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2013-10-09 09:49:56 PM

menschenfresser: As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while.


The need for 'proof' is a little overblown. It's not particularly hard for a company to sponsor a Tier 2 applicant, as, for example, having experience in the US market can be your defining skill. Unfortunately Tier 2 is no longer a path to residency, so you will ultimately have to go home unless you can either continue with your employer or transfer to another Tier 2 sponsor. Fairly dismal long-term situation unless you marry a local, but very feasible for a stay of a few years.
 
2013-10-09 09:51:10 PM

rolladuck: frestcrallen: Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.

It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.

I can imagine that in about two or three generations, everyone will learn one language from interactions with their family, and probably carry some sort of computer around that's able to translate near-real time whatever people around them say, or whatever is in their field of vision.
Our children will probably be the last generation of people in the developed world that has any practical reason to learn more than one language.
Then again, I'm making predictions that will take 50 years or more to manifest, so It's pretty safe ground for me, personally.


The rolling 50 year mark.

/Why, just the other day, they broke even on fus [carrier_lost+++ATH0+++]
 
2013-10-09 09:51:34 PM
th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-09 09:52:05 PM
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-09 09:52:13 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.


Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.
 
2013-10-09 09:53:59 PM

noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


I have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, emergency preparedness plan and more...and I live in the city now.

But I used to live on a 20 acre farm a half hour away from civilization. People out there develop a different sense of self sufficiency. We had guns and a whole list of things that you only begun to allude to.

I actually see more of a need to have a gun in the city than the country. But it's a foreign, scary concept to city people (except the city gang bangers and other criminals, they're really comfortable with it).
 
2013-10-09 09:55:40 PM
I think the English royal family technically still has an open hit out for my entire clan. And considering how openly racist my blonde haired, blue eyed German grandmother was, I don't think Germany would want me either.
 
2013-10-09 09:57:24 PM

noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs


Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?
 
2013-10-09 09:57:47 PM

contrapunctus: menschenfresser: You kidding me? I'm so tired of Republitard derpnecks running this once-wonderful country, I'd be in the UK now if it weren't impossible to get in legally. As far as I know, if an employer will sponsor you there and prove a British citizen can't do the same job then you can get in for a little while. Otherwise, if you're a Russian gangster or middle eastern tyrant with millions of pounds to spend then they'll roll out the red carpet for you to buy a place in Knightsbridge. However, we innocent little Americans don't get any more preference for permanent entry than Libyans. :(

Here's the problem, though.

Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas. We shiat all over our tech workers with H1B visas. We allowed corporate power to wrap its tentacles around the mouth of every news outlet so that nothing even approaching a critique of the oligarchy will air.

Now we're staring down the barrel of wealth inequality on par with pre-Depression levels. The difference between now and 80 years ago is that the working class no longer functions as a united fighting force, but instead fights amongst itself with the Roman Circus R vs D 'debate'.

George Carlin was right. We have created a pile of shiat too thick to climb out of. Those of you who want to save America have my support and I truly honor your efforts, but anyone paying attention knows that we're facing an uphill battle of epic proportions to get this country back from the brink of corporate fascism.

I have roughly 40 years on this planet and I'd like to spend it somewhere civil and quiet, thank you.


I started reading this and I was disagreeing...

And by the time I got to the end I have to say I do agree. :/

I'm 42 - expect to have another 40, higher power willing, and since I've been married we've gone through THREE crashes together, if you include the impending one. 2001, 2008, and 2013/14?

That is some crazy shiat.  My grandfather almost starved during the Great Depression, clawed the family up to upper middle class, and here we are likely to wind up back on the farm/depressed all over again.

I would honestly like to just have some peace.  Not sure what that would take.
 
2013-10-09 09:58:33 PM

Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.



Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.
 
2013-10-09 10:02:59 PM

Witness99: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

I have a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, emergency preparedness plan and more...and I live in the city now.

But I used to live on a 20 acre farm a half hour away from civilization. People out there develop a different sense of self sufficiency. We had guns and a whole list of things that you only begun to allude to.

I actually see more of a need to have a gun in the city than the country. But it's a foreign, scary concept to city people (except the city gang bangers and other criminals, they're really comfortable with it).


The problem with gun owners that I know is that it's like this crazy feedback loop.  They get into this...I don't know...paranoid culture...and keep acquiring and acquiring guns and talking to people who are convinced that Obammy is coming for their guns.

I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.  Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

Really...how good are you with a 9mm?  I know a guy who just went nuts...his wife even said to me, "I married (name) and now I'm married to Militia Guy."
 
2013-10-09 10:04:32 PM

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


Yeah, that list was pretty lame. It compared our worst crap to Europe's best. Forget that you can get real quality cheese, and chocolate here in the U.S. All we know is the crap that is mass marketed to the fat, dumb, and lazy.

For example, a local cheese that will rock your palate...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_Fog
 
2013-10-09 10:05:38 PM

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.


It's not the quadratic formula.  It's the scientific method that people need to understand.  The fact that you test a hypothesis and CHANGE YOUR MIND when there is opposing information.  Just that would go a long way to breaking the insanity that grips DC right now.

If push came to shove I would sacrifice that for a media literacy course and/or a critical thinking course.
 
2013-10-09 10:06:06 PM
If you overlook the warring, roving bands of Neo-Nazis and Muslim fundamentalists; the rapacious taxes; the fact that Germany will inevitably get bored and look for a little Anschluss for all the countries that owe it money; the French; and the fact that you can't get a medium well cheeseburger to save your life, then yeah, Europe's farking awesome.
 
2013-10-09 10:07:11 PM

trotsky: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.


Unpossible. I heard from my right wing friends that in Europe they confiscate your guns and if you even think of trying to own a gun they cut your nuts off. It must be true.
 
2013-10-09 10:08:04 PM

Kit Fister: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?


img.totaloutdoornetwork.com

I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.
 
2013-10-09 10:10:05 PM

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.


Agreed. More people should know about science, but knowing how to function is a higher priority.
 
2013-10-09 10:10:38 PM

jaerik: A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.


A very good chunk of your head must be up your ass.

The list doesn't compare the best to the best. It compares our worst to their best. Not to say our best is better, but it's not the idiotic comparison the dumbass author put forth, and the one to which you appear to subscribe.

Dumbasses gonna believe dumbass $#!+.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-09 10:11:03 PM

noitsnot: I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.


Wanna try that again but this time have it make sense?
 
2013-10-09 10:12:44 PM

noitsnot: Kit Fister: noitsnot: EngineerBob: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

This!
First they came for Venus de Milo
And they'd have ours next!

I wonder how many people who own guns - ya know, "for protection" - also have a fire extinguisher.  Probably not too many.  Or have a first aid kit in their car.

I think it goes, in descending order of probability:

1) Get injured in a car accident
2) Have a fire in your home
3) Get hit by a comet
4) Have your home invaded by violent thugs

Can't speak for anyone else, but my home has full smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, tested regularly; fire extinguishers, tested and certified regularly; a fully stocked first aid kit; and full disaster preparedness items such as a fire ladder, candles, blankets, etc. Etc.

My shop has fire extinguishers and detectors, first aid kit, etc.

In my truck toolbox, I keep a full first aid kit, flashlight, batteries, flares, tow strap, tools, cold weather gear, jumper cables, and basic items needed for quick fix repairs.

I also have a preparedness kit based on the DHS recommendations for disaster evacuations that have copies of prescriptions, important documents, and otherbasic necessities.

Oh, and I even keep a pack of TP in the truck in case I've gotta shiat in a bush.

So, you were saying?

[img.totaloutdoornetwork.com image 500x365]

I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.


What the hell is that curvy gray and pink thing?
 
2013-10-09 10:13:15 PM
Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.
 
2013-10-09 10:14:57 PM

Janusdog: but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun


For what you do, a shotgun may be fine.  For me a shotgun will only work about 1/10 for what I do.  Just because you have no use for anything else does not mean that everyone else doesn't.
 
2013-10-09 10:14:59 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.


Well, I don't have a gun at all anyways.  But I did enjoy some of the shooting I did recreationally.  The husband really doesn't want a gun in the house.
 
2013-10-09 10:16:14 PM

HeadLever: Janusdog: but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun

For what you do, a shotgun may be fine.  For me a shotgun will only work about 1/10 for what I do.  Just because you have no use for anything else does not mean that everyone else doesn't.


If "what you do" is only related to home defense, then I stand by my statement.  If you do other things, then...point taken.
 
2013-10-09 10:16:15 PM

mizchief: fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.

That is a stupid old sterotype, like people who say American beer sucks pointing to Budweiser, while we have more craft brewers than anyone else in the world. .


That's funny, because Budweiser isn't an American owned company. Inbev is  a Belgian based company. That's it, I'm convinced, Belgians beer sucks!
 
2013-10-09 10:17:55 PM

Janusdog: demaL-demaL-yeH: Janusdog:
I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun.   Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

I cannot overemphasize the critical importance of regular range time. It's a shotgun, not a firehose. Hie thee to the range. Learn to shoot straight. Move on to moving targets. Then practice, practice, practice until it's instinct. Then keep practicing.

Well, I don't have a gun at all anyways.  But I did enjoy some of the shooting I did recreationally.  The husband really doesn't want a gun in the house.


Fine. Get a nice softball bat. Practice, practice, practice. Get to the point where disarming and hitting vitals is instinct. Then practice some more.
 
2013-10-09 10:19:15 PM

Janusdog: noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.

It's not the quadratic formula.  It's the scientific method that people need to understand.  The fact that you test a hypothesis and CHANGE YOUR MIND when there is opposing information.  Just that would go a long way to breaking the insanity that grips DC right now.

If push came to shove I would sacrifice that for a media literacy course and/or a critical thinking course.



I sympathize with you, but I don't think it really works that way.  You can't just give folks more larnin' and expect them to start behaving reasonably.  It's a brain biology problem - our brains discount just that kind of input (new data that contradicts the groupthink of the tribe).  Being rational isn't natural.
 
2013-10-09 10:19:37 PM

stanhapsburg: Ricardo Klement: In Germany, you better speak English, German, and one other G8 language if you want a job of any consequence.

This is true. In the sense of "sad but true". I estimate that about one out of six Germans is able to speak English decently. I don't know about other foreign languages, but I optimistically guess about one out of thirty might be trilingual. Foreign language school education in Germany is just awful.
I read a lot of students' papers in German and English, some of them bizarrely mixed up beyond recognition. Also, I often read magazines for customers or employees by so-called German global players. Most of the content is insufferable wannabe expert bullshiat.


Don't have any hard data to back this up, but with immersion and/or private school programs being an obvious exception, I'd argue that foreign language school education in most countries is awful. Most of the people I've known who speak +1 languages got their chops through bilingual parents, travel, working while travelling, or foreign spouses. It's rare to meet someone who attributes skill in a language to time spent at school.
 
2013-10-09 10:22:11 PM

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Riiiiigghhhhttttt, Because ALL the rich assholes who play puppeteer with the world's governments live here, and nowhere else; always have, always will. I KNEW there was a reason why we have it so much better. Thanks for helping out with that. I owe you one.
 
2013-10-09 10:23:08 PM

Janusdog: If "what you do" is only related to home defense, then I stand by my statement.


Home defense is not a large reason for me and what I do with my guns.
 
2013-10-09 10:24:18 PM

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.




perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


I lived in Italy as a child, and learned to speak Italian fluently. I've forgotten it since then from lack of using it, but I know that I could pick it up again very quickly.

However, the country is in a mess, and they're being bombarded with illegal immigrants, so the mood there is very anti-immigrant. I don't have any really unusual skills, unless they want SAS programmers. So, no emigration for me.
 
2013-10-09 10:24:37 PM

frestcrallen: Don't have any hard data to back this up, but with immersion and/or private school programs being an obvious exception, I'd argue that foreign language school education in most countries is awful. Most of the people I've known who speak +1 languages got their chops through bilingual parents, travel, working while travelling, or foreign spouses. It's rare to meet someone who attributes skill in a language to time spent at school.


*raises hand*
 
2013-10-09 10:25:01 PM

noitsnot: Janusdog: Igor Jakovsky: Janusdog: mrEdude: amerika is a sinking cesspool of greed, guns and stupidity

wouldn't want to set foot there again

/too bad, went from great to shiat in 20 years
//or was it 10?

I would say 20.

The educational system started collapsing about 1994ish.  That was the first to go, and poor education is why we have the teatards.

I'd guess based on pictures of the rallys that a majority of the Tea Party was educated in the 50s and 60s.

Agreed - but cutting off access to higher education and keeping the kids from understanding science and such as is key to keeping control.

Cruz is my age, embarrassingly.  As are the anti-vax retards.


Where does this idea come from, that teaching everyone science will create a utopia?  People don't need to learn science; they need to learn reasonable rules and standards for behavior and treating others decently.

They need to not act like prongs behind the wheel of a car, and not cut in lines and pick up their dog shiat.

If we can teach that, I could give a crap if they know the quadratic formula.



The idea is more about learning how to think and understanding how the world around you works on a fundamental level to the extent you can, not so much about learning formulae or memorizing facts or being a math whiz. Yes, learning how to interact ethically with other people is a good thing, but so is understanding the technology and environment and natural history and statistics that form the background for, if not the focus of, those interactions. And it isn't just science, it's history and art and religion and logic and all the other education that various damaging dumbasses try to maim or twist to their own political ends. (Including the teaching of "reasonable rules and standards for behavior" which have been staggered by "zero tolerance" assaults on reason, responsibility and the exercise of good judgment.)

/utopia, no; fewer damaging dumbasses, maybe
 
2013-10-09 10:25:18 PM

RightToWork: Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.


Oh my, you sound... um, large.

NTTAWWT.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-10-09 10:25:39 PM

Bob Down: [th08.deviantart.net image 850x679]


Awww, how cute. Coming from somone's whose country was founded by the worst criminal elements the British empire had to deal with.

/glass houses and whatnot
 
2013-10-09 10:26:15 PM

gja: noitsnot: I didn't see an extinguisher or first aid kit on this guy's bed, and he's who a consider the typical gun enthusiast.

Wanna try that again but this time have it make sense?



You didn't get that?

(OK, OK - I give up!  It's just that I love that picture, and I can't resist tweaking gun kooks when jump into any given discussion with "NUH UH - CUZ MAH GUNS!!!!  YUP!")

(I had a gun when I was in my early twenties - cuz it gave me a tough guy boner.  After a couple years, I looked at it and thought "What the hell is this for, exactly?" and then I sold it to some goober.)
 
2013-10-09 10:28:08 PM

Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.


you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.

contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.
 
2013-10-09 10:33:02 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.


This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.


Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.
 
2013-10-09 10:34:36 PM

contrapunctus: Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas.


Another America sucks rant that just doesn't quite hold up to reality. America is the largest manufacturer in the world. We're just not making cheap shiat anymore. The margins on complex tools, planes, super computers, etc are better anyway.

http://shopfloor.org/2011/03/u-s-manufacturing-remains-worlds-larges t/ 18756
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/0401/US-manufactu ri ng-export-orders-hit-20-year-high
 
2013-10-09 10:35:33 PM
They're also way more racist and intolerant than the US, so there's that!
 
2013-10-09 10:36:35 PM

Frantic Freddie: ... 2 full-size fridges & a chest freezer....



Wow, just... wow.
 
2013-10-09 10:39:44 PM

Mister Peejay: I was unaware that relocating to a different country was just as easy as moving to another state in the US, with none of those pesky immigration laws.


Maybe not quite as easy as moving from New Hampshire to Maine, but where there's a will, there's a way.
Lived in five countries on three continents legally, without an employer to help. It's all doable.
 
2013-10-09 10:40:52 PM

noitsnot: [wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 625x626]


K bye guys, moving to Russia now.  ttyl.
 
2013-10-09 10:43:17 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.


I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?
 
2013-10-09 10:47:22 PM

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


You live 40 miles from a supermarket?
 
2013-10-09 10:48:43 PM

Surpheon: contrapunctus: Even if you take out the teahadist portion of our population, the fact remains that America has done goddamn near everything in its power to self destruct anyway. And hell, the Tea Party is actually right about one thing: the US is debting itself into oblivion.

We shipped our manufacturing overseas.

Another America sucks rant that just doesn't quite hold up to reality. America is the largest manufacturer in the world. We're just not making cheap shiat anymore. The margins on complex tools, planes, super computers, etc are better anyway.

http://shopfloor.org/2011/03/u-s-manufacturing-remains-worlds-larges t/ 18756
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/0401/US-manufactu ri ng-export-orders-hit-20-year-high


Amen to this

/works for an innovative American manufacturer, making a unique product made in only one place on the planet.
 
2013-10-09 10:49:25 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: demaL-demaL-yeH: The_Original_Roxtar: Janusdog: I'm a pro-gun liberal but I see no reason to have anything but a shotgun. Point in the general direction and pull the trigger, and you'll probably hit it a little bit.

you know nothing about spread patterns.
if you're using small enough shot to "hit a little bit" while pointing int he "general direction", you're not going to do anything lethal to your target.
contrary to popular belief, you do need to aim with a shotgun.

This. So very much this. 


as for the benefit of shotgun vs pistol in a defensive situation, I can have 6 rounds with my 12 gauge or 12 rounds with my .40
the .40 is easier to get on target in close quarters.

Good on you, mate. It's the opposite of my experience, but good on you. (Are you using a goose or turkey barrel?)
/On the other hand, one round of double-ought has the same impact as four simultaneous rounds of .45ACP.

I have an 18" open "defender" barrel that I keep on the shotgun... it's loaded with 2 3/4" "multi-defense" shells. a .65 round ball followed by 6 #1 buckshot. what it comes down to for me is immediacy of the situation. if I have the time to get into a proper defensive position, I'll be leading with the shotgun and have the pistol as a backup (alarm goes off in the middle of the night). if I don't have time, I'm leading with the pistol because it's faster (bedroom door kicked in, no alarm).

think about this situation: you're lying in bed, which weapon can you bring to bear faster?


A spouse, if you have one.
 
2013-10-09 10:49:55 PM
The ones that had any need to move already done so, mostly say they from Canada when asked,   rest of you just stay put, cook something
and see how your 1% guys all spend more time in houses outside US
 
2013-10-09 10:52:47 PM
www.the-spearhead.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

(GIS for hot European women)
 
2013-10-09 10:57:15 PM

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


Funny , I was always told it was paid from my 65% tax, that and free schools and roads but then what do I know,  I also remember that locals are kind of keen to let you packup and leave, Im told same in Japan
 
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