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(USA Today)   Have you ever found yourself watching the Poinsettia Bowl and thought, wouldn't it be great if teams with losing records in the NFL got to play in the postseason too? NFL set to expand playoffs   (usatoday.com) divider line 61
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2013-10-09 02:26:51 PM
The 2010 Seahawks thought it was great. The Saints weren't as pleased.
 
2013-10-09 02:32:16 PM
So like hockey?
 
2013-10-09 02:42:01 PM
If I found myself watching the Poinsettia Bowl, I've probably lost the will to live and won't be too worried about what the NFL does.
 
2013-10-09 02:55:48 PM
The extra playoff teams must come from newly established teams in England, Mexico and Canada.
 
2013-10-09 03:01:20 PM
Weren't they just biatching about having too many preseason games and how it risks more players to injury?

How is this different?
 
2013-10-09 03:03:30 PM
The sponsorships should be golden.

The Mike's Tires Bowel!
 
2013-10-09 03:07:00 PM
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2013-10-09 03:08:35 PM
Not to threadjack and I love football, but the NFL should be out of business. First of all they are a non profit that doesnt pay taxes? How the fark is that??? Then you have the whole controversy over the head injuries, which really made them complicit in brain trauma. They profited off the players and refused to admit the sport is dangerous, when its obvious to anyone that it is dangerous and they had scientific proof that it
was causing brain injuries and ruining players lives. Very sad.
 
2013-10-09 03:21:02 PM
I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere) and then went back to 3 divisions per conference (6 6-team divisions).  Then you are less likely to have 1 team out of a bunch of 4 be under .500.

Barring that though... we are at 4 division champs, and 3 wild-cards... I'd say at least make it so that at least in the first weekend "wild card" round, that while the seeds are determined by "seeding", the home team is determined by record (only for the first weekend though, after that, home team by seeds)... so, winning your division guarantees you a playoff spot, but, not necessarily a home game, unless you can win after the first weekend's game.

So, for that 2010 season under these rules, you'd have had the first weekend:
http://shrpsports.com/nfl/stand/2010finalcnf.htm
NY Giants @ Chicago
Philadelphia @ Green Bay (GB beat Philly week 1)
Seattle @ New Orleans
San Diego @ Pittsburgh
Indianapolis @ NY Jets
KC @ Baltimore
 
2013-10-09 03:25:06 PM

dletter: Then you are less likely to have 1 team out of a bunch of 4 be under .500.


Kind of word fumbled that.... Then you are much less likely to have a division winner come from a bunch of 4 crappy teams and be .500 or less. (With 6 team divisions, you'd have 10 games in division.... so, with >50% of your games in division, someone is likely to "take charge" in the division play at least).
 
2013-10-09 03:28:43 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weren't they just biatching about having too many preseason games and how it risks more players to injury?

How is this different?


TV ratings
 
2013-10-09 03:36:21 PM
I'd much rather watch one extra playoff game than another farking preseason game.  Here's my solution: no preseason, make opening day July 5th, expand the playoffs by another eight games, and give the linemen tanks.

/It's the only way the NFL will survive.
 
2013-10-09 03:44:52 PM

dletter: I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere)


Then who will play in the CFL and arena leagues with the sudden influx of scrub players in the NFL?
 
2013-10-09 03:45:27 PM

PainInTheASP: I'd much rather watch one extra playoff game than another farking preseason game.  Here's my solution: no preseason, make opening day July 5th, expand the playoffs by another eight games, and give the linemen tanks.

/It's the only way the NFL will survive.


Mandatory HGH and steroid use. Then push the envelope with cybernetic implants.
 
2013-10-09 03:51:28 PM

dletter: I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere)


Would probably be in a football-mad state with a decent population size.  But what does that leave?  Birmingham?  Oklahoma City?
 
2013-10-09 03:53:39 PM
Keep the playoffs as-is.

Realign the league to 4 8-team divisions.  In the NFC, combine the East and South, combine the North and West.  In the AFC, combine the East and North, combine the South and West.

Every season you play everyone in your new division once (7 games), your in-division arch-rival a second time (e.g. Redskins and Cowboys would have a home-and-home but play everyone else in the division just once) (1 game), and then the entirety of another division once each (8 games) -- that's your 16-game schedule.  The pairings between divisions rotate every year on a 3-year rotation with the home team alternating between rotations, so everything is on a six-year cycle.

Post season: The "conferences" are fluid as each side of the Super Bowl bracket consists of two divisions that played each other that year.  The division winners get (1) and (2) seeds, and byes to go with it.  The next 4 are the next 4 best teams from those two divisions.  Everyone has already played each other in this set up so you really have the best of the best going to the playoffs and lots of rematches heading into the Super Bowl.  The Super Bowl itself will be guaranteed to be two teams that haven't faced off that season.

This is insane and precisely why nobody (except me) would like it.
 
2013-10-09 03:59:53 PM

ariseatex: dletter: I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere)

Would probably be in a football-mad state with a decent population size.  But what does that leave?  Birmingham?  Oklahoma City?


Milwaukee? I'm from wisconsin, so I'm mostly kidding but a tosa kid can dream (Bring back the Meno

Probably end up being a second LA team

or Mexico City, San Antonio, Las Vegas, or, hell i don't know why not somewhere strange like Tokyo

or how about Brooklyn!? Brooklyn Dodgers sounds good and  The city could finally have a team :)

/not drunk
//yet
 
2013-10-09 04:02:06 PM

vernonFL: Not to threadjack and I love football, but the NFL should be out of business. First of all they are a non profit that doesnt pay taxes? How the fark is that??? Then you have the whole controversy over the head injuries, which really made them complicit in brain trauma. They profited off the players and refused to admit the sport is dangerous, when its obvious to anyone that it is dangerous and they had scientific proof that it
was causing brain injuries and ruining players lives. Very sad.


While Major League Baseball has Antitrust exemption status, and the NBA's as fixed as pro wrestling. Your point?
 
2013-10-09 04:03:38 PM

dletter: I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere) and then went back to 3 divisions per conference (6 6-team divisions).  Then you are less likely to have 1 team out of a bunch of 4 be under .500.

Barring that though... we are at 4 division champs, and 3 wild-cards... I'd say at least make it so that at least in the first weekend "wild card" round, that while the seeds are determined by "seeding", the home team is determined by record (only for the first weekend though, after that, home team by seeds)... so, winning your division guarantees you a playoff spot, but, not necessarily a home game, unless you can win after the first weekend's game.

So, for that 2010 season under these rules, you'd have had the first weekend:
http://shrpsports.com/nfl/stand/2010finalcnf.htm
NY Giants @ Chicago
Philadelphia @ Green Bay (GB beat Philly week 1)
Seattle @ New Orleans
San Diego @ Pittsburgh
Indianapolis @ NY Jets
KC @ Baltimore


Doubtful Toronto will ever get a team. The Skydome/Rogers Centre is going to go to natural grass for the Blue Jays in 2016/17...which will be hard enough to keep alive in the summer let alone the dead of winter. The Argos will be moving out once that change is made. And forget the province or city chipping in for a new stadium...they are farking broke right now.

Also, the crowds have been less-than-stellar to craptastic for the Bills games (granted it is the Bills) but it puts paid to the argument that people in Toronto will pay for NFL regardless of the quality of the product on the field.
 
2013-10-09 04:05:17 PM
The NFL is already struggling financially in some of the markets they are in.  There's no way they expand until they figure out how to put Buffalo, Tampa, Jacksonville and Oakland in better financial positions.
 
2013-10-09 04:06:03 PM
This aint basketball.
 
2013-10-09 04:07:10 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weren't they just biatching about having too many preseason games and how it risks more players to injury?

How is this different?


It's actually even worse. You think players get banged up in the preseason, how much do you think they're going to play through in a playoff game?
 
2013-10-09 04:24:38 PM
How would 7 teams in the playoffs work?
 
2013-10-09 04:24:43 PM
How does the thinking equate "Lets change from 12 playoff teams (11 playoff games) to 14 playoff teams (13 playoff games)" with "let's get rid of one week of preseason (16 games)"?

Its not like they're proposing to add another round of the playoffs.

The serious thing I see happening from this change would be less teams would be coasting the last week of the year. Only one team gets a first round bye, so there will be more competition for it compared to when two teams get the bye and one (or both) of them has already clinched that before they play in week 17.

As it is, week 17 is almost never used for fantasy football, because you don't know if star players are going to get benched resting up for the playoffs. Maybe this change would give me another week of fantasy competition.
 
2013-10-09 04:26:10 PM
The 2 conference, 8 division, 4 team structure is the right thing for the league. They want to go to 18 games for competitive reasons. The current schedules are imbalanced for teams within a division.

Right now each team plays:
6 games within the division
4 games against all teams in a paired "in-conference" division
4 games against all teams in a paired "out -of-conference" division
2 games against the other teams "in-conference" in the other two divisions which were ranked the same in the division

That's not so bad, but only 14 of 16 games are the same when comparing schedules for teams within the division.

If they went to 18 game regular season, they would have:
6 games within the division
8 games against all teams in *two* paired "in-conference" divisions
4 games against all teams in a paired "out -of-conference" division

This way the schedule is symmetrical and fair for all teams within a division. Some divisions may have weaker schedules than others, but that's not really the point.

It is the difference between the Patriots (12-4) facing the Ravens (10-6), Texans (12-4) and Broncos (13-3) vs the Bills (6-10) facing the Browns (5-11), Jaguars (2-14) and Chiefs (2-14).
 
2013-10-09 04:28:18 PM
I love the non-major bowls and I actually get annoyed at people who shiat on them. It's football - and more often than not - good football with good players that may be on your favorite NFL team soon.
 
2013-10-09 04:35:47 PM
Did someone disband the NFC East?
 
2013-10-09 04:38:29 PM
The difference of course being the difference between a 9-7 playoff team and an 8-8 non playoff (or even 7-9) in the NFL is no where near the same as the difference between a 6-6 college team in the Poinsetta Bowl and Alabama.

The parity in the NFL means expanding the playoffs just means you get a couple more teams who are not significantly less talented than the teams that make the playoffs. Why is that bad? More intriguing football games, otherwise known as nothing like the Poinsetta Bowl.
 
2013-10-09 04:39:09 PM
The Poinsettia Bowl is not a bad bowl  After 2007 there has been a ranked team playing in this bowl in all but 2 years.  The TCU (10-2)-Boise (12-0) Game was a very good game in which both of these teams were ranked higher than the teams playing in that year's Orange Bowl.

/And we got revenge a year later when it really counted.
 
2013-10-09 04:39:35 PM

machoprogrammer: How would 7 teams in the playoffs work?


In the first round:
Instead of 6 teams - #1 gets a bye, #2 gets a bye, #3 vs #6, #4 vs #5
It would be 7 teams - #1 gets a bye, #2 vs #7, #3 vs #6, #4 vs #5
 
2013-10-09 04:40:49 PM

machoprogrammer: How would 7 teams in the playoffs work?


I guess just one bye in the first round instead of two.

Or maybe they can do it like the weird-ass Big East basketball tournament: #7 plays #6.  Winner plays #5.  Winner of that game plays #4.  Then a standard 4-team playoff.
 
2013-10-09 04:42:15 PM
We don't need to expand the playoffs to get a team with a losing record in...we have the NFC East this year.
 
2013-10-09 04:43:21 PM
All this does is add 2 more games to "Wild Card Weekend" instead of giving a bye to the AFC & NFC #1 seed.  I'm all for it.   Plus, if it gets rid of the preseason, bonus.
What I'd really like is about 4 more regular season games, but, well, that's what, 128 more injuries?  12 more concussions? 6 more season ending surgeries?
 
2013-10-09 04:45:04 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Plus, if it gets rid of the preseason, bonus.


Meant to say gets rid of 1 week of preseason games.
And the poinsettia bowl is what I want to feed my cat for Christmas
 
2013-10-09 04:50:43 PM
The first Cowboys game I can remember is them getting pounded by the Bmore Colts in the 1966 Playoff Bowl.  Terrible as it was, I learned that any pro football is better than no pro football.
 
2013-10-09 04:58:04 PM

vernonFL: Not to threadjack and I love football, but the NFL should be out of business. First of all they are a non profit that doesnt pay taxes? How the fark is that??? Then you have the whole controversy over the head injuries, which really made them complicit in brain trauma. They profited off the players and refused to admit the sport is dangerous, when its obvious to anyone that it is dangerous and they had scientific proof that it
was causing brain injuries and ruining players lives. Very sad.


The league is a non-profit but the teams are for-profit enterprises.  It's basically a legal cartel - the goal of the umbrella organization is not to make a profit, but to ensure that conditions are such that member organizations can make a profit.  The 'legal' part of it is useful - the teams do pay taxes, or at least they 'pay taxes' at the rate of any company that hires good accountants.

/of course, that's not the issue at stake, which is expanding the playoffs
//My 2 cents?  I'm happy to have more college bowl games; adding another crap bowl in Florida does nothing to diminish the prestige of the Rose Bowl
///But - leave the NFL playoffs as is.  Diluting the pro game does diminish the prestige of making the playoffs.
 
2013-10-09 05:01:43 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weren't they just biatching about having too many preseason games and how it risks more players to injury?

How is this different?


I'm pretty sure the players were asking for extra compensation for those games and any games added to the regular season because of their increased risk of injury. Players on a team that makes the playoffs automatically get a playoff bonus from the league, so that takes care of the extra compensation because of the increased risk of injury.
 
2013-10-09 05:02:54 PM

ariseatex: dletter: I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere)

Would probably be in a football-mad state with a decent population size.  But what does that leave?  Birmingham?  Oklahoma City?


ok city won't need another team after they will steal the seahawks away.
/runs away
 
2013-10-09 05:12:14 PM

lecavalier: I love the non-major bowls and I actually get annoyed at people who shiat on them. It's football - and more often than not - good football with good players that may be on your favorite NFL team soon.


And put more of them on Christmas day and Christmas eve. I'm likely at my inlaws house. Football is something we can all agree on. I'm pretty sure I've caught every Christmas "Hawaii Bowl" for 5 years straight. I'd like to see football for 72 hours straight over the holidays.
 
2013-10-09 05:18:41 PM

Devo: And put more of them on Christmas day and Christmas eve.


That's f'd up. Making guys play in some crappy bowl game on Christmas. At least the NBA players get paid for it, although they do get some decent gift bags sometimes.
 
2013-10-09 05:19:10 PM

Devo: lecavalier: I love the non-major bowls and I actually get annoyed at people who shiat on them. It's football - and more often than not - good football with good players that may be on your favorite NFL team soon.

And put more of them on Christmas day and Christmas eve. I'm likely at my inlaws house. Football is something we can all agree on. I'm pretty sure I've caught every Christmas "Hawaii Bowl" for 5 years straight. I'd like to see football for 72 hours straight over the holidays.


Not going to happen. ESPN bought them all and there isn't enough time in those two days for them to air them all. So you are going to have to live with a bowl season starting in the first week of December and ending sometime in January.
 
2013-10-09 05:30:39 PM

ariseatex: dletter: I don't object to expanding to 7 teams per conference making the playoffs, although I'd rather they got the league up to 36 teams (London, Toronto, Los Angeles, and find a 4th spot somewhere)

Would probably be in a football-mad state with a decent population size.  But what does that leave?  Birmingham?  Oklahoma City?




Columbus, Ohio or San Antonio, Tx would be good choices.
 
2013-10-09 05:37:49 PM

paswa17: machoprogrammer: How would 7 teams in the playoffs work?

In the first round:
Instead of 6 teams - #1 gets a bye, #2 gets a bye, #3 vs #6, #4 vs #5
It would be 7 teams - #1 gets a bye, #2 vs #7, #3 vs #6, #4 vs #5


Super Chronic: machoprogrammer: How would 7 teams in the playoffs work?

I guess just one bye in the first round instead of two.


This... I keep seeing people ask that... like it is rocket-science to figure out how you'd go from 6 to 7 teams.

The other thing I liked about it is it enhances the #1 spot... now there is only ONE bye from playing in that first round.... be the best team, or play in the playoffs week 1.
 
2013-10-09 05:39:36 PM
The bye week should be the losers of the conference championship games playing for third and fourth place.  In order to give an incentive, the first through 4th teams would get a supplemental round of draft picks between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.  One pick each, in order of final ranking (champs go first and so on).  Something that would benefit teams that win consistently, but not so much as to really screw with the ability of the terrible teams rebuilding.
 
2013-10-09 05:45:32 PM

chapman: The bye week should be the losers of the conference championship games playing for third and fourth place.  In order to give an incentive, the first through 4th teams would get a supplemental round of draft picks between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.  One pick each, in order of final ranking (champs go first and so on).  Something that would benefit teams that win consistently, but not so much as to really screw with the ability of the terrible teams rebuilding.


They did try that back in the 1960's.  Link.
 
2013-10-09 05:46:22 PM

chapman: The bye week should be the losers of the conference championship games playing for third and fourth place.  In order to give an incentive, the first through 4th teams would get a supplemental round of draft picks between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.  One pick each, in order of final ranking (champs go first and so on).  Something that would benefit teams that win consistently, but not so much as to really screw with the ability of the terrible teams rebuilding.


They used to have that game (pre super-bowl era)....

http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/The_Playoff_Bowl.htm

Vince Lombardi would laugh at you suggesting to bring that back.... although you would have to give some sort of incentive, like the draft incentive you gave.... maybe the winner gets the 28th spot in the draft vs. the 29th, instead of that going strictly by record.  I don't know if that would be enough of an incentive though.
 
2013-10-09 05:51:03 PM

dletter: chapman: The bye week should be the losers of the conference championship games playing for third and fourth place.  In order to give an incentive, the first through 4th teams would get a supplemental round of draft picks between the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft.  One pick each, in order of final ranking (champs go first and so on).  Something that would benefit teams that win consistently, but not so much as to really screw with the ability of the terrible teams rebuilding.

They used to have that game (pre super-bowl era)....

http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/The_Playoff_Bowl.htm

Vince Lombardi would laugh at you suggesting to bring that back.... although you would have to give some sort of incentive, like the draft incentive you gave.... maybe the winner gets the 28th spot in the draft vs. the 29th, instead of that going strictly by record.  I don't know if that would be enough of an incentive though.


I'd rather see that game than the probowl.
 
2013-10-09 05:54:12 PM
Finally, the Cards can almost make the playoffs!
 
2013-10-09 07:10:37 PM
On the one hand, the NFL's paltry regular season compared to the other North American sports does justify a bigger postseason.

On the other hand, NOOO, GOD!  NO, GOD, PLEASE, NO!  NO!  NO!  NOOOOOOO!
 
2013-10-09 07:35:08 PM
Haven't read the rest of the thread but isn't the NFL hell-bent on reducing player injuries? Yeah...more games, more hits, more injuries.
 
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