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(Huffington Post)   Dear Americans: Your country is shutting down, your leaders are about to crash your economy and turn America into Mad Max times. Here are 16 reasons to move to Europe. What are you waiting for?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 346
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2013-10-09 07:53:05 PM  
Hell, I figure once subby leaves America will be just fine.
 
2013-10-09 07:54:08 PM  
An invitation?
Oh, and compensation that will make sense after the global financial system is ashes.
 
2013-10-09 07:54:38 PM  
Money to afford it?
 
2013-10-09 07:54:45 PM  
Because it will suck everywhere.

The only argument to move is perhaps that the rest of the world will decide that Tea Partiers are a world threat and drop bombs on us.
 
2013-10-09 07:55:08 PM  
My ancestors left there too long ago.  I don't qualify for any repatriation plans.
 
2013-10-09 07:55:19 PM  
I note they left out the regularly scheduled ethnic cleansing they get over in Euroland. Every 50 years seems to be the cycle.
 
2013-10-09 07:55:41 PM  
guess I am waiting for the natural decomposition of the Declaration of Independence -

and Plymouth Rock
 
2013-10-09 07:56:03 PM  
I was unaware that relocating to a different country was just as easy as moving to another state in the US, with none of those pesky immigration laws.

/although as I understand it, it's fairly easy for anybody with significant German ancestry to go back
 
2013-10-09 07:56:39 PM  
You throwing your doors open to us?
 
2013-10-09 07:57:19 PM  
I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.
 
2013-10-09 07:57:50 PM  

akula: I note they left out the regularly scheduled ethnic cleansing they get over in Euroland. Every 50 years seems to be the cycle.


Well, that's how they keep the cities looking so clean.
 
2013-10-09 07:58:17 PM  
The movie adaptation of this clusterfark will include Boehner being blackmailed into shutting down the government and telling no one or else terrorists will set off nukes in 10 major cities, and only one man can stop these terrorists.
 
2013-10-09 07:58:58 PM  
Because its hard to get a visa that allows you to work there. I am trying though!
 
2013-10-09 07:59:03 PM  
Any of the really decent euro countries have higher barriers to citizenship then America does. And despite our problems, we can work on them. But thanks!
 
2013-10-09 07:59:10 PM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.
 
2013-10-09 07:59:26 PM  
I'm waiting for them to learn the proper type of football.

/Yes, I went there.
 
2013-10-09 07:59:38 PM  
What I am waiting for:

1) Lost my passport

2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.
 
2013-10-09 07:59:48 PM  
Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.
 
2013-10-09 07:59:58 PM  
I'm going to move to Naples Italy and work the garbage barges...
 
2013-10-09 08:00:00 PM  
the skanky limey biatches to get to a dentist and shave their legs
 
2013-10-09 08:00:27 PM  
What am I waiting for? I'm already 'out'--living in Berlin for more than a month now.
 
2013-10-09 08:01:19 PM  
I waitin' for 'em to learn english.

Except for you, UK... close enough.
 
2013-10-09 08:01:19 PM  
Hunting?  Fishing?  Hiking and camping in Alpine areas away from the hoards? Dirt Bike Riding?  Wide open spaces?

I think this country boy will stay put but thanks for the offer!

Maybe a 2 week trip during a vacation?
 
2013-10-09 08:01:37 PM  
I heard they were going to build a fence along the Canadian border consisting of metal pillars placed just far enough apart that only skinny people can get through. The catch is that the skinny Americans who get through will freeze to death due to lack of body fat.
 
2013-10-09 08:01:53 PM  
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Hey. Lay off Detroit. Them people are going through Mad Max times.
 
2013-10-09 08:02:48 PM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


There are areas of Scandinavia where you legally must carry a sidearm.

Of course, this is because of the bears...

Gun laws in various countries are kinda interesting.  Things that are way illegal or heavily controlled here are just fine there and vice-versa.  My favorite is that in one country in particular (Italy?) it is illegal for civilians to own anything that shoots 9x19, because that is a military round.  .40, 10mm, sure, but no 9mm.  But in some other countries, silencers are A-OK.
 
2013-10-09 08:03:06 PM  
Europe's more crowded.  I'd be ushered into Yankee slums and have to knife fight Muslims and Africans for a box of Mac 'n Cheese.
 
2013-10-09 08:04:23 PM  

HeadLever: Hunting?  Fishing?  Hiking and camping in Alpine areas away from the hoards? Dirt Bike Riding?  Wide open spaces?

I think this country boy will stay put but thanks for the offer!

Maybe a 2 week trip during a vacation?


Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.
 
2013-10-09 08:04:40 PM  
I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.
 
2013-10-09 08:05:06 PM  
Come to Socialist Canada! We need skilled people to fill the positions our govnmt has allowed companies to hire temporary foreign workers to fill at half the pay in an effort to dilute the cost of said skilled labour. I have nothing against hungry Filipinos coming here to make a buck but not as a tool to undermine the wage I and my predecessors have fought to establish.
 
2013-10-09 08:05:08 PM  
Forget Europe. I'm moving to New Zealand.
 
2013-10-09 08:05:28 PM  

Felgraf: What I am waiting for:

1) Lost my passport

2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.



I have a few friends with physics phd's.  Good luck to you - unless you've authored some great papers, you may find the market is surprisingly small.  Hopefully you won't end up in a succession of backwater universities on 2 year postdocs.
 
2013-10-09 08:07:48 PM  
The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.
 
2013-10-09 08:07:48 PM  
HOW can this POSSIBLY happen with the LIGHTBRINGER in office?

No manned space program?

Post offices closing?

Can't go to Yellowstone?

NSA assuming all American are enemies of the state?

What the hell?
 
2013-10-09 08:07:48 PM  
Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.
 
2013-10-09 08:07:50 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-09 08:08:16 PM  
2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

shop.tillamook.com


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.


That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.
 
2013-10-09 08:08:45 PM  
FunkOut:
Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.

Finland has the world's highest number of metal bands per capita, by a very large margin.

Finland also has the world's highest number of crazy rally drivers.

Coincidence?  No.

/to finish first you must first be Finnish
 
2013-10-09 08:08:48 PM  

ISO15693: Forget Europe. I'm moving to New Zealand.


Giant bugs of horror. Not worth it!
 
2013-10-09 08:09:18 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: Come to Socialist Canada! We need skilled people to fill the positions our govnmt has allowed companies to hire temporary foreign workers to fill at half the pay in an effort to dilute the cost of said skilled labour. I have nothing against hungry Filipinos coming here to make a buck but not as a tool to undermine the wage I and my predecessors have fought to establish.


Nobody here wants to pick berries anymore for 40 cents a pound. You have to import people who think that's a good deal.
 
2013-10-09 08:09:25 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.


I'll bite, are you a pearlescent shade of taupe then?
 
2013-10-09 08:09:47 PM  
Hey my family was thrown out of some of the finest places in Europe I doubt they want us back.
 
2013-10-09 08:10:26 PM  

FunkOut: Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.


Adds to notes.  Scandinavia and the Nordic has always been interesting to me.  Thanks!

/would also like to visit Geordieland.
 
2013-10-09 08:10:37 PM  
The point about cheese used to be true, but now even our local supermarkets are carrying a wide selection of cheeses and will soon catch up with Europe and there are plenty of smaller shops that indulge in my cheese needs.

Soccer/football?  Who farking cares?  Both versions are boring.  Maybe I should point out how your soccer hooligans are a much bigger problem than our football thugs.

Public transporation?  I bet it's great only in the denser cities, just like here in the USA.  I'll concede that the public transportation in Budapest beat the hell out of San Francisco.

Chocolate?  I can get quality chocolate here, too.  Not all Americans think Hershey's makes chocolate.
 
2013-10-09 08:11:21 PM  

AutumnWind: ISO15693: Forget Europe. I'm moving to New Zealand.

Giant bugs of horror. Not worth it!


They make them into a nutritious cereal called Wetabix.
 
2013-10-09 08:12:00 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.


Meh. Not like America is any kind of racial utopia. I would take my chance in Europe. Hell, I went to Berlin and Prague and had less hassles than I expected. I was born and raised in Boston and I've have more than my share of racial issues with people here.

Wit that being said, it doesn't really look like Europe is in much better shape than the U.S.
 
2013-10-09 08:12:02 PM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


This!

Can we take our 80%lower receiver AR's with us? Or do we have to get to work on a black market AK?
 
2013-10-09 08:12:29 PM  
A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.
 
2013-10-09 08:13:07 PM  
Um... what kind of moron doesn't know that "American" cheese is just processed cheddar, and that we produce basically every variety of cheese domestically?

I sorta suspect after reading this article that the author would be rather hard-pressed to find the USA on a globe if asked.  Probably would take him five or six tries to work out which one was Europe, too, especially since he appears to think it's a  country with a uniform culture and public works projects.

//The entry about life-spans causes him to also fail demography and statistics forever, but then basic geography and the ability to Google simple shiat is probably a prerequisite for that.
 
2013-10-09 08:13:07 PM  

Mister Peejay: My favorite is that in one country in particular (Italy?) it is illegal for civilians to own anything that shoots 9x19, because that is a military round. .40, 10mm, sure, but no 9mm.


Nice. I don't own anything that shoots 9x19mm. I carry 10mm for the same reason my rifle shoots .308 instead of .223: because I don't go for half measures.

My son shot a bunch of Iraqis with .223 and 9mm ball ammo in 2003. He also carries 10mm now, because if he has to go through the stress and trouble of shooting anyone else... it'll be because he wants them to DIE, preferably right away.
 
2013-10-09 08:13:38 PM  

Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.


They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.
 
2013-10-09 08:14:05 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I seem to remember that J.R.R. Tolkein borrowed very heavily from Finnish when he created the Elvish languages.
 
2013-10-09 08:14:06 PM  
This week's episode of Bourdain made Copenhagen look like a nice place to live. Don't know if I'd enjoy eating grass and moss at their finest restaurant though.
 
2013-10-09 08:16:33 PM  

FunkOut: Ohlookabutterfly: Come to Socialist Canada! We need skilled people to fill the positions our govnmt has allowed companies to hire temporary foreign workers to fill at half the pay in an effort to dilute the cost of said skilled labour. I have nothing against hungry Filipinos coming here to make a buck but not as a tool to undermine the wage I and my predecessors have fought to establish.

Nobody here wants to pick berries anymore for 40 cents a pound. You have to import people who think that's a good deal.


We tried importing Mexicans. Then they started getting "uppity."
 
2013-10-09 08:17:25 PM  
Getting my Swedish passport next month actually. Thanks dual-citizenship.
 
2013-10-09 08:19:31 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


That is a stupid old sterotype, like people who say American beer sucks pointing to Budweiser, while we have more craft brewers than anyone else in the world. .
 
2013-10-09 08:21:00 PM  
I'm waiting for the mad max times subby, or as I like to call them, the fallout times.

content.bethsoft.com
 
2013-10-09 08:21:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?
 
2013-10-09 08:22:22 PM  

FunkOut: HeadLever: Hunting?  Fishing?  Hiking and camping in Alpine areas away from the hoards? Dirt Bike Riding?  Wide open spaces?

I think this country boy will stay put but thanks for the offer!

Maybe a 2 week trip during a vacation?

Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.


Plus, they have the traditional fish slapping song.

/ what a traditional fish slapping song may look like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoTR8s BGfyY&sns=em (copy/pasta)
 
2013-10-09 08:23:45 PM  
Moving to Europe won't help.

There are people who do not appreciate what a US default would do to EVERYONE ELSE.
 
2013-10-09 08:24:25 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


Damn, I love Tillamook. The only problem is the price in small town Texas, about $8/ lb. The way we eat cheese in my household that would bankrupt us pretty quickly.
 
2013-10-09 08:24:33 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Someone's butthurt. fark you and the rest of the world.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:01 PM  
Was tempted to check trending real estate for off-the-beaten-path castles in Bavaria, but somehow I think they're still out of my price range.

That said, the German rail system  is beyond belief, both urban and rural.  Yes, I know who else was good with trains, but talking about present day here.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:29 PM  

trotsky: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.


The Swiss're not eager to have more foreigners move in.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:44 PM  
Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:16 PM  
Europe?  You mean America version 0.9?

No thanks.  Asia, maybe.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:42 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


In Germany, you better speak English, German, and one other G8 language if you want a job of any consequence.

What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:54 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Every time we ignored you idiots in Europe, you started shooting at each other and dragged the entire farking world into your bullshiat.  So the last time we had to clean up your mess, we decided to stay.

Oh, another thing.  Don't pull that European exceptionalism crap on me.  "We've been around longer".  No you haven't.  The USA has been a nation longer than almost every damn country in Europe.  Most of your countries are rather new, in fact.
 
2013-10-09 08:29:10 PM  

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


But if we don't protect Europe from the commie Russians, those commies will take over and we'll stand alone as the sole beacon of peace and tranquility in a world ruled by evil people who don't have the same political ideology as this CHRISTIAN land.

(I'm practicing for some other message boards, what needs work?)
 
2013-10-09 08:29:11 PM  

vodka: Europe?  You mean America version 0.9?

No thanks.  Asia, maybe.


You mean the OS/2 versions of countries?
 
2013-10-09 08:30:13 PM  
Yeah, Europe will be totally fine when the shiat hits the fan...  Not like they're hanging on by a thread or anything.
 
2013-10-09 08:30:49 PM  
Love it or leave it
        or
Stay and fix it
 
2013-10-09 08:31:06 PM  
1: your economy is just as bad as (if not worse than) ours
2: I don't speak the language outside of a few places (UK, Ireland).
3: The places where I speak the language won't let me keep my guns.
4: I have a good job, house, toys, etc here in the US. I don't feel like throwing that away.
 
2013-10-09 08:31:49 PM  

rolladuck: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

But if we don't protect Europe from the commie Russians, those commies will take over and we'll stand alone as the sole beacon of peace and tranquility in a world ruled by evil people who don't have the same political ideology as this CHRISTIAN land.

(I'm practicing for some other message boards, what needs work?)


I'd say Soviet Russians. Also, instead of evil, say godless. Instead of political ideology, say love of freedom.
 
2013-10-09 08:32:48 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I didn't know Elvis spoke a fancy language?

/Was it French?
 
2013-10-09 08:33:25 PM  
If they have figured out a cure for Industrial Disease yet, I may consider it

And yes, we are still inventing words that mean Industrial Disease.
 
2013-10-09 08:33:54 PM  
Nope. Costa Rica or Belize.
 
2013-10-09 08:33:59 PM  

jaerik: A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.


some of us have actually been to Europe within the last 5 years and found it amenable and lovely and interesting - in short? "A fine place to visit, but I don't care to live there"
(and no, I don't subscribe to american exceptionalism - I have been to Utah and the Appalachians) - but this is my homeland
 
2013-10-09 08:34:31 PM  
I'm not a quitter, subby.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:48 PM  
Will trade US citizenship indentured servitude for asylum or citizenship in any European country. Or Russia, or Japan or well almost anywhere else.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:49 PM  
When anyone says the word "Belgian," three things come to mind: Beer, waffles and Jean-Claude Van Damme.

In an alternate universe, King Leopold only arrives in the Congo to stage possible shooting locations for "Bloodsport" while serving beer and waffles to the locals.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:52 PM  
Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.
 
2013-10-09 08:35:10 PM  

AbiNormal: FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.

I didn't know Elvis spoke a fancy language?

/Was it French?


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don't you shtep on my blue sheude shoes.
 
2013-10-09 08:35:37 PM  
About ten years ago I visited Spain, I had such a good time that I suggested we sell our condo and I would sell watches and knock off purses to tourists. The wife said no to cheap wine and sunshine.
 
2013-10-09 08:39:19 PM  

Janusdog: Because it will suck everywhere.

The only argument to move is perhaps that the rest of the world will decide that Tea Partiers are a world threat and drop bombs on us.


I'm thinking that at this time, they are not a local issue. It's more a global epidemic.
 
2013-10-09 08:39:54 PM  

contrapunctus: It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.


Any civilized country with something akin to universal health care by default should have strict immigration policies. They'd be stupid not to on that point alone.
 
2013-10-09 08:40:59 PM  

contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.


Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.
 
2013-10-09 08:41:10 PM  

Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.


It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.
 
2013-10-09 08:41:40 PM  

Felgraf: 2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.


Uhh... unless you just invented an antigravity device, a physics PhD is about as useful as an A+ certification these days. Whatever you do, don't become an adjunct professor. A data entry clerk working through a temp agency gets treated better.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:26 PM  
Eurotrolling is fun and all until you find out that you cant work.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:33 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


All the Finns speak Swedish, too, it's mandatory to learn it in school.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:40 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I'm laughing because it's accurate, and I'd be crying otherwise. Estonian and Hungarian are not easy, either.
 
2013-10-09 08:43:44 PM  
No thanks, I like my 2.5 acres & 1800 sq ft house with 2 full-size fridges & a chest freezer. I like my guns & the fact that I only have to go 400 yards to shoot. I like my Jeeps & the fact that I can go 4-wheeling just 2 miles away. I like that a 1.75 Maker's Mark is $30 at Costco & not $75. I like green chile, can't get that there, or for that matter, any decent Mexican (and sure as hell no New Mexican) food. I like the fact that my state, at 122,000 sq miles has only 2 million population.

/would love to visit Europe, got friends there
//lived in Spain in the late 60s
 
2013-10-09 08:46:57 PM  
Ohlookabutterfly:

I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.

I'll bite, are you a pearlescent shade of taupe then?



Anyone who is a shade of gray, probably needs to see a doctor. Although being Mauve Taupe would be interesting.


Skinink:   Meh. Not like America is any kind of racial utopia. I would take my chance in Europe. Hell, I went to Berlin and Prague and had less hassles than I expected. I was born and raised in Boston and I've have more than my share of racial issues with people here.

Wit that being said, it doesn't really look like Europe is in much better shape than the U.S.



Sure. America is no racial utopia.  Still, being German, French, Swiss, Italian tends to be tied to a specific racial group (and culture).  In comparison, to say the only real Americans are white sounds slightly absurd (same with Canadians).   My point is if things go sour in Europe, it tends to be much easier to blame it on the guy who doesn't look like everyone else.

Other than that, I'd love to live in Europe.  Great food and thinner women.
 
2013-10-09 08:47:20 PM  

contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.


I'm #2.  As soon as the kids are grown, I'm blowing this popsicle stand.

South of France, here I  come.
 
2013-10-09 08:48:12 PM  
I don't want to go to a place where dub step and techno beats are the national anthems
 
2013-10-09 08:50:52 PM  
Da hukizishi goi tabzug dulug az golz, arshu da huhk brazub, ahgnar baieigh dalub.
 
2013-10-09 08:51:57 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Although being Mauve Taupe would be interesting.


is this a gay joke?
 
2013-10-09 08:52:58 PM  

jaerik: contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.

Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.


Here's a bit of background on how I came to find all of this out.

I worked as a sound designer/music composer for a number of years on titles for the DS/Xbox/360/Wii. A few million sellers in fact. Once the shiat hit the fan in 2008 with the housing crash, I applies for several positions in Sweden and Denmark.

Every studio wrote back with a letter along the lines of: "We'd love to hire you but we legally can't since there are capable (though less qualified) candidates within our own borders".

New Zealand? Even IF you have a desirable skill, you only qualify for temporary residency.

Basically, we are not as free to move around the world as we like to think.
 
2013-10-09 08:53:40 PM  
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-10-09 08:54:04 PM  
There are no generous repatriation plans for 10th generation descendents. Other countries actually care about that "skills no one else in the country can do" line, unlike HB1 visas in the US. It's harder to have 2-5 years of living expense money in the bank. Or else I'd be there.
 
2013-10-09 08:54:23 PM  
The most common arguments I hear in favor of Europe are "free" healthcare and lots of vacation. Well, like the vast majority of Americans (who are here legally), I have healthcare, and I got to choose my insurance and doctor, which is a nice luxury. Other than my annual checkup, which consists of taking my weight and measuring my blood pressure, it's really not a significant aspect of my life. As for vacation, most Americans don't use all the vacation days they are already given, so we need more vacation to sit around like we need another hole in our heads. I've been to Europe, and the purchasing power of your average European isn't even in the same galaxy as the average American. Products in Europe come in smaller sizes, have less selection, and are far more expensive. Also, it's really not cool blowing all your disposable income on 3-euro bottled water everywhere you farking go. Restaurants here are actually a pleasant experience that don't nickel and dime you for every little thing, and you don't have to drop $50-100 every time you go to a halfway decent place. Euro-rich = middle-class suburban American lifestyle.
 
2013-10-09 08:54:50 PM  
I hate to give up everything I worked for.

imageshack.us
 
2013-10-09 08:56:06 PM  
Why are you still here?
 
2013-10-09 08:56:35 PM  
Ricardo Klement:
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.


Hey, I'm American and I speak two languages:  Metric and SAE...
 
2013-10-09 08:56:43 PM  

RockChalkH1N1: I don't want to go to a place where dub step and techno beats are the national anthems


You'd rather have Miley Cyrus, Lil' Wayne, and Justin Beiber?

Besides, Europe's music scene is totally different than the "bro-tronica" that has ruined the U.S.
 
2013-10-09 08:57:05 PM  
I'm waiting to see how much of it financially collapses before I head over.
 
2013-10-09 09:00:05 PM  
That Huff's post is so full of crap, every time you scroll down you hear juicy rip and smell. I wonder how it escaped their attention that Gerard Depardieu has evacuated to the cold Russia, just to be as far as f'kn possible from civilized Europe.
 
2013-10-09 09:00:52 PM  

Rent Party: contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

I'm #2.  As soon as the kids are grown, I'm blowing this popsicle stand.

South of France, here I  come.


Same here.

As fate had it I ended up I married a swede. We're teaching our daughter both languages so she can decide what to do when she gets older, but the wife and I have no illusions about retiring in America.

Odds are we'll end up in Norway living a quiet life in 15 or so years since the language is so similar and the living standard is so incredible. We practically treat our elderly like Soylent Green here in the US.
 
2013-10-09 09:01:08 PM  

fusillade762: That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


Heh, not really.
 
2013-10-09 09:01:17 PM  

Felgraf: A Physics PhD would be highly valuable.


seriously? i would sell you mine for 200 dollars. go ahead.
 
2013-10-09 09:01:29 PM  
I totally could - I have an EU passport and all, I don't have to do much at all, but if the US explodes, so does Europe.  There won't be anywhere safe, so I might as well not go through the hassle.

At least until I get tired of the health care situation here.
 
2013-10-09 09:02:38 PM  
Europe? I would think Canada a better choice.
 
2013-10-09 09:02:45 PM  
I would love to get a job and move to the UK. Unfortunately it's very difficult unless you are a citizen of an  EU country.
 
2013-10-09 09:03:48 PM  
Australia for me. If Mad Max times are coming, I'm going to do them properly.
 
2013-10-09 09:04:04 PM  

jaerik: contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.

Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.


There's a show on Nat Geo Canada called Border Security that follows CBSA agents. (border guards). It's amazing how many people either think the border is just a tollbooth type shack with no security, or that because Canada is so liberal they can openly bring pounds of grass across.
 
2013-10-09 09:04:36 PM  
Europe as good points I concede, but speaking as one who has lived there, you will find the prices to be outrageously high, and what few jobs are available don't pay very well at all.

\\\ Still a nice place to visit though.
 
2013-10-09 09:04:42 PM  
Besides, if we go down we're taking your free loading euro trash asses with us.
 
2013-10-09 09:12:00 PM  

Cybernetic: I'm waiting for them to learn the proper type of football.

/Yes, I went there.


Football, you keep using that word, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

In North America we call a game football when 99.999% of the time the ball is in your hands.
 
2013-10-09 09:12:51 PM  
Has subby looked at the jobs and financial stats in Europe?!? Greece, Spain, Poland, Portugal and most of the eastern countries have more than double our unemployment rates. Iceland is bankrupt (good luck getting permanent citizenship there or in the Faroes), as is Greece. Italy is teetering on bankruptcy, and with Germany towing the financial line for those EU countries they won't be far behind. England? Good luck finding work that'll actually pay the sky-high cost of living and ungodly taxes there.

Plus, if you're black, sad to say, most Euro countries aren't exactly going to be friendly to ya (Scandonavia, anyone?).
Fark it, move to Canada if anywhere. Or to Mexico or China, since most of the big companies will be there in the next 10 years.
 
2013-10-09 09:12:53 PM  
hitmanric:

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again.

The residency tax in Switzerland is seven times your monthly rent, and since the cheapest apartment you are likely to find will run you $3000 a month, you are looking right into the teeth of $21,000 a year.

But on the plus side, there are no slums, I never saw a house I would not consider living in, and there were no tramps panhandling on the streets.  You can look down into a river and see fish swimming, walk through a forest where men have cut timber for 50,000 years and there are still plenty of trees, and walk the streets with no fear because there is almost no crime.  The people are so honest, if they see a Franc on the sidewalk they won't pick it up because it does not belong to them.

Beautiful place.
 
2013-10-09 09:13:04 PM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I would love to get a job and move to the UK. Unfortunately it's very difficult unless you are a citizen of an  EU country.


Ditto. I've always dreamed of it, in fact. Not a troll statement, because some American people are truly awesome. The government on the other hand... Kinda sketchy to say the least.

You can repeat the mantra "America is #1" all you want, but you have to ask yourself: 1) Is it true? and if so,  #2)  Is it #1 at what? 'Cause quality of life for its citizens is not it. Our leaders are out for number one, and number one is themselves.
 
2013-10-09 09:15:29 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.


There's plenty of ethnic mix in Europe. Race is not a barrier.
 
2013-10-09 09:16:37 PM  

frestcrallen: Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.

It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.


I can imagine that in about two or three generations, everyone will learn one language from interactions with their family, and probably carry some sort of computer around that's able to translate near-real time whatever people around them say, or whatever is in their field of vision.
Our children will probably be the last generation of people in the developed world that has any practical reason to learn more than one language.
Then again, I'm making predictions that will take 50 years or more to manifest, so It's pretty safe ground for me, personally.
 
2013-10-09 09:17:13 PM  

GORDON: HOW can this POSSIBLY happen with the LIGHTBRINGER in office?

No manned space program?

Post offices closing?

Can't go to Yellowstone?

NSA assuming all American are enemies of the state?

What the hell?


Tea Party.
 
2013-10-09 09:17:33 PM  

contrapunctus: Basically, we are not as free to move around the world as we like to think.


Which is why most immigrants come here in the first place: To escape status quos and economic immobility.
 
2013-10-09 09:18:03 PM  
Do those reasons include tips on what to do in the case of banking system collapse, rioting Muslims and the resurgence of fascism?
 
2013-10-09 09:19:08 PM  

Slartibreakfast: Cybernetic: I'm waiting for them to learn the proper type of football.

/Yes, I went there.

Football, you keep using that word, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

In North America we call a game football when 99.999% of the time the ball is in your hands.



And hey what's up with DRIVEways and PARKways?! That's CRAAAAZY!
 
2013-10-09 09:20:25 PM  

Ricardo Klement: In Germany, you better speak English, German, and one other G8 language if you want a job of any consequence.


This is true. In the sense of "sad but true". I estimate that about one out of six Germans is able to speak English decently. I don't know about other foreign languages, but I optimistically guess about one out of thirty might be trilingual. Foreign language school education in Germany is just awful.
I read a lot of students' papers in German and English, some of them bizarrely mixed up beyond recognition. Also, I often read magazines for customers or employees by so-called German global players. Most of the content is insufferable wannabe expert bullshiat.
 
2013-10-09 09:21:46 PM  
Rather trolltastic headline. I personally love kicking it in Europe, and it might be great to live there, but take 16 for example---that coffee you sip in a Paris coffee shop will run you 5 euros---and keep in mind that your salary is less than what you get in America. So you might be staying home---again---in an outer arrondisement.
 
2013-10-09 09:22:28 PM  

groppet: Hey my family was thrown out of some of the finest places in Europe I doubt they want us back.


I could go to Israel, I suppose.  But there's that whole bomby thing.
 
2013-10-09 09:23:12 PM  
Europe's a great place. Shame about all the Europeans though.
 
2013-10-09 09:24:02 PM  
amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?
 
2013-10-09 09:25:09 PM  

olddinosaur: hitmanric:

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again.

The residency tax in Switzerland is seven times your monthly rent, and since the cheapest apartment you are likely to find will run you $3000 a month, you are looking right into the teeth of $21,000 a year.

But on the plus side, there are no slums, I never saw a house I would not consider living in, and there were no tramps panhandling on the streets.  You can look down into a river and see fish swimming, walk through a forest where men have cut timber for 50,000 years and there are still plenty of trees, and walk the streets with no fear because there is almost no crime.  The people are so honest, if they see a Franc on the sidewalk they won't pick it up because it does not belong to them.

Beautiful place.


What is a "residency tax?"  You mean if you're a visa holder and not a citizen?

/Not trolling, serious question.
 
2013-10-09 09:26:25 PM  

mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?


I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.
 
2013-10-09 09:26:32 PM  
What's stopping us indeed? Feel free to go there if you love it so much. You won't be missed.
 
2013-10-09 09:26:42 PM  

olddinosaur: The residency tax in Switzerland is seven times your monthly rent, and since the cheapest apartment you are likely to find will run you $3000 a month, you are looking right into the teeth of $21,000 a year.

But on the plus side, there are no slums, I never saw a house I would not consider living in, and there were no tramps panhandling on the streets.  You can look down into a river and see fish swimming, walk through a forest where men have cut timber for 50,000 years and there are still plenty of trees, and walk the streets with no fear because there is almost no crime.  The people are so honest, if they see a Franc on the sidewalk they won't pick it up because it does not belong to them.

Beautiful place.


I'm not accusing you of it, but it comes off as silly to me when Europhiles pick some small, rich, homogeneous country in Europe to compare to the U.S. as a whole. We have places like you've described in the U.S. as well, with similar populations - they just aren't independent countries. It would be like if we put a fence around the millionaires living in Montgomery County, Maryland, declared it a territory, and then compared it to the average European living situation to prove the U.S. is superior. The U.S. has slums, sure, but not every county has them. It's always struck me as an apples-to-oranges comparison.
 
2013-10-09 09:27:12 PM  

contrapunctus: Rent Party: contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

I'm #2.  As soon as the kids are grown, I'm blowing this popsicle stand.

South of France, here I  come.

Same here.

As fate had it I ended up I married a swede. We're teaching our daughter both languages so she can decide what to do when she gets older, but the wife and I have no illusions about retiring in America.

Odds are we'll end up in Norway living a quiet life in 15 or so years since the language is so similar and the living standard is so incredible. We practically treat our elderly like Soylent Green here in the US.


I married an Irish girl.  And while the language sounds like English, it ain't English.

We will probably settle in Dublin for a few years, then head to the Mediterranean.  God loves that EU passport.
 
2013-10-09 09:27:40 PM  
You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(
 
2013-10-09 09:27:49 PM  
i.imgur.com

Anything to declare?

Yeah, don't go to England
 
2013-10-09 09:30:54 PM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!
 
2013-10-09 09:33:53 PM  

Jim_Callahan: what kind of moron doesn't know that "American" cheese is just processed cheddar, and that we produce basicallly "y every variety of cheese domestically?


To be fair, I've never actually managed to find "American Cheese" (full stop, no additional weasel-words attached).  "American Pasteurized Process Cheese Food" seems to be the best I can find most of the time, and if I'm remembering correctly, legally that stuff can be up to 49% "not-cheese". If it's "Cheese Product" instead, I seem to recall it can be mostly "not-cheese". (I may have those two categories reversed, but the point stands).

Still, you're right. The state of "American Cheese" is a lot like the state of "American Beer". Everybody thinks of the indusrtial "product" but forgets that we have huge, awesome "artisanal" industry here and the REALLY "American" stuff tends to be found in small regional operations.

/"American Cheese" will no doubt turn out to be a slanderous French plot all along...
 
2013-10-09 09:35:17 PM  

Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.


I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.
 
2013-10-09 09:37:28 PM  

ZeroPly: Felgraf: 2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.

Uhh... unless you just invented an antigravity device, a physics PhD is about as useful as an A+ certification these days. Whatever you do, don't become an adjunct professor. A data entry clerk working through a temp agency gets treated better.


I graduated with a BS Physics in 1998, and being a "Physicist" meant having a graduate degree and a life of teaching and research. Which was much less exciting than my goal of back engineering UFOs.

After realizing the lack of paying jobs in ufology, I went into environmental engineering to make a paycheck, but will never regret studying physics and how it affected my worldview. But physics as a career isnt very lucrative and notable physicists are less common than the rock stars and supermodels that "make it." It's like being a teacher - you have to really love doing it and getting a crappy paycheck.

However, there are thousands of opportunities to spin that off, and Central America is full of engineering opportunities right now. And palm trees. And sun, blue water, white sand and New Age American expats.
 
2013-10-09 09:42:44 PM  
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
 
2013-10-09 09:43:30 PM  
I've been all over the world and been offered in many, many countries, and I'm pretty happy here in good old Colorado, US-F-A. I'll vacation in Norway, Italy, Spain, Czech, and Switzerland, but you can have their ridiculous prices, crime, and lazy-ass people--I couldn't LIVE with that day in and day out.
 
2013-10-09 09:43:50 PM  

EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!


I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs
 
2013-10-09 09:44:58 PM  

menschenfresser: You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(


Here's the problem, though.

Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas. We shiat all over our tech workers with H1B visas. We allowed corporate power to wrap its tentacles around the mouth of every news outlet so that nothing even approaching a critique of the oligarchy will air.

Now we're staring down the barrel of wealth inequality on par with pre-Depression levels. The difference between now and 80 years ago is that the working class no longer functions as a united fighting force, but instead fights amongst itself with the Roman Circus R vs D 'debate'.

George Carlin was right. We have created a pile of shiat too thick to climb out of. Those of you who want to save America have my support and I truly honor your efforts, but anyone paying attention knows that we're facing an uphill battle of epic proportions to get this country back from the brink of corporate fascism.

I have roughly 40 years on this planet and I'd like to spend it somewhere civil and quiet, thank you.
 
2013-10-09 09:45:02 PM  
Speaking as a Brit married to an American, it seems to me that you can make arguments and counter-arguments for almost any country. Work/life balance is vastly better in most European countries, but the flip side of that is that material wealth is almost always lower. RightToWork's assertion that "Euro-rich = middle-class suburban American lifestyle" is somewhat hyperbolic, but it's not entirely inaccurate. European healthcare is better almost across the board, both in treatment outcomes and availability, but taxation is high and choices are often limited. You could continue in this vein ad infinitum.

My wife and I have debated at length where to live, ultimately it's been guided by my our urge to travel. While America is very geographically diverse, it's often expensive to traverse and relatively monocultural, conversely travel in Europe is exceedingly inexpensive and there's wildly more difference between Italy and Denmark than there is between, say, Texas and Maine. The tax arguments have proven a red herring in our case, the difference is $8k per annum in America's favour, which is trivial when healthcare costs have considered, but the immense cost of London property has been a point strongly in favour of the US (although our jobs make most sense in NYC, where this saving is almost entirely negated. Sometimes it's not smart to treat America as one place, either.)
 
2013-10-09 09:48:42 PM  
Holy hell a lot of hate for America here.
 
2013-10-09 09:49:56 PM  

menschenfresser: As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while.


The need for 'proof' is a little overblown. It's not particularly hard for a company to sponsor a Tier 2 applicant, as, for example, having experience in the US market can be your defining skill. Unfortunately Tier 2 is no longer a path to residency, so you will ultimately have to go home unless you can either continue with your employer or transfer to another Tier 2 sponsor. Fairly dismal long-term situation unless you marry a local, but very feasible for a stay of a few years.
 
2013-10-09 09:51:10 PM  

rolladuck: frestcrallen: Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.

It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.

I can imagine that in about two or three generations, everyone will learn one language from interactions with their family, and probably carry some sort of computer around that's able to translate near-real time whatever people around them say, or whatever is in their field of vision.
Our children will probably be the last generation of people in the developed world that has any practical reason to learn more than one language.
Then again, I'm making predictions that will take 50 years or more to manifest, so It's pretty safe ground for me, personally.


The rolling 50 year mark.

/Why, just the other day, they broke even on fus [carrier_lost+++ATH0+++]
 
2013-10-09 09:51:34 PM  
th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-09 09:52:05 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-09 09:52:13 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.


Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.
 
2013-10-09 09:53:59 PM  

noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


I have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, emergency preparedness plan and more...and I live in the city now.

But I used to live on a 20 acre farm a half hour away from civilization. People out there develop a different sense of self sufficiency. We had guns and a whole list of things that you only begun to allude to.

I actually see more of a need to have a gun in the city than the country. But it's a foreign, scary concept to city people (except the city gang bangers and other criminals, they're really comfortable with it).
 
2013-10-09 09:55:40 PM  
I think the English royal family technically still has an open hit out for my entire clan. And considering how openly racist my blonde haired, blue eyed German grandmother was, I don't think Germany would want me either.
 
2013-10-09 09:57:24 PM  

noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?
 
2013-10-09 09:57:47 PM  

contrapunctus: menschenfresser: You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(

Here's the problem, though.

Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas. We shiat all over our tech workers with H1B visas. We allowed corporate power to wrap its tentacles around the mouth of every news outlet so that nothing even approaching a critique of the oligarchy will air.

Now we're staring down the barrel of wealth inequality on par with pre-Depression levels. The difference between now and 80 years ago is that the working class no longer functions as a united fighting force, but instead fights amongst itself with the Roman Circus R vs D 'debate'.

George Carlin was right. We have created a pile of shiat too thick to climb out of. Those of you who want to save America have my support and I truly honor your efforts, but anyone paying attention knows that we're facing an uphill battle of epic proportions to get this country back from the brink of corporate fascism.

I have roughly 40 years on this planet and I'd like to spend it somewhere civil and quiet, thank you.


I started reading this and I was disagreeing...

And by the time I got to the end I have to say I do agree. :/

I'm 42 - expect to have another 40, higher power willing, and since I've been married we've gone through THREE crashes together, if you include the impending one. 2001, 2008, and 2013/14?

That is some crazy shiat.  My grandfather almost starved during the Great Depression, clawed the family up to upper middle class, and here we are likely to wind up back on the farm/depressed all over again.

I would honestly like to just have some peace.  Not sure what that would take.
 
2013-10-09 09:58:33 PM  

Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.



Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.
 
2013-10-09 10:02:59 PM  

Witness99: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

I have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, emergency preparedness plan and more...and I live in the city now.

But I used to live on a 20 acre farm a half hour away from civilization. People out there develop a different sense of self sufficiency. We had guns and a whole list of things that you only begun to allude to.

I actually see more of a need to have a gun in the city than the country. But it's a foreign, scary concept to city people (except the city gang bangers and other criminals, they're really comfortable with it).


The problem with gun owners that I know is that it's like this crazy feedback loop.  They get into this...I don't know...paranoid culture...and keep acquiring and acquiring guns and talking to people who are convinced that Obammy is coming for their guns.

I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.  Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

Really...how good are you with a 9mm?  I know a guy who just went nuts...his wife even said to me, "I married (name) and now I'm married to Militia Guy."
 
2013-10-09 10:04:32 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


Yeah, that list was pretty lame. It compared our worst crap to Europe's best. Forget that you can get real quality cheese, and chocolate here in the U.S. All we know is the crap that is mass marketed to the fat, dumb, and lazy.

For example, a local cheese that will rock your palate...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Fog
 
2013-10-09 10:05:38 PM  

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.


It's not the quadratic formula.  It's the scientific method that people need to understand.  The fact that you test a hypothesis and CHANGE YOUR MIND when there is opposing information.  Just that would go a long way to breaking the insanity that grips DC right now.

If push came to shove I would sacrifice that for a media literacy course and/or a critical thinking course.
 
2013-10-09 10:06:06 PM  
If you overlook the warring, roving bands of Neo-Nazis and Muslim fundamentalists; the rapacious taxes; the fact that Germany will inevitably get bored and look for a little Anschluss for all the countries that owe it money; the French; and the fact that you can't get a medium well cheeseburger to save your life, then yeah, Europe's farking awesome.
 
2013-10-09 10:07:11 PM  

trotsky: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.


Unpossible. I heard from my right wing friends that in Europe they confiscate your guns and if you even think of trying to own a gun they cut your nuts off. It must be true.
 
2013-10-09 10:08:04 PM  

Kit Fister: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?


img.totaloutdoornetwork.com

I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.
 
2013-10-09 10:10:05 PM  

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.


Agreed. More people should know about science, but knowing how to function is a higher priority.
 
2013-10-09 10:10:38 PM  

jaerik: A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.


A very good chunk of your head must be up your ass.

The list doesn't compare the best to the best. It compares our worst to their best. Not to say our best is better, but it's not the idiotic comparison the dumbass author put forth, and the one to which you appear to subscribe.

Dumbasses gonna believe dumbass $#!+.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-09 10:11:03 PM  

noitsnot: I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.


Wanna try that again but this time have it make sense?
 
2013-10-09 10:12:44 PM  

noitsnot: Kit Fister: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?

[img.totaloutdoornetwork.com image 500x365]

I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.


What the hell is that curvy gray and pink thing?
 
2013-10-09 10:13:15 PM  
Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.
 
2013-10-09 10:14:57 PM  

Janusdog: but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun


For what you do, a shotgun may be fine.  For me a shotgun will only work about 1/10 for what I do.  Just because you have no use for anything else does not mean that everyone else doesn't.
 
2013-10-09 10:14:59 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.


Well, I don't have a gun at all anyways.  But I did enjoy some of the shooting I did recreationally.  The husband really doesn't want a gun in the house.
 
2013-10-09 10:16:14 PM  

HeadLever: Janusdog: but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun

For what you do, a shotgun may be fine.  For me a shotgun will only work about 1/10 for what I do.  Just because you have no use for anything else does not mean that everyone else doesn't.


If "what you do" is only related to home defense, then I stand by my statement.  If you do other things, then...point taken.
 
2013-10-09 10:16:15 PM  

mizchief: fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.

That is a stupid old sterotype, like people who say American beer sucks pointing to Budweiser, while we have more craft brewers than anyone else in the world. .


That's funny, because Budweiser isn't an American owned company. Inbev is  a Belgian based company. That's it, I'm convinced, Belgians beer sucks!
 
2013-10-09 10:17:55 PM  

Janusdog: demaL-demaL-yeH: Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.

Well, I don't have a gun at all anyways.  But I did enjoy some of the shooting I did recreationally.  The husband really doesn't want a gun in the house.


Fine. Get a nice softball bat. Practice, practice, practice. Get to the point where disarming and hitting vitals is instinct. Then practice some more.
 
2013-10-09 10:19:15 PM  

Janusdog: noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.

It's not the quadratic formula.  It's the scientific method that people need to understand.  The fact that you test a hypothesis and CHANGE YOUR MIND when there is opposing information.  Just that would go a long way to breaking the insanity that grips DC right now.

If push came to shove I would sacrifice that for a media literacy course and/or a critical thinking course.



I sympathize with you, but I don't think it really works that way.  You can't just give folks more larnin' and expect them to start behaving reasonably.  It's a brain biology problem - our brains discount just that kind of input (new data that contradicts the groupthink of the tribe).  Being rational isn't natural.
 
2013-10-09 10:19:37 PM  

stanhapsburg: Ricardo Klement: In Germany, you better speak English, German, and one other G8 language if you want a job of any consequence.

This is true. In the sense of "sad but true". I estimate that about one out of six Germans is able to speak English decently. I don't know about other foreign languages, but I optimistically guess about one out of thirty might be trilingual. Foreign language school education in Germany is just awful.
I read a lot of students' papers in German and English, some of them bizarrely mixed up beyond recognition. Also, I often read magazines for customers or employees by so-called German global players. Most of the content is insufferable wannabe expert bullshiat.


Don't have any hard data to back this up, but with immersion and/or private school programs being an obvious exception, I'd argue that foreign language school education in most countries is awful. Most of the people I've known who speak +1 languages got their chops through bilingual parents, travel, working while travelling, or foreign spouses. It's rare to meet someone who attributes skill in a language to time spent at school.
 
2013-10-09 10:22:11 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Riiiiigghhhhttttt, Because ALL the rich assholes who play puppeteer with the world's governments live here, and nowhere else; always have, always will. I KNEW there was a reason why we have it so much better. Thanks for helping out with that. I owe you one.
 
2013-10-09 10:23:08 PM  

Janusdog: If "what you do" is only related to home defense, then I stand by my statement.


Home defense is not a large reason for me and what I do with my guns.
 
2013-10-09 10:24:18 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.




perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


I lived in Italy as a child, and learned to speak Italian fluently. I've forgotten it since then from lack of using it, but I know that I could pick it up again very quickly.

However, the country is in a mess, and they're being bombarded with illegal immigrants, so the mood there is very anti-immigrant. I don't have any really unusual skills, unless they want SAS programmers. So, no emigration for me.
 
2013-10-09 10:24:37 PM  

frestcrallen: Don't have any hard data to back this up, but with immersion and/or private school programs being an obvious exception, I'd argue that foreign language school education in most countries is awful. Most of the people I've known who speak +1 languages got their chops through bilingual parents, travel, working while travelling, or foreign spouses. It's rare to meet someone who attributes skill in a language to time spent at school.


*raises hand*
 
2013-10-09 10:25:01 PM  

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.



The idea is more about learning how to think and understanding how the world around you works on a fundamental level to the extent you can, not so much about learning formulae or memorizing facts or being a math whiz. Yes, learning how to interact ethically with other people is a good thing, but so is understanding the technology and environment and natural history and statistics that form the background for, if not the focus of, those interactions. And it isn't just science, it's history and art and religion and logic and all the other education that various damaging dumbasses try to maim or twist to their own political ends. (Including the teaching of "reasonable rules and standards for behavior" which have been staggered by "zero tolerance" assaults on reason, responsibility and the exercise of good judgment.)

/utopia, no; fewer damaging dumbasses, maybe
 
2013-10-09 10:25:18 PM  

RightToWork: Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.


Oh my, you sound... um, large.

NTTAWWT.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-09 10:25:39 PM  

Bob Down: [th08.deviantart.net image 850x679]


Awww, how cute. Coming from somone's whose country was founded by the worst criminal elements the British empire had to deal with.

/glass houses and whatnot
 
2013-10-09 10:26:15 PM  

gja: noitsnot: I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.

Wanna try that again but this time have it make sense?



You didn't get that?

(OK, OK - I give up!  It's just that I love that picture, and I can't resist tweaking gun kooks when jump into any given discussion with "NUH UH - CUZ MAH GUNS!!!!  YUP!")

(I had a gun when I was in my early twenties - cuz it gave me a tough guy boner.  After a couple years, I looked at it and thought "What the hell is this for, exactly?" and then I sold it to some goober.)
 
2013-10-09 10:28:08 PM  

Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.


you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.

contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.
 
2013-10-09 10:33:02 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.


This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.


Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.
 
2013-10-09 10:34:36 PM  

contrapunctus: Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas.


Another America sucks rant that just doesn't quite hold up to reality. America is the largest manufacturer in the world. We're just not making cheap shiat anymore. The margins on complex tools, planes, super computers, etc are better anyway.

http://shopfloor.org/2011/03/u-s-manufacturing-remains-worlds-larges t/ 18756
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/0401/US-manufactu ri ng-export-orders-hit-20-year-high
 
2013-10-09 10:35:33 PM  
They're also way more racist and intolerant than the US, so there's that!
 
2013-10-09 10:36:35 PM  

Frantic Freddie: ... 2 full-size fridges & a chest freezer....



Wow, just... wow.
 
2013-10-09 10:39:44 PM  

Mister Peejay: I was unaware that relocating to a different country was just as easy as moving to another state in the US, with none of those pesky immigration laws.


Maybe not quite as easy as moving from New Hampshire to Maine, but where there's a will, there's a way.
Lived in five countries on three continents legally, without an employer to help. It's all doable.
 
2013-10-09 10:40:52 PM  

noitsnot: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x626]


K bye guys, moving to Russia now.  ttyl.
 
2013-10-09 10:43:17 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.


I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?
 
2013-10-09 10:47:22 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


You live 40 miles from a supermarket?
 
2013-10-09 10:48:43 PM  

Surpheon: contrapunctus: Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas.

Another America sucks rant that just doesn't quite hold up to reality. America is the largest manufacturer in the world. We're just not making cheap shiat anymore. The margins on complex tools, planes, super computers, etc are better anyway.

http://shopfloor.org/2011/03/u-s-manufacturing-remains-worlds-larges t/ 18756
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/0401/US-manufactu ri ng-export-orders-hit-20-year-high


Amen to this

/works for an innovative American manufacturer, making a unique product made in only one place on the planet.
 
2013-10-09 10:49:25 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.

I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?


A spouse, if you have one.
 
2013-10-09 10:49:55 PM  
The ones that had any need to move already done so, mostly say they from Canada when asked,   rest of you just stay put, cook something
and see how your 1% guys all spend more time in houses outside US
 
2013-10-09 10:52:47 PM  
www.the-spearhead.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

(GIS for hot European women)
 
2013-10-09 10:57:15 PM  

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


Funny , I was always told it was paid from my 65% tax, that and free schools and roads but then what do I know,  I also remember that locals are kind of keen to let you packup and leave, Im told same in Japan
 
2013-10-09 10:57:47 PM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


Right there with you:

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2013-10-09 10:58:01 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


They aren't just useless military bases.  I won't pretend that the US spends almost half of its budget on the military for the protection of other countries (it's mostly for US self-interest) but a genuine side-effect has been the subsidization of military power for allied countries since the end of WWII.  Canada benefited directly from the nuclear umbrella during the cold war whether they wanted it or not and indirectly from weapons development for traditional warfare.  That isn't besmirching the Canadian military, it's just something that happened.

Japan, however, ceded almost all military functions to the US and we supported them during their industrial regrowth post war.  Parts of Europe did to a lesser degree.  It was a symbiotic relationship that allowed the US to take advantage of a stable industrial base and allied or axis countries to take advantage of a lower military cost.

Of course, that relationship is now fraying, but it's probably all good.  The US can still be isolationist because of geography, so if we decide to circle the wagons, it's an option for us.
 
2013-10-09 11:01:59 PM  
As globalization occurs
All will be shared.

Soon, all good stuffs will be available everywhere.
Then the cream rises to the top.

Americans distribute theirs...Europeans distribute theirs...
and so on for Asia, Africa, etc.

You can't keep a good thing secret.
 
2013-10-09 11:02:56 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Right there with you:

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The vegetable chopping knife rules!
 
2013-10-09 11:05:21 PM  

Kit Fister: Holy hell a lot of hate for America here.


America, there's a lot to hate, and a lot to love. I'm feeling very emotional... *sniff*
 
2013-10-09 11:09:23 PM  
There are no king-sized Snickers in Europe
 
2013-10-09 11:11:39 PM  

RightToWork: olddinosaur: The residency tax in Switzerland is seven times your monthly rent, and since the cheapest apartment you are likely to find will run you $3000 a month, you are looking right into the teeth of $21,000 a year.

But on the plus side, there are no slums, I never saw a house I would not consider living in, and there were no tramps panhandling on the streets.  You can look down into a river and see fish swimming, walk through a forest where men have cut timber for 50,000 years and there are still plenty of trees, and walk the streets with no fear because there is almost no crime.  The people are so honest, if they see a Franc on the sidewalk they won't pick it up because it does not belong to them.

Beautiful place.

I'm not accusing you of it, but it comes off as silly to me when Europhiles pick some small, rich, homogeneous country in Europe to compare to the U.S. as a whole. We have places like you've described in the U.S. as well, with similar populations - they just aren't independent countries. It would be like if we put a fence around the millionaires living in Montgomery County, Maryland, declared it a territory, and then compared it to the average European living situation to prove the U.S. is superior. The U.S. has slums, sure, but not every county has them. It's always struck me as an apples-to-oranges comparison.


Yeah, Aspen is a great country.  Why can't everyone be rich white people?

What's amusing is when European style countries with smaller, homogenous populations get exposed to an influx of immigrants.  Two examples off the top of my head are France and Australia.  The number of illegal immigrants in the US is greater than half the total population of Australia.  Australians, however, are freaked out about boat people, who make up less than the number of people who overstayed a visa.  France simply doesn't have any idea what to do with their immigrants, so they choose to ignore them.  But in each case, you could play a game "US Southern white person circa 1902 or Australian/Frenchman?" when talking about minorities in each country.  France has already built their slums.  Australians are trying to avoid it by kicking people out.
 
2013-10-09 11:13:26 PM  

ransack.: There are no king-sized Snickers in Europe


img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-10-09 11:13:57 PM  

rogue49: As globalization occurs
All will be shared.

Soon, all good stuffs will be available everywhere.
Then the cream rises to the top.

Americans distribute theirs...Europeans distribute theirs...
and so on for Asia, Africa, etc.

You can't keep a good thing secret.


All people will become the color of Padma Lakshmi.
 
2013-10-09 11:18:05 PM  

ransack.: There are no king-sized Snickers in Europe


True, but I've seen very few king-sized Snickers-sized Europeans.
/And they were OLD.
 
2013-10-09 11:22:53 PM  
Dammit...I just bought a car
 
2013-10-09 11:22:58 PM  

ransack.: There are no king-sized Snickers in Europe


No wonder they're always douches.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:33 PM  

gja: Bob Down: [th08.deviantart.net image 850x679]

Awww, how cute. Coming from somone's whose country was founded by the worst criminal elements the British empire had to deal with.

/glass houses and whatnot


Too much salt?
 
2013-10-09 11:26:13 PM  
"We are a nation that has a government-not the other way around."
-Ronald Reagan
 
2013-10-09 11:26:37 PM  
The money to do so naturally.  I'm stuck here
 
2013-10-09 11:34:33 PM  

perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.


"Sorry, we're deporting all these illegal immigrants. You can have them back. You know, white people, black people, yellow people. They're yours, Europe/Asia."

/is red people
 
2013-10-09 11:41:04 PM  
I live half the year in Belgium, and half the year in Philly. And half of the year I wish I were in Belgium.

The article mentions most of the reasons, but ignores one thing the superior school systems of Europe.
 
2013-10-09 11:41:06 PM  
Moving to Europe or Canada is for rich people.  So yea, were all farked.

/really wish I was rich, never will be.
 
2013-10-09 11:53:33 PM  
Only if I can get to see the inside of that Tardis thingy. Then I'll move to Europe.
 
2013-10-09 11:54:08 PM  

phrawgh: fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]

You live 40 miles from a supermarket?


Actually, now that I look it up I live about 70 miles from Tillamook and the factory where that cheese it made. Though I could have sworn last time I made the drive it didn't take me much longer than 45 minutes.
 
2013-10-09 11:55:24 PM  
Dear Europe,

You're a great vacation spot. But you are too uptight and snobby for our liking. (For example, we like cheese. Just ask Wisconsin. But we are not going to look down our noses if another nation prefers one type over another type. It's freakin' cheese.) Thanks but no thanks.

your weird neighbors on the other side of the planet,
The Americans

P.S.  We do have castles here. Just not ancient ones.
 
2013-10-09 11:58:46 PM  

fusillade762: phrawgh: fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]

You live 40 miles from a supermarket?

Actually, now that I look it up I live about 70 miles from Tillamook and the factory where that cheese it made. Though I could have sworn last time I made the drive it didn't take me much longer than 45 minutes.


I live in Korea and I only drive about 10 minutes to the nearest Tillamook distributor (aka the commissary).
 
2013-10-10 12:09:37 AM  

Janusdog: Janusdog: What the hell is that curvy gray and pink thing?


I'm guessing custom magazine or gigantic dildo. Knowing that guy, it might well be both.
 
2013-10-10 12:10:19 AM  
Why are the euroweenies so upset that the metric system isn't more widely used here?  It isn't wanted here.  If it were, more people would be using it.  There's no law against newspapers, radio and tv stations from using metric measurements in news stories or weather reports.  If you own a grocery store or deli, there's against selling meat by the kilogram instead of by the pound.  If you run a hardware store, there's no law against selling rope by the meter or paint by the liter.  Americans don't want the metric system.  There was a law passed in the late 80s that would have required all signs on the interstates to use metric measurements.  People raised hell to the point congress repealed that law.
 
2013-10-10 12:11:32 AM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Have you ever heard of the Marshall Plan?

Anyway I'm calling BS on the rest of your post. You said you were out of work on disability in another thread. Oh yeah, and daily altercations with co-workers too. How did our recession cause that?

Piss off.
 
2013-10-10 12:26:29 AM  
My gf is a pysch resident at the Univ. of Rennes in France...thinking about making the move from San Francisco. Ugh....I don't know what to do?!
 
2013-10-10 12:27:39 AM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish.


Perhaps it would be worth checking out the other end of the Finno-Ugric language spectrum.  Anyone speaking Ugric these days?
 
2013-10-10 12:33:37 AM  
I agree with most of the list but the two about cars are just nuts.  The other 14 advantages that go to the EU do not make up for the average person there not being able to have a real car, or for their pussy, stinky-cheese and wine crowd form of racing.  Long live muscle cars, trucks and nascar.  Despite that last sentence I am not actually a redneck, just a normal car guy.
 
2013-10-10 12:41:55 AM  
What a useless article..Europe is as big as the CONUS. I've never been to all parts but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that living in Vienna is probably not the same experience as living in say Limerick, Ireland.
 
2013-10-10 12:42:12 AM  
I'd love to actually. I really would. But I work in nuclear power, and I'm not a senior tech. That makes finding an in-house job very difficult in the USA let alone overseas. Also I have a reptile (can reptiles get passports?) and a cat that I refuse to leave behind.

I might, MIGHT be able to work in France, I guess? They're still very pro-nuclear. Germany not so much anymore. But expat jobs in nuclear require a lot of experience if you go through a contract company like Bartlett, even more if you want to go something like Westinghouse.

I dunno. I'd totally live in France. I don't speak French (I took Mandarin in college), but I guess I could learn and English is pretty ubiquitous in nuke. I'd also do any of the Scandinavian nations, because Metal music.

/any French nukees got a hookup?
//I'm a radiation protection technician with approximately 4900/6000 hours to senior
///radiation protection is not a mobile job outside the industry
////I mean ops can go to any turbine driven plant, same with anything else but RadPro
 
2013-10-10 12:42:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... what kind of moron doesn't know that "American" cheese is just processed cheddar, and that we produce basically every variety of cheese domestically?


I know I know I know!

An American moron?
 
2013-10-10 12:46:42 AM  

AutumnWind: ISO15693: Forget Europe. I'm moving to New Zealand.

Giant bugs of horror. Not worth it!


Weta you talking about?
 
2013-10-10 12:50:56 AM  

contrapunctus: menschenfresser: You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(

Here's the problem, though.

Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas. We shiat all over our tech workers with H1B visas. We allowed corporate power to wrap its tentacles around the mouth of every news outlet so that nothing even approaching a critique of the oligarchy will air.

Now we're staring down the barrel of wealth inequality on par with pre-Depression levels. The difference between now and 80 years ago is that the working class no longer functions as a united fighting force, but instead fights amongst itself with the Roman Circus R vs D 'debate'.

George Carlin was right. We have created a pile of shiat too thick to climb out of. Those of you who want to save America have my support and I truly honor your efforts, but anyone paying attention knows that we're facing an uphill battle of epic proportions to get this country back from the brink of corporate fascism.

I have roughly 40 years on this planet and I'd like to spend it somewhere civil and quiet, thank you.


This. You are awesome.
 
2013-10-10 12:53:29 AM  

Kit Fister: Holy hell a lot of hate for America here.


Weird, eh? It's like if you interfere with, manipulate and otherwise exploit other countries and regions purely to protect and advance American interests, everybody gets all pissed off. What is up with that?
 
2013-10-10 12:54:26 AM  
My $0.02...

Yes, western Europeans speak excellent English.  But that's because an overwhelming amount of their media comes from America--and usually it's just sub-titled so they're hearing English all the time and getting an immediate text translation.  I'll bet far more Germans watch movies from Hollywood than Americans watch movies from Babelsberg.  Not to mention the Marshall Plan that followed the SECOND time we bailed Europe out of a world war--that's why they get English all through their school years.  I heard some Belgians--typical Europeans who claim to speak a dozen languages--try to speak Spanish, and their Spanish somehow managed to be even worse than my Spanish.  At least the people in Iceland and Hungary realize that almost nobody outside of their culture besides tiny-dicked linguists are going to learn their overly-difficult languages and learn English instead.  Travel a bit, and you'll realize that English is the *ahem* lingua franca of the world and will probably be that way until Esperanto catches on.

If anything, American culture is bulldozing the hell out of European culture--go to any European city, and most of the hip, new businesses have English names (Bulldog Coffeeshop in Amsterdam, the Lunch Bunny restaurant in the City 2 shopping mall in Brussels, Starbucks and McDonald's with Cyrillic signs in Moscow, etc.)  Actually, I'm kinda saddened by how so many Europeans are trying very, very hard to act American.  Not to mention the many people in Russia who would kill to emigrate to America.

And the populations in Europe are imploding like crazy.  Most western European countries are well below replacement fertility--Germany is something like 1.3 kids per Frau--and that's with a huge influx of Muslims.  You simply cannot drive across Brussels without getting into a half dozen near accidents, and in Amsterdam, bicycles and Vespas seem to come out of nowhere and run you over.  Moscow has a ton of gangsta graffiti in Cyrillic and something like 80% of Russian guys smoke like chimneys.

Most of the people I know who rant on and on about how Europeans are so damned superior to Americans have never been to Europe.  Yes, I know there's the typical "Ugly American", but now we also have "Self-Loathing Americans" who seem to not understand that Europe is just as screwed up as America or Asia or Africa, etc...
 
2013-10-10 12:59:14 AM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I would love to get a job and move to the UK. Unfortunately it's very difficult unless you are a citizen of an EU country.


Easy.  Married an Italian who has US citizenship, myself and children are entitled to EU passports and citizenship.  Kids will have many more choices for education than I did.
 
2013-10-10 01:07:37 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?


Fists & feet.   I always know where they are even in the dark.  Stopping to put on earmuffs and body armor are you?  OK I'll wait.....

People who fantasize about their ability to wage a defensive gunbattle from their bed have screws loose or watched too many action movies.
 
2013-10-10 01:09:11 AM  
A really smart guy once told me "You can't solve your problems with geography", and I agree with him.  With the possible exception of Hawaii and the Cayman Islands, every place on Earth has its plusses and minuses (and Hawaii has issues with homeless people, meth, and unemployment).

Europe is no better or worse than America.  I haven't been to Mexico recently, but it wasn't as bad as all the negative stereotypes portray (Calderon's drug war might have changed things, though).  I think people have a tendency to idealize other places, but that's delusional.  And a lot of quality-of-life issues have to do with income levels--the richest people living in the nicest neighborhood in Detroit probably have it better than the poorest heroin addicts in the nastiest neighborhood in Rotterdam...
 
2013-10-10 01:09:36 AM  
Love Europe and Poland and Hungry and Ukraine... But You don't get HST in Europe...

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-10 01:26:06 AM  
A bit off-topic...

Your typical American pseudo-intellectual who thinks he's hip to Chinese culture because he's got a Chinese character tattooed on his butt and saw every episode of "Kung Fu" (David Carradine isn't remotely Chinese, BTW) will tell you that each Chinese ideogram is a profound Zen koan that's a zillion times more brilliant than the collective works of Shakespeare.

Bullshiat.  There's something like 6,000 characters in Chinese and some of them have up to 50 or so strokes (and something like 39 strokes for simplified Chinese) and that is one very, very big reason why Chinese isn't popular among non-Han Chinese.  Chinese governments through the years have realized this and there's been many, many different proposals for Latinizing the Chinese writing system.  (Peking, Beijing, using spelling differences or diacritical marks for tones, etc., etc.)  Heck, there was even one government that seriously considered making Esperanto the official language of China.

The only practical thing about the Chinese writing system is that it allows the Chinese to communicate with each other.  Otherwise, there's no one 'Chinese' language--Mandarin, Cantonese, etc. are generally mutually unintelligible.  That's why it survives.

Ever wonder how they used to send telegrams with the Chinese writing system?  They'd first look up the character in a very thick code book--they can only alphabetize it by stroke count, so you'll look through potentially hundreds of characters--and then look up a 4-digit numerical code.  Then you transmit the numerical code by Morse Code and on the opposite end, you look up the numerical code in another book to translate it back to a Chinese character.  Imagine how many BILLIONS of man-hours of extra work that made, not to mention much more errors and slow transmission times.  If there were a runaway train full of explosives heading towards a Chinese railroad station, it would be blown to bits before the warning came through the telegraph line.

Ever see a Chinese typewriter?  Very big, very complex, and very expensive--and the speed demons of the Chinese typing world are lucky if they can bang out 4 characters a minute.  I'll take a wild guess that when computer scientists do programming in China, they probably don't write C+, Java Script or machine language in Chinese characters.  And I'll bet the engineering textbooks in China use the Greek letter Rho to represent density and Omega for angular speed--not to mention "C" for carbon, Latin names for species, etc.

But I digress...
 
2013-10-10 01:30:36 AM  
Subby:

After 9/11, and especially after the world's economy collapsed (*cough* Europe *cough*), it basically became impossible to emigrate to Europe. You guys get your cheap labour from Eastern Europe and your "educated class" can't find work... so companies aren't looking to bring foreigners in.

Facts. They're a biatch.

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2013-10-10 01:33:09 AM  
Really? Cheese? Ok you asked for it.

Behold, the cheese aisle at Woodman's...

Three refrigerator cases. First, the small one on the left.

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Then, two more on the right. The cheese section ends at the second refrigerator case where the people are standing. The second case on the left is butter.

i.imgur.com

/Yes, they have Lurpak and Kerry Gold butter in addition to every conceivable variety of cheese
//What now biatches?
 
2013-10-10 01:36:38 AM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

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perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


And we don't want you.  No offence, but we've seen the crazy stuff happening over there and are worried it might be contagious.
 
2013-10-10 01:51:35 AM  

Mayhem_2006: So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.

And we don't want you.  No offence, but we've seen the crazy stuff happening over there and are worried it might be contagious.


You should be worried. We're already infecting Canada with our derpteria.
 
2013-10-10 01:51:36 AM  
I recently worked a gig on a Russian TV show and was appalled by how third-world the studio was.  The studio I worked in was a real piece of work--the stage bounced a lot due to the cheap plexiglass on it, the back stage hadn't been refurbished since the 70s, my equipment had a certain dollar-store quality to it, and the the plumbing in the bathroom was something you'd find in the Philippines.    Sure, many Russians have smartphones and drive Hyundais that were made in Mexico, but the infrastructure everywhere is what you'd expect in the poorest neighborhoods in Philadelphia.  I met some very classy Russians including one awesome cosmonaut who was very modest, but they're no better than anybody you'd meet just about anywhere.  The life expectancy of the average Russian male is actually less than it was under Communism due to the insane amounts of alcohol and cigarettes they consume.

Amsterdam is basically a cool city, too, but I don't think I'd want to live there.  Bicycles come out of nowhere and people regularly drive Vespas on the bike trails.  There's garbage in the canals and lots and lots of graffiti.  It's also very expensive there.  Most signs are bilingual and they usually put English on top of Dutch--they realize that Dutch is nowhere nearly as popular as French or German outside of Holland and have to accommodate the many foreigners that visit.  Even before I visited Belgium, I was aware that at one time, it had the highest pedestrian death rate in Europe.  Visit Brussels and you'll see it first-hand--the traffic is very intimidating.  Your typical American would crap his slacks at the thought of driving in Belgium.

I'm not ripping on Europe as much as pointing out that it's not the heaven-on-earth that Americans idealize that it is.  It's simply different; life in Bettendorf, Iowa or Manhattan, Kansas isn't any better or worse than life in Hattem, Holland or Reykjavik, Iceland...
 
2013-10-10 01:52:36 AM  
My first thought was "then get the f*ck out, shoo, and take your fellow complainers and quitters with you, crybaby." But that's not entirely how I feel. So you go ahead if you want. There is no wall up keeping you in, and I'll welcome you back if the grass over there sucks too. Moving about is just something humans do. If I ever leave I will probably relocate to Mexico or somewhere in Central or South America.
 
2013-10-10 01:54:03 AM  

Psycat: Otherwise, there's no one 'Chinese' language--Mandarin, Cantonese, etc. are generally mutually unintelligible.  That's why it survives.


Mandarin is then national language of China. They voted on it and everything. Cantonese is a close second. If you speak Mandarin you can get by all over China except in potentially the most obscure regions and there's probably still someone there who speaks Mandarin because again, it's the natural language and by law everyone's got to know it.

/took two terms of Mandarin in college
//now understand why translations are always farked up
 
2013-10-10 01:58:30 AM  

illannoyin: Really? Cheese? Ok you asked for it.

Behold, the cheese aisle at Woodman's...

Three refrigerator cases. First, the small one on the left.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Then, two more on the right. The cheese section ends at the second refrigerator case where the people are standing. The second case on the left is butter.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

/Yes, they have Lurpak and Kerry Gold butter in addition to every conceivable variety of cheese
//What now biatches?


How much of that is orange dyed, processed 'cheddar?' Is there anything there that's not pasteurized?
 
2013-10-10 01:59:10 AM  

Ringshadow: Psycat: Otherwise, there's no one 'Chinese' language--Mandarin, Cantonese, etc. are generally mutually unintelligible.  That's why it survives.

Mandarin is then national language of China. They voted on it and everything. Cantonese is a close second. If you speak Mandarin you can get by all over China except in potentially the most obscure regions and there's probably still someone there who speaks Mandarin because again, it's the natural language and by law everyone's got to know it.

/took two terms of Mandarin in college
//now understand why translations are always farked up


Good that they have at least one 'official' language/dialect.  I remember reading that 30s Hollywood actress Anna May Wong visited China once on a famous tour and actually needed a translator because she spoke a different dialect.  Just out of curiosity, does two terms of college Mandarin give you the confidence to walk around in China and converse with the locals without having to resort to English?  I'm planning a trip to Germany in a couple of weeks and I think my high-school German is woefully inadequate...
 
2013-10-10 02:02:41 AM  
Good luck getting a visa.
 
2013-10-10 02:06:23 AM  

DrunkenBob: Europe's more crowded.  I'd be ushered into Yankee slums and have to knife fight Muslims and Africans for a box of Mac 'n Cheese.


And your apartment would be the size of a box of Mac 'n Cheese.
 
2013-10-10 02:23:34 AM  
'Nother rant--you vill learn Cherman und you vill like it!

All languages seem to have their sucky parts--English isn't very phonetic and furriners have a hell of a time learning how to pronounce it in spite of YouTube videos.  The German reputation for being efficient certainly doesn't apply to the German language.  Hell, the German word for efficiency is "Leistungsfähigkeit" or something like that.

There's absolutely no rhyme or reason to German nouns.  There's three genders and they're literary genders that have no relationship to 'real' genders (das Weib, anybody?)  There's a few general rules to German noun genders, but as a whole, they make absolutely no sense.  And, of course, the plural forms of nouns are hopelessly irregular as well.  Verbs can be irregular in several different ways; there's four cases (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative) and it's damned confusing trying to figure out the proper case with prepositions.

Then there's the Sharp 'S'--this silly thing: ß  It's just a pointless typographical symbol from the 18th and 19th century that stood for a double-S when printers still used the Latin long 'S' for no particular reason other than they're anal-retentive obscurantists.  English during the period did this as well; that's why the original version of the Constitution has the word "Congreſs".  They started using the 'ß' when German was written in the indecipherable Gothic Fraktur script and it carried over when the Krauts switched to the Latin alphabet.  Bizarrely, it's not a simple matter of using 'ß' every time there's a 'ss'--there's a whole bunch of silly rules dictating when you use a 'ß' and when you use a 'ss'.  Worse yet, there's different rules for 'ß' depending on whether you're in Germany or Austria.  So much for the Germans being logical, efficient rationalists...
 
2013-10-10 02:36:29 AM  
Well, anyways, I'm hoping to quit wasting my time on Fark for the last time.  Unfortunately, posting on Fark is a stupid habit like smoking cigarettes or whacking off to midget scuba porn.  I have an epic time-travel book to finish--I'm currently hung up on 400 pages--and I should post my random rants exclusively on my Facebook fan page where I actually get feedback.

So...

good bye
Auf Wiedersehen
au revoir
До Свиданя
farewell
 
2013-10-10 02:41:49 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Right there with you:

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There are an overabundance of pinks in your basket. Didn't your parents teach you that you must separate your whites from your reds?!

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You will not have a decent place in the post-Apocalyptic world if you can't keep your white undershirts the proper color.
 
2013-10-10 03:22:01 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Australia for me. If Mad Max times are coming, I'm going to do them properly.


The cut of your jib,
 
2013-10-10 03:41:18 AM  
Sounds like subby/author has never been to the US. Or just sucks at life in the US
 
2013-10-10 03:42:22 AM  
Also, what's youth unemployment at in Europe? 50% in some places? Ya, I'll be right there guys
 
2013-10-10 03:57:57 AM  

Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.


Thanks! That's a benefit of living in Europe they left out, much less of the gun madness that makes Europe a much safer place.
 
2013-10-10 04:13:55 AM  
Money.
 
2013-10-10 04:46:55 AM  
How many hogsheads per furlong?
 
2013-10-10 05:01:57 AM  
Working on moving back home to the U.S. from UK next year, hopefully there will still be openings with the gangs!
www.madmaxmovies.com
 
2013-10-10 05:06:09 AM  
I would love to return to Germany. I would go back in a heartbeat and take a crash course to re-learn the language (getting a bit of a head start with Rammstein lyrics).

Unfortunately, they have no reason to let me in :(
 
2013-10-10 05:17:39 AM  
It the shiat hit the fan, my wife has UK citizenship and I already have indefinite leave to remain there. So I'm waiting for the shiat to hit the fan so badly that I'd have to make the move
 
2013-10-10 05:22:07 AM  
Also, I do love England, not leaving because it's horrible, I just miss my home more...but:

1. TV license. Everyone has to have one, they come knock on your door with this little device that shows you have a tv/computer capable of watching tv online and you get fined if you dont have one. Its 10 £ a month.
2. basic medical visits are "free" but you pay for prescriptions, and dental work is NOT free. You pay one of 3 rates, and they wont really do anything for you until your teeth are hurting. You can get private dental insurance, but it's costly like in the U.S.
3. Forget privacy, I have gotten used to hearing my neighbors soap operas on both sides (and I live in a brick house) I miss having a home where my walls aren't touching anyone elses walls! Also sometimes when out in a public place, you get to share a table with strangers if it's busy, not a big deal, but again goodbye private conversation!
4. You pretty much pay to park anywhere and everywhere. We have to pay to have a permit to park in the street in front of our own house.
5. Everyone in the Eu seems to be spilling into this area (London) so hard to find work, hospitals are overcrowded, as are schools. Seems to be only getting worse.

That being said, one place isn't better or worse than the other, just what one prefers I guess.  I miss open spaces and quiet. Also if the world is going to Mad Max, I want to be in a country with guns.
/ also marrying a foreigner is NOT an automatic in...I've been dealing with immigration here the last 5 years, so much headache/ money!!
 
2013-10-10 05:29:58 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... what kind of moron doesn't know that "American" cheese is just processed cheddar, ....


I assume that would be the kind of moron who understands that modern American cheese might violate laws if it was labeled as cheese and must be labeled as "processed cheese", "cheese product", or similar-e.g., "cheese food". Whereas you seem to be the kind of moron that thinks American cheese still contains anything that would otherwise be identified as cheese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
 
2013-10-10 05:34:27 AM  
Heh...to paraphrase P.J.O'Rourke:

"Europe?  Europe isn't big enough to park all our cars, let alone live there."
 
2013-10-10 05:39:43 AM  

RightToWork: Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.


And 24-hour Wal-Marts, and things open on Sundays, and shooting ranges, and airports everywhere, and Cessnas, and Diamonds, and cheap big Honda bikes, and, and and. Merkins, just pretty please learn to make bread that actually tastes like bread and isn't a soggy piece of plasterboard (c'mon, you already learned beer) and we're good. I live in Germany, having a great time here, the only place I would swap it for at a moment's notice is big ol' Texas. Oh, and btw, good luck with 3-week waiting times for your already-paid-for health care - you pay it out of your own payroll, it ain't subsidized any more, not here in Düütschland, nein mein Herr!
 
2013-10-10 06:00:25 AM  

illannoyin: Really? Cheese? Ok you asked for it.

Behold, the cheese aisle at Woodman's...

Three refrigerator cases. First, the small one on the left.



Then, two more on the right. The cheese section ends at the second refrigerator case where the people are standing. The second case on the left is butter.



/Yes, they have Lurpak and Kerry Gold butter in addition to every conceivable variety of cheese
//What now biatches?


I work in the dairy department of a Kroger in Indiana that has 24 feet of butter shelf and we have Kerry Gold butter in 8 oz bars. It isn't a hot seller.
 
2013-10-10 06:08:07 AM  
My dad lived and worked in Europe from 1942 to 1945. They only want us when they need us.
He said the women would just throw themselves at him and his buddies.
 
2013-10-10 06:14:07 AM  

OgreMagi: The point about cheese used to be true, but now even our local supermarkets are carrying a wide selection of cheeses and will soon catch up with Europe and there are plenty of smaller shops that indulge in my cheese needs.

Soccer/football?  Who farking cares?  Both versions are boring.  Maybe I should point out how your soccer hooligans are a much bigger problem than our football thugs.

Public transporation?  I bet it's great only in the denser cities, just like here in the USA.  I'll concede that the public transportation in Budapest beat the hell out of San Francisco.

Chocolate?  I can get quality chocolate here, too.  Not all Americans think Hershey's makes chocolate.



1. So the most popular and widespread sport in the world is intrinsically boring then?

2. You'd be wrong there too. You try to get from any 2 random places in the US via public transport and you'll die of exposure/starvation/old age before it happens. Try that in europe and you'll get to where you want to go 9 times out of 10 with no problems.

3. Doesn't even make sense. Hershey's does taste like puke, and I'm assuming you meant not all Americans think the only chocolate is Hershey's. But seriously, the good chocolate comes from europe even when you include non-Hershey US brands.
 
2013-10-10 06:19:37 AM  
Americans are really arrogant enough to think we'd have them? LOL!
 
2013-10-10 06:35:39 AM  
mekki
P.S. We do have castles here. Just not ancient ones.


What a nice list of country houses!
 
2013-10-10 06:57:34 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Also, what's youth unemployment at in Europe? 50% in some places? Ya, I'll be right there guys


In some places (read: Greece). Unemployment here (Norway) is about 2.5% last I checked. It's the job-killing socialism what does it.
 
2013-10-10 07:03:37 AM  
illannoyin

Really? Cheese? Ok you asked for it.

Behold, the cheese aisle at Woodman's...


It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it doesn't look like there's any fresh cheese. :(
I don't like the taste of that sealed stuff with a best before date a couple of months in the future and that feels so rubber/plastic-like that it squeaks between your teeth.
I prefer something like this:
www.edeka-matzen.de
 
2013-10-10 07:12:16 AM  

littlemissmeowlissa: 1. TV license. Everyone has to have one, they come knock on your door with this little device that shows you have a tv/computer capable of watching tv online and you get fined if you dont have one. Its 10 £ a month.


They don't have any such device and if you don't watch live TV there is no requirement on you to have a TV licence. That being said, it really is an odd and fairly costly system.

2. basic medical visits are "free" but you pay for prescriptions, and dental work is NOT free. You pay one of 3 rates, and they wont really do anything for you until your teeth are hurting. You can get private dental insurance, but it's costly like in the U.S.

You have a terrible dentist, get a new one! My private dental insurance is £23 per month. Also, no copay, prescriptions are about $11, OTC drugs are a tiny fraction of the price and have actual drugs in them. My wife had two full surface fills, privately, for £210. Good luck getting that work done with change from a grand in the States (she had already been to see the dentist there and had decided to hold off until she was here).

3. Forget privacy, I have gotten used to hearing my neighbors soap operas on both sides (and I live in a brick house) I miss having a home where my walls aren't touching anyone elses walls! Also sometimes when out in a public place, you get to share a table with strangers if it's busy, not a big deal, but again goodbye private conversation!

That's certainly true if you live in a terraced house, but let's not forget that there are detached houses in England, too, and that were you to live in New York, for example, you'd be unlikely to own all your walls. Where do you go where you have to share tables? Wagamama?

4. You pretty much pay to park anywhere and everywhere. We have to pay to have a permit to park in the street in front of our own house.


Definitely.

5. Everyone in the Eu seems to be spilling into this area (London) so hard to find work, hospitals are overcrowded, as are schools. Seems to be only getting worse.

Everyone wants to live in London, including 150,000 Americans. Which says something for London, I think!
 
2013-10-10 07:23:33 AM  

ZeroPly: Felgraf: 2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.

Uhh... unless you just invented an antigravity device, a physics PhD is about as useful as an A+ certification these days. Whatever you do, don't become an adjunct professor. A data entry clerk working through a temp agency gets treated better.


Well, my physics research is in nanophysics/nanotech, and we're working on a method to allow optically-driven, controlled self-assembly of nanoparticles. Which would, in theory, open up a new branch of photochemistry. (If I can get the farkING THING TO WORK ARRRGGGGHHHH)
 
2013-10-10 07:42:55 AM  
safetycap:
There are an overabundance of pinks in your basket. Didn't your parents teach you that you must separate your whites from your reds?!

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You will not have a decent place in the post-Apocalyptic world if you can't keep your white undershirts the proper color.


I have [s]indigenous ammo bearers[/s] kids, which accounts for some of the colors.  Also, I've yet to meet the person IRL who critiised my clothing choices when faced with the muzzle of a real, live loaded GPMG.
 
2013-10-10 07:53:59 AM  
Germany was great, I loved it there. Sure I'd go back but not to run away from the US.
 
2013-10-10 07:54:01 AM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: safetycap:
There are an overabundance of pinks in your basket. Didn't your parents teach you that you must separate your whites from your reds?!

[img.fark.net image 467x377]

You will not have a decent place in the post-Apocalyptic world if you can't keep your white undershirts the proper color.

I have [s]indigenous ammo bearers[/s] kids, which accounts for some of the colors.  Also, I've yet to meet the person IRL who critiised my clothing choices when faced with the muzzle of a real, live loaded GPMG.


How many people exactly have you pointed a loaded weapon at? You're only supposed to do that if you are just about to kill them.
 
2013-10-10 08:12:50 AM  
Last time my family was in Europe, they were murdered. The one relative who survived was exiled to Siberia, spent ten years there, was sentenced to death, escaped, and stowed away on the first ship he found.

Yay! Go Europe!
 
2013-10-10 08:31:19 AM  
i do plan on leaving after I've bilked the gubmint out of every last cent I can.
I just don't want to stay in a place I used to love
 and watch it get kicked to death by idiot voters and their smiling politicians
everyone seems so proud of the failures
 
2013-10-10 08:36:53 AM  
Healthcare, life expectancy, paid vacation, cheese, Republicans - these are the reasons I wouldn't move to the US.
 
2013-10-10 08:43:59 AM  

Goodpancakes: Because its hard to get a visa that allows you to work there. I am trying though!


I feel your pain, been trying to move to france for a 6 to 12 month contract job for my company. Been doing all the paperwork for the past 6 months, now waiting on a letter saying I can make an appointment at the consulate to appear in person to get my long term work visa.
 
2013-10-10 08:44:26 AM  
Damn that was stupid.
 
2013-10-10 09:11:52 AM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

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same here!

www.bloggang.com

http://www.heinis.com/

Just a note, if you ever do go there, do not sample every single cheese (and yes, you can do that) unless you have a powerful laxative on hand...I speak from experience

/who needs Europe when you have the Amish?
 
2013-10-10 09:19:08 AM  
We emigrated from England to the US because we believed we could have a better life here.

This is not going in a 'Oh but we were so screwed' direction.

Everything's a tradeoff. It genuinely is. Yes, I'm disgusted that after having to fight for Citizenship here (and achieving it), that the Government is essentially devouring itself. As someone from Europe, I'm happy to point out that the US is the last holdout to not have Healthcare for its Citizens.

My family saw (and continue to see) America as a place where you can do pretty much what you want, when you want to. Europe has greatly improved in this since the fall of Communism, but to put it bluntly, you don't really get true European equivalents to say, Steve McQueen or Paul Neumann. It was seen as the Land of the Free, which makes the next thing I have to type even harder.

Nobody fights for the right to be ignorant harder than people I've seen here. This is universal across the globe to a certain degree. This whole thread has been filled with a *lot* of wharrrgarble How dare you criticize my Country USA USA USA.

One of the best qualities I found here as well was when something goes wrong, own it. Fix it. Here's your second chance. Your fifth. Your eightieth. I can't believe I'm seeing huge arguments about cheese. Jeremy Clarkson, when visiting the States said, 'Why are they all fixated on cheese with everything?'

America is still seen as the place where you can do it, and do it freely. It sucks that a lot of really sociopathic people have taken this to heart, and now we're fighting one hell of an uphill battle with companies who are getting insane breaks furthered by Politicians who put power ahead of kids dying of Cancer. Instead of having Roosevelt and Eisenhower champion and expand the middle class, we've got drones and surveillance on top of temper-tantrum derp in the House. What really concerns me is that the House seems quite OK to try to shift the balance of power by ignoring Due Process. If there's anything that's Unamerican, that's it, right there.

As an American, I own my problems. I see the chance for greatness, and I do my best to try and make life the best it possibly can be. I'm aware that Ignorance Loves Company, and do my best not to fall into the echo chamber. A strong, healthy populous tends to make for a strong, healthy country. Everyone else gets this, which is the rest of the world has nationalized healthcare and invests in education.

Instead of getting your panties in a bunch when someone points something out that might actually hit home, you should be adult enough to divorce yourself from taking things personally. I expected to come in here and see great examples of what we can bring to the table. Instead it's all been a lot of hurr-durr exceptionalism. Great walls of Cheese.

If I didn't believe in it, I could leave. Dual Citizenship, all that, etc. etc. I think that this place can be the best place on Earth. What you've decided to do for the past 20 years with Education, Government, Wars, and now the brutal retardation from the House has been incredibly disappointing because we can be so much better.

And we have. I believe we will, again. Trying to drive with the handbrake on and yelling at the furiners while you're a victim of your own creation just makes you look silly.
 
2013-10-10 09:25:46 AM  

qualtrough: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Thanks! That's a benefit of living in Europe they left out, much less of the gun madness that makes Europe a much safer place.


Exactly. One of the biggest draws of Europe is getting away from the stubborn gun owners.
 
2013-10-10 09:29:10 AM  
Ahh Europe, beacon of stability.  How many of those governments are more than 100 years old?

Then again, they've had no (major) wars in the last 60-70 years, so I guess there's that.
 
2013-10-10 09:32:28 AM  

Fromageball: qualtrough: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Thanks! That's a benefit of living in Europe they left out, much less of the gun madness that makes Europe a much safer place.

Exactly. One of the biggest draws of Europe is getting away from the stubborn gun owners.


You do realize that there are stubborn gun owners in Europe, too, right?
 
2013-10-10 09:33:04 AM  
What are you waiting for?

Assurance that I'll be allowed to stay longer than 6 months.
 
2013-10-10 09:35:07 AM  

jshine: How many of those governments are more than 100 years old?


Lots of them and let's not forget that the American Civil War was only 150 years ago.
 
2013-10-10 09:36:06 AM  
Well this settles it, I'm staying if most of Fark is leaving.
 
2013-10-10 09:38:16 AM  
/The Eurovision song contest is NOT a reason to emigrate to "Europe", unless you have some mad passion for cheesy kitsch and semi corrupt voting patterns.

Also "Europe" is not one place, it's lots of places, judge each one on it's own merits. OK yes, there are some similarities - higher taxes etc and I get the impression some parts of northern Europe are ahead on education but we've plenty of ignorant 'tards here too and I've met, and worked with, pathetically ineducated people from southern Spain and Portugal.
Anyway "we" are no way a homogenous whole, rather a collection of diverse countries with a few things in common: the EU flag on things including our common format driving licences and passports*, the metric system** and many fewer big petrol V8s.

The HuffPost rivals the Daily Fail for simple minded stupidity.

/*Standards vary massively - they just all look the same.
//**Mostly
 
2013-10-10 09:45:36 AM  

ethics-gradient: The HuffPost rivals the Daily Fail for simple minded stupidity.


Hence its innumerable greenlights on Fark :(
 
2013-10-10 09:46:30 AM  

Mister Peejay: FunkOut:
Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.

Finland has the world's highest number of metal bands per capita, by a very large margin.

Finland also has the world's highest number of crazy rally drivers.

Coincidence?  No.

/to finish first you must first be Finnish


iat's all about the sisu.

/lived in helsinki as a kid
 
2013-10-10 09:50:34 AM  

FarkinNortherner: jshine: How many of those governments are more than 100 years old?

Lots of them and let's not forget that the American Civil War was only 150 years ago.


England comes to mind as a "definite", and France, maybe -- depending on how you count (it was a German vassal state for a little while).  Spain, Italy & Germany's governments are certainly are very young, nor is anything to the East of Germany more than a few decades old.  I guess I don't know much about Scandinavia.

Except in the Confederate states, the American government is actually relatively old (224 years under the current Constitution).
 
2013-10-10 10:00:03 AM  
I'd be sorry to see Ringshadow go. Other than that?

theelephantgun.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-10 10:09:41 AM  

FunkOut: I heard they were going to build a fence along the Canadian border consisting of metal pillars placed just far enough apart that only skinny people can get through. The catch is that the skinny Americans who get through will freeze to death due to lack of body fat.


Bonus: wait a few million years and there'll be a neat line of fossil fuels along the fence area.
 
2013-10-10 10:11:25 AM  

jshine: FarkinNortherner: jshine: How many of those governments are more than 100 years old?

Lots of them and let's not forget that the American Civil War was only 150 years ago.

England comes to mind as a "definite", and France, maybe -- depending on how you count (it was a German vassal state for a little while).  Spain, Italy & Germany's governments are certainly are very young, nor is anything to the East of Germany more than a few decades old.  I guess I don't know much about Scandinavia.

Except in the Confederate states, the American government is actually relatively old (224 years under the current Constitution).


Depends on how you count it - the current state of Norway goes back either to 1905 or 1814 (got its constitution in 1814, but became fully independent in 1905) but the Norwegian kingdom has existed since, oh, 875 or so. Sweden is about the same age, and Denmark goes back to Gorm the Old, and before him, right straight back to the god Heimdall, so...
 
2013-10-10 10:16:27 AM  

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HELLO Russia!!!!!

 
2013-10-10 10:20:31 AM  

HipsterTrash: noitsnot: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x


HELLO Russia!!!!!


damn right. I'd give up my guns for that.,
 
2013-10-10 10:40:42 AM  

FlashHarry: Mister Peejay: FunkOut:
Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.

Finland has the world's highest number of metal bands per capita, by a very large margin.

Finland also has the world's highest number of crazy rally drivers.

Coincidence?  No.

/to finish first you must first be Finnish

iat's all about the sisu.

/lived in helsinki as a kid


Friend here in Norway says her mother told her to watch out for Finns - "They carry knives..."
 
2013-10-10 11:07:09 AM  

Psycat: Yes, western Europeans speak excellent English.  But that's because an overwhelming amount of their media comes from America--and usually it's just sub-titled so they're hearing English all the time and getting an immediate text translation.  I'll bet far more Germans watch movies from Hollywood than Americans watch movies from Babelsberg.


I've spent a bit of time (just over 20 years) in Germany, Denmark and Spain. I wouldn't say the amount of US media is "overwhelming", though it's a pretty good portion. Most programs tend to be dubbed, not subtitled.
As for European programs not making it to the US market, I'd say a large number of tv viewers here in the states have no interest in dubbed or subtitled shows or movies. A cynic might say that they wouldn't work here since they usually don't contain huge explosions and laugh tracks.


Not to mention the Marshall Plan that followed the SECOND time we bailed Europe out of a world war--that's why they get English all through their school years.  I heard some Belgians--typical Europeans who claim to speak a dozen languages--try to speak Spanish, and their Spanish somehow managed to be even worse than my Spanish.  At least the people in Iceland and Hungary realize that almost nobody outside of their culture besides tiny-dicked linguists are going to learn their overly-difficult languages and learn English instead.  Travel a bit, and you'll realize that English is the *ahem* lingua franca of the world and will probably be that way until Esperanto catches on.

Kinda hard to gauge how many people speak how many languages. I wouldn't have graduated high school (in Germany) without being somewhat fluent in English and French, but my French skills slowly went down the drain since I rarely used it after graduation, except on my through travels from Spain to Germany. It also depends on your location. I knew a lot of folks in various Euro countries who spoke decent German or French in addition to English, but then again, if you don't use it and don't travel out of your comfort zone, it'll just go away.

If anything, American culture is bulldozing the hell out of European culture--go to any European city, and most of the hip, new businesses have English names (Bulldog Coffeeshop in Amsterdam, the Lunch Bunny restaurant in the City 2 shopping mall in Brussels, Starbucks and McDonald's with Cyrillic signs in Moscow, etc.)  Actually, I'm kinda saddened by how so many Europeans are trying very, very hard to act American.  Not to mention the many people in Russia who would kill to emigrate to America.

Let me counter with the "Heidelberg Cafe" "Le Petit Bistro" or "Bella Cucina"

...Europe is just as screwed up as America or Asia or Africa, etc...

No argument there.
 
2013-10-10 11:26:08 AM  
My $0.02 ... adjusted for inflation ...

I've been to several countries in Europe, and while the socioeconomic differences are quite prevalent between European countries and America, I can sum my experience fairly quickly.

European men:  "Americans are so stupid, and here's why ... blah, blah, blah ..."  After the machismo, braggadocio and drinking, when they go on and on about how their country is so much better than America, they eventually pass out, drunk on their own superiority.

European women:  "Please take me with you."

U.K., Spain, France, Belgium, Germany, France, Italy, Sweden ... no matter where I went, it all boiled down to this.
 
2013-10-10 11:31:17 AM  
Dr. Kefarkian: 
European men:  "Americans are so stupid, and here's why ... blah, blah, blah ..."  
European women:  "Please take me with you."



I chortled.
 
2013-10-10 11:36:39 AM  

vincentfox: Easy. Married an Italian who has US citizenship, myself and children are entitled to EU passports and citizenship. Kids will have many more choices for education than I did.


Easier than starting from scratch with no family ties, but not that easy. You can move to Italy as your wife's spouse, fulfil the residency requirements, and eventually naturalise as an Italian citizen, but defining that as being 'entitled' to an EU passport is a stretch but if your wife gained her US citizenship prior to 1992 your kids have no heritability of citizenship.
 
2013-10-10 11:39:05 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: European men: "Americans are so stupid, and here's why ... blah, blah, blah ..." After the machismo, braggadocio and drinking, when they go on and on about how their country is so much better than America, they eventually pass out, drunk on their own superiority.

European women: "Please take me with you."


My experience is the exact mirror of that in the States. Since I successfully snapped up an American girl and brought her back to England, I think I win.
 
2013-10-10 11:53:31 AM  

FarkinNortherner: My experience is the exact mirror of that in the States. Since I successfully snapped up an American girl and brought her back to England, I think I win.


You see the problem there?  Have fun with the inevitable divorce.
 
2013-10-10 11:54:52 AM  

Dr. Kefarkian: FarkinNortherner: My experience is the exact mirror of that in the States. Since I successfully snapped up an American girl and brought her back to England, I think I win.

You see the problem there?  Have fun with the inevitable divorce.


this is why I only go for european women,.
 
2013-10-10 12:02:13 PM  
The article fails to mentioning bicycling. Bicycling is an acceptable form of transportation over there, and bicycles outnumber cars in some places. Over here, we take pride in being fat and lazy. We can't sneeze without hopping in a car first and yelling at cyclists for slowing us down.

/wouldn't mind moving to the Netherlands some day.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:55 PM  

fusillade762: That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


If you have a retirement income of ~$1000/mo or better nearly a dozen Central and South American countries from Mexico to Chile will welcome you with open arms...and they don't give a shiat if you speak Spanish.
 
2013-10-10 12:56:00 PM  

akula: I note they left out the regularly scheduled ethnic cleansing they get over in Euroland. Every 50 years seems to be the cycle.


Also, how many people over there are technically subjects and not citizens.
 
2013-10-10 01:03:25 PM  

BgJonson79: Also, how many people over there are technically subjects and not citizens.


It's bizarre that this distinction, effectively meaningless when comparing republics with constitutional monarchies, still pervades the American psyche.
 
2013-10-10 01:12:17 PM  

FarkinNortherner: BgJonson79: Also, how many people over there are technically subjects and not citizens.

It's bizarre that this distinction, effectively meaningless when comparing republics with constitutional monarchies, still pervades the American psyche.


Why is it meaningless?  If a sovereign is head-of-state, what IS the correct term to use for someone who's from that country?
 
2013-10-10 01:20:39 PM  

BgJonson79: Why is it meaningless? If a sovereign is head-of-state, what IS the correct term to use for someone who's from that country?


Generally it's citizen, given the consitutional nature of the European monarchies. The monarchy of the United Kingdom, for example, has almost no subjects (a few very old people in the colonies still have that status.)
 
2013-10-10 01:27:35 PM  

FarkinNortherner: BgJonson79: Why is it meaningless? If a sovereign is head-of-state, what IS the correct term to use for someone who's from that country?

Generally it's citizen, given the consitutional nature of the European monarchies. The monarchy of the United Kingdom, for example, has almost no subjects (a few very old people in the colonies still have that status.)


So you disagree with this, then?
 
2013-10-10 01:31:01 PM  
You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.

Like Europe better? Fine, go live in Europe. We don't want you. We don't want people that aren't willing to help us fix the shiat we're in, and we REALLY don't want people that don't get that America isn't Europe, and isn't supposed to be Europe, and so not everyone here wants America to adopt all the policies and attitudes of Europeans.

We LIKE our food, our guns, our cars, our space, and our way of life. Be condescending about that all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that we really don't want that to change.

There're a lot of great things we can, and SHOULD, be doing to bring back manufacturing and better health care and all that. But make no mistake, America is not Europe, or Canada, and shouldn't be.
 
2013-10-10 01:48:23 PM  

Kit Fister: You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.



I did a quick search, and you are the only person in the thread to use the words "hate america", and you've done it twice.
 
2013-10-10 01:50:24 PM  

noitsnot: I did a quick search, and you are the only person in the thread to use the words "hate america", and you've done it twice.


Yep. I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country. Not my fault if people cna't be honest and have to mince words.
 
2013-10-10 01:51:33 PM  

noitsnot: Kit Fister: You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.


I did a quick search, and you are the only person in the thread to use the words "hate america", and you've done it twice.


OK, one guy said "a lot to hate, a lot to love".  I think that's a wash.

It's still the case that you're getting in a lather and putting words into other people's mouths.  Mostly people have just been saying how much they enjoyed visiting European countries.

P.S. - Guns!
 
2013-10-10 01:54:18 PM  

BgJonson79: So you disagree with this, then?


If the author is asserting that Australians are still British subjects, he is mistaken. The British Nationality Act 1981 applies.
 
2013-10-10 01:57:18 PM  

Psycat: Good that they have at least one 'official' language/dialect.  I remember reading that 30s Hollywood actress Anna May Wong visited China once on a famous tour and actually needed a translator because she spoke a different dialect.  Just out of curiosity, does two terms of college Mandarin give you the confidence to walk around in China and converse with the locals without having to resort to English?  I'm planning a trip to Germany in a couple of weeks and I think my high-school German is woefully inadequate...


Pft hell no. Admittedly I've probably forgotten most of it (and I'm kind of ashamed about it) but after my last term I could read and write five hundred characters or so. My pronunciation was still shiat because I wasn't even trying to do the tones associated with the words. In Mandarin if you change the tone of voice you say a word, you change the entire meaning of the word. 'Ma' can mean horse, scold, or indeed, question mark. You speak punctuation in Mandarin.

Two terms of Mandarin was just enough to watch movies with Mandarin subtitles and realize the subtitles had nothing to do with the movie.
 
2013-10-10 01:57:57 PM  

Kit Fister: noitsnot: I did a quick search, and you are the only person in the thread to use the words "hate america", and you've done it twice.

Yep. I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country. Not my fault if people cna't be honest and have to mince words.



Hmmn.  I guess if you already know what everybody thinks, you don't even need the internet connection.  You could cancel that and save some money.
 
2013-10-10 01:58:13 PM  

Kit Fister: I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country.


Having a preference for temporary or permanent residence elsewhere is not even close to hating one's own country. Does the person who moves to New York, because it furthers his or her career or because he or she prefers to live in the big city, hate Idaho (or wherever)?
 
2013-10-10 02:00:47 PM  
noitsnot: 
P.S. - Guns!

Which, interestingly, is what a lot of guys from Europe put on their list of things to do while on vacation in the States...  Find a gun shop with a range that will let you shoot a variety of guns.
 
2013-10-10 02:00:54 PM  

FarkinNortherner: Kit Fister: I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country.

Having a preference for temporary or permanent residence elsewhere is not even close to hating one's own country. Does the person who moves to New York, because it furthers his or her career or because he or she prefers to live in the big city, hate Idaho (or wherever)?


Could it be considered a cop-out to not stay and make things "better?"
 
2013-10-10 02:07:39 PM  

FarkinNortherner: Kit Fister: I have used those words because everyone else is all about moving but won't come out and say they just hate their country.

Having a preference for temporary or permanent residence elsewhere is not even close to hating one's own country. Does the person who moves to New York, because it furthers his or her career or because he or she prefers to live in the big city, hate Idaho (or wherever)?


I'd guess if you didn't hate where you were at, you wouldn't move. Most people don't move to somewhere they prefer when they love where they are.
 
2013-10-10 02:10:48 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: noitsnot: 
P.S. - Guns!

Which, interestingly, is what a lot of guys from Europe put on their list of things to do while on vacation in the States...  Find a gun shop with a range that will let you shoot a variety of guns.



It's fun, I agree.  It's not anything to sink thousands of dollars into, for things that you rarely ever use.  Same reason people buy boats, and then after a couple years go "What was I thinking?" and sell them.
 
2013-10-10 02:15:04 PM  

noitsnot: UtileDysfunktion: noitsnot: 
P.S. - Guns!

Which, interestingly, is what a lot of guys from Europe put on their list of things to do while on vacation in the States...  Find a gun shop with a range that will let you shoot a variety of guns.


It's fun, I agree.  It's not anything to sink thousands of dollars into, for things that you rarely ever use.  Same reason people buy boats, and then after a couple years go "What was I thinking?" and sell them.


Or, you know, they're like me and get into shooting competitions, hunting, and other activities and firearms are well used.

/passed 500,000 rounds fired in september.
 
2013-10-10 02:58:20 PM  
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Mad Max Times...

//California Love
 
2013-10-10 03:33:53 PM  

Mister Peejay: I was unaware that relocating to a different country was just as easy as moving to another state in the US, with none of those pesky immigration laws.

/although as I understand it, it's fairly easy for anybody with significant German ancestry to go back


In many places, all you really need is a college degree and enough cash to buy a house.

Which pretty much rules out most of Fark.
 
2013-10-10 04:05:05 PM  
Ugh.

1. I have healthcare so, meh. I guess others could use it but it's up to the government to stop being idiots to decide what happens there.
2. I get plenty of good cheese around here. And the local (Tillamook) is pretty tasty.
3. Public transport here is decent. I drive to/from work everyday though as due to my position I often stay late at work or show up at odd times. So public transit is irrelevant to my life.
4. Don't care.
5. Take care of yourself and you'll like live longer.
6. First, many American's don't care about soccer so this stat is just silly. Second, there are around 733 million people in Europe so 150 million viewers equates to about 20% of the population. 106 million viewers equates to (according to at least one report) over 46% of US households at least tuned in to the Superbowl. Pretty obvious which sport most Americans care about.
7. I get 5 weeks paid vacation a year as well as holidays.
8. Dumb. There's a lot of chocolate in the US that is NOT made by Hershey.
9. I'll give you this one, American obsession with this crap is ridiculous.
10. I've used both systems of measurement, not that hard to learn...
11. Lots of people around the globe have accents. Some sound great, others sound lame. So what again?
12. I see plenty of "fuel efficient" cars around here and I've heard way more bad talking of SUVs than the other way around.
13. Yes, America has dumb puritanical crud that we still have to deal with.
14. Car races don't excite me, who cares?
15. Castles? Really? Give me a break. Sure they can be neat but am I to believe that all Europeans spend their time in castles or in pursuit of having one?
16. XL sweatpants would look funny on me as they are way too big. However, so what if I want to go buy Fruit Loops at 3am? I relax when I need though and hurry when I have to. Another dumb point.

Having been to Europe, Eastern Europe, South America, Asia, Mexico, Canada, and a few places in the South Pacific, everywhere has some neat stuff to see. Each place has it's unique cultural aspects and pros and cons. If you love Europe so much then move to Europe, why would anyone care? Seems like a lot of work to convince other people that the author wants to be European. Good luck though, by the look of it the author doesn't have any marketable skills that they need so I doubt they're just going to open up the doors.
 
2013-10-10 04:22:21 PM  

Kit Fister: You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.

Like Europe better? Fine, go live in Europe. We don't want you. We don't want people that aren't willing to help us fix the shiat we're in, and we REALLY don't want people that don't get that America isn't Europe, and isn't supposed to be Europe, and so not everyone here wants America to adopt all the policies and attitudes of Europeans.

We LIKE our food, our guns, our cars, our space, and our way of life. Be condescending about that all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that we really don't want that to change.

There're a lot of great things we can, and SHOULD, be doing to bring back manufacturing and better health care and all that. But make no mistake, America is not Europe, or Canada, and shouldn't be.


You don't speak for Americans, in general or to any other extent. You speak solely for yourself, despite your apparent belief to the contrary.
 
2013-10-10 05:15:03 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.

I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?


Were you actively masturbating while you typed that?
 
2013-10-10 05:52:26 PM  

amoral: The_Original_Roxtar: demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.

I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?

Were you actively masturbating while you typed that?



It's such a ludicrous fantasy scenario.  If you really wanted to make your house safer from invasion, you would set up multiple layers of fortification, with surveillance and alarms in the outer forts, and an escape route from the inner fort.

So, a two story house with a locked door to the upstairs, and a locked bedroom door, and alarm systems to detect intruders in the lower level and wake you up, and IR video to observe them.  A trap door into the attic and out onto the roof, and rope ladders to get down.  And sure, weapons of you want them.  And call the cops while you're at it.  And a PA system to order them out of the house. Etc.

But the idea that keeping a loaded pistol in the nightstand is great home defense?  And you're gonna just pop up out of a deep sleep, identify a threat and shoot it?  Sounds stupid to me.  Have fun patching the holes in your walls when your kids play with the guns while you aren't home.
 
2013-10-10 06:03:29 PM  

noitsnot: It's such a ludicrous fantasy scenario. If you really wanted to make your house safer from invasion, you would set up multiple layers of fortification, with surveillance and alarms in the outer forts, and an escape route from the inner fort.


My biggest concern with that (outwardly pretty smart) plan is that by far the best situation in a fire is to have protected stairs easily accessible from every bedroom and leading straight to the front door. I suppose a separate route of egress would be feasible, but would tend to use a lot of floor area in your home. Otherwise I agree, successfully arming yourself, and responding, in the few seconds it takes to get from the front door to the bedroom, starting from sleep, has always seemed implausible to me.

/way o/t, but this thread was dead anyway
 
2013-10-10 06:24:59 PM  

vincentfox: Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I would love to get a job and move to the UK. Unfortunately it's very difficult unless you are a citizen of an EU country.

Easy.  Married an Italian who has US citizenship, myself and children are entitled to EU passports and citizenship.  Kids will have many more choices for education than I did.


I'm not willing to get married to a UK citizen just to have status that allows me to live there.
 
2013-10-10 06:30:11 PM  

Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I'm not willing to get married to a UK citizen just to have status that allows me to live there.


I speak for my entire nation when I say: Phew

:P
 
2013-10-10 06:31:42 PM  

FarkinNortherner: Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I'm not willing to get married to a UK citizen just to have status that allows me to live there.

I speak for my entire nation when I say: Phew

:P


I noticed several shaggable specimens the few times I have visited.
 
2013-10-10 06:33:59 PM  
My serious response, knowing at least a dozen people who've done it in Switzerland, Germany, and the UK, is that gaining permanent residency is a multiple year, multiple thousand currency unit, headache. Move to Europe temporarily if you can get a Tier 2 (or equivalent). Try to move permanently only if you really really mean it. Moving to Wherethefark North Dakota for the space, NYC for the urban excitement and/or the money, Seattle for the rain, or wherever else is better suited to your desires than wherever you are now is, for most people, a much better plan.
 
2013-10-10 06:37:46 PM  

noitsnot: I noticed several shaggable specimens the few times I have visited.


Unpossible. Fark tells me all British chicks are drunken, snaggle toothed, fatties.
 
2013-10-10 06:49:37 PM  

noitsnot: FarkinNortherner: Schrodinger's Basement Cat: I'm not willing to get married to a UK citizen just to have status that allows me to live there.

I speak for my entire nation when I say: Phew

:P

I noticed several shaggable specimens the few times I have visited.


My former boyfriend lives in the UK.  The only reason he's "former" is because we couldn't arrange it so that we lived in the same place.  We might have gotten married eventually if we could have spent enough time together to make sure we were really suited for each other.  I suppose we could have decided just roll the dice and just get married, but neither of us thought that would be a good idea.  We both see marriage as kind of a big deal.

Having said that, I've always wanted to spend some time living in the UK.  It's not because I don't like the US.  I would enjoy becoming accustomed to the culture and spending time getting to know the country in a way that is more meaningful than I would as a mere tourist.  Also, when I say I'd like to live in the UK I don't mean London.

I lived in Germany for many years as a military spouse and enjoyed it a great deal.
 
2013-10-10 07:03:40 PM  

FarkinNortherner: noitsnot: I noticed several shaggable specimens the few times I have visited.

Unpossible. Fark tells me all British chicks are drunken, snaggle toothed, fatties.


Yea, unfortunately the wife had to tag along the last time.  It did make for fun times as she earnestly tried to get the natives to explain the differences between "bottom", "fanny" and "bum" in the local parlance.

She gets kind of a Temperance Brennan thing going when she's trying to figure something out, and doesn't notice the red faces...
 
2013-10-10 11:00:34 PM  
We're waiting for things in the US to get as dismal as Europe.
Tell your boss he can cut three months of your pay in exchange for one month paid vacation, see what he says.
Tell Obama you'll give him 5 months pay a year for free healthcare, see what he says.
Ask a Swedish family how the hell they are living on $29K a year in a country where milk is $6 a gallon, see what he says.
 
2013-10-10 11:09:13 PM  

menschenfresser: Kit Fister: You know, I have to say I find this thread sickeningly hilarious. So many people who are like "I HATE AMERICA, I'M MOVING!", and yet, they never do. When called on it, they're like "I MEAN IT! I'LL MOVE!" as if this is some sort of threat.

Like Europe better? Fine, go live in Europe. We don't want you. We don't want people that aren't willing to help us fix the shiat we're in, and we REALLY don't want people that don't get that America isn't Europe, and isn't supposed to be Europe, and so not everyone here wants America to adopt all the policies and attitudes of Europeans.

We LIKE our food, our guns, our cars, our space, and our way of life. Be condescending about that all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that we really don't want that to change.

There're a lot of great things we can, and SHOULD, be doing to bring back manufacturing and better health care and all that. But make no mistake, America is not Europe, or Canada, and shouldn't be.

You don't speak for Americans, in general or to any other extent. You speak solely for yourself, despite your apparent belief to the contrary.


Actually, I speak for the vast majority of Americans I shared this link with, despite your desperate desire otherwise.
 
2013-10-10 11:10:25 PM  

noitsnot: FarkinNortherner: noitsnot: I noticed several shaggable specimens the few times I have visited.

Unpossible. Fark tells me all British chicks are drunken, snaggle toothed, fatties.

Yea, unfortunately the wife had to tag along the last time.  It did make for fun times as she earnestly tried to get the natives to explain the differences between "bottom", "fanny" and "bum" in the local parlance.

She gets kind of a Temperance Brennan thing going when she's trying to figure something out, and doesn't notice the red faces...


That's kinda hot.
 
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