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2013-10-09 03:26:07 PM  
"The name was never a label. It was, and continues to be, a badge of honor. "

You know what a badge is, Dan? IT'S A KIND OF LABEL.
 
2013-10-09 03:32:17 PM  
I'm surprised he's not charging everyone $5 a pop to read that.
 
2013-10-09 03:36:49 PM  
I stopped reading when he promised fans a "heap exciting season-um"
 
2013-10-09 03:37:30 PM  
It's tradition! That means nothing changes. Well, except the words to the Redskin's fight song. But that's different...

Looking forward to San Antonio changing the name of their basketball team to the Spics, then citing tradition as the reason...
 
2013-10-09 03:40:50 PM  
Harjo declines to estimate what percentage of native people oppose the name. But she notes that the many organizations supporting her lawsuit include the Cherokee, Comanche, Oneida and Seminole tribes, as well as the National Congress of American Indians, the largest intertribal organization, which represents more than 250 groups with a combined enrollment of 1.2 million.

"The 'Redskins' trademark is disparaging to Native Americans and perpetuates a centuries-old stereotype of Native Americans as 'blood-thirsty savages,' 'noble warriors' and an ethnic group 'frozen in history,'" the National Congress said in a brief filed in the lawsuit.


Come on. They LOVE IT!
 
2013-10-09 03:41:57 PM  

mediablitz: Spics


was it ever named this?  too lazy to look it up
 
2013-10-09 03:43:24 PM  

ManateeGag: mediablitz: Spics

was it ever named this?  too lazy to look it up


LOL. No.
 
2013-10-09 03:43:37 PM  
PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well.


I know what it means to you, Dan.  It means tens of millions a year in income from merchandising.  Given that fact, you'll forgive me for suspecting that your analysis of whether or not racial slurs are acceptable names for sports teams might not be an entirely objective presentation.
 
2013-10-09 03:49:41 PM  

FloydA: PS. Wherever I go, I see Redskins bumper stickers, Redskins decals, Redskins t-shirts, Redskins everything. I know how much this team means to you, and it means everything to me as well.


I know what it means to you, Dan.  It means tens of millions a year in income from merchandising.  Given that fact, you'll forgive me for suspecting that your analysis of whether or not racial slurs are acceptable names for sports teams might not be an entirely objective presentation.


Um, if he was only interested in moichendizing, wouldn't he LOVE the idea of changing the name? It means new logos, which means everybody's gotta buy new hats, jerseys, pennants - AND he can still sell the old stuff as "retro" or "throwback" (or have a non-NFL subsidiary do it).

// they can't take his trademark if he changes the name willingly, right?
// I know the USPTO can revoke a protection if the mark is offensive, but if Snyde (not a typo) gives up the name voluntarily, would the PTO even try?
// Snyder can sark a fark
 
2013-10-09 03:50:07 PM  
Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.
 
2013-10-09 03:52:57 PM  

mediablitz: ManateeGag: mediablitz: Spics

was it ever named this?  too lazy to look it up

LOL. No.


I wouldn't be surprised.  There were a bunch of "Redmen" as well as the "Black Crackers" from the old Negro League.
 
2013-10-09 03:53:02 PM  

Cagey B: Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.


This covers it pretty well:

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is "very offensive and should be avoided." But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

"Of course, it is one thing for one 'skin to call another 'skin a 'skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it," Meland said in an email interview.


Aren't we lucky we have Dan Snyder to tell us what is and isn't racist to another race?
 
2013-10-09 03:58:48 PM  
Personally, the name doesn't inspire fear or confidence or excitement.  I would change it just because it is stupid.
 
2013-10-09 05:14:57 PM  
So Dan how many Native Americans have you called "Redskin" to their face?
 
2013-10-09 05:15:08 PM  
Personally, I'm offended by the name of the state of Oklahoma. I think they should change it.
 
2013-10-09 05:17:56 PM  
Kinda weird that the the football team in our nation's capital is named after the people from which we stole this country.
 
2013-10-09 05:18:20 PM  
"...so henceforth, we shall be known as the Washington Wagon-Burners.

Love,

Dan Snyder
 
2013-10-09 05:18:22 PM  
 
2013-10-09 05:18:32 PM  
And now I play the waiting game ...
 
2013-10-09 05:19:00 PM  
To summarize: Some of his best friends are Injuns!
 
2013-10-09 05:19:20 PM  
Simply put, it's an embarrassment that it's survived this long. And the day is fast approaching when it just won't be acceptable to the NFL's bottom line to keep it. I guess that's a form of progress.
 
2013-10-09 05:19:36 PM  

mediablitz: ManateeGag: mediablitz: Spics

was it ever named this?  too lazy to look it up

LOL. No.


They once tried to switch it to the Paper Towels. I distinctly remember reading that letter ...
 
2013-10-09 05:20:00 PM  
I thought the Bullets could change to the Washington Homeless, but it could work for the 'Skins too.  Call the team the Homies.  Every week, you get a new homeless guy to be your mascot.  You hose him down in the locker room.  You give him a bunch of clean clothes (team-branded schwag, sweatpants, heavy jackets).  You feed him on game day.  You let him flip the coin to see who kicks off.  Sunday night, you buy him a cab to his favorite shelter and make a $5k donation in his name.

/Go Homies!
//reposting
 
2013-10-09 05:20:27 PM  

HawgWild: Kinda weird that the the football team in our nation's capital is named after the people from which we stole this country.


Think of it as 'giving back' to the 'good Indian' community.
 
2013-10-09 05:22:05 PM  

mediablitz: Cagey B: Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.

This covers it pretty well:

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is "very offensive and should be avoided." But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

"Of course, it is one thing for one 'skin to call another 'skin a 'skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it," Meland said in an email interview.

Aren't we lucky we have Dan Snyder to tell us what is and isn't racist to another race?


When over 80% of the race in question has no problem w/ it being used that way, its not racist
 
2013-10-09 05:23:39 PM  
Dan, shut up. You are living off the glory of Jack Kent Cooke and you know it. Bringing in old washed-up talent and sniping the local papers ain't gonna change the fact that your "treasured franchise" spends so much money and still does squat. Hell, the Cowboys have a better track record than you guys over the past few years. That's right, Dan, Jerry Jones owns your ass. The fact that your franchise is listed as the second most profitable makes me wonder if you've got ties with organized crime.
 
2013-10-09 05:28:29 PM  
What I don't understand is why any NFL team would be opposed to changing their name/mascot, if they could do so without being seen as money-grubbing whores. What, Dan Snyder doesn't want to sell several metric tons of new Washington Professional Football Team shirts and hats?

The public is giving you a license to print money, Dan. None of your fans are going to be so distraught that they will stop watching football or coming to RFK, despite what they may say Cripes the NFL is a machine designed to destroy healthy young men with 65 minutes of commercials and hour, and we as a nation literally cannot stop throwing money at it. And for once you would be seen as a caring, magnanimous person.

What is the downside?
 
2013-10-09 05:39:01 PM  

ShadowKamui: mediablitz: Cagey B: Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.

This covers it pretty well:

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is "very offensive and should be avoided." But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

"Of course, it is one thing for one 'skin to call another 'skin a 'skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it," Meland said in an email interview.

Aren't we lucky we have Dan Snyder to tell us what is and isn't racist to another race?

When over 80% of the race in question has no problem w/ it being used that way, its not racist


citation needed
 
2013-10-09 05:41:04 PM  
Need more:

gamedayr.com
 
2013-10-09 05:48:07 PM  
Cause a Trail of Tears?  Is he moving the team to Oklahoma?
 
2013-10-09 05:49:46 PM  
I don't understand why they are fighting this. Changing the team name would mean a lot of revenue in merchandise sales. They could modernize the team look and change to a color combination that any east coast gang banger would be proud to wear. Snider could be the next Al Davis without the success on the field of Al Davis.
 
2013-10-09 05:53:21 PM  
Sorry Danny,
The University on North Dakota couldn't keep "Fighting Sioux" because a minority of Sioux were offended by it's use. Not because the Sioux weren't a warring tribe mind you, but because other teams like to chant "Sioux suck!" The geographically closest tribes to UND were honored by the name and logo (designed by a registered Sioux) but that doesn't matter you see because someone was offended and there seems be a hidden clause in the Bill Of Rights which includes "The Right To Not Be Offended". "Redskins" might be a name that doesn't offend 75% of Native Americans, or it might offend all of them, it matters not, at least one vocal person is offended so the name must change!
Stop fighting the Offended, it's a waste of time and money. Change it to Washington Blah and change your colors to grey on grey, it's the only way to be sure you won't offend someone.
 
2013-10-09 05:57:25 PM  

king of vegas: ShadowKamui: mediablitz: Cagey B: Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.

This covers it pretty well:

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is "very offensive and should be avoided." But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

"Of course, it is one thing for one 'skin to call another 'skin a 'skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it," Meland said in an email interview.

Aren't we lucky we have Dan Snyder to tell us what is and isn't racist to another race?

When over 80% of the race in question has no problem w/ it being used that way, its not racist

citation needed


http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/downloads/political_commu ni cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf
 
2013-10-09 05:58:04 PM  

EightyEight: Sorry Danny,
The University on North Dakota couldn't keep "Fighting Sioux" because a minority of Sioux were offended by it's use. Not because the Sioux weren't a warring tribe mind you, but because other teams like to chant "Sioux suck!" The geographically closest tribes to UND were honored by the name and logo (designed by a registered Sioux) but that doesn't matter you see because someone was offended and there seems be a hidden clause in the Bill Of Rights which includes "The Right To Not Be Offended". "Redskins" might be a name that doesn't offend 75% of Native Americans, or it might offend all of them, it matters not, at least one vocal person is offended so the name must change!
Stop fighting the Offended, it's a waste of time and money. Change it to Washington Blah and change your colors to grey on grey, it's the only way to be sure you won't offend someone.


There is no right to not be offended. There is a right to free speech, which can be used to express opposition to those who offend you.
 
2013-10-09 05:58:05 PM  
"But I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means,"

We know what it means. It means you're a racist arsehole.
 
2013-10-09 06:00:27 PM  
Dear Mr Snyder,

As a lifelong Redskins fan:

1) You misused the word enormity; well unless you were really struck by the outrageous level of evil inside of RFK stadium the first time you walked, in which case I stand corrected.
2) "Our past isn't just where we came from -- it's who we are. " This has to be the one of the most trite condescending things I've ever read in defense of the name of a sports team.
3) Please never use the term 'Redskins Nation.'  I hate when fans refers to their collective fanbase as a nation.  It's really pathetic and shows that you have nothing to be proud of in your own life outside of whatever it is that some sportsmen wearing tights accomplished at some point.  There's a term for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basking_in_reflected_glory
4) Seriously, Deion Sanders? F U
5) Seriously, Steve Spurrier? F U
6) Seriously, charging to attend practice? F U
7) Seriously, Vinny Cerrato? F U
8) Seriously, Adam Archuleta? F U
9) Seriously, Albert Haynesworth? F U
10) Jim Zorn? F U
11) I know there's something I forgot.  F U
12) I know you're about to mess something up. F U
 
2013-10-09 06:06:49 PM  

bgilmore5: I don't understand why they are fighting this. Changing the team name would mean a lot of revenue in merchandise sales. They could modernize the team look and change to a color combination that any east coast gang banger would be proud to wear. Snider could be the next Al Davis without the success on the field of Al Davis.


Not that it's necessarily directly comparable, but the 'phins did much less than this this year- they
just changed the shape of the dolphin basically. And I am not a fan of it. I'm old school that way (fan since ~1970, when I was ~6 years old). I guess it's just "modernizing", but I just don't see the point in the first place.

And whoa - it is precisely this reason that Snyder gives - and he too was 6 years old when he and his
dad went to his team's games, just like me.

I'm still very much a Dolphin fan, and will be whenever some dumbass marketing geek suggests that the uniform/logo/etc needs to be changed again... So, in the end I agree w/ you and Dr. Deidel... cheers
 
2013-10-09 06:09:23 PM  

EightyEight: Sorry Danny,
The University on North Dakota couldn't keep "Fighting Sioux" because a minority of Sioux were offended by it's use. Not because the Sioux weren't a warring tribe mind you, but because other teams like to chant "Sioux suck!" The geographically closest tribes to UND were honored by the name and logo (designed by a registered Sioux) but that doesn't matter you see because someone was offended and there seems be a hidden clause in the Bill Of Rights which includes "The Right To Not Be Offended".


Where's the hidden clause in the Bill of Rights that says you have the right to government protection for your offensive commercial speech?

/"It's in the shadows and penumbras of... the commerce clause?"
 
2013-10-09 06:10:09 PM  
I never thought I'd say this, but WAY TO GO DAN SNYDER!!!!!!

Keeping up the good fight against all those PC or else dickheads, um, misguided individuals.
 
2013-10-09 06:12:01 PM  

EightyEight: Sorry Danny,
The University on North Dakota couldn't keep "Fighting Sioux" because a minority of Sioux were offended by it's use. Not because the Sioux weren't a warring tribe mind you, but because other teams like to chant "Sioux suck!" The geographically closest tribes to UND were honored by the name and logo (designed by a registered Sioux) but that doesn't matter you see because someone was offended and there seems be a hidden clause in the Bill Of Rights which includes "The Right To Not Be Offended". "Redskins" might be a name that doesn't offend 75% of Native Americans, or it might offend all of them, it matters not, at least one vocal person is offended so the name must change!
Stop fighting the Offended, it's a waste of time and money. Change it to Washington Blah and change your colors to grey on grey, it's the only way to be sure you won't offend someone.


The NCAA also barred universities that use Native Americans as school mascots from hosting major NCAA events or wearing their logos during post-season play.  That may have played a role in UND's decision to make the change.  Money matters most to a university.
 
2013-10-09 06:16:06 PM  

WhiskeySticks: The NCAA also barred universities that use Native Americans as school mascots from hosting major NCAA events or wearing their logos during post-season play. That may have played a role in UND's decision to make the change. Money matters most to a university.


That happened at my alma mater, Illinois, for two years before they got rid of the Chief.  Schools actually lose money hosting those events, but it puts them in an awkward position of forcing non-revenue teams that have earned post-season home games to go on the road and it puts them at a competitive disadvantage.  It's a really creative way of pitting non-revenue coaches against revenue coaches within the same athletic department-- this is already a place with a lot of tension.
 
2013-10-09 06:27:42 PM  
While the rest of the league began signing individual blacks in 1946 and actually drafting blacks in 1949, Marshall held out until 1962 before signing a black player. Along with his own personal views, Marshall refused to sign African-American players because of a desire to appeal to Southern markets. For most of his tenure as owner, the Redskins were the southernmost team in the NFL.

Nice history there Dan.
 
2013-10-09 06:44:46 PM  
Synder isn't going to change the name of the team unless he is forced to by either the courts or the NFL, and even then he is likely to fight it out to the bitter end.


besides all they need to do is to change the logo to a red skinned potatoand problem solved, and it also represents the current house of reps.
 
2013-10-09 06:47:11 PM  

ShadowKamui: When over 80% of the race in question has no problem w/ it being used that way, its not racist


When you use statistics taken without asking details of the repliers, you get numbers like you posted. I posted a quote from an actual organization representing millions of native americans. You posted a bullshiat number from a questionable "survey".

I'll go with the quote from the people actually involved.
 
2013-10-09 06:51:38 PM  

Seacop: king of vegas: ShadowKamui: mediablitz: Cagey B: Well, if Dan Snyder, quite possibly the biggest asshole in sports, says so.

This covers it pretty well:

The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is "very offensive and should be avoided." But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

"Of course, it is one thing for one 'skin to call another 'skin a 'skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it," Meland said in an email interview.

Aren't we lucky we have Dan Snyder to tell us what is and isn't racist to another race?

When over 80% of the race in question has no problem w/ it being used that way, its not racist

citation needed

http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/downloads/political_commu ni cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf


No indication of tribe, locality, etc. A bullshiat survey.
 
2013-10-09 06:56:27 PM  
Red skins is one thing, what happened with UND was horseshiat.
 
2013-10-09 07:09:53 PM  
o.onionstatic.com

I heard they changed their name already...
 
2013-10-09 07:21:26 PM  
the people who are crying about a sports team name should call themselves thinskins, farking pussies
 
2013-10-09 07:42:18 PM  
strength, courage, pride, and respect -- the same values we know guide Native Americans

Spend some time in Anadarko, Oklahoma, and then come back and tell me that.
 
2013-10-09 07:48:51 PM  
Would the Blackskins be acceptable?

How about the Pasty Taupeskings?
 
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