looking for compensation that I can see it might fall under the "Forrest Gump" clause of doing it because he liked to do it.

\there is no Forrest Gump clause but you get my meaning right?
 
2013-10-09 11:38:26 PM  

ElLoco: buckler: quislings

I had to Google it. My first thought was small sub sandwiches.


You get a free cup of soup if you order extra treason.
 
2013-10-09 11:40:53 PM  

Cynicism101: Really? You don't need the US Geological Service?? Have fun with that next earthquake.


I don't think the National Weather Service launches their own weather satellites either...
 
2013-10-09 11:44:10 PM  

AndreMA: Cynicism101: Really? You don't need the US Geological Service?? Have fun with that next earthquake.

I don't think the National Weather Service launches their own weather satellites either...


It's all good. I've been assured by top men at the GOP that we don't need NOAA either, because we can look up all that information on Google.
 
2013-10-09 11:45:19 PM  

chaoticcrash: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lot of fuss over TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.

You cannot be serious.  Veterans memorials are tourist attractions?  Silly me- all along I thought they were to HONOR VETERANS.  National Parks- tourist attractions?  Here I thought they were places US CITIZENS could travel to in order to revel in this place we call the US.


Exactly. TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.
 
2013-10-09 11:45:36 PM  

HMWMatt: I first met Chris 4 years ago while I was playing music in Charleston, SC. He was a big fan of the band I was playing with, and while he came across as absolutely crazy from the get go, after months/years of getting to know and understand him, I have found him to be one of the most genuine persons I know. Y has a passion for life and adventure, and a humble, self-sacrificing spirit that I wish we could all understand better. This is not a publicity stunt, and he's not in it for the fame or fortune (those of you who might know him know that he doesn't crave those things). He is a simple man with a profound mind and spirit, and I am proud to call him my friend and fellow American.


Then my apologies for judging him harshly.
 
2013-10-09 11:48:08 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: chaoticcrash: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lot of fuss over TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.

You cannot be serious.  Veterans memorials are tourist attractions?  Silly me- all along I thought they were to HONOR VETERANS.  National Parks- tourist attractions?  Here I thought they were places US CITIZENS could travel to in order to revel in this place we call the US.

Exactly. TOURIST ATTRACTIONS.


Or, you know, places set aside to preseve and protect our natural resources and wildlife. These are tourist attractions.
 
2013-10-09 11:54:44 PM  
I expect him to show up tomorrow and the next day and the next day.  Also, if it's raining, also to pick up the trash, also some sweeping is in order, also so some regular maintenance and inspection of the electrical system also to open up and run some of the attractions including answering questions from tourists.. also..
 
2013-10-09 11:58:05 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: I was meaning more you should have given him the lmgtfy link instead of the straight Google one. Sorry.


No apology needed. I'd have gotten the joke, if Fark hadn't munged my link up. :-)

IamTomJoad: Give him a break he already learned a new word today and tried to use it as a slight against the media.

The fact that he used it incorrectly should tell you he is at max capacity for learning today. Try again tomorrow before his Glenn Beck "Word Of the Day To Piss Off Dirty Libs" email reaches his in box


L. O. LOUD.
 
2013-10-09 11:59:35 PM  
I'm just going to assume all the people spouting the idiotic comments about how this shows we could replace government employees are just trolling.  No one could seriously be dumb enough to believe even a small portion of government services could be run on a "garsh, I hope some volunteers decide to show up this week" basis.

Just kidding, I know there are plenty of people stupid enough to actually believe that.
 
2013-10-10 12:01:47 AM  

mrlewish: I expect him to show up tomorrow and the next day and the next day.  Also, if it's raining, also to pick up the trash, also some sweeping is in order, also so some regular maintenance and inspection of the electrical system also to open up and run some of the attractions including answering questions from tourists.. also..


He said he has been on a mission to spruce up the lawns, trees and trash bins near America's grandest memorials before the weekend, because a 'Million Vet March' event is expected to bring scores of retired servicemen and women to the nation's capital.

But whatever.
 
2013-10-10 12:02:58 AM  
I am government employee currently furloughed, and would rather be working right now.  Really.  I was thrilled to fill my gas tank as my bank account is almost gone, so I guess I will be doing the credit card thing until this mess is over.

Since we are getting back pay anyway, why can't the government float a no-interest loan to all workers to cover their paychecks?  Just pay off the loan when the gov is back in business and everyone is happy.

I'm sure when I sober up that will not seem as logical as it does now.
 
2013-10-10 12:18:08 AM  

Darkviking: I am government employee currently furloughed, and would rather be working right now.  Really.  I was thrilled to fill my gas tank as my bank account is almost gone, so I guess I will be doing the credit card thing until this mess is over.

Since we are getting back pay anyway, why can't the government float a no-interest loan to all workers to cover their paychecks?  Just pay off the loan when the gov is back in business and everyone is happy.

I'm sure when I sober up that will not seem as logical as it does now.


Gotta have priorities. :)
 
2013-10-10 12:39:22 AM  

Radioactive Ass: seek3r: Reality check: the parks and such get closed in every govt shutdown. The only way this is about this particular administration is that the right wing desperately wants it to be. You want to scream about the peculiarity of govt that it ally costs money to shutdown then have fun, but recognize it's the way it works, not the administration being biatchy, eh?

You cut off my pure example of doing exactly what you claim doesn't happen. Who is in the wrong here? Spin is a bad thing M'Kay. Never before was that place closed duing these budget battles. Mainly because it had zero impact. This time it was. Ask yourself why and get back to me. Wear your big boy pants when you answer.


Back in 2002/2003 (can't remember which) we were promised something horrible: that we were sending troops overseas with no homefront, no mobilization of the citizenry. That except for the immediate families of those in the military no one would be inconvenienced or put upon.

That is a terrible, terrible policy. War happens because of systemic failures-- the ultimate breakdown in the normal affairs of government.

That should affect everyone in society. Any systemic failure of government should be felt by all.

This war that Republicans wage on laws that they have no mandate to change is the same sort of systemic malfunction. So long as there is something to be gained by them forcing crisis where none otherwise exists, then everyone should feel the harm from those stunts.

If the Tea Party position is the most popular then they will force the system to surrender to them, completely and utterly to raise the flag of white Christiandom across the fruited plains. If not then they and their political bedfellows are purged from the system, first as lame ducks and then replaced by those able to work within the current system.

They declared a political civil war. They believe themselves to be so utterly right that compromise is impossible and that they have the political capital to win with the people.

Why should anyone give a fig about some damned restaurant? Be glad that we only have a budget crisis instead of a shooting war. Because if things truly are irreconcilable as the Tea Party insists I'm surprised those Christian youth militias haven't already been activated for a guerrilla war as intended. (Yeah I've known a couple families that sent their kids to those camps)
 
2013-10-10 12:45:48 AM  

Radioactive Ass: seek3r: Reality check: the parks and such get closed in every govt shutdown. The only way this is about this particular administration is that the right wing desperately wants it to be. You want to scream about the peculiarity of govt that it ally costs money to shutdown then have fun, but recognize it's the way it works, not the administration being biatchy, eh?

You cut off my pure example of doing exactly what you claim doesn't happen. Who is in the wrong here? Spin is a bad thing M'Kay. Never before was that place closed duing these budget battles. Mainly because it had zero impact. This time it was. Ask yourself why and get back to me. Wear your big boy pants when you answer.


Because such things have been done *every* time the govt shuts down. It's a function of how moronic agencies in general operate, not a vindictive regime intent on destroying your freedoms one park at a time (speaking of that, I do love how a few ultra-right wingers have seized on the closures as an opportunity to push for privatization of parks - something which *will* destroy public lands for the good of a few)
 
2013-10-10 12:52:54 AM  
'And his brother's name is listed on the Vietnam Wall,' Cox said. 'In my mind, that entitled me to pick up as much trash as I wanted to.'

Sounds like someone is off their medication and the voices are back...
 
2013-10-10 12:56:10 AM  

ElLoco: buckler: quislings

I had to Google it. My first thought was small sub sandwiches.


Mmmmmm... Toasty!
 
2013-10-10 01:07:30 AM  
People - the elderly, veterans, families - are not getting the healthcare they need and deserve. Obamacare didn't just pop into existence out of nowhere. Taxpayers, the people that OWN the government, demanded taxpayer money be used for healthcare.

Taxpayers aren't required to ask permission from the GOP what to do with taxpayer money. Make no mistake. This is not a fight between the Republicans and Democrats. This is a fight for control of taxpayer money. This is a fight between the GOP and the taxpayers that opted to vote the GOP out of office, which happen to be the majority of taxpayers in the United States.

Taxpayers aren't held accountable to the GOP. The GOP is in fact held accountable to the taxpayers.

The people made these demands to their Congressmen and other democratically elected officials. That's what elections are for after all - to determine who's policies get implemented in government. These policies are chosen fairly in elections. The policies of the GOP were not chosen to be implemented.

The GOP is punishing taxpayers for not implementing their policies.

The House is all that the GOP has control over, so if American taxpayers want to retain control of their government, they must vote the GOP out of power permanently. This is the only way it can work. The Democrats are not going anywhere, and politically, the GOP is very weak.

If the GOP is taken out of power, this will allow the government to actually WORK again. No more bickering and manipulation from a dying out political ideology. Any ideology that doesn't serve the people, has roots in racism, and is exclusionary, can't last. We are seeing evidence of this now.

The only way we can change the government in a positive way is to:
1. remove the GOP, which supports the rights of corporations over people, is manipulative, is controlling
2. replace the GOP with independents and other political ideologies that are not manipulative and have positive intent
3. systematically eliminate and sever all controlling ties between corporations and government by reevaluating our laws and SIMPLIFYING them so that they are easily understood by all parties - eliminate tax loopholes
4. create a congressional system that is completely independent of corporate influence by eliminating lobbyists altogether
5. shorten term limits

This would be a good start in the right direction. The only way taxpayers can take back control of the government is to take out the GOP. The GOP is ruthless, calculating and self-serving. These qualities don't belong in our political system.

If we can remove the sociopaths from controlling our government, then people can be nice in government again. No need for endless bickering... Kindness won't be viewed as a weakness anymore. People can just be themselves, and speak the truth. No spin required.
 
2013-10-10 01:08:49 AM  
The government is a stallion.

I am not so sure how it got to be this way; where the people do not have control over their own government...

The stallion must be restrained and broken, so that it may properly serve it's master. Somehow the people have forgotten just who the master is.

Is it the people or the stallion?

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2013-10-10 01:14:04 AM  

TheTurtle: ElLoco: buckler: quislings

I had to Google it. My first thought was small sub sandwiches.

Mmmmmm... Toasty!


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-10 01:19:48 AM  
Ok...the government owns the lawn....but who owns the government?
 
2013-10-10 01:44:15 AM  
Late to the party, but - while he may have good intentions, he's not doing anything good by cutting the grass. Cut the grass, and you increase runoff, increasing phosphorous in the watershed, which cuts down on the oxygen in the local bodies of water and killing fish. Don't cut grass - it's dumb.
 
2013-10-10 01:45:17 AM  

ladyfortuna: Karma Chameleon: But culture and aesthetics should be secondary concerns at best.

Sure, if you want to live in a community that just builds grey concrete block structures and treats everyone like worker bees with no value (because fark their opinions). That sounds like FUN.


There's an episode of The West Wing where they address this issue pretty well. Yeah it's a lot of money overall, but compared to what we spend on the military it's just like NASA and foreign aid - a mere drop in the bucket.

/former military so I'm not blowing smoke here
 
2013-10-10 01:57:19 AM  

NewportBarGuy: goatleggedfellow: asynchron: Now I wish I lived around DC... Awesome chance for a demonstration. Get a bunch of people out doing yardwork like this. Responsible citizens doing what their elected officials won't... Taking care of the country. No partisan message, no finger pointing any more specific than that. Just a general message that elected officials have failed by letting things get to this point.

You do have a message: I will work for free to hurt paid laborers.

You won't hurt the politicians, you will just be another talking point for them. You WILL hurt other people with jobs by giving up your free time with your family to work more for free.

Do you understand the free market? You work to get paid. You get paid for doing work. Pride is all nice, comrade, but free labor isn't going to create jobs or save this country.

You are what is wrong with America. The America I live in puts the country before the Free Market.

Doing something for your community is a bad thing to you? They are not REPLACING the workers, they are trying to do something good for America whilst two political parties fight.

You must be a truly horrible person.


You seem to misunderstand me.

I put the country before the free market, too. I think the market is flawed in it's reliance on greed. I think socialism is also flawed, as is nationalism. The wisest thing to do is step back and see which system is taking advantage of which other system. Only fools place their trust in a single model. The fact is, though, the free market exists whether you like it or not. And without some level of unity, the wealthy masters will pick you apart man by man.

These people are MOWING farkING LAWNS. If un-mowed lawns is your idea of devastation, then just let them grow. Let the "devastation" be seen. Stop being pushed around like pussies, cleaning up everyone else's messes and let the Republicans get what they're asking for. All of it. Let them see their works. Let them show themselves for the angry liars and monsters they are. Let the effects reach them so the Republicans at the bottom realize the bullshiat. The farm bill fiasco? Any sane Republican should have realized the game at that point. That it wasn't about values or jobs or the country, but about maintaining pride in the face of mounting lies and failures. It's the Southern Strategy replayed.

Also, the GOP is putting the free market before the country. I couldn't tell where you stood on that, but that's the situation. They represent a group of people that would rather destroy our economy than sacrifice the slightest bit of their inherited leverage.

Let the GOP reap what it has sown. It's the only way they'll learn.
 
2013-10-10 01:59:20 AM  

Toxicphreke: Ok...the government owns the lawn....but who owns the government?


The CHOAM company.
 
2013-10-10 02:04:55 AM  
Now if we had a few million more people who had this "personal responsibility to America" attitude, we wouldn't be having any shutdown in the first place, the forest service wouldn't have to close down access to rivers to keep them clean from "assholes", the country would be cleaner, people would share common goals to getting things repaired...

And Congress would not be full of criminals.
 
2013-10-10 04:15:25 AM  

Stoker: Now if we had a few million more people who had this "personal responsibility to America" attitude,


Unfortunately some people have been brainwashed / or do not want ANY sorts of personal responsibility. Because you know... father GOV. is there.

It is the daddy-mentality: without a boss, i don't know what i should be doing. Sad. Very sad
 
2013-10-10 04:56:04 AM  

seek3r: Because such things have been done *every* time the govt shuts down.


Stop right there!

No. It. Has. Not. Been. Done. Every. Time. The. Government. Has. Shut. Down. In. The. Past.

That was my point. No other government shutdown has purposely shut down things that cost nothing (or next to nothing if you prefer) to keep open, much less things that actually make them money by being open. It's the antithesis of the reason to close them (we cannot pay the people to do the job) when they not only make money but aren't even on the governments dime to operate safely. That place has zero reliance on the federal government (aside from anyone else in general of course) to keep themselves in business. That was my point. It was done only because it could be done for the purpose of hurting people who had no say in the matter. That is just spiteful and petty vindictive behavior that I might expect to see from a petulant pre-teenaged brat, not from the US government.

Again. There is no safety issue here. The access is from of a city street that is still open and you can drive down right now. The parking is on a city street with city parking meters. The city provides fire and police protection. All utilities are provided by the city. The city does the health inspections. The NPS does nothing to assist or protect the day to day operations of the place. Yet they closed it down putting the non-government workers there (that would be all of them by the way, there are no government workers there) out of a job while a business less than 50 yards away doing the exact same thing that they did is open for business and doing just fine.

Do you see the problem yet?

They are simply trying to bring the pain to as many people that they can to make a point and for me the point that they are making is showing that they are petty, vindictive people who simply don't care about the plebes when they get in the way of their temper tantrum. I get closing national parks, I really do. Lawnmower man isn't going to do much there aside from becoming bear fodder at some point, but this isn't that and pretending that it is doesn't help your argument at all. If anything it shows your partisanship and makes it harder in the long run to fix the problems that we have.

See, at the end of the day we all are in this together. Left, right, gay, straight, religious, atheist, male, female and so on. We all have to be able to work together no matter what. Children do what this administration is doing right now, It's called a temper-tantrum. Kicking and screaming while being hauled to the bathtub (or whatever). It's not pretty but you expect it from immature kids, not from adults who should know better. I will add that both sides are doing this so don't think for a minute that I'm taking sides. Both sides have their issues on this but only one is intentionally bringing on the pain to the people in this fight.
 
2013-10-10 07:58:16 AM  

formerfloozy: nickerj1: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.

Sorry dude, the furlough paperwork I received was very explicit on thay point. No volunteering or showing up until recalled. I do work overtime without compensation sometimes, 8 hours just ain't enough to get it all done somedays.


And that furlough paperwork is just your agency's management intimidating you from coming in.

The agency, as an organization (and therefore management), can't "accept" your voluntary services.  They don't "accept" your voluntary services by:  1) sternly warning employees that voluntary work during a shutdown is unacceptable; and 2) taking a disciplinary action against employees who voluntarily work during a shutdown.

I'm saying if management was all "wink wink, nudge nudge" about it, you can have your 5000 furloughed employees volunteer during the entire shutdown and then everyone receive a letter of counseling or reprimand that expired after 12 months.

They aren't going to fire their entire agency if they all come in and volunteer.
 
2013-10-10 08:30:22 AM  

ElLoco: buckler: quislings

I had to Google it. My first thought was small sub sandwiches.


I thought it was the proper name for these unholy abominations...

adweek.blogs.com
 
2013-10-10 09:14:40 AM  
Nice to see the Republican's plan of further destroying the government/economy so they can pin it on Obama has had the extra benefit of furthering their other agenda of turning us all into gleeful slaves.

Seriously? Now everyone is supposed to work for free? Anyone with a job should be fired?

WTF is wrong with you lemmings? Who gives a sh*t about the damned parks? This is all just to distract from the fact the shutdown is wrecking the already fragile economy and outright WASTING a sh*tload of taxpayer money... for NOTHING. Obamacare is happening no matter what.

I used to give republican voters the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they just weren't paying attention. Perhaps they truly believed that the GOP was interested in saving money and upholding the principals the country was founded on. But after the past few years and now this? Naw man... ya'll are either mentally ill, incredibly stupid or just plain evil.

Piss off, the lot of ya.
 
2013-10-10 09:16:14 AM  
And the most HILARIOUS part is Obamacare is a freaking CLONE of what Romney was gonna do! Fookin' idiots.
 
2013-10-10 10:07:55 AM  

Radioactive Ass: They are simply trying to bring the pain to as many people that they can to make a point and for me the point that they are making is showing that they are petty, vindictive people who simply don't care about the plebes when they get in the way of their temper tantrum.


Based solely on the photos I've seen of the disappointed, would-be park visitors, most of them probably voted for the people who brought this on all of us. So if a few dozen tea partiers have to roll their medicare-paid-for hoverrounds back out of a closed park, that's just them reaping what they sowed.
 
2013-10-10 10:25:04 AM  
I know it says a downed tree,

but was he the one that cut it down in the first place? Just asking.
 
2013-10-10 10:43:02 AM  
ah the battle cry of the poor, maligned employees on the government teat
"I want to work but can't!"
obviously, this city has been ignoring those cries from millions of americans for the last several years
blame the repubs for forcing the issue
blame the dems for making the situation critical
blame yourself for allowing these idiots to rule you
 
2013-10-10 11:40:37 AM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: The government is a stallion.


Again,
hidden messages in the art at the Denver Airport, I guess

i.imgur.com

/I bet the Bronies did this!
 
2013-10-10 12:40:17 PM  

here to help: And the most HILARIOUS part is Obamacare is a freaking CLONE of what Romney was gonna do! Fookin' idiots.


Yes, but now a brown person has said it, and that makes it bad.
 
2013-10-10 01:07:56 PM  

nickerj1: formerfloozy: nickerj1: machodonkeywrestler: ArcadianRefugee: machodonkeywrestler: dittybopper: Shostie: and clean up what furloughed government workers won't

"CAN'T" you f*cking dickheads!

If this guy could do it, then they could do it also, thou fornicating penile-cephalitic.

Except lt's a felony. for them to.

We really need "dumb" (and "unfunny") buttons.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/subtitle-II/chapter-13/sub ch apter-III

Actually....

That law only says it's unlawful for an officer or employee to accept voluntary services.  It doesn't say it's unlawful for an employee to perform voluntary services for the agency.  Just that the agency's management can't "accept" the volunteered services.

Lots of feds can and do work voluntary overtime.

Sorry dude, the furlough paperwork I received was very explicit on thay point. No volunteering or showing up until recalled. I do work overtime without compensation sometimes, 8 hours just ain't enough to get it all done somedays.

And that furlough paperwork is just your agency's management intimidating you from coming in.

The agency, as an organization (and therefore management), can't "accept" your voluntary services.  They don't "accept" your voluntary services by:  1) sternly warning employees that voluntary work during a shutdown is unacceptable; and 2) taking a disciplinary action against employees who voluntarily work during a shutdown.

I'm saying if management was all "wink wink, nudge nudge" about it, you can have your 5000 furloughed employees volunteer during the entire shutdown and then everyone receive a letter of counseling or reprimand that expired after 12 months.

They aren't going to fire their entire agency if they all come in and volunteer.


You never ever want to do thibgs tgat put letters of reprimand in your file.

Ever. It just gives supervisors the power to use those to fire individuals for other reasons and cite the letter as the cause.

Which effectively gives them an end run around the very protections people are paying the afge union for.
 
2013-10-10 03:31:55 PM  

Lt_Ryan: Barricaded Gunman: dittybopper: If this guy could do it, then they could do it also

Sure, let's try and turn this into a gripe against those damn furloughed workers, refusing to work for free while an assload of Republican millionaires continue to draw pay for f#cking up the country.

However the furloughed workers will be paid for the time they were furloughed. Sure they will be without a paycheck for a while but in the end they have been given a paid holiday. I'm not sure about anyone else but if I was paying someone to do a job and they didn't and expected pay anyway I'd be pissed. Not at the workers but at the management, what is the point of the furlough if they will get paid anyway it doesn't save any money.


Do you have a citation for that?  Last I heard about it, they were considering passing some legislation to that effect, but it wasn't a done deal.

Doesn't really make any sense anyway.  Why furlough the workers if you plan to pay them anyway?  Actually, given what our government typically does, that makes a lot of sense.
 
2013-10-10 09:40:04 PM  

Radioactive Ass: seek3r: Because such things have been done *every* time the govt shuts down.

Stop right there!

No. It. Has. Not. Been. Done. Every. Time. The. Government. Has. Shut. Down. In. The. Past.

That was my point. No other government shutdown has purposely shut down things that cost nothing (or next to nothing if you prefer) to keep open, much less things that actually make them money by being open. It's the antithesis of the reason to close them (we cannot pay the people to do the job) when they not only make money but aren't even on the governments dime to operate safely. That place has zero reliance on the federal government (aside from anyone else in general of course) to keep themselves in business. That was my point. It was done only because it could be done for the purpose of hurting people who had no say in the matter. That is just spiteful and petty vindictive behavior that I might expect to see from a petulant pre-teenaged brat, not from the US government.

Again. There is no safety issue here. The access is from of a city street that is still open and you can drive down right now. The parking is on a city street with city parking meters. The city provides fire and police protection. All utilities are provided by the city. The city does the health inspections. The NPS does nothing to assist or protect the day to day operations of the place. Yet they closed it down putting the non-government workers there (that would be all of them by the way, there are no government workers there) out of a job while a business less than 50 yards away doing the exact same thing that they did is open for business and doing just fine.

Do you see the problem yet?

They are simply trying to bring the pain to as many people that they can to make a point and for me the point that they are making is showing that they are petty, vindictive people who simply don't care about the plebes when they get in the way of their temper tantrum. I get closing national parks, I really do. Lawnmower ...


Yes, you are lgnorant about the past.
 
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