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(Huffington Post)   Dear Americans: Your country is shutting down, your leaders are about to crash your economy and turn America into Mad Max times. Here are 16 reasons to move to Europe. What are you waiting for?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 92
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2013-10-09 07:59:48 PM
9 votes:
Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.
2013-10-09 07:56:03 PM
6 votes:
I was unaware that relocating to a different country was just as easy as moving to another state in the US, with none of those pesky immigration laws.

/although as I understand it, it's fairly easy for anybody with significant German ancestry to go back
2013-10-09 07:55:08 PM
6 votes:
My ancestors left there too long ago.  I don't qualify for any repatriation plans.
2013-10-09 09:44:58 PM
5 votes:

menschenfresser: You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(


Here's the problem, though.

Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas. We shiat all over our tech workers with H1B visas. We allowed corporate power to wrap its tentacles around the mouth of every news outlet so that nothing even approaching a critique of the oligarchy will air.

Now we're staring down the barrel of wealth inequality on par with pre-Depression levels. The difference between now and 80 years ago is that the working class no longer functions as a united fighting force, but instead fights amongst itself with the Roman Circus R vs D 'debate'.

George Carlin was right. We have created a pile of shiat too thick to climb out of. Those of you who want to save America have my support and I truly honor your efforts, but anyone paying attention knows that we're facing an uphill battle of epic proportions to get this country back from the brink of corporate fascism.

I have roughly 40 years on this planet and I'd like to spend it somewhere civil and quiet, thank you.
2013-10-09 08:27:54 PM
5 votes:

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Every time we ignored you idiots in Europe, you started shooting at each other and dragged the entire farking world into your bullshiat.  So the last time we had to clean up your mess, we decided to stay.

Oh, another thing.  Don't pull that European exceptionalism crap on me.  "We've been around longer".  No you haven't.  The USA has been a nation longer than almost every damn country in Europe.  Most of your countries are rather new, in fact.
2013-10-09 07:55:19 PM
5 votes:
I note they left out the regularly scheduled ethnic cleansing they get over in Euroland. Every 50 years seems to be the cycle.
2013-10-09 07:53:05 PM
5 votes:
Hell, I figure once subby leaves America will be just fine.
2013-10-09 08:24:33 PM
4 votes:

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Someone's butthurt. fark you and the rest of the world.
2013-10-09 08:03:06 PM
4 votes:
Europe's more crowded.  I'd be ushered into Yankee slums and have to knife fight Muslims and Africans for a box of Mac 'n Cheese.
2013-10-09 07:59:03 PM
4 votes:
Any of the really decent euro countries have higher barriers to citizenship then America does. And despite our problems, we can work on them. But thanks!
2013-10-09 07:58:58 PM
4 votes:
Because its hard to get a visa that allows you to work there. I am trying though!
2013-10-09 07:57:19 PM
4 votes:
I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.
2013-10-09 07:54:38 PM
4 votes:
Money to afford it?
2013-10-09 09:58:33 PM
3 votes:

Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.



Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.
2013-10-09 09:45:02 PM
3 votes:
Speaking as a Brit married to an American, it seems to me that you can make arguments and counter-arguments for almost any country. Work/life balance is vastly better in most European countries, but the flip side of that is that material wealth is almost always lower. RightToWork's assertion that "Euro-rich = middle-class suburban American lifestyle" is somewhat hyperbolic, but it's not entirely inaccurate. European healthcare is better almost across the board, both in treatment outcomes and availability, but taxation is high and choices are often limited. You could continue in this vein ad infinitum.

My wife and I have debated at length where to live, ultimately it's been guided by my our urge to travel. While America is very geographically diverse, it's often expensive to traverse and relatively monocultural, conversely travel in Europe is exceedingly inexpensive and there's wildly more difference between Italy and Denmark than there is between, say, Texas and Maine. The tax arguments have proven a red herring in our case, the difference is $8k per annum in America's favour, which is trivial when healthcare costs have considered, but the immense cost of London property has been a point strongly in favour of the US (although our jobs make most sense in NYC, where this saving is almost entirely negated. Sometimes it's not smart to treat America as one place, either.)
2013-10-09 08:34:52 PM
3 votes:
Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.
2013-10-09 08:33:54 PM
3 votes:
Nope. Costa Rica or Belize.
2013-10-09 08:31:06 PM
3 votes:
1: your economy is just as bad as (if not worse than) ours
2: I don't speak the language outside of a few places (UK, Ireland).
3: The places where I speak the language won't let me keep my guns.
4: I have a good job, house, toys, etc here in the US. I don't feel like throwing that away.
2013-10-09 08:25:44 PM
3 votes:
Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.
2013-10-09 08:13:07 PM
3 votes:
Um... what kind of moron doesn't know that "American" cheese is just processed cheddar, and that we produce basically every variety of cheese domestically?

I sorta suspect after reading this article that the author would be rather hard-pressed to find the USA on a globe if asked.  Probably would take him five or six tries to work out which one was Europe, too, especially since he appears to think it's a  country with a uniform culture and public works projects.

//The entry about life-spans causes him to also fail demography and statistics forever, but then basic geography and the ability to Google simple shiat is probably a prerequisite for that.
2013-10-09 08:12:29 PM
3 votes:
A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.
2013-10-09 08:07:48 PM
3 votes:
Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.
2013-10-09 08:07:48 PM
3 votes:
HOW can this POSSIBLY happen with the LIGHTBRINGER in office?

No manned space program?

Post offices closing?

Can't go to Yellowstone?

NSA assuming all American are enemies of the state?

What the hell?
2013-10-09 07:59:26 PM
3 votes:
I'm waiting for them to learn the proper type of football.

/Yes, I went there.
2013-10-09 11:41:06 PM
2 votes:
Moving to Europe or Canada is for rich people.  So yea, were all farked.

/really wish I was rich, never will be.
2013-10-09 09:57:24 PM
2 votes:

noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?
2013-10-09 09:51:34 PM
2 votes:
th08.deviantart.net
2013-10-09 09:35:17 PM
2 votes:

Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.


I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.
2013-10-09 09:27:40 PM
2 votes:
You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(
2013-10-09 09:26:42 PM
2 votes:

olddinosaur: The residency tax in Switzerland is seven times your monthly rent, and since the cheapest apartment you are likely to find will run you $3000 a month, you are looking right into the teeth of $21,000 a year.

But on the plus side, there are no slums, I never saw a house I would not consider living in, and there were no tramps panhandling on the streets.  You can look down into a river and see fish swimming, walk through a forest where men have cut timber for 50,000 years and there are still plenty of trees, and walk the streets with no fear because there is almost no crime.  The people are so honest, if they see a Franc on the sidewalk they won't pick it up because it does not belong to them.

Beautiful place.


I'm not accusing you of it, but it comes off as silly to me when Europhiles pick some small, rich, homogeneous country in Europe to compare to the U.S. as a whole. We have places like you've described in the U.S. as well, with similar populations - they just aren't independent countries. It would be like if we put a fence around the millionaires living in Montgomery County, Maryland, declared it a territory, and then compared it to the average European living situation to prove the U.S. is superior. The U.S. has slums, sure, but not every county has them. It's always struck me as an apples-to-oranges comparison.
2013-10-09 09:26:32 PM
2 votes:
What's stopping us indeed? Feel free to go there if you love it so much. You won't be missed.
2013-10-09 09:04:36 PM
2 votes:
Europe as good points I concede, but speaking as one who has lived there, you will find the prices to be outrageously high, and what few jobs are available don't pay very well at all.

\\\ Still a nice place to visit though.
2013-10-09 08:54:23 PM
2 votes:
The most common arguments I hear in favor of Europe are "free" healthcare and lots of vacation. Well, like the vast majority of Americans (who are here legally), I have healthcare, and I got to choose my insurance and doctor, which is a nice luxury. Other than my annual checkup, which consists of taking my weight and measuring my blood pressure, it's really not a significant aspect of my life. As for vacation, most Americans don't use all the vacation days they are already given, so we need more vacation to sit around like we need another hole in our heads. I've been to Europe, and the purchasing power of your average European isn't even in the same galaxy as the average American. Products in Europe come in smaller sizes, have less selection, and are far more expensive. Also, it's really not cool blowing all your disposable income on 3-euro bottled water everywhere you farking go. Restaurants here are actually a pleasant experience that don't nickel and dime you for every little thing, and you don't have to drop $50-100 every time you go to a halfway decent place. Euro-rich = middle-class suburban American lifestyle.
2013-10-09 08:43:44 PM
2 votes:
No thanks, I like my 2.5 acres & 1800 sq ft house with 2 full-size fridges & a chest freezer. I like my guns & the fact that I only have to go 400 yards to shoot. I like my Jeeps & the fact that I can go 4-wheeling just 2 miles away. I like that a 1.75 Maker's Mark is $30 at Costco & not $75. I like green chile, can't get that there, or for that matter, any decent Mexican (and sure as hell no New Mexican) food. I like the fact that my state, at 122,000 sq miles has only 2 million population.

/would love to visit Europe, got friends there
//lived in Spain in the late 60s
2013-10-09 08:41:10 PM
2 votes:

Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.


It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.
2013-10-09 08:30:49 PM
2 votes:
Love it or leave it
        or
Stay and fix it
2013-10-09 08:13:38 PM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.


They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.
2013-10-09 08:10:37 PM
2 votes:
The point about cheese used to be true, but now even our local supermarkets are carrying a wide selection of cheeses and will soon catch up with Europe and there are plenty of smaller shops that indulge in my cheese needs.

Soccer/football?  Who farking cares?  Both versions are boring.  Maybe I should point out how your soccer hooligans are a much bigger problem than our football thugs.

Public transporation?  I bet it's great only in the denser cities, just like here in the USA.  I'll concede that the public transportation in Budapest beat the hell out of San Francisco.

Chocolate?  I can get quality chocolate here, too.  Not all Americans think Hershey's makes chocolate.
2013-10-09 08:05:08 PM
2 votes:
Forget Europe. I'm moving to New Zealand.
2013-10-09 08:05:06 PM
2 votes:
Come to Socialist Canada! We need skilled people to fill the positions our govnmt has allowed companies to hire temporary foreign workers to fill at half the pay in an effort to dilute the cost of said skilled labour. I have nothing against hungry Filipinos coming here to make a buck but not as a tool to undermine the wage I and my predecessors have fought to establish.
2013-10-09 07:59:38 PM
2 votes:
What I am waiting for:

1) Lost my passport

2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.
2013-10-09 07:56:39 PM
2 votes:
You throwing your doors open to us?
2013-10-09 07:54:08 PM
2 votes:
An invitation?
Oh, and compensation that will make sense after the global financial system is ashes.
2013-10-10 01:58:13 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country.


Having a preference for temporary or permanent residence elsewhere is not even close to hating one's own country. Does the person who moves to New York, because it furthers his or her career or because he or she prefers to live in the big city, hate Idaho (or wherever)?
2013-10-10 01:31:01 PM
1 votes:
You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.

Like Europe better? Fine, go live in Europe. We don't want you. We don't want people that aren't willing to help us fix the shiat we're in, and we REALLY don't want people that don't get that America isn't Europe, and isn't supposed to be Europe, and so not everyone here wants America to adopt all the policies and attitudes of Europeans.

We LIKE our food, our guns, our cars, our space, and our way of life. Be condescending about that all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that we really don't want that to change.

There're a lot of great things we can, and SHOULD, be doing to bring back manufacturing and better health care and all that. But make no mistake, America is not Europe, or Canada, and shouldn't be.
2013-10-10 11:39:05 AM
1 votes:

Dr. Kefarkian: European men: "Americans are so stupid, and here's why ... blah, blah, blah ..." After the machismo, braggadocio and drinking, when they go on and on about how their country is so much better than America, they eventually pass out, drunk on their own superiority.

European women: "Please take me with you."


My experience is the exact mirror of that in the States. Since I successfully snapped up an American girl and brought her back to England, I think I win.
2013-10-10 09:45:36 AM
1 votes:

ethics-gradient: The HuffPost rivals the Daily Fail for simple minded stupidity.


Hence its innumerable greenlights on Fark :(
2013-10-10 09:19:08 AM
1 votes:
We emigrated from England to the US because we believed we could have a better life here.

This is not going in a 'Oh but we were so screwed' direction.

Everything's a tradeoff. It genuinely is. Yes, I'm disgusted that after having to fight for Citizenship here (and achieving it), that the Government is essentially devouring itself. As someone from Europe, I'm happy to point out that the US is the last holdout to not have Healthcare for its Citizens.

My family saw (and continue to see) America as a place where you can do pretty much what you want, when you want to. Europe has greatly improved in this since the fall of Communism, but to put it bluntly, you don't really get true European equivalents to say, Steve McQueen or Paul Neumann. It was seen as the Land of the Free, which makes the next thing I have to type even harder.

Nobody fights for the right to be ignorant harder than people I've seen here. This is universal across the globe to a certain degree. This whole thread has been filled with a *lot* of wharrrgarble How dare you criticize my Country USA USA USA.

One of the best qualities I found here as well was when something goes wrong, own it. Fix it. Here's your second chance. Your fifth. Your eightieth. I can't believe I'm seeing huge arguments about cheese. Jeremy Clarkson, when visiting the States said, 'Why are they all fixated on cheese with everything?'

America is still seen as the place where you can do it, and do it freely. It sucks that a lot of really sociopathic people have taken this to heart, and now we're fighting one hell of an uphill battle with companies who are getting insane breaks furthered by Politicians who put power ahead of kids dying of Cancer. Instead of having Roosevelt and Eisenhower champion and expand the middle class, we've got drones and surveillance on top of temper-tantrum derp in the House. What really concerns me is that the House seems quite OK to try to shift the balance of power by ignoring Due Process. If there's anything that's Unamerican, that's it, right there.

As an American, I own my problems. I see the chance for greatness, and I do my best to try and make life the best it possibly can be. I'm aware that Ignorance Loves Company, and do my best not to fall into the echo chamber. A strong, healthy populous tends to make for a strong, healthy country. Everyone else gets this, which is the rest of the world has nationalized healthcare and invests in education.

Instead of getting your panties in a bunch when someone points something out that might actually hit home, you should be adult enough to divorce yourself from taking things personally. I expected to come in here and see great examples of what we can bring to the table. Instead it's all been a lot of hurr-durr exceptionalism. Great walls of Cheese.

If I didn't believe in it, I could leave. Dual Citizenship, all that, etc. etc. I think that this place can be the best place on Earth. What you've decided to do for the past 20 years with Education, Government, Wars, and now the brutal retardation from the House has been incredibly disappointing because we can be so much better.

And we have. I believe we will, again. Trying to drive with the handbrake on and yelling at the furiners while you're a victim of your own creation just makes you look silly.
2013-10-10 08:31:19 AM
1 votes:
i do plan on leaving after I've bilked the gubmint out of every last cent I can.
I just don't want to stay in a place I used to love
 and watch it get kicked to death by idiot voters and their smiling politicians
everyone seems so proud of the failures
2013-10-10 07:53:59 AM
1 votes:
Germany was great, I loved it there. Sure I'd go back but not to run away from the US.
2013-10-10 05:39:43 AM
1 votes:

RightToWork: Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.


And 24-hour Wal-Marts, and things open on Sundays, and shooting ranges, and airports everywhere, and Cessnas, and Diamonds, and cheap big Honda bikes, and, and and. Merkins, just pretty please learn to make bread that actually tastes like bread and isn't a soggy piece of plasterboard (c'mon, you already learned beer) and we're good. I live in Germany, having a great time here, the only place I would swap it for at a moment's notice is big ol' Texas. Oh, and btw, good luck with 3-week waiting times for your already-paid-for health care - you pay it out of your own payroll, it ain't subsidized any more, not here in Düütschland, nein mein Herr!
2013-10-10 05:34:27 AM
1 votes:
Heh...to paraphrase P.J.O'Rourke:

"Europe?  Europe isn't big enough to park all our cars, let alone live there."
2013-10-10 05:06:09 AM
1 votes:
I would love to return to Germany. I would go back in a heartbeat and take a crash course to re-learn the language (getting a bit of a head start with Rammstein lyrics).

Unfortunately, they have no reason to let me in :(
2013-10-10 03:42:22 AM
1 votes:
Also, what's youth unemployment at in Europe? 50% in some places? Ya, I'll be right there guys
2013-10-10 03:41:18 AM
1 votes:
Sounds like subby/author has never been to the US. Or just sucks at life in the US
2013-10-10 03:22:01 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Australia for me. If Mad Max times are coming, I'm going to do them properly.


The cut of your jib,
2013-10-10 01:30:36 AM
1 votes:
Subby:

After 9/11, and especially after the world's economy collapsed (*cough* Europe *cough*), it basically became impossible to emigrate to Europe. You guys get your cheap labour from Eastern Europe and your "educated class" can't find work... so companies aren't looking to bring foreigners in.

Facts. They're a biatch.

img51.imageshack.us
2013-10-09 11:41:04 PM
1 votes:
I live half the year in Belgium, and half the year in Philly. And half of the year I wish I were in Belgium.

The article mentions most of the reasons, but ignores one thing the superior school systems of Europe.
2013-10-09 11:26:13 PM
1 votes:
"We are a nation that has a government-not the other way around."
-Ronald Reagan
2013-10-09 10:52:47 PM
1 votes:
www.the-spearhead.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

(GIS for hot European women)
2013-10-09 10:24:37 PM
1 votes:

frestcrallen: Don't have any hard data to back this up, but with immersion and/or private school programs being an obvious exception, I'd argue that foreign language school education in most countries is awful. Most of the people I've known who speak +1 languages got their chops through bilingual parents, travel, working while travelling, or foreign spouses. It's rare to meet someone who attributes skill in a language to time spent at school.


*raises hand*
2013-10-09 10:10:38 PM
1 votes:

jaerik: A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.


A very good chunk of your head must be up your ass.

The list doesn't compare the best to the best. It compares our worst to their best. Not to say our best is better, but it's not the idiotic comparison the dumbass author put forth, and the one to which you appear to subscribe.

Dumbasses gonna believe dumbass $#!+.
2013-10-09 09:53:59 PM
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noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


I have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, emergency preparedness plan and more...and I live in the city now.

But I used to live on a 20 acre farm a half hour away from civilization. People out there develop a different sense of self sufficiency. We had guns and a whole list of things that you only begun to allude to.

I actually see more of a need to have a gun in the city than the country. But it's a foreign, scary concept to city people (except the city gang bangers and other criminals, they're really comfortable with it).
2013-10-09 09:48:42 PM
1 votes:
Holy hell a lot of hate for America here.
2013-10-09 09:43:50 PM
1 votes:

EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!


I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs
2013-10-09 09:43:30 PM
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I've been all over the world and been offered in many, many countries, and I'm pretty happy here in good old Colorado, US-F-A. I'll vacation in Norway, Italy, Spain, Czech, and Switzerland, but you can have their ridiculous prices, crime, and lazy-ass people--I couldn't LIVE with that day in and day out.
2013-10-09 09:42:44 PM
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Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
2013-10-09 09:30:54 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!
2013-10-09 09:27:49 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Anything to declare?

Yeah, don't go to England
2013-10-09 09:24:02 PM
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amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?
2013-10-09 09:18:03 PM
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Do those reasons include tips on what to do in the case of banking system collapse, rioting Muslims and the resurgence of fascism?
2013-10-09 09:12:51 PM
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Has subby looked at the jobs and financial stats in Europe?!? Greece, Spain, Poland, Portugal and most of the eastern countries have more than double our unemployment rates. Iceland is bankrupt (good luck getting permanent citizenship there or in the Faroes), as is Greece. Italy is teetering on bankruptcy, and with Germany towing the financial line for those EU countries they won't be far behind. England? Good luck finding work that'll actually pay the sky-high cost of living and ungodly taxes there.

Plus, if you're black, sad to say, most Euro countries aren't exactly going to be friendly to ya (Scandonavia, anyone?).
Fark it, move to Canada if anywhere. Or to Mexico or China, since most of the big companies will be there in the next 10 years.
2013-10-09 09:04:42 PM
1 votes:
Besides, if we go down we're taking your free loading euro trash asses with us.
2013-10-09 09:03:48 PM
1 votes:
Australia for me. If Mad Max times are coming, I'm going to do them properly.
2013-10-09 09:02:45 PM
1 votes:
I would love to get a job and move to the UK. Unfortunately it's very difficult unless you are a citizen of an  EU country.
2013-10-09 08:54:04 PM
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There are no generous repatriation plans for 10th generation descendents. Other countries actually care about that "skills no one else in the country can do" line, unlike HB1 visas in the US. It's harder to have 2-5 years of living expense money in the bank. Or else I'd be there.
2013-10-09 08:53:40 PM
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wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
2013-10-09 08:48:12 PM
1 votes:
I don't want to go to a place where dub step and techno beats are the national anthems
2013-10-09 08:42:26 PM
1 votes:
Eurotrolling is fun and all until you find out that you cant work.
2013-10-09 08:41:40 PM
1 votes:

Felgraf: 2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.


Uhh... unless you just invented an antigravity device, a physics PhD is about as useful as an A+ certification these days. Whatever you do, don't become an adjunct professor. A data entry clerk working through a temp agency gets treated better.
2013-10-09 08:40:59 PM
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contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.


Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.
2013-10-09 08:23:45 PM
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Moving to Europe won't help.

There are people who do not appreciate what a US default would do to EVERYONE ELSE.
2013-10-09 08:21:49 PM
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OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?
2013-10-09 08:09:47 PM
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Hey my family was thrown out of some of the finest places in Europe I doubt they want us back.
2013-10-09 08:08:16 PM
1 votes:
2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

shop.tillamook.com


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.


That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.
2013-10-09 08:07:50 PM
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img.fark.net
2013-10-09 08:05:28 PM
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Felgraf: What I am waiting for:

1) Lost my passport

2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.



I have a few friends with physics phd's.  Good luck to you - unless you've authored some great papers, you may find the market is surprisingly small.  Hopefully you won't end up in a succession of backwater universities on 2 year postdocs.
2013-10-09 08:02:48 PM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


There are areas of Scandinavia where you legally must carry a sidearm.

Of course, this is because of the bears...

Gun laws in various countries are kinda interesting.  Things that are way illegal or heavily controlled here are just fine there and vice-versa.  My favorite is that in one country in particular (Italy?) it is illegal for civilians to own anything that shoots 9x19, because that is a military round.  .40, 10mm, sure, but no 9mm.  But in some other countries, silencers are A-OK.
2013-10-09 08:01:53 PM
1 votes:
media.mlive.com
Hey. Lay off Detroit. Them people are going through Mad Max times.
2013-10-09 08:01:37 PM
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I heard they were going to build a fence along the Canadian border consisting of metal pillars placed just far enough apart that only skinny people can get through. The catch is that the skinny Americans who get through will freeze to death due to lack of body fat.
2013-10-09 08:00:27 PM
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What am I waiting for? I'm already 'out'--living in Berlin for more than a month now.
2013-10-09 07:59:10 PM
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Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.
 
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