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2013-10-09 05:42:25 PM
She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.
 
2013-10-09 05:55:19 PM
Is her name River Tam?
 
2013-10-09 06:01:04 PM
He thought she was a dog?

No wait, that can't be it, because then she'd have been shot.
 
2013-10-09 06:02:03 PM
Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.
 
2013-10-09 06:02:43 PM
For the lulz? That would have been my reason.
 
2013-10-09 06:04:00 PM

basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.


...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.
 
2013-10-09 06:04:32 PM
I've seen what it does to an adult but what do tasers do to 8 year olds? They're already seven kinds of hyperactive, I'm guessing it might cause them to implode.
 
2013-10-09 06:04:40 PM

freetomato: Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.


/FTFY
//Almost universally the case
 
2013-10-09 06:04:53 PM

freetomato: Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.


Are you kidding? Maybe a suicidal 6-year-old can blame their parents, but by 8 it's clearly their own fault.
 
2013-10-09 06:05:05 PM
Actually sounds like a tazin may have been the right course of action.
 
2013-10-09 06:05:18 PM

freetomato: Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.


On that, I'd agree. The fact that 3 cops had to show up because an 8-year-old was threatening suicide, and the response from the parents was that she was "acting out", kind of sheds a dysfunctional light on that relationship.
 
2013-10-09 06:05:24 PM
For parents like that, it's never their fault.
 
2013-10-09 06:05:32 PM

FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


this

otherwise known as the 'pussyfication' of our police
 
2013-10-09 06:05:47 PM

freetomato: Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.


Yeah. I love their line about how much damage could she have done with a little 4.5" paring knife.

On another note, I bet that babysitter never answers their calls again.
 
2013-10-09 06:06:18 PM
What the hell did you want him to do?

Also

Parents of the child, who was at home with a babysitter at the time of the incident, said the officer should be disciplined for using excessive force.
"Tasers are for grown adults, not 8-year-old girls," the child's father, Bobby Jones, told the Argus Leader newspaper. "They say it was for her own safety, but there is no justification for that."
The girl's mother, Dawn Stenstrom, described the knife as "a little paring knife."
Stenstrom added that her daughter has never gotten so out of control as to require physical restraint. The girl was not injured by the Taser, but "she was in pain the whole night," according to her mother.
"How much harm could she have done?" Stenstrom asked.
The girl's father said his daughter had merely "acted out ... Her acting out got her tased."


For real? If she would have done something to herself the it would have been "WHY DIDNT THEY DO SOMTHING FOR MUH BABY!!!!!"
 
2013-10-09 06:07:27 PM
Suicidal with a knife. Sounds like the textbook case for using a taser.
 
2013-10-09 06:07:28 PM
Seriously if you can't handle an 8 year old with out having to resort to a taser your in the wrong line of work, knife or no knife.


I do however realize in these day of people suing a cop for looking at them the wrong way they had to be cautious.
 
2013-10-09 06:07:31 PM
Obviously she wasn't displaying the apropriate level of fear.
 
2013-10-09 06:07:48 PM
Punk teenagers should be tased, well, just because. Little fookers have no fear of authority anymore until you start throwing punches. Then all of a sudden they're full of apologies and lamenting for their actions.
 
2013-10-09 06:08:15 PM
Sounds like he administered shock therapy which implies that he was practicing medicine without a license!
 
2013-10-09 06:08:38 PM
Photo of the girl with her father:
www.karenmeetscelebrities.com
 
2013-10-09 06:08:43 PM
I'm fine with this.
 
2013-10-09 06:09:12 PM
"The girl's father said his daughter had merely "acted out ... Her acting out got her tased.""

I actually agree with that level of violence directed at people "acting out."
 
2013-10-09 06:10:23 PM

freetomato: Her parents sound like they are part of the problem with that child.


That's what I thought. The cop may have not handled the situation appropriately, but if the kid was indeed threatening suicide, it makes me wonder just what the hell has been happening to her (an eight year old) to push her that far.
 
2013-10-09 06:11:03 PM

FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


I'm pretty sure there aren't very many of those situations now or in the past. And if it was so easy why didn't the babysitter handle it.

and read the article again, he took out his when she stop pointing the knife at him and pointed it back at her chest.

She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.
When one officer approached her, the girl turned the knife toward him. When he stopped, "she immediately put the knife back at her chest," the chief said.
That's when an officer deployed his Taser.
 
2013-10-09 06:11:42 PM
More 8 year olds need to be tasered.

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/zap a few of their dumbass parents too
 
2013-10-09 06:11:43 PM
I guess he should have let the crazy biatch kill herself or stab him or another officer? Maybe if the parents took better care of their child's mental health this would not have happened. She was released without any injury, and he quite possibly saved her life or someone else's, so good luck charging him with anything.
 
2013-10-09 06:11:52 PM

FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


Stop.  Look, the girl had a knife, was threatening herself, and was told the child had already stabbed herself in the leg.  Based on information they had, the kid was a threat to herself and others, and officers may have had to face a ticking clock.  So she was in pain for a night, probably the best way to teach her not to do that shiat again.

She'll get over it. 

Your right, maybe before the advent of tasers an adult would just walk over, get some scratches or get cut and pull the knife from her hands.  If the kid were serious, and lucky with a thrashing arm, maybe she'd have sliced a cop.  THAT's why a taser was used.

Threat was confirmed, kid was tased, and emergency personnel were on the scene and went straight to her.  Simplest, fastest way to take care of the situation with the least threat to life and limb.  Good on them.
 
2013-10-09 06:12:12 PM
"I don't care" said Pierre
"She can dance."
 
2013-10-09 06:12:59 PM
I get the reason why the policeman thought he had to incapacitate  her - especially if he thought the girl had already cut into her own leg and was going to kill herself (she didn't cut herself though! - why didn't he see that?)

I think the dumb part is how it escalated to the point where police were called.
 
2013-10-09 06:16:28 PM
Of course he did. He's a bully. That's what bullies do. If you're unable to take a paring knife away from a small girl without resorting to a taser, you are a worthless human being.
 
2013-10-09 06:18:46 PM
The sun will come out tomorrow.
 
2013-10-09 06:20:59 PM
"Tasers are for grown adults, not 8-year-old girls," the child's father, Bobby Jones, told the Argus Leader newspaper.

I agree completely - they should have tasered her parents.
 
2013-10-09 06:26:07 PM

FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


Before Tasers we would be having a post on nightstick usage.  Would you rather be tasered or beat with a baton?
 
2013-10-09 06:29:58 PM
was his good reason he was tired of being a peace officer?
 
2013-10-09 06:30:00 PM

2farknfunny: FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.

Before Tasers we would be having a post on nightstick usage.  Would you rather be tasered or beat with a baton?


Nah, he would have caught her with one of these

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-09 06:31:03 PM
Exactly why does an 8 yr old want to commit suicide?
Why does an 8 yr old know about it as an option in any situation?

/FTP
//hard!
 
2013-10-09 06:32:12 PM

ozzie_stu: (she didn't cut herself though! - why didn't he see that?)


Most likely the cop's story about the girl stabbing herself is an after-the-fact lie used to justify the Tasering.

Only question is if he was too stupid to imagine anyone would check for wounds, or if he was planning on stabbing her himself later.
 
2013-10-09 06:32:51 PM
She's going to someone a fine wife.

Let's pair her up with the 9 year old problem child from the other threads and see what adventures the little rapscallions can embark on.
 
2013-10-09 06:33:10 PM

untaken_name: Of course he did. He's a bully. That's what bullies do. If you're unable to take a paring knife away from a small girl without resorting to a taser, you are a worthless human being.



How long does it take to stab yourself when you already have the knife at your chest? If she had been serious, she could have done so before the cop took a single step.

The real worthless human beings here are the parents. They seem to think that an eight-year-old "acting out" (if that's what it really was) with a 4-1/2-inch knife is no big deal.
 
2013-10-09 06:36:44 PM

fnordfocus: ozzie_stu: (she didn't cut herself though! - why didn't he see that?)

Most likely the cop's story about the girl stabbing herself is an after-the-fact lie used to justify the Tasering.

Only question is if he was too stupid to imagine anyone would check for wounds, or if he was planning on stabbing her himself later.



Whether she had stabbed herself already or not is irrelevant. She was still holding a knife to her chest--or have the cops somehow brainwashed everyone involved into imagining a nonexistent knife?
 
2013-10-09 06:37:42 PM

fnordfocus: ozzie_stu: (she didn't cut herself though! - why didn't he see that?)

Most likely the cop's story about the girl stabbing herself is an after-the-fact lie used to justify the Tasering.

Only question is if he was too stupid to imagine anyone would check for wounds, or if he was planning on stabbing her himself later.


That was a stupid comment.

Her holding a knife to her chest was justification enough, he didn't have to make anything up. Plus the person who called 911 reported she had stabbed herself. So unless he lied and made up the whole 911 call and everything just to tase a random 8 year old, your comment is useless.
 
2013-10-09 06:39:28 PM

FormlessOne: basemetal: She was holding a 4.5-inch knife to her chest when officers arrived and refused to put it down.

Eight years old or not, that's a taserin.

...why? Can you imagine what we did with 8-year-olds before the advent of Tasers? Tasers aren't meant as an "Easy Button for cops", but as a tool so that cops don't have to shoot a violent, dangerous offender. Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


Because an 8 yo slashing with a knife can still send your ass to the hospital, possibly kill you.  I take it you've never seen what a kid can do with a knife in very short time.  That cop wants to go home at night, he wants to be able to work, he doesn't want tendon or nerve damage , he/she would like to stay healthy.  You stand there with a knife as an adult, they'll likely shoot your ass if you point it at them, as an 8 year old, they tased her.  If you don't understand that, you need to get out of your ivory tower once in a while.
 
2013-10-09 06:41:15 PM

FormlessOne: Read the article again,


Ok.

FormlessOne: and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.


I shouldn't have re-read. If I hadn't I wouldn't have seen this:

When one officer approached her, the girl turned the knife toward him. When he stopped, "she immediately put the knife back at her chest," the chief said.

And would have kept on agreeing with you. As it is, I'm more inclined to believe the cop was trying to stop a suicide instead of believing that he was saying to himself "I'm gonna fark me up a punk little girl. Disrespect mah authorita, will she?".
 
2013-10-09 06:41:18 PM
If the girl was holding a knife and the cop wanted to disarm her no matter what method he used he likely would have done some physical harm to her, even if it was just red marks on her arm from where he grabbed her.  I'm guessing if there was anything visible on her the parents would have been complaining about that too.  If she did try to injure the cop or herself when the cops moved in on her she probably would have been hurt worse than she was by the taser. It was a lose-lose situation for the cop.
 
2013-10-09 06:48:12 PM
Okey mom if it was just a little paring knife then why the hell did you call the cops???

Using blue to do the parenting for you?
 
2013-10-09 06:49:19 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Whether she had stabbed herself already or not is irrelevant. She was still holding a knife to her chest--or have the cops somehow brainwashed everyone involved into imagining a nonexistent knife?


He filled out a report that said she stabbed herself.

The medical evidence contradicts this.

I see no reason to believe anything else the Officer said.
 
2013-10-09 06:49:58 PM
Glad the cop saved the girl's life, and there were no lasting effects...now if they could just get her away from her "parents" maybe she'll stand a chance in life...

/BTW...suicidal 8-year-olds...is that a thing now?  WTF???
 
2013-10-09 06:53:00 PM
LOCAL PARENTS OUTRAGED COPS DID NOTHING TO PREVENT 8-YEAR OLD DAUGHTER FROM KILLING HERSELF
"It's the job of the police to protect citizens, even if it's from themselves.  She was just a little girl.  They should have tasered her or something."
 
2013-10-09 06:56:43 PM
FormlessOne:  Read the article again, and realize that the cop tased her because an 8-year-old pointed a knife at him. It had nothing to do with her pointing the knife at herself.

I know this has been addressed, but it's worth reiterating just because of your insistence on rereading the article.  Oh, and looking at you too, inner ted.

FTFA: When one officer approached her, the girl turned the knife toward him. When he stopped, "she immediately put the knife back at her chest," the chief said.

That's when an officer deployed his Taser.
 
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