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2013-10-09 05:12:08 PM
Walter White is on the Middletown Township Council?
 
2013-10-09 06:04:07 PM
Be interesting to see where this goes once the ACLU gets ahold of it.
 
2013-10-09 06:09:23 PM
Township Council has adopted an ordinance banning aggressive begging.
 
2013-10-09 06:11:23 PM
Panhandlers can go fark a rusty cheese grater.
 
2013-10-09 06:12:41 PM
"Your assigned location even has a roof!"

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2013-10-09 06:19:36 PM
Whenever I see a bum heading toward me, I beat them to the punch by asking them for change before they ask me. No, I don't have any gotdam "extra" change. Last time we hit a show in Detroit, we gave each panhandler a Marguerite. All were pleased with the handout.
 
2013-10-09 06:21:01 PM
" and solicitation in exchange for a service,"

Cool, they banned advertising! That is a bold move.
 
2013-10-09 06:22:17 PM
blogs-images.forbes.com


What ya gonna do when the hobo's come for you!
 
2013-10-09 06:23:18 PM
I don't have a problem with panhandling. It's the people who stand on corners (sometimes on all four so there's no escape), holding white binders, trying to get you to give money to their cause du jour. They act all buddy-buddy until they realize you aren't stopping, then yell after you about how much of a selfish ass you are.

fark permits. Lemme just shoot 'em.
 
2013-10-09 06:32:27 PM

fusillade762: Be interesting to see where this goes once the ACLU gets ahold of it.


Down is where it's going because the ordinance is unconstitutional.  Conduct criminalized as aggressive begging here may pass muster because putting someone in fear of harm or intimidating them into handing over money is already a crime.  But making them come in, show ID and have a warrant check in order to be allowed to solicit donations from people in public places is not going to fly.
 
2013-10-09 06:32:54 PM
I feel for those who are desperate, I really do, but panhandlers are a nuisance, and some of them are really aggressive. One job I had my office overlooked a popular intersection and the guys would work shifts. A great many of them are scammers or junkies with a bullshiat sob story and quite a few make reasonably good money. IMO if someone can walk up and down a section of sidewalk holdin a sign 5 days a week they can get a job. At least get a broom or some gloves and clean up a section of the sidewalk. I'd toss a few bucks to a bum who was doing a little something like that in return. Doesn't take much skill to pick up trash.
 
2013-10-09 06:35:05 PM
This is nothing new. Municipal governments can't be arsed to do their frikken' jobs and draw employment to the cities, provide affordable housing, deal with mental health/crime issues or really give two flying f*cks about anything that doesn't directly benefit themselves and end up with beggars and various other unwanteds. Constituents don't like seeing the product of said government's failures ("it's and inconveeeenience! Can't someone DO something about all these dirty poors!) and just tossing them in jail is legally questionable. Solution? Make them get a license they can't afford or even have the presence of mind to apply for in many cases. Now they have to leave or the city has recourse to fine them. Too many unpaid fines? Off to jail with you.

See? All fixed.

Well... until someone comes along and points out how illegal all that is. Then there is a big expensive court battle until the laws get thrown out and the cycle starts all over again.

Don't worry though... slowly but surely... if ya'll keep trying real hard... these laws will continue to stand up to challenges and soon we'll be able to just execute all those dirty grubby poor people.
 
2013-10-09 06:38:24 PM

4tehsnowflakes: fusillade762: Be interesting to see where this goes once the ACLU gets ahold of it.

Down is where it's going because the ordinance is unconstitutional.  Conduct criminalized as aggressive begging here may pass muster because putting someone in fear of harm or intimidating them into handing over money is already a crime.  But making them come in, show ID and have a warrant check in order to be allowed to solicit donations from people in public places is not going to fly.


Yep. It's just another beautification project. Hide your hobos! A small step toward the criminalisation of homelessness.
 
2013-10-09 07:04:01 PM

Eps05: criminalisation of homelessness


They can't act bootstrappy if they are in the lockup.
 
2013-10-09 07:04:34 PM

Russ1642: Panhandlers can go fark a rusty cheese grater.


you got yours right?
 
2013-10-09 07:05:27 PM

untaken_name: " and solicitation in exchange for a service,"

Cool, they banned advertising! That is a bold move.


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2013-10-09 07:06:00 PM

Smock Pot: I don't have a problem with panhandling. It's the people who stand on corners (sometimes on all four so there's no escape), holding white binders, trying to get you to give money to their cause du jour. They act all buddy-buddy until they realize you aren't stopping, then yell after you about how much of a selfish ass you are.

fark permits. Lemme just shoot 'em.


Turn around. Walk into their personal space. Take binder.
 
2013-10-09 07:09:02 PM

Eps05: 4tehsnowflakes: fusillade762: Be interesting to see where this goes once the ACLU gets ahold of it.

Down is where it's going because the ordinance is unconstitutional.  Conduct criminalized as aggressive begging here may pass muster because putting someone in fear of harm or intimidating them into handing over money is already a crime.  But making them come in, show ID and have a warrant check in order to be allowed to solicit donations from people in public places is not going to fly.

Yep. It's just another beautification project. Hide your hobos! A small step toward the criminalisation of homelessness.


A problem that should not even exist in a nation as rich as ours.
 
2013-10-09 07:10:58 PM
I brought one of those Latter Day Saints freaks to the edge of tears and questioning his own faith.

That'll teach you to f*ck with me when I'm trying to get to the bar. Shouldn't be walking around in rough neighborhoods after dark dressed like that anyway.
 
2013-10-09 07:20:01 PM
According to the township's salary list website, the lowest salary for a cop there is over $100,000. That's before overtime. The fines for begging top out at $1000. Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-10-09 07:22:10 PM
fark it. Civil disobedience = 3 hots and a cot.
 
2013-10-09 07:34:43 PM
www.comedycentral.com

I live and work in areas where you can hardly walk a block without being asked for change, and the smell of piss is everywhere. It's mind blowing to me that there are so many homeless in LA or in the US for that matter.

Recently, homeless people have been disappearing in large numbers in downtown LA. It's freaky. One day out of nowhere, a corner that has been home (and bathroom) to 10-20 homeless people for years is suddenly empty and spotless, and the homeless don't return. It seems like there is some sort of "assisted relocating" going on.
 
2013-10-09 07:52:12 PM
I was on my way to my car and a person followed me and asked me (for money) three or four times.

Alms for an ex-leper?

archive.cadetstuff.org
 
2013-10-09 07:52:32 PM

here to help: This is nothing new. Municipal governments can't be arsed to do their frikken' jobs and draw employment to the cities, provide affordable housing, deal with mental health/crime issues or really give two flying f*cks about anything that doesn't directly benefit themselves and end up with beggars and various other unwanteds. Constituents don't like seeing the product of said government's failures ("it's and inconveeeenience! Can't someone DO something about all these dirty poors!) and just tossing them in jail is legally questionable. Solution? Make them get a license they can't afford or even have the presence of mind to apply for in many cases. Now they have to leave or the city has recourse to fine them. Too many unpaid fines? Off to jail with you.

See? All fixed.

Well... until someone comes along and points out how illegal all that is. Then there is a big expensive court battle until the laws get thrown out and the cycle starts all over again.

Don't worry though... slowly but surely... if ya'll keep trying real hard... these laws will continue to stand up to challenges and soon we'll be able to just execute all those dirty grubby poor people.


Most of them wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.
 
2013-10-09 08:24:45 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Eps05: 4tehsnowflakes: fusillade762: Be interesting to see where this goes once the ACLU gets ahold of it.

Down is where it's going because the ordinance is unconstitutional.  Conduct criminalized as aggressive begging here may pass muster because putting someone in fear of harm or intimidating them into handing over money is already a crime.  But making them come in, show ID and have a warrant check in order to be allowed to solicit donations from people in public places is not going to fly.

Yep. It's just another beautification project. Hide your hobos! A small step toward the criminalisation of homelessness.

A problem that should not even exist in a nation as rich as ours.


While in theory that may be true, the fact is that once you make it too easy to survive unemployed it attracts more and more people who are simply lazy. Some homeless have mental problems, many are unemployable for one reason or another. Many are addicts and will piss away whatever you give them on money or booze. It isn't a trivial problem to solve and isn't something that can be fixed by just throwing money at it.
 
2013-10-09 08:26:14 PM
Oddly enough, the area that most of the problems occur in is one that the state of NJ has turned into a dumping ground for all kinds of interesting people. The fine quality seasonal lodging establishments now stay open all year & accept state checks and vouchers for everyone from the folks in actual need of assistance to the recently release prisoners. The county used to give folks bus tickets to Atlantic City until the process made the light of day. It gets even more fun when you realize that the state moved some of these people into this area to help "balance" things.

Think Wildwood, NJ and then think carnies. Now, those are the respectable people. There's a heck of a market for heroin in the area, just look at the police reports if you've got doubts. Imagine what Atlantic city would be like without casinos....
 
2013-10-09 08:46:27 PM

CBob: Oddly enough, the area that most of the problems occur in is one that the state of NJ has turned into a dumping ground for all kinds of interesting people. The fine quality seasonal lodging establishments now stay open all year & accept state checks and vouchers for everyone from the folks in actual need of assistance to the recently release prisoners. The county used to give folks bus tickets to Atlantic City until the process made the light of day. It gets even more fun when you realize that the state moved some of these people into this area to help "balance" things.

Think Wildwood, NJ and then think carnies. Now, those are the respectable people. There's a heck of a market for heroin in the area, just look at the police reports if you've got doubts. Imagine what Atlantic city would be like without casinos....


Camped at a campground in the area last year and the campsite basically was a homeless shelter for families who lost their homes. The kids there liked my dogs so we had a lot of play time, but damn, I've been camping for many years and have not seen it that bad as I did there.
 
2013-10-09 08:55:34 PM

ReapTheChaos: Most of them wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.


You know because you offered them a shiny nickel to spend 20 hours picking the corn bits out of your septic tank, right? Those lazy bastards.

Your feeble minded teabag talking points are teh fail. Please kill yourself.
 
2013-10-09 09:07:19 PM
I just got back from Vegas, and there the farkwits handing out cards to strip clubs are a pain in the butt.  I had one lunge at me and he damn near ended up on the ground.  I'm surprised they aren't taken out on a regular basis by soccer moms who took personal defense the week before.

The Vacation Club people are almost as bad.
 
2013-10-09 09:13:42 PM

here to help: ReapTheChaos: Most of them wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.

You know because you offered them a shiny nickel to spend 20 hours picking the corn bits out of your septic tank, right? Those lazy bastards.

Your feeble minded teabag talking points are teh fail. Please kill yourself.


Well, what is your proposed solution? Note that hurling insults at people who's attitude you disagree with does not really do much to solve the problem.
 
2013-10-09 09:15:45 PM
Just give them a place where they can inject as much heroin as they want free of charge. The problem will quickly fix itself.
 
2013-10-09 09:41:58 PM

here to help: ReapTheChaos: Most of them wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.

You know because you offered them a shiny nickel to spend 20 hours picking the corn bits out of your septic tank, right? Those lazy bastards.

Your feeble minded teabag talking points are teh fail. Please kill yourself.


This may be difficult for your little mind to comprehend, but a lot of them aren't even homeless. It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging. They can easily bring in 15-20+ dollars an hour standing on a street corner or canvasing a convenience store parking lot.

Now before you go full retard, I'm not saying this applies to all homeless people, but the ones you see actively panhandling are often making enough money at it that they wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.
 
2013-10-09 09:51:51 PM

James10952001: Well, what is your proposed solution? Note that hurling insults at people who's attitude you disagree with does not really do much to solve the problem.


If you bothered reading my Boobies you'd get an idea of where I think we should start. Sh*tting all over them and throwing them in jail is not it.

ReapTheChaos: It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging.


Shown by whom? The "fact" spewing gnome that lives up your butt? If you are going to make such broad claims at least cite them.

Sorry, Fox news opinion pieces don't count.

I was out there, dude. Have you been out there? If not shut your ignorant hole because there is NO way you could possibly understand the hurtles you face once you get stuck in that cycle.

And no I was not an addict or lazy or any of your hateful poor shaming bullsh*t. People like you who spread this type of right wing derp about the poor ARE the problem.
 
2013-10-09 10:13:56 PM

ReapTheChaos: here to help: ReapTheChaos: Most of them wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.

You know because you offered them a shiny nickel to spend 20 hours picking the corn bits out of your septic tank, right? Those lazy bastards.

Your feeble minded teabag talking points are teh fail. Please kill yourself.

This may be difficult for your little mind to comprehend, but a lot of them aren't even homeless. It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging. They can easily bring in 15-20+ dollars an hour standing on a street corner or canvasing a convenience store parking lot.

Now before you go full retard, I'm not saying this applies to all homeless people, but the ones you see actively panhandling are often making enough money at it that they wouldn't take a job if you offered it to them.


I see guys at Penn station in NYC that have to pull in a couple of bens a day just hitting our trains by going through the aisles saying they can't make it to Newark. Once I told this one guy he had to be more diverse with his scam as he hits our train every night at the same time. Got a laugh from everyone in the train car. Yes, I understand that many are truly homeless and need help.

/has seen a thousand scams on the streets of Manhattan
//don't get me started on the two guys who switch the wheelchair on 34th and 7th.
///one of them throws racial slurs all day long while blocking people traffic
 
2013-10-09 10:23:13 PM
I treat these leaches on society as I would a streetlight or a post office box. It's there, I don't want to walk into it but it doesn't deserve my attention. Living in a downtown of a "homeless friendly" city has jaded me. Eye contact or not you don't deserve one red cent of my hard earned money. And that goes double for those douche canoes that try to shake my hand with a clipboard. Legalize whatever- I'm not a registers voter. Suck on that hippy.
 
2013-10-09 10:43:36 PM
At least some of the clipboard wavers have the decency to seem ashamed if you call them on how annoying they are. Had one approach me in Baltimore last week: "Hello, would you like to sign a petition to save the Bay?"  Responding: "Nope! I love the Bay, but hate being accosted by strangers on the street" at least made her blush and look away while stammering an "Oh... s.. sorry".
 
2013-10-09 10:52:03 PM

Smock Pot: I don't have a problem with panhandling. It's the people who stand on corners (sometimes on all four so there's no escape), holding white binders, trying to get you to give money to their cause du jour. They act all buddy-buddy until they realize you aren't stopping, then yell after you about how much of a selfish ass you are.

fark permits. Lemme just shoot 'em.


Sorry, that would require a permit.
 
2013-10-09 10:57:16 PM

here to help: James10952001: Well, what is your proposed solution? Note that hurling insults at people who's attitude you disagree with does not really do much to solve the problem.

If you bothered reading my Boobies you'd get an idea of where I think we should start. Sh*tting all over them and throwing them in jail is not it.

ReapTheChaos: It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging.

Shown by whom? The "fact" spewing gnome that lives up your butt? If you are going to make such broad claims at least cite them.

Sorry, Fox news opinion pieces don't count.

I was out there, dude. Have you been out there? If not shut your ignorant hole because there is NO way you could possibly understand the hurtles you face once you get stuck in that cycle.

And no I was not an addict or lazy or any of your hateful poor shaming bullsh*t. People like you who spread this type of right wing derp about the poor ARE the problem.


Are you even capable of making an intelligent point or are insults all you have going for you? My guess is no, so I'll simply add you to the ignore list.
 
2013-10-09 11:06:54 PM

ReapTheChaos: here to help: James10952001: Well, what is your proposed solution? Note that hurling insults at people who's attitude you disagree with does not really do much to solve the problem.

If you bothered reading my Boobies you'd get an idea of where I think we should start. Sh*tting all over them and throwing them in jail is not it.

ReapTheChaos: It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging.

Shown by whom? The "fact" spewing gnome that lives up your butt? If you are going to make such broad claims at least cite them.

Sorry, Fox news opinion pieces don't count.

I was out there, dude. Have you been out there? If not shut your ignorant hole because there is NO way you could possibly understand the hurtles you face once you get stuck in that cycle.

And no I was not an addict or lazy or any of your hateful poor shaming bullsh*t. People like you who spread this type of right wing derp about the poor ARE the problem.

Are you even capable of making an intelligent point or are insults all you have going for you? My guess is no, so I'll simply add you to the ignore list.


Maybe that's why they were stuck in the homeless panhandling cycle. Not a lot of places want to hire someone who is bitter and thinks the whole world owes them something.

And no I'm not a conservative, nor do I like the Tea party, but I'm not hyper-liberal either.
 
2013-10-09 11:25:47 PM

HowiPepper: Smock Pot: I don't have a problem with panhandling. It's the people who stand on corners (sometimes on all four so there's no escape), holding white binders, trying to get you to give money to their cause du jour. They act all buddy-buddy until they realize you aren't stopping, then yell after you about how much of a selfish ass you are.

fark permits. Lemme just shoot 'em.

Sorry, that would require a permit.


New keyboard, your newsletter, cut of jib, etc.
 
2013-10-10 12:55:16 AM
James10952001: ...If someone can walk up and down a section of sidewalk holdin a sign 5 days a week they can get a job...

Yes just "get" a job. My problem with people who say this is that they are often privileged people who actually can "just get a job," usually because of having been handed most of those jobs. On the other hand, in the real world, just getting a job can be fairly difficult regardless of qualifications or work experience, especially when you cannot afford to relocate to some city filled with pretentious twits that have the time at "work" to look at and complain about beggars, and furthermore, even get the privilege to work by a god-damned window in the first place.
 
2013-10-10 01:00:34 AM

redrumten: [www.comedycentral.com image 194x155]

...Recently, homeless people have been disappearing in large numbers in downtown LA. It's freaky...


Where do you think your organ donations actually come from, anyway?
 
2013-10-10 07:04:01 AM

ReapTheChaos: so I'll simply add you to the ignore list.


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Seriously, I've heard enough from selfish assholes like you on the subject, The funny thing is... you want them off the streets? You want them to be productive members of society? Taking more away from them isn't going to do that. It HAS been shown that if you give the worst drunken hobos or addicts a safe, stable place to live and give them their booze or drugs in an environment where they can be monitored/provide medical assistance they not only stop begging and stirring up sh*t on the streets draining public resources. MANY of them become much healthier, cut down or quit their vices, are more eager and able to find work (although they still get treated like crap because of their past by people like you), their mental health improves... and guess what? They are FAR less expensive to maintain than if they were roaming around on the streets left to fend for themselves... even if they don't change at all. That's right, by letting them drink or poke themselves as much as the want, provide free food, shelter and medical services you, the taxpayer (if you do indeed pay taxes you brave patriot you) SAVE money. That's because one homeless costs tens if not HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars a year in emergency, legal and social services... and that's just the monetary damage. What it does to well being of our society is much worse.

Will people abuse such systems? Yes. But those who would are much rarer than right wing derp farmers would have you believe. Just because YOU would take advantage of every situation in the most lecherous way possible doesn't mean real human beings would.
 
2013-10-10 07:13:44 AM

James10952001: Maybe that's why they were stuck in the homeless panhandling cycle. Not a lot of places want to hire someone who is bitter and thinks the whole world owes them something.


I was a teen running from a brutal childhood to the big city to find work in the middle of a recession with no money, education or skills. I worked every chance I got and busked (not panhandled) in between. Sometimes I'd work a ten hour shift in dish pits or stock floors for min. wage and was so hungry I'd go busk for another 8 hours just to make a couple bucks for a street vendor hotdog. Once the economy got better and I had more job experience and friends/contacts in the city I was never out of work nor people who loved me.

Oh and you know what all my bootsrappiness got me? Completely crippled and I'm literally $100 away from being right back out there again. So if I seem a little bitter... well you can go suck all of the cocks. All of them!
 
2013-10-10 09:08:00 AM
Will people abuse such systems? Yes. But those who would are much rarer than right wing derp farmers would have you believe. Just because YOU would take advantage of every situation in the most lecherous way possible doesn't mean real human beings would.

The problem is, the population of "street people" and the population of "homeless" aren't the same thing.  Fair degree of overlap, but not the same.  Any sort of program that you put together to help the mentally ill/addicted portion of them would have no effect on the grifters and those with the true "bum" mentality.   I suspect that those comprise a distressingly large portion of the "street people" crowd.

It might be a small sample size, but I've seen it myself.  Old black guy living under a bridge, got a 'job' cleaning up a friend's nearby bar after closing.  It turned out that he was a master bluesman from New Orleans, could play all the James Brown songs, etc.  So my friend got a piano, and let him do a show one afternoon a week.  Gave him a room in his renovated rooming house, new clothes, cleaned him up, etc.   Things were going well, until the weather broke for the spring- then that guy was right back out underneath that bridge.   You really can't change someone unless its something they truly want.
 
2013-10-10 09:46:42 AM

htomc: It might be a small sample size, but I've seen it myself. Old black guy living under a bridge, got a 'job' cleaning up a friend's nearby bar after closing. It turned out that he was a master bluesman from New Orleans, could play all the James Brown songs, etc. So my friend got a piano, and let him do a show one afternoon a week. Gave him a room in his renovated rooming house, new clothes, cleaned him up, etc. Things were going well, until the weather broke for the spring- then that guy was right back out underneath that bridge. You really can't change someone unless its something they truly want.


Sounds like some mental illness was in play there. However some people do prefer to live that life because if you can handle it it is far less restrictive than being a "norm". It's like in the old days for cowboys. They just lived where they laid down their bundle, hunted their own food, picked up odd jobs without worry about the taxman or bylaw freaks and that was fine. Now they'd be called vagrants. Modern society can be extremely stressful and some people just can't or don't want to participate in it. If they aren't robbing anyone and they truly are happy living that way I say let them be. It is a free country isn't it? Oh wait... it's not?

Anyway, some people cannot be saved. Some people truly are lazy and selfish. It's not worth trying to force them into anything. It just ends up costing more in the long run. Give them a decent place to stay and enough money/food to survive in relative comfort and tell them to stay the f*ck out of every one else's way. If they can't handle THAT well then lock 'em up, shoot them into the sun, whatever because they are just assholes.

It costs WAY more, in many terms, to deprive people who need it and are willing to step up just to punish the assholes. It's the dragnet approach and it doesn't friggen' work. Take a couple bil from the military contractors and help these people and society will be far better off. Less crime, less mental illness, less violence, less broken families, etc. We have very little to lose and everything to gain.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:33 PM

here to help: James10952001: Maybe that's why they were stuck in the homeless panhandling cycle. Not a lot of places want to hire someone who is bitter and thinks the whole world owes them something.

I was a teen running from a brutal childhood to the big city to find work in the middle of a recession with no money, education or skills. I worked every chance I got and busked (not panhandled) in between. Sometimes I'd work a ten hour shift in dish pits or stock floors for min. wage and was so hungry I'd go busk for another 8 hours just to make a couple bucks for a street vendor hotdog. Once the economy got better and I had more job experience and friends/contacts in the city I was never out of work nor people who loved me.

Oh and you know what all my bootsrappiness got me? Completely crippled and I'm literally $100 away from being right back out there again. So if I seem a little bitter... well you can go suck all of the cocks. All of them!


See that's what I'm talking about, hurling insults, it's a textbook example of a victim mentality. Sorry your upbringing sucked but that isn't the fault of anyone who was not directly involved in it. The world doesn't owe you anything, your problems are yours to deal with and lots of other people have just as many problems. Life isn't fair, nobody ever said it was. That doesn't mean you can't succeed as many have but you'll have to find a way to deal with your shiat and leave the bitter confrontational attitude at home.

As for jobs, few of us were simply handed jobs. Most of us asked for an application, filled it out, interviewed and got hired at a crappy minimum wage job and went on from there. The vast majority of the population has jobs, and it's not like we barged in with a gun and demanded to be hired.

I'll buy someone food, I'll give them a ride, I'll put a couple gallons of gas in their car, but I will never just hand out money. It's pretty easy to tell at that point who is really in need and who is full of shiat.
 
2013-10-10 12:54:13 PM

here to help: James10952001: Well, what is your proposed solution? Note that hurling insults at people who's attitude you disagree with does not really do much to solve the problem.

If you bothered reading my Boobies you'd get an idea of where I think we should start. Sh*tting all over them and throwing them in jail is not it.

ReapTheChaos: It's been shown many times that a lot of these people actually make a decent living begging.

Shown by whom? The "fact" spewing gnome that lives up your butt? If you are going to make such broad claims at least cite them.

Sorry, Fox news opinion pieces don't count.

I was out there, dude. Have you been out there? If not shut your ignorant hole because there is NO way you could possibly understand the hurtles you face once you get stuck in that cycle.

And no I was not an addict or lazy or any of your hateful poor shaming bullsh*t. People like you who spread this type of right wing derp about the poor ARE the problem.


How about personal experience? Watching the guys take turns begging at the exit from the viaduct downtown? Being asked for money to buy food, offering them food I had in my pack an being turned down? How about the people I've known who did panhandle for drug money? Are those valid data points? For the record I have never watched Faux news.
 
2013-10-10 01:10:23 PM

James10952001: See that's what I'm talking about, hurling insults, it's a textbook example of a victim mentality. Sorry your upbringing sucked but that isn't the fault of anyone who was not directly involved in it. The world doesn't owe you anything, your problems are yours to deal with and lots of other people have just as many problems. Life isn't fair, nobody ever said it was. That doesn't mean you can't succeed as many have but you'll have to find a way to deal with your shiat and leave the bitter confrontational attitude at home.

As for jobs, few of us were simply handed jobs. Most of us asked for an application, filled it out, interviewed and got hired at a crappy minimum wage job and went on from there. The vast majority of the population has jobs, and it's not like we barged in with a gun and demanded to be hired.

I'll buy someone food, I'll give them a ride, I'll put a couple gallons of gas in their car, but I will never just hand out money. It's pretty easy to tell at that point who is really in need and who is full of shiat.



You and your ilk deserve my insults. We've been polite and shoveled every ounce of bullsh*t we've been given into our hungry little mouths with a smile in the hopes of being allowed into the sunshine club and have been kicked in the teeth at every turn for our efforts. The time for being polite just for a chance to suck your dick is over. You said if we just went along and played by the rules and let ya'll deal with the things we "don't understand because you know better" then everything would come up roses. Instead you bloody well stole it all and ruined everything for everyone... EVEN YOUR OWN KIND!

F*ck you. I have my own plans now and it doesn't involve being a bootlicker to you and your condescending bullsh*t. I've done nothing but work and do the "right" thing my entire life in the face of impossible odds and still got f*cked. And you know what? It'll work a hell of a lot better than anything the schools, the politicians, the cops or the "job creators" have put forth because. You got nuthin' except greed and tiny dicked authoritarianism. Your time is over. The people have been pushed too far this time and you can't shame us into complacency anymore.

And when I'm the one barking orders and busting heads it won't be those filthy hobos licking my boots and bleeding on the ground. It'll be all the sh*theads who have done nothing but steal, lie and abuse us all for the past 30 years. Get your head on straight or we may just come for you for being a sycophant big corp enabler/sympathizer.

Seriously, the guillotine is hungry my friend and if you don't change your ways it will call for thee.
 
2013-10-10 01:23:40 PM

James10952001: Are those valid data points?


No. They are not. You do not know why those people are there. You don't know what led them to that point. You don't know sh*t. You want to know? You want have REAL knowledge into what's going on out there? Give up everything you own and live out there for a couple years. You'll learn. And you'll STILL have the advantage to drag yourself out because you likely had the benefit of a proper support structure as a child and were given the opportunities to educate yourself to get to the point you are today.

You don't know jack balls about what those people go through just because they had the AUDACITY to ask you for some money while you were driving through the "bad" part of town on your way from your job that you got because the government paid for your education and your family gave you shelter so you could take advantage of that education so you could use the connections and skills you got from those experiences to get your foot in the door to get the jobs to get the house and get the car.

You take everything you have and have been given for granted. Instead of being thankful, understanding, forgiving and compassionate you have chosen to judge those who were not afforded the luxuries, good health and opportunities you have.

You think this country is fair? Everyone has an equal opportunity? That all you gotta do is be work hard and things will be alright? Well you are living a dream, my friend. A dream that has been fed to you by your masters. Pray you do not fall out of grace of those masters because they will put you right out there with those you hold so much disgust and disdain for in a FLASH if you so much as question them or are deemed no longer useful.

I'd wish you the fate of living in the gutter just to humble you but even as angry as your ignorant self absorbed nonsense makes me even that is too cruel a fate. Just give thanks for what you have and if you cannot be compassionate at least STFU about things you could not possibly comprehend.
 
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