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(Yahoo)   Unpaid interns are fair game for sexual harassment, court rules. With illustrative picture   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 93
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2013-10-09 02:23:41 PM
Hmm, then she should be able to press criminal charges for assault and civil charges on the individual afterwards.
 
2013-10-09 02:24:52 PM
Time to hire some interns!
 
2013-10-09 02:43:57 PM
So I'm free to sexually harass anyone who isn't employed at the same company where I work? Huh... That's all, just... huh.
 
2013-10-09 02:51:29 PM

Honest Bender: So I'm free to sexually harass anyone who isn't employed at the same company where I work? Huh... That's all, just... huh.


netweavr: Hmm, then she should be able to press criminal charges for assault and civil charges on the individual afterwards.


So long as you're not touching them (could be simple assault depending on jurisdiction), preventing them from leaving (they call it "kidnapping" in some places), or sexually assaulting someone (like sticking your hand in their shirt/pants for express sexual purpose - go right ahead. And once a court clears you, tell me how to do it. (Not really - consent, people. Always get consent before doing anything other than shaking a proffered hand.)

And a lawyer should correct me if I'm wrong, but: 1) sexual harassment is a civil charge; 2) which means she could still file criminal charges (sexual assault/battery, kidnapping, etc) without jeopardy attached, correct?
 
2013-10-09 02:53:55 PM

Honest Bender: So I'm free to sexually harass anyone who isn't employed at the same company where I work? Huh... That's all, just... huh.


Well, if you don't value your job I suppose. Just because the court doesn't recognize an intern's standing as an employee to bring civil charges against the company for sexual harassment (based on the wording of the law, which I feel like was the judge's point) doesn't mean your bosses feel the same way.
 
2013-10-09 03:03:04 PM
That's what you get, WANG.

Your name is WANG. I can say it and laugh all I wanted. You work for free WANG. See how no comma changes that, WANG?!?!
 
2013-10-09 03:05:34 PM

Honest Bender: So I'm free to sexually harass anyone who isn't employed at the same company where I work? Huh... That's all, just... huh.


Sure. Go right ahead:

Wang has since moved back to China. According to the ruling and a lawyer for Phoenix Satellite, Liu was terminated from his job once the company investigated the allegations.

Go ahead and let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'll whistle and catcall goodbye ;-)
 
2013-10-09 03:27:12 PM
Dr Dreidel:

And a lawyer should correct me if I'm wrong, but: 1) sexual harassment is a civil charge; 2) which means she could still file criminal charges (sexual assault/battery, kidnapping, etc) without jeopardy attached, correct?

It might be a statute of limitations issue now to charge criminally.

/not law talking guy
 
2013-10-09 03:52:01 PM
Well, they're already getting farked, so...
 
2013-10-09 03:52:03 PM
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2013-10-09 03:52:09 PM
Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.
 
2013-10-09 03:52:34 PM
More and more like legalized slavery every day.
 
2013-10-09 03:53:18 PM
Cold_Sassy: Unpaid Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

As someone who was a paid intern back in college, it wasn't a terrible thing.
 
2013-10-09 03:53:57 PM
Interns get to do a paid position for no pay while being treated like garbage.  This is not new.

It sucks and needs to change, but it isn't new.
 
2013-10-09 03:55:04 PM

Cold_Sassy: Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.


ikanreed: More and more like legalized slavery every day.


But the real question is: Is internship like legalized slavery?
 
2013-10-09 03:55:22 PM
Giggidy Giggidy Giggidy.... Oh Yeah!
 
2013-10-09 03:56:59 PM

ikanreed: More and more like legalized slavery every day.


in that it's a great experience?
 
2013-10-09 03:57:01 PM
So, if they are paid of the sexual harassment does that make them a whore?
 
2013-10-09 03:59:18 PM
I'd just like to point out that I don't think the picture in the article is "sexual harrassment". There is no indication that the young woman alking by has any idea that these guys are checking her out. Nothing wrong with looking at a little co-worker ass. But, as Jerry Seinfeld explained so eloquently years ago, "Its like looking at the sun. You can't just stare at it. Gotta get in and get out."
 
2013-10-09 03:59:54 PM
So the lesson is, if you're going to intern somewhere, insist that they pay you one penny, in a company check, which you keep as evidence. Bingo, you're a paid employee.
 
2013-10-09 04:01:52 PM
You know who else like wang?

www.carlspackler.com
 
2013-10-09 04:03:21 PM

Cold_Sassy: Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.


Yep.

School plus two jobs (one to survive, one to pay for school) PLUS a mandatory 20 hours per week unpaid equals super fun.
 
2013-10-09 04:08:54 PM
You want wash Wang, or watch Wang wash Wang?
 
2013-10-09 04:13:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: So long as you're not touching them (could be simple assault depending on jurisdiction), preventing them from leaving (they call it "kidnapping" in some places), or sexually assaulting someone (like sticking your hand in their shirt/pants for express sexual purpose - go right ahead. And once a court clears you, tell me how to do it. (Not really - consent, people. Always get consent before doing anything other than shaking a proffered hand.)


If I can't do none of that to an unpaid intern, what is the use of me going to work?

What ever happen to the good old days when you could tackle the secretary, hold her down while Smith removed her panties, then take turns parading around the office with them on your head?
 
2013-10-09 04:15:01 PM
Interns will henceforth each be granted 2/5 of a vote
 
2013-10-09 04:16:39 PM
So, you're free to tell an intern that giving you a beej is a prerequisite to permanent employment, since they aren't getting paid?
 
2013-10-09 04:17:47 PM

megarian: Cold_Sassy: Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

Yep.

School plus two jobs (one to survive, one to pay for school) PLUS a mandatory 20 hours per week unpaid equals super fun.


I am getting my second bachelor degree and right now all I have left to graduate is to finish two internships; one in broadcast journalism and one in written journalism.

The vast majority of journalism internships are unpaid AND require experience, references and clips of prior work.  It is absurd.  Just trying to get my foot in the door when I'm qualified very well for a student is very difficult.  The idea that you should have prior work experience to do an internship needs to die.  What you should have is a basic knowledge of the subject matter, a desire to learn and professionalism.  Anyone with those three qualities would be a valuable intern.
 
2013-10-09 04:19:25 PM
With a name like Wang; I think they knew what they were getting when they hired him.


/ I keed
 
2013-10-09 04:19:51 PM
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2013-10-09 04:22:42 PM

Klippoklondike: megarian: Cold_Sassy: Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

Yep.

School plus two jobs (one to survive, one to pay for school) PLUS a mandatory 20 hours per week unpaid equals super fun.

I am getting my second bachelor degree and right now all I have left to graduate is to finish two internships; one in broadcast journalism and one in written journalism.

The vast majority of journalism internships are unpaid AND require experience, references and clips of prior work.  It is absurd.  Just trying to get my foot in the door when I'm qualified very well for a student is very difficult.  The idea that you should have prior work experience to do an internship needs to die.  What you should have is a basic knowledge of the subject matter, a desire to learn and professionalism.  Anyone with those three qualities would be a valuable intern.


And by the sounds of things "no gag reflex" is about to be added to the list of requirements.
 
2013-10-09 04:24:04 PM
This is a totally great ruling that can't end badly at all for anybody.
 
2013-10-09 04:24:35 PM
FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY I'M FREE AT LAST!

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I guess we all owe somebody an apology right about now.
 
2013-10-09 04:25:07 PM
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2013-10-09 04:29:46 PM

megarian: Cold_Sassy: Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

Yep.

School plus two jobs (one to survive, one to pay for school) PLUS a mandatory 20 hours per week unpaid equals super fun.


A friend was looking at some sort of medical technician school, which after a full course load also had a mandatory "you pay to work" internship.  F*ck that.
 
2013-10-09 04:31:46 PM
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Sorry sugar tits.... get back to internin'!
 
2013-10-09 04:38:33 PM
This is better than the news in Japan that employers could legally work you to death.
 
2013-10-09 04:39:23 PM

just interns?  I thought any broad that came into my place of business was fair game...


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2013-10-09 04:41:11 PM

Milk D: ikanreed: More and more like legalized slavery every day.

in that it's a great experience?


For the people who don't have to pay, yes.
 
2013-10-09 04:41:33 PM

ikanreed: Cold_Sassy: Unpaid Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

As someone who was a paid intern back in college, it wasn't a terrible thing.


Never having been an intern myself, but aren't college interns technically "paid" by being able to earn college credits during their internship?  That's something, isn't it (legitimate question, not trying to be sarcastic)?
 
2013-10-09 04:43:10 PM
If you can't find paid work in the field as a student, it's probably because there's a glut of labour available, in which case you're probably wasting your time trying to get into the field.
 
2013-10-09 04:43:33 PM
I did two years of internship during university. It was excellent experience but a) I was paid well enough to graduate without any significant debt, and b) sadly I was never sexually harassed by a female superior.

I'm not sure how I feel about this case. I think that an unpaid intern should be able to sue the employer, honestly. I bet she had to sign some paperwork for the position giving up a lot of rights to her non-employer. OTOH she can go after the d-bag with civil and/or criminal action so justice will be more-or-less served. Plus he's already been fired so she has that going for her.
 
2013-10-09 04:43:59 PM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: ikanreed: Cold_Sassy: Unpaid Internship is legalized slavery.  It needs to go away.

As someone who was a paid intern back in college, it wasn't a terrible thing.

Never having been an intern myself, but aren't college interns technically "paid" by being able to earn college credits during their internship?  That's something, isn't it (legitimate question, not trying to be sarcastic)?


I got no credit, but some skills and some money.  You know, like a job, but with a short duration, and nothing critical placed on my shoulders.
 
2013-10-09 04:45:10 PM

Theaetetus: So, you're free to tell an intern that giving you a beej is a prerequisite to permanent employment, since they aren't getting paid?


Sounds like it. Also sounds like interviews are about to get a WHOLE lot better around here.

/Not Really
//SadTrombone.wav
 
2013-10-09 04:46:06 PM

Honest Bender: So I'm free to sexually harass anyone who isn't employed at the same company where I work? Huh... That's all, just... huh.


Uh... yeah. Otherwise every cute waitress/bartender/flight attendant/cashier would be rolling in dough from suing all the scumbag customers they have to deal with. If you actually pinch their ass thats assault if they want to take it that far, but if you say "you can keep the change if you meet me outside on your next break and let me titty fark you" to your cashier at Office Max, they really dont have much recourse.

But the guy said it loud enough for me (a manager) to overhear, i threw him out and told him if i saw him in the store again he would meet my foot up his ass on my next break. But if management is spineless, and it is most places, feel free.

I would recommend against it in restaurants though, actual harassment is one of the few things that will actually get your food farked with, and/or maybe roughed up by the dishwashers when you leave...
 
2013-10-09 04:47:07 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-09 04:48:41 PM
Or just get a paid internship....problem solved.
 
2013-10-09 04:50:01 PM

tricycleracer: [i.imgur.com image 610x458]


nope if anything those two are checking out her shoes or her handbag or the guy she's talking to...
 
2013-10-09 04:50:23 PM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: Never having been an intern myself, but aren't college interns technically "paid" by being able to earn college credits during their internship? That's something, isn't it (legitimate question, not trying to be sarcastic)?


It's worse than that. In many cases (perhaps all, but I don't know for certain), you're actually paying tuition for the privilege of getting stiffed.
 
2013-10-09 04:51:19 PM

SeesWhatYouDidThere: aren't college interns technically "paid" by being able to earn college credits during their internship?  That's something, isn't it (legitimate question, not trying to be sarcastic)?


1) Not all unpaid interns are in college
2) Not all unpaid interns in college are getting any school credit
3) College students are already paying the school to be able to earn college credits, they shouldn't also have to pay a third-party
4) We already have rules about what is legally allowed in an unpaid internship, and many companies are breaking those rules
 
2013-10-09 04:53:16 PM

ongbok: And by the sounds of things "no gag reflex" is about to be added to the list of requirements.


Only for Murdoch-owned corporations.
 
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