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(Huffington Post)   Dear Americans: Your country is shutting down, your leaders are about to crash your economy and turn America into Mad Max times. Here are 16 reasons to move to Europe. What are you waiting for?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 346
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2013-10-09 08:13:38 PM  

Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.


They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.
 
2013-10-09 08:14:05 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I seem to remember that J.R.R. Tolkein borrowed very heavily from Finnish when he created the Elvish languages.
 
2013-10-09 08:14:06 PM  
This week's episode of Bourdain made Copenhagen look like a nice place to live. Don't know if I'd enjoy eating grass and moss at their finest restaurant though.
 
2013-10-09 08:16:33 PM  

FunkOut: Ohlookabutterfly: Come to Socialist Canada! We need skilled people to fill the positions our govnmt has allowed companies to hire temporary foreign workers to fill at half the pay in an effort to dilute the cost of said skilled labour. I have nothing against hungry Filipinos coming here to make a buck but not as a tool to undermine the wage I and my predecessors have fought to establish.

Nobody here wants to pick berries anymore for 40 cents a pound. You have to import people who think that's a good deal.


We tried importing Mexicans. Then they started getting "uppity."
 
2013-10-09 08:17:25 PM  
Getting my Swedish passport next month actually. Thanks dual-citizenship.
 
2013-10-09 08:19:31 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


That is a stupid old sterotype, like people who say American beer sucks pointing to Budweiser, while we have more craft brewers than anyone else in the world. .
 
2013-10-09 08:21:00 PM  
I'm waiting for the mad max times subby, or as I like to call them, the fallout times.

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2013-10-09 08:21:49 PM  

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?
 
2013-10-09 08:22:22 PM  

FunkOut: HeadLever: Hunting?  Fishing?  Hiking and camping in Alpine areas away from the hoards? Dirt Bike Riding?  Wide open spaces?

I think this country boy will stay put but thanks for the offer!

Maybe a 2 week trip during a vacation?

Try Finland. It's like the British Columbia of Europe only even more drunk and containing more reindeer/caribou.


Plus, they have the traditional fish slapping song.

/ what a traditional fish slapping song may look like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoTR8s BGfyY&sns=em (copy/pasta)
 
2013-10-09 08:23:45 PM  
Moving to Europe won't help.

There are people who do not appreciate what a US default would do to EVERYONE ELSE.
 
2013-10-09 08:24:25 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


Damn, I love Tillamook. The only problem is the price in small town Texas, about $8/ lb. The way we eat cheese in my household that would bankrupt us pretty quickly.
 
2013-10-09 08:24:33 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Someone's butthurt. fark you and the rest of the world.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:01 PM  
Was tempted to check trending real estate for off-the-beaten-path castles in Bavaria, but somehow I think they're still out of my price range.

That said, the German rail system  is beyond belief, both urban and rural.  Yes, I know who else was good with trains, but talking about present day here.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:29 PM  

trotsky: Kit Fister: I am a stubborn gun owner. No thanks.

Sweden's OK if you know a few police up there. Finland could care less. Hell you can get automatic Class IIIs in Switzerland no problem. In fact Switzerland is pretty much a perfect place for Americans to go.


The Swiss're not eager to have more foreigners move in.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:44 PM  
Miniature-sized consumer products, restaurants that charge for seating, bread, and water, lack of drinking fountains, pay bathrooms, tiny expensive living spaces, beggars and pickpockets, crazy taxes, graffiti everywhere, rude people - you have a blast with Europe, Subby, I'll somehow manage here in the U.S. with my multiple cars, comfortable house, friendly servers, and huge portions.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:16 PM  
Europe?  You mean America version 0.9?

No thanks.  Asia, maybe.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:42 PM  

fusillade762: 2. CHEESE

Hey now, I have access to plenty of extremely tasty cheese that comes from about a 40 minute drive away.

[shop.tillamook.com image 800x904]


perigee: Reason 1: Europe won't take you.

Two rules:
- Can't go without a job offer.
- Job can't be offered unless Nobody in the EU can fill it better than you.

So, unpack.

That and most countries require that you speak the language. So that only leaves the UK for most Americans.


In Germany, you better speak English, German, and one other G8 language if you want a job of any consequence.

What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.
 
2013-10-09 08:27:54 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

No. You jerks ruined the world economy back in 08 and I lost my first home because of it. America has way more to make up for to the rest of the world than a few stupid useless military bases(who are you protecting everyone from, zee Nazis?) so take that bullshiat America first protectionist attitude and pound it. I say you guys hang all your wall street leeches and spread their wealth among all the worlds poor, downtrodden, and hungry, eh?


Every time we ignored you idiots in Europe, you started shooting at each other and dragged the entire farking world into your bullshiat.  So the last time we had to clean up your mess, we decided to stay.

Oh, another thing.  Don't pull that European exceptionalism crap on me.  "We've been around longer".  No you haven't.  The USA has been a nation longer than almost every damn country in Europe.  Most of your countries are rather new, in fact.
 
2013-10-09 08:29:10 PM  

OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.


But if we don't protect Europe from the commie Russians, those commies will take over and we'll stand alone as the sole beacon of peace and tranquility in a world ruled by evil people who don't have the same political ideology as this CHRISTIAN land.

(I'm practicing for some other message boards, what needs work?)
 
2013-10-09 08:29:11 PM  

vodka: Europe?  You mean America version 0.9?

No thanks.  Asia, maybe.


You mean the OS/2 versions of countries?
 
2013-10-09 08:30:13 PM  
Yeah, Europe will be totally fine when the shiat hits the fan...  Not like they're hanging on by a thread or anything.
 
2013-10-09 08:30:49 PM  
Love it or leave it
        or
Stay and fix it
 
2013-10-09 08:31:06 PM  
1: your economy is just as bad as (if not worse than) ours
2: I don't speak the language outside of a few places (UK, Ireland).
3: The places where I speak the language won't let me keep my guns.
4: I have a good job, house, toys, etc here in the US. I don't feel like throwing that away.
 
2013-10-09 08:31:49 PM  

rolladuck: OgreMagi: Thunderpipes: Ya, because EU countries are doing soooooo well.

They always forget their social programs were basically paid for with American tax dollars.  They don't pay for a military because the American bases keep them safe.

Personally, I'm all for closing all the bases in Europe and reducing our military along with the military budget by that amount.  We can no longer afford to be the world police.

But if we don't protect Europe from the commie Russians, those commies will take over and we'll stand alone as the sole beacon of peace and tranquility in a world ruled by evil people who don't have the same political ideology as this CHRISTIAN land.

(I'm practicing for some other message boards, what needs work?)


I'd say Soviet Russians. Also, instead of evil, say godless. Instead of political ideology, say love of freedom.
 
2013-10-09 08:32:48 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I didn't know Elvis spoke a fancy language?

/Was it French?
 
2013-10-09 08:33:25 PM  
If they have figured out a cure for Industrial Disease yet, I may consider it

And yes, we are still inventing words that mean Industrial Disease.
 
2013-10-09 08:33:54 PM  
Nope. Costa Rica or Belize.
 
2013-10-09 08:33:59 PM  

jaerik: A very good chunk of the US population doesn't remember anything but the couple decades immediately after WW2, when Europe and Asia were a smoldering mess, and the US was the only nation left on the face of the planet that wasn't a complete wreck.  And thus honestly believe that there is some God-given absolute reason why the US must be better at all these things than every other country forever, and any statistics to the contrary are just jealous commie liberal fascist propaganda obfuscating an inevitable corrupt implosion into despair.


some of us have actually been to Europe within the last 5 years and found it amenable and lovely and interesting - in short? "A fine place to visit, but I don't care to live there"
(and no, I don't subscribe to american exceptionalism - I have been to Utah and the Appalachians) - but this is my homeland
 
2013-10-09 08:34:31 PM  
I'm not a quitter, subby.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:48 PM  
Will trade US citizenship indentured servitude for asylum or citizenship in any European country. Or Russia, or Japan or well almost anywhere else.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:49 PM  
When anyone says the word "Belgian," three things come to mind: Beer, waffles and Jean-Claude Van Damme.

In an alternate universe, King Leopold only arrives in the Congo to stage possible shooting locations for "Bloodsport" while serving beer and waffles to the locals.
 
2013-10-09 08:34:52 PM  
Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.
 
2013-10-09 08:35:10 PM  

AbiNormal: FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.

I didn't know Elvis spoke a fancy language?

/Was it French?


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don't you shtep on my blue sheude shoes.
 
2013-10-09 08:35:37 PM  
About ten years ago I visited Spain, I had such a good time that I suggested we sell our condo and I would sell watches and knock off purses to tourists. The wife said no to cheap wine and sunshine.
 
2013-10-09 08:39:19 PM  

Janusdog: Because it will suck everywhere.

The only argument to move is perhaps that the rest of the world will decide that Tea Partiers are a world threat and drop bombs on us.


I'm thinking that at this time, they are not a local issue. It's more a global epidemic.
 
2013-10-09 08:39:54 PM  

contrapunctus: It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.


Any civilized country with something akin to universal health care by default should have strict immigration policies. They'd be stupid not to on that point alone.
 
2013-10-09 08:40:59 PM  

contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.


Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.
 
2013-10-09 08:41:10 PM  

Ricardo Klement: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.


It's true that multilingual abilities were more of a historic necessity in Europe because of geography and demographics.  But to be fair, if Americans were saturated from childhood with alternative language media to the same degree that Europeans are with English, the linguistic divide wouldn't be as pronounced.  It's just inertia.
 
2013-10-09 08:41:40 PM  

Felgraf: 2) I am one year from finishing a Physics PhD. A Physics PhD would be highly valuable. "Being a year away from having a physics PhD" is not.


Uhh... unless you just invented an antigravity device, a physics PhD is about as useful as an A+ certification these days. Whatever you do, don't become an adjunct professor. A data entry clerk working through a temp agency gets treated better.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:26 PM  
Eurotrolling is fun and all until you find out that you cant work.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:33 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


All the Finns speak Swedish, too, it's mandatory to learn it in school.
 
2013-10-09 08:42:40 PM  

FunkOut: The only problem with Finland is Finnish is pretty bloody difficult to learn compared to Swedish or Danish. It's like super fancy Elvish.


I'm laughing because it's accurate, and I'd be crying otherwise. Estonian and Hungarian are not easy, either.
 
2013-10-09 08:43:44 PM  
No thanks, I like my 2.5 acres & 1800 sq ft house with 2 full-size fridges & a chest freezer. I like my guns & the fact that I only have to go 400 yards to shoot. I like my Jeeps & the fact that I can go 4-wheeling just 2 miles away. I like that a 1.75 Maker's Mark is $30 at Costco & not $75. I like green chile, can't get that there, or for that matter, any decent Mexican (and sure as hell no New Mexican) food. I like the fact that my state, at 122,000 sq miles has only 2 million population.

/would love to visit Europe, got friends there
//lived in Spain in the late 60s
 
2013-10-09 08:46:57 PM  
Ohlookabutterfly:

I'm sure most Europeans don't want me.  I'm not white.

Oh yeah, I pulled that race card.

I'll bite, are you a pearlescent shade of taupe then?



Anyone who is a shade of gray, probably needs to see a doctor. Although being Mauve Taupe would be interesting.


Skinink:   Meh. Not like America is any kind of racial utopia. I would take my chance in Europe. Hell, I went to Berlin and Prague and had less hassles than I expected. I was born and raised in Boston and I've have more than my share of racial issues with people here.

Wit that being said, it doesn't really look like Europe is in much better shape than the U.S.



Sure. America is no racial utopia.  Still, being German, French, Swiss, Italian tends to be tied to a specific racial group (and culture).  In comparison, to say the only real Americans are white sounds slightly absurd (same with Canadians).   My point is if things go sour in Europe, it tends to be much easier to blame it on the guy who doesn't look like everyone else.

Other than that, I'd love to live in Europe.  Great food and thinner women.
 
2013-10-09 08:47:20 PM  

contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.


I'm #2.  As soon as the kids are grown, I'm blowing this popsicle stand.

South of France, here I  come.
 
2013-10-09 08:48:12 PM  
I don't want to go to a place where dub step and techno beats are the national anthems
 
2013-10-09 08:50:52 PM  
Da hukizishi goi tabzug dulug az golz, arshu da huhk brazub, ahgnar baieigh dalub.
 
2013-10-09 08:51:57 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Although being Mauve Taupe would be interesting.


is this a gay joke?
 
2013-10-09 08:52:58 PM  

jaerik: contrapunctus: Only one of two ways you're getting in to any of the decent Euro countries.

1. A job offer from a company that requires your highly specialized skill set. A skill set that couldn't be filled by someone in the country.

2. Marrying a citizen of the country.

It shouldn't be any surprise, but the countries with the highest standards of living also have the most restrictive immigration policies. Basically, if you think packing up and movingto sSwitzerland or Iceland is a simple matter, think again. I can tell you that neither country is thrilled at the prospect of an american immigration flood.

Which is why I always laugh every time folks in either political party threaten to move to Canada/New Zealand/wherever if the opposing party wins the Presidency.  Everyone just assumes that all those other countries want Americans.  Even Canada has pretty strict requirements on education, skill sets, and background.  It's quite a shock to most of them.


Here's a bit of background on how I came to find all of this out.

I worked as a sound designer/music composer for a number of years on titles for the DS/Xbox/360/Wii. A few million sellers in fact. Once the shiat hit the fan in 2008 with the housing crash, I applies for several positions in Sweden and Denmark.

Every studio wrote back with a letter along the lines of: "We'd love to hire you but we legally can't since there are capable (though less qualified) candidates within our own borders".

New Zealand? Even IF you have a desirable skill, you only qualify for temporary residency.

Basically, we are not as free to move around the world as we like to think.
 
2013-10-09 08:53:40 PM  
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