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(Guardian)   Chelsea Manning rejects 'pacifist' labels says she prefers Agent Provocateur   (theguardian.com) divider line 92
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2013-10-09 06:20:03 PM  
I would go with "butt chin".
 
2013-10-09 06:22:28 PM  
Traitor?
 
2013-10-09 06:23:01 PM  
Nice headline.  Let's see who gets it.
 
2013-10-09 06:23:03 PM  
Eli Manning refuses to score.
 
2013-10-09 06:23:34 PM  
Really? We're going with "Chelsea"?
 
jvl
2013-10-09 06:23:43 PM  
I'll go with self-righteous retard with delusions of godhood who takes it upon itself to decide what should and should not be secret.

Also, I'll call it a "she" after time is served. Deal with it criminal.
 
2013-10-09 06:24:45 PM  
When did it become a she?
 
2013-10-09 06:24:45 PM  
I think you get to execute them too.
 
2013-10-09 06:25:55 PM  
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-10-09 06:26:18 PM  
 
2013-10-09 06:26:46 PM  
Is her talk show any good? I don't have cable.
 
2013-10-09 06:27:54 PM  
Wow first Bradley and now her? That whole family is farked up.
 
2013-10-09 06:27:57 PM  
Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) didn't give a shiat what he turned over, he just dumped a bunch of documents, and probably couldn't have told you what was in them until they hit Wikileaks.  He was no hero like his fans want to claim he was, he was a whiny little brat that slipped through the cracks at a time when the Army was desperate.  Screw that little prick.  I hope he enjoys Leavenworth.
 
2013-10-09 06:28:11 PM  
And we give this "person" a voice because...?
 
2013-10-09 06:31:25 PM  
"Not Helping" would be a better label.
 
2013-10-09 06:31:33 PM  
One farked up puppy.

/And not for the reason you think I think that.
 
2013-10-09 06:32:18 PM  

rkiller1: And we give this "person" a voice because...?


trolling is fun
 
2013-10-09 06:32:29 PM  

rkiller1: And we give this "person" a voice because...?


Renegade "fist bump" to you!
 
2013-10-09 06:32:29 PM  

devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) didn't give a shiat what he turned over, he just dumped a bunch of documents, and probably couldn't have told you what was in them until they hit Wikileaks.  He was no hero like his fans want to claim he was, he was a whiny little brat that slipped through the cracks at a time when the Army was desperate.  Screw that little prick.  I hope he enjoys Leavenworth.


This.

Also,  "raging attention whore and drama queen" seems appropriate.
 
2013-10-09 06:33:51 PM  
was hoping to find pictures of people in agent provocateur products.
 
2013-10-09 06:33:57 PM  

devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) didn't give a shiat what he turned over, he just dumped a bunch of documents, and probably couldn't have told you what was in them until they hit Wikileaks.  He was no hero like his fans want to claim he was, he was a whiny little brat that slipped through the cracks at a time when the Army was desperate.  Screw that little prick.  I hope he enjoys Leavenworth.


You really think the Army was desperate when it brought in a tiny little man who wanted to be a lady? I think you're just jealous of how he could fit inside a standard suitcase.
 
2013-10-09 06:36:14 PM  
That was quite an operation there Chelsea....

problemchylde.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-09 06:36:59 PM  

pute kisses like a man: agent provocateur


Yes,  http://www.agentprovocateur.com , although link was blocked by Ironport at the sweatshop!
 
2013-10-09 06:37:19 PM  
jvl:  with delusions of godhood who takes it upon itself to decide what should and should not be secret.

See now, what's funny about your comment is that this is exactly what motivated Manning to give this stuff to Wikileaks: the idea that a handful of folks in government were playing god and keeping secrets for the primary reason of misleading the public they serve.

I'm not defending Manning, just making an observation about your attack on her.
 
2013-10-09 06:38:25 PM  
Eh, Chelsea seems like a nice kid. Good on her. I hope she gets out of military prison and gets a chance to have a good life. And maybe when President Obama leaves office, he will pardon her.

//Yeah, not going to happen, but I'm an idealist.
 
2013-10-09 06:38:57 PM  
Why does the media insist on calling him a her?  I have nothing against trans people... really! ...  but he's still a "he."  Just because he wants to be a lady named Chelsea doesn't make it so.  

Sometimes I'd like to be George Clooney but that doesn't mean I am him.
 
2013-10-09 06:39:47 PM  
Fark him.
 
jvl
2013-10-09 06:44:20 PM  
brimed03:See now, what's funny about your comment is that this is exactly what motivated Manning to give this stuff to Wikileaks: the idea that a handful of folks in government were playing god and keeping secrets for the primary reason of misleading the public they serve.

There is a long and honored tradition of careful leaking of secrets to uncover something that the leaker beleives should not be secret. Manning is not one of them. He blindly turned over many gigabytes of secrets without caring what was in them.

It's the stuff he turned over ignorantly that makes me call him names.

For example, if Snowden had revealed that the NSA had such a wide eavesdropping dragnet so that we could discuss whether or not that is really what we want as a country, that would have been a Good Thing. The problem is he didn't stop with a simple release of information and went sailing on into being evil.
 
2013-10-09 06:45:19 PM  

bigworld2000: Why does the media insist on calling him a her?


Who cares, it's entertaining to see who is angered by it.
 
2013-10-09 06:47:58 PM  

brimed03: jvl:  with delusions of godhood who takes it upon itself to decide what should and should not be secret.

See now, what's funny about your comment is that this is exactly what motivated Manning to give this stuff to Wikileaks: the idea that a handful of folks in government were playing god and keeping secrets for the primary reason of misleading the public they serve.

I'm not defending Manning, just making an observation about your attack on her.


a) that is the reasoning that people put on it now, but if you read the chat logs between brad and adrian lamo and brads behavior prior to stealing the documents it tells a different story.
b) yes you are.
 
2013-10-09 06:52:23 PM  
I saw her brother Bradley on TV a while back. Strong family resemblance.
 
2013-10-09 06:52:55 PM  

jvl: brimed03:See now, what's funny about your comment is that this is exactly what motivated Manning to give this stuff to Wikileaks: the idea that a handful of folks in government were playing god and keeping secrets for the primary reason of misleading the public they serve.

There is a long and honored tradition of careful leaking of secrets to uncover something that the leaker beleives should not be secret. Manning is not one of them. He blindly turned over many gigabytes of secrets without caring what was in them.

It's the stuff he turned over ignorantly that makes me call him names.

For example, if Snowden had revealed that the NSA had such a wide eavesdropping dragnet so that we could discuss whether or not that is really what we want as a country, that would have been a Good Thing. The problem is he didn't stop with a simple release of information and went sailing on into being evil.


exactly, if it had just been the collateral murder video, everyone might not have agreed with it being leaked, but I think the majority of people would have understood the desire that someone would have to leak it.
 
2013-10-09 06:53:28 PM  

devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) didn't give a shiat what he turned over, he just dumped a bunch of documents, and probably couldn't have told you what was in them until they hit Wikileaks.  He was no hero like his fans want to claim he was, he was a whiny little brat that slipped through the cracks at a time when the Army was desperate.  Screw that little prick.  I hope he enjoys Leavenworth.


I see some little jarbaby is upset because Chelsea has shown more intellect, and patriotism, than they could ever muster up. She did what was right for the country, in spite of the punishments the assholes in charge want to give her. In doing so, she's showing that even after her SRS, she'll have bigger balls than you could ever dream of having.
 
2013-10-09 06:53:30 PM  
If I was in prison I'd love to have her as my cellmate. Sure, she'd blab everything, but when you're in prison what does it

bigworld2000: Why does the media insist on calling him a her?  I have nothing against trans people... really! ...  but he's still a "he."  Just because he wants to be a lady named Chelsea doesn't make it so.

Sometimes I'd like to be George Clooney but that doesn't mean I am him.


Transgender. It's a thing.

If I was in prison I'd like her as my cellmate.
 
2013-10-09 07:00:01 PM  

bigworld2000: Why does the media insist on calling him a her?  I have nothing against trans people... really! ...  but he's still a "he."  Just because he wants to be a lady named Chelsea doesn't make it so.

Sometimes I'd like to be George Clooney but that doesn't mean I am him.


Well, you see, the process of changing gender is a long and complicated affair, even when one is not dealing with a prison sentence. You can't just go and get a snip and you're all set. There's months or years of therapy, treatments, honest introspection, and lots of money to spend before the transition is complete (depending on how far any individual wants to go).

Which is why it's a ridiculous bar to set for transpersons to not be called by their preferred names and pronouns until they've met some standard of yours. Medical standards require at least a year of living full-time as the new gender before surgery is an option, and how are they expected to do this if you're going to be a dick about it? Not to mention, this is really an identity that the individual has had deep in their mind for a very long time before they come out about it.

So if you really don't have anything against transpersons, keep in mind that this is about giving them the dignity to say who they are and be accepted for it.

And Prank Call of Cthulhu, I have your farkied for being funny and insightful. I'm expecting a little more understanding here from you.
 
2013-10-09 07:08:34 PM  
SwissArmyGnome:

Well, you see, the process of changing gender is a long and complicated affair, even when one is not dealing with a prison sentence. You can't just go and get a snip and you're all set. There's months or years of therapy, treatments, honest introspection, and lots of money to spend before the transition is complete (depending on how far any individual wants to go).

And at the end of it all he will just be a man with a mutilated penis.

i151.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-09 07:09:16 PM  

coffeeplease: Fark him.


Soon, I guess.
 
2013-10-09 07:09:54 PM  
Manning may have done what she "thought was necessary", but the fact is, she didn't do anything more or less heroic than what Donald Petraeus was charged with potentially doing: revealing sensitive information to foreign interests hostile to the US.

The mechanism and intentions may be different, but the results are the same; and that's why in some cases the ends make the means irrelevant. What matters is that thanks to someone's thoughtlessness, intel that needed to remain secret isn't, and that someone needs to pay for it.
 
2013-10-09 07:16:28 PM  

devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail)

Y Chromosome completely removed on a cellular level.

You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.

/It's not the hormones, it's the chromosomes, expressed or not
 
2013-10-09 07:16:38 PM  

LargeCanine: And at the end of it all he will just be a man with a mutilated penis.


flay my dick like a bloomin onion
 
2013-10-09 07:17:39 PM  

Anayalator: Traitor?


done in two.
 
2013-10-09 07:17:42 PM  
Was this person a high ranking officer and simply doesn't understand that the public isn't *meant* to know about all the shiat the country gets up to, or is he just another peon who did 'what he thought was right'?
 
2013-10-09 07:19:49 PM  

elchupacabra: You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.

/It's not the hormones, it's the chromosomes, expressed or not


Can't tell if trolling or just ignorant to the fact that people respond with emotion instead of logic and your pretend soul will be damned to old idealist heaven if you don't recognize that person's courage in cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy.

Damn normal people.
 
2013-10-09 07:20:02 PM  
If you want a deeper understanding of Wikileaks than what's been in the mass media, This Machine Kills Secrets is a pretty good book. If nothing else, you'll understand why Lady Gaga is such a dangerous threat.
 
2013-10-09 07:22:31 PM  

elchupacabra: devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) Y Chromosome completely removed on a cellular level.

You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.

/It's not the hormones, it's the chromosomes, expressed or not


Right. 'Cause of your chromosome vision. Are you from farking Krypton?

And apparently, dudes:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-09 07:22:39 PM  

elchupacabra: You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.


What about Jamie Lee Curtis?

/That dancing scene in True Lies still haunts my nightmares
//Poor Winthrop
 
2013-10-09 07:24:28 PM  
i.imgur.com

What an Agent Provacateur might look like.
 
2013-10-09 07:25:43 PM  
Rather than Chelsea Manning, he should have went with Bradley Womanning
 
2013-10-09 07:30:14 PM  

EngineerAU: elchupacabra: You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.

What about Jamie Lee Curtis?

/That dancing scene in True Lies still haunts my nightmares
//Poor Winthrop


AFAIK, that was just an Internet rumor, no confirmation that she had male chromosomes.

And if so?  Well, that's a male.
 
2013-10-09 07:33:31 PM  

SwissArmyGnome: elchupacabra: devildog123: Bradley (I'll call him "Chelsea" and "her" when he get's the dick snipped and out of jail) Y Chromosome completely removed on a cellular level.

You can choose whatever name you want and wear dresses and eyeliner, but that Y Chromosome makes you a Liar if you say you're female.

/It's not the hormones, it's the chromosomes, expressed or not

Right. 'Cause of your chromosome vision. Are you from farking Krypton?


I'm not saying I'll automatically know the difference -- I'm not trying to be macho and say, "I can tell a chick from a dude".  I'm saying if you are genetically male, don't lie and say you're female.

Be as feminine as you want, by all means.  But don't expect me to say, "Yup, you're female cuz you say so or cuz your hormones are out of whack".
 
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