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(USA Today)   Have you ever found yourself watching the Poinsettia Bowl and thought, wouldn't it be great if teams with losing records in the NFL got to play in the postseason too? NFL set to expand playoffs   (usatoday.com) divider line 61
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2013-10-09 07:40:15 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Haven't read the rest of the thread but isn't the NFL hell-bent on reducing player injuries? Yeah...more games, more hits, more injuries.


It makes more sense when you understand that they say, "We want to reduce player injuries," but what they mean is, "We want to increase revenue."

It's a common translation error found in NFL-speak. Other known examples are the NFL saying, "We want to protect the integrity of the game," but  meaning, "We want to increase revenue." Or the NFL saying, "We want to ensure that our former players are adequately compensated with a fair pension system," but meaning, "We want to increase revenue."

It's a tricky language, to be sure.
 
2013-10-09 07:50:57 PM  

ongbok: dletter: chapman: The bye week should be the losers of the conference championship games playing for third and fourth place.  In order to give an incentive, the first through 4th teams would get a supplemental round of draft picks between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.  One pick each, in order of final ranking (champs go first and so on).  Something that would benefit teams that win consistently, but not so much as to really screw with the ability of the terrible teams rebuilding.

They used to have that game (pre super-bowl era)....

http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/The_Playoff_Bowl.htm

Vince Lombardi would laugh at you suggesting to bring that back.... although you would have to give some sort of incentive, like the draft incentive you gave.... maybe the winner gets the 28th spot in the draft vs. the 29th, instead of that going strictly by record.  I don't know if that would be enough of an incentive though.

I'd rather see that game than the probowl.


Oh, most certainly, I'm guessing people would rather see a 49ers/Colts rematch game than the Pro Bowl.  But, one of the main reasons why the Pro Bowl sucks is because it is a neutered game where nobody wants to get hurt because the game is essentially meaningless (and the league puts in rules to that effect for the game).   Even with a draft spot swap up for grabs.... other than something maybe minor like that, this "3rd place" game would also be fairly meaningless... this isn't the Olympics, nobody is getting a bronze medal here... 3rd place doesn't matter to NFL teams.
 
2013-10-09 08:36:36 PM  

exick: If I found myself watching the Poinsettia Bowl, I've probably lost the will to live and won't be too worried about what the NFL does.


This past year I was watching it because I was

AliceBToklasLives: vernonFL: Not to threadjack and I love football, but the NFL should be out of business. First of all they are a non profit that doesnt pay taxes? How the fark is that??? Then you have the whole controversy over the head injuries, which really made them complicit in brain trauma. They profited off the players and refused to admit the sport is dangerous, when its obvious to anyone that it is dangerous and they had scientific proof that it
was causing brain injuries and ruining players lives. Very sad.

The league is a non-profit but the teams are for-profit enterprises.  It's basically a legal cartel - the goal of the umbrella organization is not to make a profit, but to ensure that conditions are such that member organizations can make a profit.  The 'legal' part of it is useful - the teams do pay taxes, or at least they 'pay taxes' at the rate of any company that hires good accountants.

/of course, that's not the issue at stake, which is expanding the playoffs
//My 2 cents?  I'm happy to have more college bowl games; adding another crap bowl in Florida does nothing to diminish the prestige of the Rose Bowl
///But - leave the NFL playoffs as is.  Diluting the pro game does diminish the prestige of making the playoffs.


Don't forget that the "business" is non-profit and pays taxes at the rate of a business that makes no profit--zero.

But the employees of the business, for example the executive managers, owners, players, etc., are paid what it takes to make the businesses "non-profit" and pay taxes at the much lower "personal" income tax rate.

So..., makes lots of money off of making a bunch of poor inner city youths overnight millionaires at the expense of them destroying their bodies, and take the profit with you, laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2013-10-09 09:32:33 PM  
Heh, an 8-8 record might win the NFC East this year, maybe even 7-9.
 
2013-10-09 10:14:33 PM  
Not reading the entire thread, so this may have been already pointed out.

LOSING TEAMS WILL NOT GET IN WITH EXPANSION.

Non division winning teams with winning records will. The only reason the Seahawks got in was their divsion was super farking horrible and they won it.
 
2013-10-09 10:39:04 PM  
Not gonna happen.  This is brought up every few years, and every few years the owners remind themselves that at some point, more and more teams with losing records will get into the playoffs and degrade it.  It won't happen.
 
2013-10-09 10:46:40 PM  

BKITU: The 2010 Seahawks thought it was great. The Saints weren't as pleased.


"Win your division, go to the playoffs" is, and has always been the rule.  As it should be.
 
2013-10-10 12:50:37 AM  

Fade2black: Not gonna happen.  This is brought up every few years, and every few years the owners remind themselves that at some point, more and more teams with losing records will get into the playoffs and degrade it.  It won't happen.


Unless we consider .500 a "losing record' (which some do)... you have to go all the way back to 1990 (Dallas 7-9 in 7th) to get a year where putting the #7 seed's in the playoffs would have added a 7-9 team.

12 8-8 teams since 1990 would have made the playoff's in 7th place.   I guess you have to decide if getting in pretty good 10-6 or better teams that were left out and would have gotten in (NE 11-5 in 2008, and 5 10-6 teams since 2000) in 7th place is worth the 8-8 teams you let in other years.
 
2013-10-10 09:09:42 AM  
No more playoff teams. No more expansion. There aren't enough quality QBs to go around right now. How is adding more crappy QBs going to make the product better?
 
2013-10-10 10:40:22 AM  

vernonFL: Not to threadjack and I love football, but the NFL should be out of business. First of all they are a non profit that doesnt pay taxes? How the fark is that???


The NFL is the governing body of the franchises that make up the league. It itself does not make any money as all of it's licensing and contracts pay out to the franchises. The teams pay the taxes as they are the ones making the income. Since the teams fund the league office at a cost it is the very definition of a non-profit.

If you are thinking NFL franchises make billions in revenue and don't pay taxes on it ask yourself if that is ever possible without Uncle Sam getting his slice.
 
2013-10-11 12:18:26 AM  

dletter: this isn't the Olympics, nobody is getting a bronze medal here... 3rd place doesn't matter to NFL teams.


My solution to that? They DO get a bronze trophy. Medal count for teams > SB rings. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Eli Manning is a great QB because he has two rings, but people will continue to ignore his stats because the postseason is so much black-and-white BS in terms of wins or losses.

BTW, people DO care about the Pro Bowl; this is like the reverse of Sharknado, where everyone on the internet was talking about it but it got no ratings. Everyone on the internet sh*ts on the Pro Bowl, but it still gets higher ratings than any other sports' playoffs (except the NBA Finals sometimes).

the1hatman: If you are thinking NFL franchises make billions in revenue and don't pay taxes on it ask yourself if that is ever possible without Uncle Sam getting his slice.


Yes, it is very possible. Happens all the time.

Fade2black: Not gonna happen.  This is brought up every few years, and every few years the owners remind themselves that at some point, more and more teams with losing records will get into the playoffs and degrade it.  It won't happen.


Owners care little about that. They do care that with every other team that gets added, that's more ways their income gets split up.
 
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